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spk00: Good day and welcome to the Premise Financial Fourth Quarter Earnings Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star, then 2. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Matt Switzer, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.
spk04: Good morning, and thank you for joining us for Premise Financial Corp's 2021 Fourth Quarter Webcast and Conference Call. Before we begin, please note that many of our comments during this call will be forward-looking statements which involve risk and uncertainty. There are many factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from the anticipated results or other expectations expressed in the forward-looking statements. Factors include but are not limited to our ability to implement various strategic and growth initiatives, competitive pressures, economic and political conditions, interest rate fluctuations, regulatory changes, asset values, and other factors discussed in our recent filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our recently filed earnings release, which has been posted to the investor relations section of our corporate site, firmusbank.com. We undertake no obligation and specifically disclaim any obligation to update or revise forward-looking statements to reflect change assumptions, occurrence of unanticipated events, or changes to future operating results over time. In addition, Some of the financial measures that we may discuss this morning are non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of the non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures can be found in our earnings relief. I will now turn the call over to our President and Chief Executive Officer, Dennis Emmer.
spk03: Thank you, Matt, and thank you to all of you who have joined our call today or who will listen to it on the replay. I'm delighted to be on the call today with each of you to talk about some significant accomplishments in the current quarter and for the full year of 2021. As we sit here today, I'm just a few weeks away from having my second anniversary at the company. When I first joined the company, our vision was to create several engines for growth that could reliably and organically produce, could organically grow both sides of our balance sheet. Granted, we didn't have the multiples to even be hoping for M&A or anything strategic, and further, we probably shouldn't have considered it anyhow as we worked to strengthen our culture and our platform. But here we are two years later, and I'm not calling victory yet with two quarters of good loan growth, but I will tell you it feels different around here. Given the results and the outlook for our core bank, our lines of business, and our digital bank, I'm starting to see the vision come together where we can sustain mid-teen or better growth in the balance sheet and even faster growth in our earnings. It's taken a lot of time and investment to get here, but I feel so optimistic about the future direction of our operating results. Specifically about loan growth, we saw loans excluding PPP balances in the year at $2.26 billion. While this is up only 6 percent from the end of 2020, it does represent annualized growth rate of about 20 percent in the second half of the year. I'm hopeful that another couple quarters of growth at this level, and we can start redefining ourselves as the growth-oriented company we hope for. Right now, we have three reliable sources of loan growth. Our core commercial teams are producing and growing in our core markets around Richmond, the D.C. metro area, and the Hampton Roads area. At the same time, our Panacea Division and our brand-new Life Premium Finance Division are using streamlined technology to identify, underwrite, and close loans in select industries very rapidly. Both of these divisions operate nationally, and I believe they're both going to have an exceptional 2022 and produce results that look good not only on our balance sheet, but more importantly, on our bottom line. The expected loan growth is great news. but long-term, I'll tell you, we don't have enough excess liquidity on the balance sheet to be lazy about deposit growth. We could expect continued growth like we saw this year out of our core bank, but for us to fund our expected loan growth, we're going to need a faster source, and the real engine for this is our digital bank. The digital bank is intuitive and modern, and importantly, it has no geographic fence. Success in the digital bank does not require $10 billion of deposits and hundreds of thousands of customers. We estimate that just $100 million of deposits in this nationwide strategy will produce enough revenue and spread to completely break even. Obviously, we believe the strategy has more potential than that. We believe it will provide all the funding necessary to produce outsized margins on our loan growth and keep a steady source of funding on our balance sheet for time to come. Lastly, on the growth potential around here, and importantly, I would say that occasionally I slip back to my office when Matt isn't looking, and I make pro formas and pretend to be CFO again. I mean, I keep trying to understand and document the cost to acquire business and build a bank using these lines of business funded by digital strategies. The incremental costs to grow the bank like this are so different that many times I just don't believe what I'm calculating. And I say this right now because we're in the building stage, and I promise you that I have a gut check every time we have a new expense. These strategies confidently have paybacks that are short and significant. Matt and I are both M&A-oriented people. Our whole career has been that, and it's so easy in that environment to – have a strategy or a transaction and expect something to be accretive on day one. And I understand that this is not that, but I believe in what we're doing wholeheartedly and I believe the results that are possible in the short term and long term are significant. Two more items and I'll turn it back over to Matt. We pride ourselves on being innovative in our core values and maybe I would suppose not many banks have this word in their core values, but we have in our core values the word imaginative. There's a slide in our deck on Vibe, which is an app that we conceived totally in our bank and developed completely from beginning to end. Vibe essentially takes the few remaining activities that are thought to absolutely require a branch transaction, an in-branch transaction, and allows the customer to order the service directly to their home or office or current location normally inside of 30 minutes. We rolled this out in a limited way in Richmond in the fourth quarter. The pilot's three or four months old, and we've received very good feedback from customers. We've opened about $20 million of mostly new checking accounts, all from super regional banks. Being a community banker myself, I know that many community banks tout their customer service, their customer experience relative to the super regionals as the differentiating factor, the the fact that we'll move business from one bank to another. But usually that customer experience is so nuanced, the difference is so nuanced, it doesn't actually move business. I believe this ViBAP changes that for us and puts us in a competitive place with lots of new customers. Lastly, premise was like every other employer in 2021 in a very tight labor market. Staffing was tight and hard to come by. While we continued our normal recruiting efforts, we stepped out and did something different. In August, we launched something called Premise Works. This program focuses on single mothers who are looking for job training and life skills that can put them in a much better position to care for their family. Our first class had five wonderful ladies who dedicated themselves to learning all the skills necessary for a job in our bank. In return, we paid a competitive wage along with childcare and healthcare costs. This last week, all five of these ladies that came into the program graduated, and I am unquestionably sure that we will now have loyal employees here constantly talking about our company and the difference we've made. We absolutely know that we run a for-profit company, and we absolutely know what distinguishes us in the industry and builds market value. But I'm so proud of our staff for finding alternative solutions to problems that make our bank better and serve the community like we did with premise work. Be watching our social media and our website for content about this program and the success we've had in the near future if you're interested. All right, with that, I will turn it back to Matt for his report. Thanks, guys.
spk04: As a reminder, a full description of our fourth quarter and full year results can be found in our earnings release. and our earnings presentation, both of which can be found on our website as part of the 8K file of the SEC. Also, in addition, our previously announced transaction to exit our common ownership interest in Southern Trust Mortgage was completed late in the fourth quarter. The historical investment in SDM has been classified as a discontinued operation in prior period financials. Unless otherwise noted, my comments will refer to results from continuing operations. Earnings for the fourth quarter were $7.7 million or $0.31 per basic and diluted share versus $6.2 million or $0.25 per basic and diluted share in the third quarter. Total assets were $3.4 billion at December 31. Gross loans increased to $2.34 billion in Q4 from $2.31 billion in Q3 as strong core loan growth offset the decline in PPP balances, excluding PPP. Loan balances grew 4% linked quarter or approximately 16% annualized. Growth came from all parts of the organization in the fourth quarter, which was very encouraging and included robust growth from both Panacea and our new Life Premium Finance Division. We have a lot of momentum currently and are anticipating robust growth through 2022. Deposits decreased slightly to end the year to $2.76 billion. due to the seasonal decline in mortgage escrow-related deposits of approximately 125 million. Excluding that decline, we would have seen further core deposit growth. Non-interest-bearing deposits are 19.2 percent of total deposits at year-end and grew 20.3 percent for the year, while CDs have declined to 13 percent of total deposits. Foster deposits declined to 39 basis points in the fourth quarter from 45 basis points in Q3. While we continue to have excess cash on the balance sheet, we believe our momentum on the lending side will consume this liquidity in the near future and continue to prioritize core deposit growth. Credit quality remains solid with non-performing assets, less SBA guaranteed portions, decreasing 1.2 million in the fourth quarter. We also had net recoveries in the quarter of 18,000 for the fourth quarter with six basic points of net charge-offs for the year. Improvement in the operating environment led to a negative provision of $1.3 million and reduction in the allowance for credit losses to gross loans, excluding PPP, to 1.29 percent at December 31st from 1.40 percent at September 30th. Our reported margin was 3 percent for the fourth quarter, up 13 basis points linked quarter, excluding PPP effects. Coordinate interest margin increased 13 basis points to 2.79 percent in the fourth quarter. As noted above, we are excited to see loan growth materialize and fully expect operating leverage to continue to be meaningful as we deploy that liquidity. Excluding a gain from debt extinguishment this quarter and the effects of STM, which is now recorded in discontinued operations, non-interest income was largely flat quarter over quarter. Non-interest expense increased 1.7 million linked quarter, excluding the recovery and reserve for unfunded commitments in both Q3 and Q4. As we discussed in our earnings release and presentation, and as Dennis alluded to, much of the increase this quarter was tied to talent acquisition costs and getting new initiatives off the ground, particularly Life Premium Finance and Vibe. We expect much of those particular expenses to moderate in the first quarter. Also discussed in our earnings release and presentation, certain expenses related to our growth initiatives, including the new digital bank, Panacea, and Life Premium Finance, will increase in 2022. We've also disclosed our intention to consolidate branches in 2022 to offset some of these costs. We believe the net result will be a mid-single-digit growth rate in expenses this year versus 2021. To wrap up, we are excited by the momentum we have in the bank and the substantial upside we see from our strategic initiatives. We believe we are on the cusp of strong earnings growth, particularly as panacea and premium finance turn profitable this year and begin to generate substantial earnings growth after that. With that, operator, we can now open the line for questions.
spk00: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your hands up before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question comes from Casey Whitman with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead. Hey, thanks. Good morning.
spk03: Good morning.
spk01: All right, so maybe we start off. I think in the past you've talked about sort of a third of the growth coming from each of the lines of business. Is that expectation changed or is that still sort of how we should look at it?
spk04: I think that's still our expectation for this year, yes.
spk01: Okay. Okay. And can you remind us sort of where the yields are coming in from each of the lines between the Panacea Life Insurance product and just your commercial production? Is there a big, you know, variance in sort of how those are coming in this quarter?
spk04: So Life Premium Finance, the portfolio we ended the year with, which was obviously a I think the effective yield on that was about 3.5%. Now, that included one of the credits that had a pretty substantial fee associated with it that's amortizing and adding to that yield. Their production specialty on the variable rate products are probably in the 2.5, the 2.75 range. So, that effective yield trend down depending on how many fees they get associated with it. But that's kind of what they're putting on right now. And position as well as rates go up, which we all think they will. Yeah. And I think in the investor presentation for Panacea, their portfolio at the end of the year was weighted average in the low five, I believe. So depending on the mix of their production this year, that may come down a little bit, but still pretty good yield, especially with the consumer and the student loan refi pieces of it. In the core bank, I would say our production, our commercials, probably in the high threes. So we feel pretty good about how all those kind of fit together.
spk01: Okay. And so would your expectation then be for the core margin to continue to to expand here as you put on those loan growth, as you get rid of some cash, you know, minus forgetting about rate hikes for now?
spk04: Yes, absolutely.
spk03: Okay. I would also say, Casey, I'd add, you know, if you look at the combination of everything relative to where we think we'll be growing deposits, I mean, we see pretty clear pathways. Yes, the premium finance stuff is, especially the variable stuff is slightly below three. But when you put all of it together, relative to where we're growing the funding side, Matt and I see everything we need to sort of get to the margin that we think we want to operate the company at, which is probably somewhere around, somewhere a little south of three and a half percent, 325 to three and a half percent. So long term, we believe what we're doing definitely puts us in that in that area.
spk01: Okay. Congrats on all the growth. Let's . All right.
spk00: Again, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star then 1. Our next question comes from Brody Preston with Stevens, Inc. Please go ahead.
spk02: Hey, good morning, everyone. Hey, good morning. I wanted to start maybe on the digital bank. I appreciate y'all putting a target out there of $100 million in that, coming from that this year. I guess, you know, I guess I wanted to ask just what gives you confidence in that number? Why'd you pick, like, what's driving the $100 million dentistry?
spk03: There's a little bit of laughing in the room right now because Matt and I have gone back and forth and back and forth. You know, right now we're in the friends and family stage of this, and we're getting very close to the end of it. We're close enough that we are sort of lining up for real commercial opportunities just on the outside of this. You know, and two or three, just two or three opportunities here I know of are, you know, $13, $14 million. And again, it's all checking accounts. It's all low-cost deposits. I think over time, really what drives a digital bank, the technology and the seamless development an intuitive feel to it. All that's important. What really drives digital banks, I mean, we can't legitimately expect somebody in Sacramento or Santa Fe, New Mexico to choose our digital bank until they've heard about our brand. And so really, for us, we don't expect or even let ourselves hope for the explosive growth that would come along with that. Now, we're not abandoning that either, but right now, all we're looking for is you know, our first target is just to get enough deposits in here as fast as we can to pay for it. And that's the $100 million. I think, you know, Matt likes to say I overpromise. He skips the overdeliver. That's fine. But, you know, I think the goal here is that. I think that's our first goal. Pay for this and $100 million of deposits will do it. Got it. Okay. Which Which, honestly, is not much worse or much different than a standalone branch. If we were to go just to Raleigh-Durham or go to somewhere out in northern Virginia. So, okay, anyway. Matt, you got it?
spk02: Are you going to be rolling out... I guess, are you going to be rolling out Vibe as part of the digital banking effort at some point? Like, would you expect to kind of set up the ability to deploy Vibe in other markets if you reach, like, you know, say you got to $50 million in Raleigh-Durham, you know, through the digital bank effort? Would you set up, you know, the ability to kind of deliver those services via Vibe to those customers?
spk04: Yes, absolutely. So the Vibe with our legacy mobile bank offering, the Vibe functionality is actually in a separate app, but with the new digital offering, it will be embedded in the mobile banking offering. And we have the ability to turn it off and on. So in markets where we're raising deposits and we don't have the service available, we'll obviously turn it off. But to your point, We get enough momentum in a market, and we think that it would increase that momentum. The technology is designed that it's completely transportable. We can utilize it anywhere.
spk03: And low cost. I mean, you can, we could probably, I mean, we're just using Raleigh-Durham as an example, but, I mean, we could probably spend, you know, an extra $100,000 a year and have pretty much around the clock in-person customer service. And I think that's a distinguishing factor. I think that's more what a small business would want out of a digital bank. That's more what a high-end professional would want out of a digital bank. And so I think it's a distinguishing factor.
spk02: Got it. And then maybe just turn into the business lines. Thank you for breaking out the different expectations and where the balances are. Maybe if I could start on Panacea. You all have three commercial bankers now within that vertical. You've got a great support team to support the underwriting. How should we be thinking about your expectations for kind of commercial production for that team this year, kind of trying to set aside the student loan refis and the PRN?
spk03: Tyler, I think he's got a signed offer letter on another banker, and I know he's in the middle of recruiting another. I think Tyler would probably like to finish this year with 10 commercial bankers, if he can get Matt to agree. But, I mean, Tyler's bankers are coming on and producing almost within two weeks, so there's They're real fast to being break-even, and I think that's critical for Tyler to capture the value of his brand. That, I think, is what, if there's one thing, I mean, I like what we've done with the commercial bankers, and I like how we've sort of moved into that space, but the one thing about Panacea is that the brand, the sort of by doctors, for doctors, the fact that two distinguished medical professionals are involved running this business, makes a difference. And I think really in the third and fourth quarter, their brand and their image started catching on. And I think as we roll through the year, it will not just be hand-to-hand combat with commercial bankers that's producing business here. I think the brand will actually start paying off as well. But, you know, Tyler is going to continue to grow financially. his commercial banker rank. I know there's another product or service or two that he wants to add, and we're working on that right now. That'll augment that. And I think, what did you put in there for growth?
spk04: We set expectations of $125 to $150 million for the year. And we also disclosed in the presentation the current makeup of the portfolio. Now, understanding that student revised won't really... We're doing some, but it won't become a real meaningful product until the deferral ends in May. So that'll, you know, you're only getting really half a year of that activity. And then the PRN loans, the consumer loans are relatively small balance loans. So I would expect a lot of the growth in 22 to skew more towards commercial just because those are larger credits.
spk02: Got it. And then on the premium finance loans, just a few questions on this. I'll just try to wrap it into one. One, could you help me understand what the commitments are? I think it was like you got 13.6 outstanding, but 69 million in commitments. Help me better understand what that means. And then two, Are all of these loans, you know, kind of like a 12-month or prime, 12-month LIBOR prime plus kind of product? And is there going to be much in the way of provision associated with these loans just given the low loss rates?
spk04: So the reason the committed balance is so much higher is generally the, like, so for these loans right now, this is the first year's premium. The premiums broken up into three to five year installments. So you don't actually take down the whole life insurance premium all at one time. So the total amount of premium that we would finance if the borrower elects to finance all five of those payments would be that $69 million. But so far it's just the first year amount of $13.6 million. Got it. These are primarily prime minus yields. So, that's kind of two and a half, the 200 floors that I've referenced earlier is prime minus. And then from a reserve standpoint, we're assuming very little in the way of provisioning for these credits. To the extent that life insurance cash balance or cash surrender value isn't securing the full amount the borrower is supplying, or a letter of credit or marketable securities or cash, other cash sources to secure the rest of it. So we're very, very secured on these credits.
spk03: Got it. That's going to probably kill me here, but the $69 million or so of committed balances on that, I mean, the pull-through rate's not 100%, but it's also not 20%. I mean, you could probably... you know, the 69 million, you could probably expect that, you know, a good 50 million of that is going to materialize on the balance sheet. So, I mean, there's some built-in growth here for the next few years. What Matt's going to probably reach over and hit me for is while we only closed these five loans, well, while we closed these five loans and these five loans had balances, we closed some other loans as well that had no outstandings, and I think As of right now, we're probably up to about maybe a little over $150 million of committed balances. Some of those have funded since the end of the year. Some of those have closed but not funded. But when we start talking about why we're excited about this and why we believe, kind of looking out how Matt and I are so confident that loan growth is going to materialize on the balance sheet, that's part of the reason why.
spk02: Got it. Do you know what loan segment the life insurance premium finance loans went into? What bucket, Matt?
spk04: I think most of it actually went into commercial, C&I, and then the rest of it went into consumer.
spk02: Okay. Okay. Okay. And maybe just, Dennis, in the press release, you noted, you know, you noted that you are expecting to find a wholly owned solution to mortgage shortly. And you put out, you know, as little as a billion would add 20 to 25 basis points to the ROA and 200 bps to the ROTC. You know, I'm assuming you wouldn't, you know, you wouldn't say shortly if you didn't have something planned. And so, One, can you give us a sense for how soon you plan to announce something in the mortgage space? Two, if that's currently baked into your expense guidance, the mid-single-digit growth guidance that you all put out. And three, I guess, how quickly could you get to that $1 billion?
spk03: When I say shortly, I think, I mean, I would like for us to do that this year. I mean, right now we're – too much of a spread-oriented organization, and our future strategy growing the core bank and the digital bank does not center on service charges, which I think are going to go away anyhow. So we need a non-interest income source, and the one we had was fine. I mean, it was a good organization. It just wasn't what we needed long-term. I would like to do something this year. So, I mean, short-term, it Don't expect a press release in the next couple weeks. That's not what I was saying. And I wasn't really leading anything with that other than wanting investors to know that I know that that's missing, that and some other non-interest income sources. And, you know, I'm not going to try to – I don't think it's possible to push a 1.5% ROA in the 16, 17 – return on tangible capital if you're just doing straight core community banking. And the way you get there is with several lines of business that produce sort of outsized earnings relative to their assets or the leverage that's required. I know that that's the billion dollars really is Matt and I are looking at what the core bank with all these strategies we think can produce ROA wise and kind of where we, you know, in order to get to, you know, some of our targets, what kind of production do we need? So, you know, we don't necessarily want to look at a $200 million mortgage company, but we also don't need to look at a, you know, $10 billion mortgage company. So I was kind of just maybe putting that out there that that's probably what we would be looking for. And the last thing I'd say is I'm kind of hopeful that – timing may be on our side here because I think with rates moving up, you know, mortgage companies, or at least maybe mortgage companies, don't think they're worth, you know, 10 times the book and 10 times earnings. I don't know. Some probably do. But I think Matt and I will be able to find something that's right for our organization, that's quickly accretive to everything that we would want it to be. So... I think the other question was if it's baked into earnings.
spk04: Nothing's baked into it.
spk02: Okay. So to be clear, this would be something that, you know, if the right company comes along on the mortgage side, you would look to kind of do a tuck-in acquisition and, you know, make it your own. And the billion number is what you kind of think you would need to achieve the financial targets that you have in mind then. Yes. Okay. And then last one for me, just on the branch consolidation. Um, I just wanted to confirm the one and a half million that's realized in 2022. Um, does that mean that there's another one and a half that's coming through in like the first half of 23, Matt, or would you just kind of expect the fork you run rate to have all of the cost savings baked in, but you know, that results in, you know, half of it being realized in 23.
spk04: Yeah, it's the latter. So most of the savings won't show up until the back half of this year. So by the fourth quarter, the full run rate should be in there.
spk02: Awesome. Thank you very much for taking my questions. I appreciate it.
spk04: All right. Thank you for voting.
spk00: This concludes our question and answer session as well as our conference for today. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.
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