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5/4/2022
related costs and operational growth, partially offset by a decrease in non-cash stock compensation expense. Both R&D and SG&A expenses were slightly below our expectations in the first quarter, primarily due to the timing of certain expenses that we now expect to be recognized later in 2022. Net loss for the first quarter was $81 million compared to $75 million for the same period in 2021. Basic and diluted net loss per share for the first quarter was $1.26 per share compared with $1.21 per share for the same period in 2021. We ended the first quarter with cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities of $662 million compared with $735 million at the end of 2021. Looking forward to the second quarter of 2022, we anticipate revenues in the range of $63 to $65 million. or sequential growth of 14% to 18%. We expect this will be driven by new prescription growth, including phasing in the first quarter, which was more back-end weighted in terms of growth of new prescriptions. And we expect this will be partially offset by an increase in growth to net and the timing of broad pediatric payer coverage. In summary, our first quarter results were in line with our expectations. and we expect that revenue will grow over the remainder of the year. In addition, we continue to be well-positioned with a strong balance sheet, allowing us to continue to make key investments for future growth. And with that, I will now turn the call over to DJ.
Thank you, Jeff, and good afternoon, everyone. As I've done in the past, I will provide an update on three key metrics that will give you further insight into our progress. These metrics are new prescriptions for Oxbrita, which informs underlying patient demand, the number of healthcare providers prescribing Oxbrita, which captures the progress we are making on adoption, and payer coverage, which speaks to the access environment for Oxbrita. First, new prescriptions. We delivered more than 1,200 new prescriptions during the quarter, our strongest demand quarter since Q1 of 2020. This was driven by the pediatric launch and incremental growth from the 12 and older group. Starting with the pediatric launch, we got off to a strong start in the quarter. We were able to leverage two years of Oxbrita education and awareness building from our original approval to quickly engage with healthcare providers on the pediatric label expansion and to train them on administering the new formulation in early January. Our team did an excellent job building excitement, particularly among pediatric hematologists and caregivers, and early feedback from this engagement has been overwhelmingly positive. This is reflected in the high number of new prescriptions in the quarter. Somewhat expected, the uptake in the pediatric population was strongest in the early part of the quarter when many physicians and patients had been eagerly awaiting the opportunity to start oxbritotherapy. As a result, many existing prescribers had some of their younger patients ready to initiate therapy shortly after approval. In terms of COVID-19, we did see some impact from Omicron in January, reflecting continued caution by SCD patients and caregivers. However, demand and field team access dynamics did improve in February as infections declined. Similarly, our market research shows that comfort levels for in-person care bounced back quickly in February, with most patients and caregivers preferring in-person visits for routine care. And in February, HCPs we surveyed indicated that the majority of their SED appointments were conducted in person. This is a good leading indicator that things are likely to start trending back to more normal healthcare engagements this year. Feedback from our field team supported what we heard from our market research. Anecdotally, our team saw patient volumes increase in February and March, with ongoing headwinds from COVID causing some adult patients to be cautious due to the increased risk to their health. On the provider side, we continue to see office turnover and staff shortages. And when we look at the claims data in Q1, SCD patient visits to HCP offices remain below pre-pandemic levels. We believe the net effect of all these trends contributed to the sequential growth in new prescriptions for the 12 and older age group, along with the momentum from our DTC and real-world evidence that was presented at ASH last year and recently published in expert review of hematology. We also believe the 12 and older segment benefited from HCP engagement around the pediatric launch, given that the majority of our targets treat a range of age groups. We also continue to see a broad range of patient characteristics for those prescribed Oxprida, such as baseline hemoglobin and VOC burden, suggesting that the prescribers are increasingly recognizing the importance of addressing polymerization and long-term health. The COVID environment has remained relatively stable from mid-Q1 through April, though we are closely watching the recent uptick in cases. Assuming COVID impact does not escalate, we anticipate that new prescriptions in the second quarter will be roughly flat compared to the first quarter. This reflects slightly lower pediatric new prescriptions following the strong start with patients that had been waiting for Uxbrita, offset by continued incremental improvement in the 12 and older group. Looking ahead to the second half of the year, if the environment continues to improve, we believe we have the potential to accelerate growth driven by our ongoing DTC campaign, new real-world data that we continue to publish, and the pediatric launch. The key leading indicators that we see as predictive of a return to sustained quarter-over-quarter growth are improvements in the industry-wide new-to-brand prescriptions and our patients' healthcare visits returning to pre-pandemic levels. While we are hopeful this will occur, we know SED patients remain cautious. For example, all the SED-focused community-based organization meetings planned for the second half of the year are taking place virtually. As we prepare for more SED patients to potentially return to face-to-face interactions with their healthcare providers, we are working to raise overall OxyBrita awareness through our ongoing DTC campaign. The metrics from the campaign, around targeted audience reach continue to exceed our original goals. In the first quarter, this was aided by several new tactics, including updating the campaign to reflect the pediatric approval and an improved ability to target SCD patients, which we believe contributed to a higher frequency of monthly engagement. In addition, we launched our branded and unbranded content on new channels, including YouTube, Pandora, and podcasts. visits to Oxbrita.com and SickleCellSpeaks.com reached an all-time high in the first quarter. We also are seeing encouraging growth in the number of SCD patients visiting their HCPs within one month of seeing our DTC advertisement. As we think about recent trends, the conversion rate for new prescriptions was consistent with prior quarters. Similarly, Oxbrita adherence, which includes compliance and persistence for patients in the first year of therapy, continued to be within the range of our prior quarters and analogs. As we gain more data on adherence for year two and beyond, we are seeing lower adherence compared to year one, as would be expected for any chronic medication. But we are encouraged that some patients in year one and beyond have restarted Oxprida, and that Oxprida adherence continues to trend better than SCD analogs. In addition, we continue to proactively roll out new tactics aimed at improving overall adherence, including long-term adherence. This includes additional services through our patient hub, GBT Source Solutions, which continues to be an important driver of patient engagement and adherence. For example, early feedback on the email newsletters and mobile messaging that we launched around the end of 2021 has been encouraging. These services are also available to patients via our specialty pharmacies, And the data shows that patients engaged with GBT Source or the similar services offered by these partners have better adherence rates than those that do not. So we plan to continue investing and driving utilization of these programs. Next, my second metric, healthcare provider penetration. During the quarter, total interactions with healthcare providers increased significantly compared to the fourth quarter, which was lower due to the holidays and lingering impact of the Delta variant. And despite the impact of the Omicron variant in January, in-person visits continued to improve as they have for several quarters, reaching around 50% of our Salesforce interactions with HCPs during the quarter. Against this backdrop, we added about 120 new prescribers in the quarter. This includes several prescribers from the 200 new targets we added for the pediatric launch. This group focuses almost entirely on patients that are 11 and younger. Encouragingly, With the momentum from the pediatric launch on new prescribers and re-engaging prior riders, March was our highest month for the number of active prescribers in the last 12 months. When we look at the breakdown of riders, we continue to see prescriptions being written by both specialists and non-specialists, which we believe is a positive trend for the long-term trajectory of the launch. Turning to payer coverage. We continue to have broad payer coverage for the 12 and older patient population with more than 90% of covered lives having access in the United States. And our focus is on making it easier for physicians to prescribe and patients to receive Oxbrita. In terms of coverage for the 4 to 11 age group, we made substantial progress and we are well on our way to achieving our goal of broad coverage by mid-2022, faster than we did with the adolescent and adult populations. Before turning the call over to Kim, I also want to provide a brief update on our commercial activities in Europe. We are gaining experience with more than 100 patients participating in our early access programs across Germany, France, and the UK. And following our European Commission approval in February, we are working to launch Oxbride in Germany in mid-May. We will have open pricing in Germany for the first year while we negotiate future reimbursement. There are around 3,000 sickle cell patients in Germany, and we anticipate adoption will be gradual, leading to minimal revenues for Europe in 2022. Separately, our team has also begun reimbursement negotiations in France and England. We have begun educating physicians in Europe on Oxtrida, including plans for a robust presence at the European Hematology Association, or EHA, meeting in June. At EHA, we plan to promote Oxtrida for the first time in Europe. engage with physicians, including our branded booth, and sponsor an educational program. We also recently held a successful internal launch meeting in Europe, where it was clear that our employees are excited about bringing Oxbride to the patients and to helping GBT achieve our mission around the world. And with that, Kim will now talk about the developments in our pipeline.
Thank you, DJ, and good afternoon, everyone. On today's call, I will provide an update on our efforts to further expand Oxpritis clinical evidence and geographic reach and our progress advancing our pipeline. Following on our regulatory approval in the European Union in February, we submitted for marketing authorization in Great Britain and believe we are on track for potential approval by mid-year. As a reminder, In the UK, Oxbrita was granted approval of Early Access Medicine Scheme, or EAMS, which provides two key advantages. First, patients that meet the eligibility criteria can gain early pre-licensed access to Oxbrita. We are pleased that UK patients have already started on Oxbrita through the EAMS designation. Second, medicines under EAMS that receive marketing authorization by the MHRA as well as a positive assessment by NICE, benefit from accelerated NHS England commissioning. In support of the pediatric launch, this week at the American Society of Pediatric Hematology Oncology, or AFSPO, conference, we will present results from the Sprite Expanded Access Program for Children with Sickle Cell Disease, age 4 to 11. The EAP data reinforces the efficacy and safety of treatment with Oxbrita in these patients as seen in the HOPE Kids 1 study. Those HOPE Kids 1 results were first presented at EHA last year and were published this April in Pediatric Blood and Cancer. Importantly, the majority of patients in the EAP had improved scores as measured by the patient and clinical global impressions of change scale. indicating that Oxprida treatment is positively impacting their lives. I also want to flag that a 77-patient, single-center, real-world experience study of Oxprida from Dr. Alan Anderson was published in late April in the European Journal of Hematology. Dr. Anderson presented this data, which showed a mean hemoglobin increase of 2 grams per deciliter and substantial improvements in patient quality of life at several meetings in 2021. At the annual EHA meeting in June, we plan to present new OXBRITO real-world data and other studies that reflect our efforts to generate new data. EHA abstracts will be announced later this month, and we are excited about our planned activities. Now let's turn to the pipeline. For Inclacimab, our P-selectin inhibitor, we are enrolling patients in our two Phase III studies collectively named Thrive. One is evaluating the reduction of VOCs over a 48-week treatment period based on Inclacimab's potential for quarterly dosing. We believe this would be a meaningful improvement for patients compared to monthly dosing and aligns well with the typical sickle cell disease practice schedule of quarterly office visits. The other phase three study is evaluating 90-day VOC readmission rates following an initial VOC hospitalization, which tragically occurs in around 50% of patients who experience an initial VOC. This study is enabled by Nklakamab's profile and aligned with its best-in-class potential. We are continuing to focus on enrolling Thrive as quickly as possible. Turning to GBT601, our next-generation hemoglobin polymerization inhibitor that we believe has potential to be a best-in-class therapy. At EHA, we aim to share more data on GBT601, including sickle cell disease patient EPO levels from the Phase I study. Separately, we aim to publish new preclinical data for GBT601 in a peer-reviewed journal later this year. Based on the impressive data we reported at ASH in December, we are working to aggressively advance GBT-601. Our plan is to initiate a Phase 2-3 clinical trial with the goal of submitting for a full regulatory approval with FDA. We expect the Phase 2-3 design will allow us to advance more quickly into the pivotal Phase 3 portion and are working towards our goal of initiating the Phase 2 portion by mid-2022. The purpose of the Phase II portion is to identify the optimal dose to advance into Phase III. As we explore higher doses, we believe they will lead to higher average occupancy and hemoglobin increases and, importantly, consistently improve the red blood cell health of patients to resemble that of a sickle cell trait individual. We are also exploring a 150 milligram dose of GBT-601 with patients from our phase one study. We are very excited that all six patients reached out to the clinical trial site wanting to restart therapy, providing us the opportunity to restart the study and explore a higher dose. In my experience, this is the first time I have seen the restart of a sickle cell study due to patient demand. Patients will receive a 150 milligram daily maintenance dose for six weeks. We anticipate data from this portion of the study will be available by the end of the year and include the same key and points as the data we reported at ASH in December. I am proud of the progress we are making with GBT-601 over a short time frame, while also continuing to drive enrollment in our enclaquimab studies and advancing our oxbrita studies. I firmly believe GVT has the leading clinical and pipeline programs in sickle cell disease. I'll now turn it back over to Ted.
Thank you, Kim. In closing, we are off to a strong start in 2022. Given our progress, we are increasingly confident in the outlook for OxyPrida and our pipeline, which provide multiple new growth opportunities in the coming quarters and years. For Oxbrita, new prescriptions are improving, and we believe we have additional upside with the anticipated increase in in-person patient visits and as we raise awareness through our many ongoing efforts, including our DTC campaign, our compelling clinical data, and our pediatric launch. We also continue to invest in the near-term opportunities in Germany, France, and the U.K. afforded by a recent European Commission approval with the goal of potential broader expansion over time to add another layer to oxfidus growth potential. In terms of innovation, we believe GBT is well-positioned with what we view as the most comprehensive pipeline in sickle cell disease. And over the next several years, our goal is to have at least five medicines approved or in the clinic. This R&D goal is matched by our commitment to provide broader support to the SED community. On that note, I want to provide a brief update on potential federal legislation we are supporting that will provide new funding for multidisciplinary care teams across the lifespan of individuals living with sickle cell disease. This legislation is modeled after the federally funded hemophilia treatment centers, a network of 130 clinics that offer coordinated care to Americans living with hemophilia. The total package of $535 million would help the SCD community in several ways. including a dramatic increase in the funding for SCD treatment centers. Currently, this funding is about $9 million per year, which is far below federal funding for other orphan diseases. The legislation would also fund 110 community-based organizations that support patients, families, and communities facing SCD. If signed into law, this would be the most comprehensive piece of legislation for sickle cell in 50 years. In summary, we are well positioned to be the leader in sickle cell disease with multiple opportunities to positively impact the lives of the patients we serve. With that, we'll open the call for questions. Operator.
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Thank you. Our first question is from Ritu Baral with Cowan.
Please proceed with your question.
Good afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking the question. I want to drill down a little bit more into the distribution of NRXs sort of across the quarter and maybe any color on what we're seeing in April. Can you just confirm that there was sort of a net increase in NRX numbers over the quarter? I guess I'm trying to figure out if the pediatric bolus is over, but that growth is continuing into April. And then I have a follow-up.
Hi, Ritu. This is Ted. We'll ask DJ to answer that.
Yeah, thank you, Ritu. Yeah, so we have seen an increase in net patient's on Oxbrida in Q1 over Q4, just like we've seen every quarter, the pool of patients on Oxbrida has increased. And of course, as you would expect, because we have the new indication in Q1, we did see some healthy growth, not only in top line enrollments in Q1 at over 1,200 new enrollments, but the total pool of patients also went up consistent with that. so we haven't you know we're not here to talk about q2 results I don't have a lot to talk about that but but we're certainly pleased with the overall performance in q1 it's our strongest quarter from a pure demand perspective since the first quarter of approval two years ago and the pediatric boluses is pretty much over is that what you guys are anticipating internally And what I tried to convey in my prepared comments was that we did see the strongest enrollments in the early part of Q1. So signifying that all that work we've done for two years, preparing the market, educating Onyx Brita, and of course many of, in fact two-thirds of the prescribers in the pediatric pool of treaters are ones that we were already calling on for the two years because they also have 12 and older patients. Yeah, they had patients ready to go right when we got approval, and so that's why that made sense. That was the strongest months for us. So, yeah, we think we've kind of gotten past that. Now we're moving on to more of a consistent number of enrollments expected from the pediatric group going forward.
Got it. And then just a quick follow-up on 601s. What doses will you be investigating in the Phase 2a? What's the sort of range of doses? And will you be pursuing a loading dose strategy again in this study? Thanks.
Hi, Ritu. It's Kim. Yes, we are going to be pursuing a loading dose similar to what we did with the Phase 1a. MAD-1 and MAD-2 phases, and then we will be using a daily maintenance dose of 150 milligrams.
In the Phase 2a. Great. Thanks for taking all the questions.
Oh, so that's to clarify, Ritu. I'm sorry. That was for the follow-up for the Phase 1. We have not disclosed a dose for the Phase 2. Because as you know, we are using phase two for the dose finding portion. So that's just what's going to be going on with the additional phase one restart.
Okay. And so the range of doses that you're going to use in that, that could be determined?
So we are going to explore, of course, the doses that we looked at at least in our phase one and consider doses based on a 100 and 150 milligram before we decide whether or not we will explore doses above that.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Jason Gerberry with Bank of America. Please proceed with your question.
Hi, this is Perry on the line for Jason. Thanks for taking the question. I just wanted to get some additional detail on reinitiating the phase one trial for 601. First, when could we expect to get an update on when patients will start getting dosed? And then I know that you spoke about the six patients, but is there potential for a higher number of patients in the phase one? And then I just have one other question.
We are anticipating to restart the six participants, hopefully all six, but we are not planning on adding new participants to the phase one portion.
Okay, thank you. And then just one more on the NRX number. Are you able to give a breakdown on a adults versus peds in one queue for NRX. And then I'm curious, in terms of the states that have gained coverage, are any of these states from the key geographies? I know that you've discussed 17 states with this high concentration of sickle cell disease patients. Any detail would be helpful. Thank you.
Yeah, regarding the NRXs, we're not breaking out NRX by age group. Our goal is to drive overall adoption with sickle cell patients in four and above. The pricing is the same, and we know that these patients will matriculate into the 12 and older category over time anyway. So another important dynamic to keep in mind. is just that the 12 and older population is still going to be the largest driver of growth going forward. It's by far the largest group of patients. So we think just reporting on overall demand, overall enrollments every quarter, gives you the best idea of how we're driving demand. So that's where we're at at that time. And I forget the second piece.
The second question was related to specific states. If you're able to provide any detail on key geography states?
Yeah, we're getting prescriptions across the 17 states that make up 85% of our sickle cell patients. As you would imagine, that's where we're also, the bulk of the pediatric patients nears that same geographies, and we are getting prescriptions across the states you would expect.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Gregory Renza with RBC. Please proceed with your question.
Hi, visiting along for Greg. Thanks for taking our question. I was wondering if you could provide some more color on your expectation around the growth trend in adult population going forward. And, you know, as the pandemic impact has gradually stabilized, what's your latest thinking around providing more long-term sales guidance and probably breaking down the revenues by age group? Thanks.
So, Jeff, you want to take that because you speak to the issue about revenue guidance in the long term.
I think we have up to now, as you know, focused on giving quarterly guidance, and our plan has been to move to longer-term guidance, but we really want to make sure that we are somewhat beyond the pandemic, and we're not really sure if we're there yet. We're hopeful but not really convinced that we're completely there yet with some of the variants that appear to be popping up. But feel free.
That's exactly right, Ted. I think the biggest unknown that we have is what's going to happen with the potential additional variants popping up and the impact it might have to patients visiting their physicians, which is a big driver of new Rxs. And I believe that part of your question, too, is what's our expectations on the 12 and above. We do anticipate that growing over time. We do expect to get back to sort of the level that we saw prior to the pandemic happening. It's going to take some time. One of the things that we've referenced before in this past, given the fact that these patients haven't gotten in to visit their physicians yet, Previously, the first visit might be one of those health check-ins, like how are you doing? Let's talk generally what's going on. And then maybe the second visit is where we talk about, hey, there's a couple new medications out there for sickle cell. Would you like to hear a little bit about that? So that's why we're anticipating it to be sort of a stepwise growth as opposed to a light switch in terms of growth there.
Thank you.
Our next question comes from Akash Tiwari with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.
Hi. This is for Akash. So you have indicated a goal. So previously, we noticed in the consensus estimate about 280 Oxford cells for 20 this year. And based on our math, this revenue implied about 1,400 new prescriptions per quarter for the rest of the year. Do you think that's a reasonable goal for this year? And in addition, previously you mentioned you have a goal to reaching $15 billion market cap by 2025. We believe that suggests around $3 to $4 billion product sales. What are some signals you saw made you feel confident to reaching that target in 2025? Thank you.
Jeff, you may want to take part of that, but I'll start out with the 2025 goal. So, you know, in building a company, you do want to set some aspirational goals for how you want to build a business. You want them to be realistic, though, as well. And one of the things that we did is that we looked at companies which had actually moved from where we are today to a market cap of beyond $15 billion or in that range. And if you look at those companies, those companies tend to have multiple products, either approved or looking very likely that they will be approved shortly. and we certainly think we're well positioned with that, with Oxprida, already approved with Inclacimab in phase three, and with 601 being a program that we think we can move very aggressively with. And obviously, there's more opportunities. We do have things going on in research, and we have the capacity to do deals, so we think the five is achievable. We also know that companies that hit these numbers tend to have significant revenue. And obviously we think Oxprida has long-term potential of generating revenue. We're obviously growing our revenue quarter of a quarter. And over the next couple of years, we think that the revenue could look like a company that has a position to be in that market cap. So there's nothing mathematical. I don't think there's a program that tells you how to get to a market cap of $15 billion. But they're ingredients and we think we've got the fundamental ingredients to make it happen here.
In reference to the patient numbers, we're really not in a position to speak to it because it does go hand in hand with revenue guidance. That said, I think what we've previously said still holds true, that we expect growth in the back half of this year. A couple of things that are going to be driving that is our hope that the pandemic will subside and we'll start seeing more in-office visits, which will drive more NRXs. And then just a reminder that we still have to go through the payer process on the pediatric side. And so we expect to have broader coverage by the middle of this year, which of course will help revenues in the long run as well.
Thank you very much. It's very helpful.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Yanan Xu with Wells Fargo Securities. Please proceed with your question.
Hi. Thanks for taking my question and congrats on the progress and the 4-3-11 age group launch. Two questions perhaps. The one on the guidance and the prescription numbers is the is that from this quarter's $55 million to the guidance for the next quarter at the middle point, $64 million revenue, how much of that is driven by the pediatric patients transitioning, I mean four to 11 age group transitioning to insurance coverage? And how much is that driven by increasing demand? So that's my first question, thanks.
Thanks for the question. We're not really in a position, I think, to bifurcate those out, but I think your point is a good one. As I mentioned on the previous question, that we are still seeking broad payer coverage on the pediatric side. So obviously those patients that maybe weren't covered in the first quarter, becoming covered in Q2 will help us on that aspect of it. But we also do anticipate growth overall in new prescriptions, somewhat incremental growth. But we do also expect some growth on the 12 and above as well. So generally, I think what DJ had said was that we expect somewhat of a decrease on the pediatric side, the 4 to 11, given the early access that happened there. But we do anticipate growth on the 12 and above side of prescriptions.
Which we saw in this quarter as well.
Right. Jeff, I thought I heard you say when you were making the guidance, there is a phasing in part of consideration of that kind of dynamic. Basically, that says in the back half of the first quarter, the demand is higher. That's my understanding and
That's correct. That is correct. Particularly in the adults.
Right, right. Yeah, given that there is a bolus when the pediatrics was approved, which is, I think, mid-February. So it sounds like there has to be adult growth in the back half of the quarter for you to consider phasing in into next quarter. Correct, yeah. Thanks for explaining that. And my next other question is on the 150 milligram dose. So could you talk about, you know, obviously, if you have to choose a dose, you know, this is a dose you have chosen, a higher dose. What's the hemoglobin occupancy that you think you'll get based on your modeling? And is there a possibility that you will do something similar to what you did before, that is, you know, having a like a second part with an even higher dose with these six patients. Thank you.
We anticipate with the modeling that obviously this will be adjusted because our original modeling was based on six participants. But when you look at those six participants, we should with a 150 milligram dose get occupancies above 40%. So we are comfortable using those going into a phase two, but understand that we'll get much more data to support a model to find a dose out of the phase two study.
And I think one of the other things that's important to point out is that we looked and showed you all a fair amount of LORCA data. and we showed that many of the parameters on these patients were beginning to approach normality, we would love to have them actually arrive at mimicking the blood from a sickle trait individual rather than someone from a sickle cell patient. So that's the rationale for going higher, to see if we can recapitulate that state that looks like sickle cell trait and no longer sickle cell disease.
Thank you. Our next question comes from Yatin Sunajay with Guggenheim Partners. Please proceed with your question.
Hey, guys. Two questions. First, I just want to confirm the guidance is 63 to 65 for Q2, correct?
Correct.
Okay. So if we look at the midpoint, your guidance is actually implying about a $9 million of additional growth in 2Q, which is exactly what you did in second quarter of 2021. And this is the guidance that you're providing despite having an expanded label, limited COVID headwinds, a lot more increase in NRX that you're seeing. So I'm just trying to understand why revenues are not growing at a higher rate when you have all these dynamic in your favor. And then also maybe comment, will they accelerate in Q3? Just help us understand this dynamic.
Sure, Jotun. It's a great question, and it is something that we wanted to make sure was understood. The biggest issue, and there's a delta between the NRX growth and the revenue guidance that we're providing. The biggest issues are really three folders. One, we still don't have broad payer coverage on the pediatric side. So while we might be shipping bottles or having requests come in, we can't recognize revenues on that. So that's going to inhibit the revenue growth. The other aspect, to a lesser extent, is our increase in gross to net. And then finally, we have a dynamic in Q2, similar to what we had in Q1, where the quarter ends on a Thursday. And what we have seen is one of our customers, especially distributor, tends to buy on that date. But that shipment is not received until the following quarter. So the result's a fairly large purchase that does not get recognized in the second quarter. So that's part of the rationale as well for the lower growth on the guidance.
Got it. And then maybe just one more on the pediatric side. So of the 16,000 patients that you are targeting, can you just talk about realistically how many can be reached with Oxprita? Is it like 50%, 30% or higher? Just give us some number if you can in the longer term.
Thank you. This is DJ.
I don't think we've ever given a market share estimate for our sickle cell patients, including the adult patients for that matter. You know, I think if you look at some of the analogs in the marketplace, that should give you an idea of what we can likely achieve and exceed. I mean, if you look at hydroxyurea consistently is in the 30% of patients in any given year are on therapy. there's a lot of patients cycle on and off therapy, but consistently about 30% of patients are on therapy in a given year. Um, so that would be, um, if you assume around a hundred thousand patients, that's about a 30%, I guess, patient share, uh, you know, with Oxbrida being a broad indication and now going down to four years old, it does open up the market to, uh, a hundred thousand, uh, sickle cell patients that are now qualified for Oxbrida, um, with, with really no restrictions, uh, to speak of in terms of um, you know, hemoglobin levels or other conditions that would, um, you know, it's a very broad indication. So, so we would expect to do at least as good as that over time. It's going to take time. Um, we do need to fully come out of the pandemic. We talked about some of the headwinds still being a patient visits to healthcare providers still lower than we need it to be, but we are expecting that to improve this year. Um, So, yeah, so I think all pediatric patients in the 4 to 11 are really candidates for us, and we're going to work very hard to get them access to Oxbride as quickly as possible.
Great. Thank you very much.
Thank you. Our next question is from Ben Burnett with Stifel. Please proceed with your question.
Hi. Good afternoon. This is Carolina Ibanez for Ben Burnett. Thank you for taking our questions. Expanding on a previous question, what do you expect to show in terms of follow-up time for the six patients that are going to be restarted in the 601, in the higher dose 601 study, and that will be part of the data update later this year?
Yeah, you're talking about the follow-up patient that we're restarting on therapy from phase one.
Correct.
You know, we kind of said that toward the end of the year, It's typically asked when we try to present major news. Depending upon when the patients restart, we would present all the data that we have. So it could be multiple months of treatment by that time.
Okay. And a quick follow-up question. For the pediatric patients, do you have a sense for the adherence in this patient population?
It's a little early to have any adherence data. We only have a couple of months, and in some cases, some patients are still awaiting to receive their first bottles and that sort of thing. So we don't have enough data yet. Although we can look at our 12 and older population, and we know, for example, that the 12 to 18-year-olds in that group are actually the highest adherence. And so we think the younger the patient, and especially when the caregivers, the parents are involved, we have the potential with the 4 to 11-year-olds to have some of the best adherence yet. So we're excited to look at that, and we should be able to talk about that more later in the year.
Got it. Thank you.
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Thanks for taking the question. DJ, you just mentioned this kind of on the compliance rate in some of the younger patient populations. Do you guys have any data that supports kind of this from the early launch metrics that you're getting kind of repeat prescriptions from these younger patient populations? And, you know, if we're thinking about kind of pull through revenue in the next quarter, how much recurring revenue we could expect from kind of this bolus of new patients you brought in in the first quarter?
I got another one. Thanks.
Yeah, I would just say that from a pediatric group in particular, we don't have enough data because they're really just getting going. So, you know, you need to look at that over time. It's really anecdotal from the clinicians that treat four to 11-year-olds in the trials and the early access programs, et cetera. And they would tell you that with the parents involved, the kids tend to do better on adherence. And we've seen in our own data that the younger patients, the teenagers in our 12 and older do, in fact, have better adherence than the adults. So we think everything's pointing towards better adherence. I would say that, yeah, over time, what we've always said is that we want to be at least in the same category as the analogs, 50% to 70% adherence at the end of the first year of therapy. We remain there right now with our therapies, and we're going to watch it over time. We're putting a lot of resources towards supporting patients, and we're hopeful that this year we'll be able to actually increase adherence in some groups over time.
Great. And then can you remind me the gross-to-net that you said in your prepared remarks, and then maybe just give me directionality on the gross-to-net and the pediatric cohort?
Hey, Raj. It's Jeff. So we had gross to net this quarter was about 16.3, and we do expect that to go up incrementally quarter over quarter to sort of a steady state of about 25%, probably by mid-year. I think it's better to look at it in aggregate because that's how we think about it, particularly since pricing is flat between the two indications. But you are right. There are more of patients in the 4 to 11 age group that are on Medicaid as opposed to potentially being dual eligible on Medicaid and Medicare. So it is slightly higher gross than on those patients, but in the aggregate, we do expect it to get to that 25% by middle of next year.
Great. And then maybe just one last one on 601. You mentioned that it was kind of inbound interest from the patient to get back on drug and to study 150. Just kind of curious to know, would that, I mean, is there any thoughts about expanding the STD cohort to have more patients or is it just bringing those six patients back in that were washed out of drug and getting them back on drug to look at occupancy before the phase two? And then just kind of as a part B to that question, is there a chance that you might study two dose cohorts in the phase two trial after this data? Thanks.
Yeah, so just to be clear, the plan was to do a proper phase two study with dose ranging, and we're doing that. What happened with the six patients is that they called back and said they'd like to go back on drugs, and we're opportunistic, so we thought that was fantastic news and an opportunity to oblige those patients and get more information. But that's not a substitute for our Phase II study. So we're starting our Phase II study. That's where we're going to get the proper dose range. And we're going to get more data from these six patients. But again, to be clear, it's not our Phase II study.
Got it. Thanks. And would you have to file an amendment to increase the dose level in the Phase II to 150? Or is that already included in the design?
The plan is to expose these six patients starting at 150. I think Kim had that in her prepared remarks. And in the proper phase two study, we'll look at a variety of ranges. We obviously have shown you data on 100 milligrams. We saw that that produced about 32% modification. We saw the LORCA data look very exciting. But the patients didn't get perfectly to sickle cell disease. So obviously we're gonna go higher. and we're going to go longer and we're going to get the data and make decisions based on the data. So it's a little bit hard to tell you what the dose is going to be until we actually do the study.
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Hi, thanks for taking our questions and congrats on the quarter. Just following up on the previous question, it's impressive that you're able to restart the trial, the phase one trial for 601. due to patient demand, you know, it's also highly unusual. You know, was there any particular clinical benefit that they missed and complained of that drove them to demand the restart? And, you know, did this require any level of dialogue with the FDA to get this restarted? Thank you.
We were really pleased to see that participants in the Phase I were interested in restarting 601. I think that what we're pleased with in the development of 601 is we have data from Oxbrita to go on. And as you know, in our HOPE trials, we had a global impression of health overall that shows that individuals felt better when they were receiving Oxbrita. So it's not inconsistent to say to think that individuals felt better, and that was one of the reasons that they were interested in restarting. However, we did not query specifically why they were interested. But I think that just from knowing our Oxbride experience, I would suggest that they may have felt better while on 601.
Did this restart require consent from the FDA or in any way?
Well, I think that one of the things that is very interesting about this approach is that using intrapatient or intra-participant dose escalation is kind of standard within our drug development. So I don't think that this really required an additional discussion with FDA. I think that what we did was pretty conservative. We looked at two doses. Then we looked at our safety tolerability profile and analyzed the data before we offered an increase in dose for the participants restarting.
I mean, of course, our protocols and things are filed with the FDA. There's nothing FDA is not aware of, and our safety data from phase one has been shared widely as well. So we feel good about the profile. And, you know, I would just add, I mean, while we didn't do formal testing of the patients for how they felt, my suspicion is that if they came back and said they wanted to go back on drugs, they must have had something desirable happening. So we did not formally collect anything.
Right. You know, because when we did our doc checks, they said that the patient just felt better. And it's just such a vague descriptor. So I just want to understand what aspect of this clinical improvement they were vocalizing. Just that was a curiosity. But, I mean, it's good.
Yeah. I mean, many of these patients with you know, one, two, three gram increase in hemoglobin, they feel more like they can get their normal activities done. I mean, if you were anemic with a hemoglobin of eight, you wouldn't feel normal. And if it increased to 10, you would definitely feel better. So I think a lot of it's that. Some patients have also complained that they have kind of daily pain that gets better when they have fewer sickle cells. presumably on treatment. But again, we didn't do anything formal, so we don't want to, you know, project it as if we did something formal. We are just being clear that the patients did come back and say, you know, we want to go back on the therapy.
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Hey, guys. Thanks so much for taking my question. The first one is, can you provide a little bit more color on what you are seeing with respect to in-office healthcare professional visits with sickle cell disease patients by age group? Are there any differences that are noteworthy? And then I had one follow-up on the 601.
Yeah, I'd be happy to share some of the information. Every quarter we take a look at the claims data for sickle cell patients, and it still is below pre-pandemic levels in terms of healthcare visits across the board. When you look at it for 12 and older versus 4 to 11, the 4 to 11s are actually even farther below baseline. And the reason for that is because we call that the vaccinations for the younger kids has been slower and hasn't gotten to all of them yet. So parents are very cautious about getting their kids in and around the healthcare system and out and about when they have sickle cell disease and could potentially contract COVID. So that's why those healthcare visits are down. It has everything to do with COVID risk and our patients being at risk for poor outcomes if they catch it. So they're just being cautious, they're being smart, and the kids are being especially, I guess, conservative. So that's still the case today, although, as I also said in my prepared remarks, our market research suggests that physicians and patients are feeling more optimistic about getting back in person. Our reps are getting back in person at higher levels now. So we think this is all a good sign and a leading indicator that we're going to get there.
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Hi, thank you. Good afternoon and thank you for taking our questions. My first question is commercial and just going back perhaps to DJ's earlier comments with regard to the substantial portion of the growth coming from the pediatric population. I want to maybe just understand a little better as to why the 12 and older population growth here seems to be relatively flat. Is it just in terms of understanding slower NRX dynamics, or has it been just sort of issues with regard to adherence broadly over the population as to why this portion of the revenue mix has been relatively flat over the past few quarters? And then I had a follow-up question.
Yeah, just to be clear, I want BJ to answer, but just to be clear, it wasn't flat. There was obviously new patients coming in. in the 4 to 11, because that wasn't just approved, but there was growth in the 12 and over. I think I want to make sure we want to be clear about that.
Yeah, that's exactly right, Ted. We've seen growth across the board. Of course, substantial growth in the 4 to 11, given that it's new, but we do see growth also in the adults being reinitiated now as we've gotten this approval. It makes a lot of sense as well. Many of the physicians that are now treating the 4 to 11 year olds also have patients in the 12 and older and as they as we got approval in a broader set of patients and the FDA wanting it to get to lower ages that's also a great signal to our clinicians that this drug has even more experience has been tested and proven in the marketplace now the real-world evidence is stronger than it's ever been so for all these reasons there's more confidence using Oxford across the board And in fact, in the 12 to 18-year-old group, we saw some reasonable growth as well, suggesting that, yeah, some of those same physicians that are now using it in 4 to 11 are now initiating it in their 12 to 18-year-olds as well.
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Great. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. I just want to ask... two things related to 601. So first, can you just remind us how much tox data you have and how long you can dose patients for with 601 right now, if there are any restrictions related to preclinical tox? And then second, what are the headwinds to starting the phase 2, 3, just in terms of is this operational things or are there other things you're still considering related to dose and still doing some modeling and things like that. Thanks very much.
Yeah, we're on target with our toxicology studies. There's no limitation for dose increasing based on that. And then the second part of your question was regarding
So I guess I was asking more around if there's any limitation on duration of dosing related to the tox studies that you've done. I don't know if you've done all of the longer-term tox studies, and that has an implication on duration. And then second, I was just asking around the Phase 2-3 study in terms of getting that started. What are you waiting for to get that started? Thanks.
Yeah, so there's no limitation on duration as well, and really the goal of the Phase 2-3 study will be, of course, with the Phase 2 to do dose finding and then to go over into a Phase 3 without having to start a new Phase 3 study. And there's really no limitation on the start of the phase two other than the completion of the protocol, getting the sites on board, and those study-related factors.
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Hey, guys. Congrats, and thanks for taking my questions, I guess. I'm just wondering if you can comment a little more on the new prescription growth in Q1. What is sort of the relative contribution from, I guess, improved COVID situation versus sort of this new expansion to younger kids, and where do you see the trends go this year? And also, I guess, on the expansion into the pediatric population, Can you talk about maybe the dynamics that you've seen in younger kids relative to adults? And are there any particular concerns from, I guess, pediatric prescribers that you may call out on penetration into this group? Is it mostly a function of access, or are there any other considerations here as well? Thanks.
Yeah, I can take that one. So, yeah, as we've said in our prepared remarks, the NRX, you know, we're not breaking it out by age group. We're looking at overall demand. We're super excited about having over 1,200 enrollments in the quarter, the highest we've had in over, well, in about two years, and for a quarter. And that's really driven by both groups, the 4 to 11-year-olds, as well as the 12 and older. We saw growth in both those groups. In terms of dynamics in the kids versus adults, Yeah, I mean, in general, pediatricians tend to be, and parents, tend to be pretty cautious about what you put in the kids. So they're going to want to see and be convinced of a lot of the data. The good news is we got the syndication after being on the market for two years. We have a wealth of real-world experience, safety data. and experience in the real world. So we have a new formulation, for example, that was developed specifically for the kids that can be dissolved into a liquid and given to the kids that way. And lots of great patient education and parent and caregiver education that goes with it. So we're set there. In terms of concerns, no, no new concerns. I mean, if you think about it mechanistically, this is the exact place we should be going. The younger the population, stopping sickling and preventing polymerization early should have the best impact at preventing downstream effects of sickle cell disease. So we're super excited about that, and we think the parents are as well. And then penetration-wise, we're very excited about being indicated across the board for all sickle cell patients ages four and older now. So we should be able to, over time, be able to grow into more and more patients.
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