Grid Dynamics Holdings, Inc.

Good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Grid Dynamics' first quarter 2024 earnings conference call. I'm Cary Savas, Director of Branding and Communications. At this time, our participants are in listen-only mode. Joining us on the call today are CEO Leonard Lifshitz and CFO Anil Dharadla. Following their prepared remarks, we will open the call to your questions. Please note that today's conference is being recorded. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that today's discussion will contain forward-looking statements. This includes our business in a financial outlook and the answers to some of your questions. Such statements are subject to the risks and uncertainty as described in the company's earnings release and other filings with the SEC. During this call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP measures of our performance. GAAP to non-GAAP financial reconciliations and supplemental financial information are provided in the earnings press release and the 8 filed with the SEC. You can find all the information I just described in the investor relations section of our website. I now turn the call over to Leonard, our CEO.

Thank you, Kerry. Good afternoon, everyone. And thank you for joining us today. As you have seen from our published results, Green Dynamics first quarter revenues were above our guidance range, and we exceeded Wall Street expectations, both in revenue and un-gapped EBITDA. With another quarter, of solid execution. Our results clearly show that our focus is steadily paying off and we continue to move forward our stated goals of revenue growth and profitability. During the first quarter, we witnessed improving demand trends across the majority of our customers. While the demand environment is not bad to support growth level that we are in digital transformation industry have seen, science point out to the right direction. Customers are increasingly willing to engage with us on their crucial and time-sensitive programs and share their outlooks and roadmaps. In the first quarter, we witnessed a significant milestone. We've reached the highest number of billable engineers in the company's history. This also reflected in the revenue outlook for the second quarter. During the first quarter, we also secured two multi-million dollar deals with enterprise customers. One of them, a market leader and especially retail vertical, and the other one is an insurance vertical, a key focus area of our GigaCube strategy. We continue to make progress in our joint go-to-market efforts with our partners. Partnerships contribution is an all-time priority. and it has increased by more than 20% in comparison to the fourth quarter of 2023. We continue to be very positive on our partnerships and expect continued contribution. I'm also happy to announce that we were recognized by the Everest Group as a leader in its inaugural Google Cloud Services Specialist, which is Peak Metrics Assessment Report. This achievement validates our capabilities as a specialist in Google Cloud services, an area of expertise for several years. This is a clear recognition of the differentiated capabilities we offer our clients to drive their digital transformation agenda. In the course of time, I'm confident that more independent third parties will recognize our strengths across other capabilities and service offers. coming to AI. Customers are increasingly incorporating AI in their projects and requirements. Additionally, some of our customer GenAI projects have become meaningful engagements. As a large financial institution, our GenAI project has been successfully completed, and we expect that platform to go live in the second quarter. At the same time, we're not only using AI technologies with our clients, but also within our internal systems, Last week, with soft launch, our website that incorporates AI features. Our users visiting Green Dynamics website will now be able to use natural language queries to find company-related information. This includes Green Dynamics capability, work with perform at our clients, case studies, and others. Now let me make some more detailed comments about the demand environment. For many, our reported results and commentary over the past couple of quarters may appear more positive than many of our peers. There are some key reasons for that, and in my opinion, that it makes Green Dynamics unique across the IT industry. First, in the current economic cycle, spending is under heightened scrutiny. This in turn has resulted in many clients consolidating their IT partners and tightly coupling their investors with corporate performance goals. Renaming strengths and reputation for technology leadership, engineering prowess, and delivery excellence positions us as a trusted partner, often leading us to gain business at the expense of the competition. As an example, in 2024, at two of the Fortune 1000 retailers, Green Dynamics was selected as one of the two partners for all digital engineering programs. Additionally, as a large Fortune 500 telecom company, after evaluating dozens of assistance suppliers, they choose Green Dynamics for all the customer-facing applications. One of the key applications that we are rolling out at scale includes a mobile app for new customer self-installations and provisioning. Second, Now, rapidly evolving world, a company's ability to adapt and integrate new technologies define its relevance and competitive edge. With the relentless progression of disruptive technologies, business must innovate or risk obsolescence. Moreover, in a landscape marked by rising capital costs, the efficiency and speed in which innovative solutions are brought to the market are crucial. Read&X has been at the forefront of helping enterprises scale their operations through numerous technological advancements over the past two decades. The deep knowledge and robust capabilities position us not just to adapt to the change, but to drive it forward. As an example, At the large financial institution that I mentioned before, the AI assistant for financial advisors that we implemented is poised to dramatically enhance both customer experience and the efficiency of financial advice. We anticipate that this capability, when industrialized, could save the wealth management industry billions of dollars. Notably, at this financial institution, one of the few selected partners after vendor consolidation exercise in 2023, further underscoring our pivotal role in their crucial and strategic programs. Now coming to the second quarter. Positive trends that I highlighted regarding the first quarter extend into the second. Our customer activity is picking up. Engineering billable headcount continues to grow. Customers have heightened AI These factors formulate the basis for our continued positive outlook as we look into the second quarter and remainder of 2024. On CTO front, Grid Labs, our internal innovation center, completed multiple projects and initiatives. Our researchers and architects are engaged across the spectrum of innovation that include AI, data, machine learning, and commerce solutions. Like previous quarters, our architects and CTO team were instrumental in opening new accounts with new clients. As a reminder, Green Dynamics AI engagements are based on more than seven years of internal research and successful implementation. With our generative AI offering, we partner with customers to employ large language models and prompt guided image generation to the applications in product design, visualization, knowledge retrieval, wealth management, and customer service. In the quarter, there were several trends, and I want to share with you some of the notable ones. Logo momentum. Building up on our success in 2023, in the first quarter, we signed five large new enterprise customers. Of the new enterprise customers we signed in the quarter, One is a leading North American pet company. One is an American high-end sport apparel and accessory company. One is a global consumer goods company focused on personal care and health products, an energy manufacturing and service company, and one is a large multinational confectionery manufacturer. I believe each of these logos have the potential to become large top accounts, and I'm looking forward to seeing these initiatives too. Delivery location support. Grid dynamics follow the SANS strategy provides the framework of scaling our global locations. India, one of the key locations, has been growing at a rapid pace and is in top three countries and in terms of the headcount. Last quarter, I highlighted the opening of the third office in India. This location in Bangalore is quickly becoming popular with our clients. In the first quarter, we had multiple visits from our U.S.-based clients across all our key offshore locations. We continue to attract high-quality talent out of universities, and our activities with internships, hackathons, and dynamic talks are paying off. Additionally, we brought on an industry veteran to lead our India operation, And with his addition, I'm confident of many positive things happening in India. In Europe, Poland continues to be our anchor point. And in Latin America, Mexico remains the key location to support our clients seeking near shore capabilities. European business. Our European business is steadily diversifying beyond traditional areas of strength, such as retail and CPG. Additionally, the pipeline of the business is more distributed with clients spread over mainland Europe. For a global auto parts company, we are rolling out their Composable Commerce Modernization Platform across several brands within Europe, supporting them by establishing a multi-location global team structure. In Q1, we successfully delivered an ESG initiative for a large clean energy company. At many clients, GenAI continues to be a door opener. Additionally, several of our customers have transitioned from exploratory and proof of concepts to commercial build-outs. For example, at a leading legal and tech service company, we are building a flagship platform for their new market. For a global international medical device company, we continue working on multiple initiatives to improve sales efficiency. In 2023, partnerships contributed to 13% of our overall revenue and we aim to increase that share to at least 16% in 2024. Partnerships with hyperscalers and leading software vendors is a key part of our GigaCube strategy. In the first quarter, we made progress with our go-to-market efforts with our partners and upgraded our status with a major hyperscaler. At AWS, we achieved the AWS World Architecture Partner status. The program enables Grid Dynamics to provide its client with an audit of their platform architecture, ensuring they are configured correctly in accordance with the best practices. With NVIDIA, we're exploring go-to-market initiatives for the first time. During the quarter, Grid Dynamics delivered some notable projects. For a leading global technology company, we created a test automation toolkit that improved the efficiency and effectiveness of the testing processes. Featuring a collection of independent modules, each with unified interface, the client was able to streamline the testing process and enjoy greater visibility into testing outcomes. This project enabled the client issue resolution taken from days down to minutes, leading to faster time to market and ultimately enhancing the quality of the final product. For a leading internet and cloud company, we streamline the release preparation process for high priority apps in its app store. We develop tools that enable the client to submit releases that foster better communication between departments. These tools help accelerate the app release process, which enable the client to better predict release timing, monitor updates, and improve the overall user experience. For a major CPG brand, we implemented an omnichannel warehouse automation platform. This platform unifies several software interfaces, which dramatically lowers the cost of integrating new distribution centers in the client network, while also supporting the unique fulfillment requirements of wholesale retail and digital channels. In addition, we implemented a wholesale order platform that lowers the cost of serving new wholesale clients. Both of these platforms are expected to be expanded to multiple geographies in upcoming months. For a global automotive manufacturer, we began a project aimed at improving interactions with dealers. Through the use of micro front-ends and AI-enabled personalized experiences, this project will enable dealers to deliver more comprehensive sales and services to their end customers. customers. With that, let me turn the call over to Anil, who will discuss QR results and more details. Anil?

Thanks, Leonard. Good afternoon, everyone. Our first quarter revenue of 79.8% industry vertical, our finance and other verticals were the strongest, both on a year-over-year basis and sequential growth basis. During the first quarter, our retail and T&T were the two largest verticals at 30.9% and 30.1% of our revenues, respectively. Our retail vertical remained flat on a sequential basis and decreased by 3% on a year-over-year basis. On a sequential basis, we witnessed growth TMT remained flat on a sequential basis and decreased by 10.4% on a year-over-year basis. Coming to our largest customer in our TMT vertical, it grew both on a sequential and year-over-year basis. Here are the details of the revenue mix of other verticals. Our CPG and manufacturing represented 12% of our revenue in the first quarter, a decrease of 1.2% on a sequential basis and 24.4% on a year-over-year basis. On a sequential basis, our largest CPG customer grew in the quarter, and this was offset by decrease at other customers. The financial vertical represented 12.8% of revenue, an increase of 23.7% on a sequential basis, and 57.2% on a year-over-year basis. During the quarter, we witnessed growth across most of our customers that range from financial, technology, banking, and insurance. Our newly disaggregated healthcare and pharma represented 3.8% of our revenue showed decline of 10.5% on a sequential basis and 4.5% decrease on a year-over-year basis. And finally, the other vertical represented 10.4% of our first quarter revenue and was up 4.5% on a sequential basis and 50.1% on a year-over-year basis. of them in the clean energy and legal space. We ended the first quarter with a total headcount of 3,892, down from 3,920 employees in the fourth quarter of 2023 and up from 3,744 in the first quarter of 2023. In comparison to the fourth quarter, we exited our first quarter with a higher billable headcount due to improving demand. At the end of the first quarter of 2024, our total US headcount was 332 or 8.5% of our company's total headcount versus 8.1% in the year-ago quarter. Our non-US headcount located in Europe, Americas, and India was 3,560 or 91.5%. In the first quarter, revenues from our top five and top 10 customers were 39.6% and 55% During the first quarter, we had a total of 210 customers down from 218 in the fourth quarter of 2023 and 220 in the year-over-quarter. During the quarter, we added several customers, some of which Leonard referred to in his prepared remarks. The quarterly decline in the number of customers was primarily driven by our continued efforts to rationalize our portfolio of non-strategic customers. Moving to the income statement, Our GAAP gross profit during the quarter was 27.7 million or 34.7% compared to 28.1 million or 36% in the fourth quarter of 2023 and down from 28.6 million or 35.7% in the year-over-quarter. On a non-GAAP basis, our gross profit was 28.1 million or 35.3% down from 28.6 million or 36.6% in the fourth quarter of 2023 and down from 29 million or 36.3% in the year-over-quarter. The decrease in gross margin as a percentage on a sequential basis was driven by a combination of first quarter seasonal increase in employee-related costs and FX headwinds. Non-GAAP EBITDA during the first quarter that excluded stock-based compensation, depreciation and amortization, restructuring and expenses related to the geographic reorganization, transaction and other related costs was 10.3 million or 12.9% of sales versus 10.7 million of 13.7% of sales in the fourth quarter of 2023 and down from 10.8 million or 13.5% in the year-old quarter. The decline in non-GAAP EBITDA was largely due to decrease in gross margins. Our GAAP net loss or a loss of 5 cents based on basic share count of 76.2 million shares compared to the fourth quarter income of 2.9 million or 4 cents based on a basic share count of 75.7 million and a loss of 8 million or 11 cents per share based on 74.5 million basic shares in the year-ago quarter. The year-over-year decrease in gap net loss was largely due to lower levels of stock-based compensation and decrease in provision of income taxes partially offset by depreciation and amortization. On a non-gap basis, in the first quarter, our non-gap net income was $5.2 million or $0.07 per share based on 78.4 million diluted shares compared to the fourth quarter non-gap net income of $5.7 million or $0.07 per share based on 78 million diluted shares and 6.5 million, or 8 cents per share, based on 77 million shares in the year-ago quarter. On March 31, 2024, our cash and cash equivalents totaled $249.4 million, down from $257.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2023. Coming to our second quarter guidance, we expect revenues to be in the range of $80 million to $82 million, We expect our non-GAAP EBITDA in the second quarter to be in the range of 10.5 million to 11.5 million. For the second quarter of 2024, we expect our basic share count to be in the range of 77 to 78 million and our diluted share count to be in the range of 79 to 80 million. That concludes my prepared remarks. We are now ready to take questions.

Hello, everyone. As we go through the Q&A session of this call, I will first announce your name. At that point, please unmute your mic and turn on your camera. Our first question today comes from Puneet Jain of JP Morgan. Puneet, the line is open. Go ahead, please.

Hey, thanks for taking my question. A really nice set of results here. So let me ask what drove the upside relative to the guidance. You grew sequentially in first quarter and then expect growth in the second quarter as well. What drove those positive trends given many data points suggested continued sluggishness in the spending environment in this industry?

Thank you, Puneet. Good to have you on the call. It didn't come as a surprise to us. As you recall, at the end of the report last time, when we talk about the results of 2023, I kind of hinted that the continued growth is going to happen. So I'm still bullish, not only on guidance for Q2, but subsequent growth as we go forward, we'll be happy to discuss some of those subtleties. But ultimately, What Grid Dynamics really sees is that despite continuous scrutiny around the budgets from the major global companies, there is a demand for institutionalize the additional technology spendings. So if you look at the last 18 months, a lot of companies clamped down on all the spending. Now we see the opening comes to basically innovate and generate more competitive advantages by stepping up into the unique area relates to the data management, machine learning, obviously some AI modules, but more important, this whole comprehensive question, how to tight the, business value with a predictable nature of the digital side of the business. So that's why we see kind of notable examples of the clients who started with us in 2023 or even more stable clients who've been with us for longer time now have projection of the budgets for extended period of time and green dynamics part of the journey. The other thing which we mentioned in remarks that We see that some of the reduction of the preferred suppliers start playing some dividends to Green Dynamics, staying on the kind of a cutting edge of work with the clients relentlessly pushing the proposals of tight technology and business goals. And again, they're paying off because we are being awarded with a longer term business to come.

And Puneet, building up on your comment on where did all the upside come, I think the way we could characterize this, when we met you guys in late February, we have a certain outlook. And as the time evolved and as the business evolved, we see improvements across. So while I would say that we saw it more widespread relative to what our expectations were,

uh obviously that has showed up in the results yeah no it's it's great like it's just like i was just curious because uh the upside or the positive trend seemed different from many other companies that have reported in this results let me ask longer term like so beyond this year's we get a lot of questions from investors about ai headbands like that ai creates opportunities to be more productive in coding efforts How should we think about new normal growth for the sector given increasing AI adoption?

Well, obviously, this question comes back every time we discuss not only with investors, but more notably with the clients, right? At this moment, the choice of the models, platforms, co-pilots still remain very broad. And as we have in being engaging in a, as you know, well, Green Dynamics in a open source solutions together with the more traditional models, we explore multiple venues. We work with the clients who understand and appreciate the Microsoft stack or for that matter, you know, the AWS. We obviously very tight with the partnership Google in multiple fronts. But even the others, like, for example, you know, the meta version of the open source product like Lama, we apply our general broader knowledge of what we believe is a right for the customer, including their own capabilities, their own models, the trainability of those models, the specialization of domains, and basically verticalize the proposals where we test those models and expand across the technical capabilities on a horizontal slice. So it's a disruptive world. And one of the good things for Green Dynamics, if you look at our 18 years of history, we strive in a disruption time. This is where when we talk about not just peers, we're talking about this world of innovation. Everybody talks about it, but when it comes to the clients, they don't want to just clarity. They want to ROIs. And that goes way beyond the white papers and hypotheses. You need to work with them diligently to see how their attempts to build in systems actually convert into the proven results, because the variances are still large. So I would believe that we are at the forefront of those innovations, not mentioning the partnerships. We have the key players, not only the hyperscalers, but actually the leaders in AI space, including the hardware.

Thank you. Thank you, Puneet. Thank you.

Thank you, Puneet. The next question goes to Mayank Tandem at Needham. Mayank, the line is open. Please go ahead.

Great. Hi, Leonard. Daniel, how are you? Good. Let me start with the question on the guidance. So, Anil, if I take the top end of the guidance that assumes a nice acceleration sequentially, just building off that, should we expect further acceleration in the back half? I know you're not giving formal guidance, but just maybe anecdotally or qualitatively, any color on what you're hearing from clients. Is this sustained acceleration or are we still sort of in this uneven climate where it's a little bit hard to predict?

So Mike, let me give the official answer and Leonard will jump into more qualitative. Look, we do one quarter at a time, right? In Leonard's prepared remarks, he made some comments, right? And again, if you look at the trends over the last couple of quarters, it's very consistent what we're doing. I don't want to say anything beyond our guidance in Q2, but fair to say we are positive for 2024. But Leonard, I'll let you talk about maybe a little bit more.

So my, as always, the weight is on my shoulders. So now let me tell you this. We continue to hire and expand. The headcount you see right now doesn't fully reflect the growth because we were able to optimize the headcount toward gearing toward new demand. So if you look at the number of billable headcount, which is constantly growing and growing week after week, I just got new results of April, right? So it all looks good. We are basically applying some of the productivity tools internally to make sure we can reach to a broader audience of engineers to reach the goals internal capabilities, and that includes production. All three main facets, the internship program, grid university, and grid lab. So on a supply side, we're fully prepared for growth. On a demand side, look, I'm bullish beyond Q2. That's very clear. Now, when I gave a guidance in February that it's going to be the record quarter, that kind of fills in the range. So without speaking, you may have some conclusions where we're going to be. Again, we're only in the first month, so we are comfortable with our guidance, right? And if we go further, I believe we will crush the market from our capabilities. Now, whether we're going to crush the market from the numbers, that would take a little time, but you know, Some people were questioning why I was not smiling last couple of quarters. Now you got my smile. So that's probably the best indication where our technology capability geared toward our business.

That's very helpful. Thank you for that. Then I have a quick follow-up. Anil, I wanted to ask you about margins. If I look at gross margins, this is probably the lowest that we've seen, at least in recent history. Could you sort of square that with where utilization is, pricing conversations? You know, what's driving that? And if demand does start to improve, should we expect margins to follow suit? Thank you.

So coming to your second part, the answer is yes, right? There's leverage in the model. Now, Without going through all the numbers and finer details, there are many moving parts to it. There's an FX impact also, as we have some of these costs that was a headwind. And you know, over the last 12 months, what is going on across the industry, right? Across our evolution. That has had some impacts and you're seeing that. And more importantly, Q1 tends to be seasonally a quarter where you have, you know, some of the payroll related issues, employee related taxes hit us. So every year you see that. Obviously, you know, with the revenue trends being the way they are, you see a little bit more, I would say, a little bit more on the margin front pressures in Q1. But again, as the year evolves, and you can see this even with our guidance, you know, we will move in the right direction. Again, from a long term, our model has not changed, but we'll just have to work through it over the next couple of quarters.

Do you want more details or are you okay with answers? If you do want more details, the thing is Central Europe is more expensive than Eastern Europe. Everybody knows it. It's a well-known secret. As we grew our position in Poland and other countries around the region, obviously there was a penalty associated with the incremental cost. We added the variance in Mexico. We had the inflated PASA situation, but The key resolution for our business, obviously, with the growth of India, that's where we deliver our marginality is evidently improving. But there is another thing is we're actually striving right now for a significant improvement of the marginality in Europe as well. Now, we are a broader country with a more stable workforce. Sadly, now the war in Ukraine continues to ravage, but we are reducing our dependency And, you know, it will continue to invest into the more what they call stable territories. So I would say that seasonality, which Anil told you about, reflects our current status quo. I believe in Q2 we will see some pickup. But also to me, this 2040 model, even though it seems quite remote right now, the revenue will need to demonstrate our catch up on the margin, not adversely planted. We're not intending to buy the business because technology is so critical, then the value of what we do has to propagate to the results, right? So as revenue grows, I see the margin improvements. The other part of this, not only in the margin on EBITDA side, we have not lowered our technology investment, which again, it's a trade-off. You need to persevere the flatness, which was quite long. So we're bullish, but the numbers will tell you the true story.

Perfect. Very helpful. Thank you so much. Great job on the quarter. Thank you, Mike.

Thank you, Mayak. The next question comes from Brian Bergen of Cohen. Brian, the line is open. Please go ahead.

Hey, thanks. Good afternoon. Zach Azeman on for Brian. Our first question on demand. Are you comfortable that historic large clients that have caused pressure in the recent past are at least stable here, offering that foundation for growth reacceleration as new enterprise logos won over the next last 12 months continue to scale?

All right. Let me take the first part. I think I knew we'll go there. There's no evidence today of any large customer declining with re-dynamics. We're in April. We kind of understand the trend of this year. Not going to work. Things do happen, but it's stable to positive. So we continue to generate the new enterprise clients. If you notice, we did reduce a bit of those smaller clients in the commercial side because there is a dichotomy goes on, you know, survival of the fittest. So some of the small guys actually struggling with their innovation and funding. But nevertheless, we expand the market too. So if you look at our growth, it goes not just traditionally with the CPG and retail, but it's also expanding quite a bit into the fintech part of the BSFI. We are gaining momentum in the life science supply chain. We got our first good step into the insurance business. And it happens on a stable to positive foundation of our major lead clients.

So Zach, building upon that, I'll just reiterate it slightly different. Your observation is astute and right on. If you look at our second quarter guidance, we're reverting to year-over-year growth right after that trend is reversed after a couple of quarters. And the underlying trends point that out very well, both in terms of existing and new ones. New clients were always good for us, right? The existing clients moved the needle for us, and that is changing now.

Very helpful. And then the follow-up on GenAI, obviously interest here continues to swell. We've also heard anecdotes that it has impacted the pace of client decision-making as customers try to figure out what to do with the technology. If you're seeing this, what do you think needs to happen for this trend to loosen up?

A very loaded question. I can get you entertained with having this, you know, distinguished CFO answering. Fun for me to watch. I mentioned in the first remarks when we talked with Puneet that grid dynamics goes very broad. And the benefits sometimes are not trivial from the purely direct savings. So we have one of a very large legal customer and they're doing a lot of simplification of the work. That will tell how good the savings will be. We implemented a big portion of the work with the financial wealth management plan, but there are enterprise type of solution. When it comes to purely, you know, journey of AI, it's almost anecdotal right now, which projects will combine some of the work from the, from the communicational part, right? So, there are many things read mx has done in the past you know we did natural language plus a vector search we're doing all kind of features now enabled by ai so i would say that to be very precise the scale of the results with the models being more solidified with the bespoke custom solutions are becoming more evident but if you use a generic model without proper

understanding of the ways that people may not see all the results right away that's very helpful thanks of course thank you thank you our next question comes from josh sigler at cancer fitzgerald josh the line is open please proceed

Yeah. Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question today. I appreciate it. First and foremost, congratulations on the strong results here. I was wondering if you could dive a little bit deeper into any geographies that you're particularly excited about as you progress through the year from a demand perspective.

Well, as a demand, U.S. market remains to be the most critical for us, so there's no question about it. If you look even at Centros or Gravitas, we are actually scaling out technical competence centers beyond Bay Area. We zeroed in on Dallas for a while. We're adding our office and capabilities in Atlanta area. We are very strongly present in Jersey, Boston expansion, and of course, you know, Midwest, as well as not only the California, but also Arizona, following the trend of the expansion of some of our clients, as well as the trend of the, you know, stacks on the software side driven by the major hardware companies. So, um, it's, it's, um, it's a revolutionized technology in US where we are stronger. So that's very clear. Same that, uh, Europe has started to pay some dividends. Uh, it's a bit below my, uh, ambitions yet. in terms of the growth in Europe, but we see that the traction in Europe and the first wins come outside of our traditional retail sense. And I'm not talking about small deals. I'm talking about consistent growth. And we see that pick up in manufacturing. We see it pick up in growing and approaching automotive industrial part. And outside of these two regions, we have, I would say, the first, I would say, not it's not tangible yet but the big part of our um growth engagement happened with the our clients both united states and european captive centers in india so india has become our revenue growth through the influence of the local uh innovative technology centers which are part of the global companies and we just announced uh hiring our head of india as well so i would say as a brush strokes That's how I see the demand environment regionally.

Great. That's a really helpful color, Leonard. Appreciate that. And then I was also curious, you know, I probably ask this far too often, but we'd love to get a better understanding for how you're thinking about M&A currently, if there's been any shift in terms of your perspective on inorganic growth since last we talked. Okay.

Well, you see, uh, M&A at the end of the day is when we announce, we announce, and that the proof is in the pudding when we have. If you look at the pipeline, if you look at the activity, it continues to be robust. If you, if I look back at the last call it seven, eight months, and you know, we did a little bit of analysis, what is going on on our M&A, we would have liked to announce a couple of deals before. We see certain trends, whether it is through, you know, some of non-strategics, you know, who are willing to maybe be a little bit more aggressive. We see in many cases where our standards are very high, which means that unless we really feel that there's a strategic fit, capability fit, we're just not going to do it. And more importantly, in the last 12 months, as Leonard pointed out, We did not buy revenues. So we're not going to be using that as an excuse. We really want to ensure that we get the fit. At this stage, as I said, the pipeline is there. We will announce when we have to announce. But as I said, the proof is in the pudding when these things come.

Yeah, understood. Thanks, Neil.

Thank you, Josh.

Thank you, Josh. Our next question comes from Ryan Potter of Citigroup. The line is open. Go ahead, Ryan.

Hey, thanks for taking my question. You mentioned in your prepared remarks some of the successes you've had with some of your larger enterprise clients in terms of earning wallet share. What do you believe are some of the drivers of this success? Do you believe it's solely based on your capability that you're continuing to take share, or do you believe some of these clients are also turning to you more because of your more global delivery model with your follow-up enterprise?

You know, it's a bit of both. We definitely see the turnaround in the customers, as I mentioned earlier in one of those Q&A discussions that our clients need to invest in innovation. So that's kind of a demand driven from them. But on the other hand is those smaller projects on a technology side, AI, still digital, some of the migration partnerships, enhancing their features, their implementation parts have been proven successful. So when it comes to the budgeting innovation, it's very hard. At the same time, if nothing else, that's Q1 is for. Remember in the old time, it was a Q4 deal, right? People kind of start defining their budgets in Q4. Now it's happening more in which is kind of worked with kind of tale of some of the proof of concepts and the smaller innovation projects from us, because those models and the expansion of the tools related to technology actually works very well. And I would say that at least six or seven clients, they actually created this demand for innovation. And then you have to be, in some cases, a bit more proactive. In some cases, you participate in the bids. But more important than not, the technical leaders of the clients look at us from the history of the recent engagements to understand what we suggest. So things are converting. And it may not be a very straight answer to the question you asked, but just to summarize it, it's both client wants more, And we offer more. And that combination helps us to stay on a growth trajectory.

Got it. That all makes sense. You touched a couple times on the finance vertical. In particular, you saw pretty strong growth there in the quarter. So could you comment on some of the drivers of the success you're seeing there? Is it with certain types of clients, certain types of projects, and then kind of the opportunity you see in that vertical going forward?

Yeah.

So it is fintech to them.

larger size of the growth. And there are, as you know, Green Dynamics still has certain, you know, scope of the strategic clients. They're not infinite. So, but they're very formidable. So, and a few of them, we see that continuous growth and, you know, and actually to some extent exponential growth. Now we're reaching a, I would say, critical mass. and why we're not like we're not creating a new you know fintech models right we just work on the projects and we combine the open source capability with the partnership which will continue to expand on their specialized tools which based on our internal development allows us to uh offer the pods so the teams of people who are basically driving not just innovation, but given ROI successes. And that actually turns as a result in a scalable revenue. So the fintech is by far the biggest impact, and it will continue for a foreseeable future. The other area which I like, you know, again, it's less evident revenue. from the numbers, but it started creeping up. It's a wealth management in a broader sense. In the broader sense, because as you know, the more and more people are kind of putting money into the various investments and technology drives it, automation beyond belief, right? So many, many things go beyond the advisors who have only so much capacity. So as a whole industry is going through the breakthrough It's a little bit too early to talk about insurance or our contribution to insurance, but it's another lack of the growth we see. So FinTech, wealth management, insurance.

Got it. Thanks again.

Thank you, Ryan.

Thank you. Hi. The next question is from Maggie Noland. Maggie, your line is open. Please proceed.

hi thank you you continue to have nice new logo additions i was curious about the pace of conversion to revenue are there any patterns in either delays in the conversion or a pickup in the conversion time for uh new logos or any bookings across your client base so in q1 it was a pickup uh you know every quarter there we talk about

trade-offs between acquiring new clients and then potentially maybe tightening the budget with existing clients, right? When we have more stable platform of the existing clients, the pickups are more audible because we can actually double down on the work with these guys without firefighting on the existing logo front. It doesn't mean we reduce an eye on the existing clients. It's just because it's more predictable process. So we have more capabilities on the technology side. We have a better approach, again, with our own AI tools for the hiring so that we are bringing people on board and train them much faster pace than ever. And retain, by the way, as well. And we also, so we can scale more. And we also have the reputation, which helps us with some of the new clients through obviously referrals. That's always the big thing. The other one through the, you know, our marketing, I would say technical marketing. And the third one through our partnerships. So if you look at the scale, the rate of growth, and of course, in each of those channels, it's a bit different propagation, but The traditional land and expand model going from innovation project to the scalable business a bit improved and now some of those projects scale virtually from the get go.

And Maggie adding one point, if you recall in Leonard's prepared remarks, he talked about some large deals right and some of this was even with new logos that helped us.

Very good. And then it seemed like to me the theme of the quarter is maybe stabilization and even slight improvement. So I wanted to double click on the CPG and manufacturing vertical to better understand the dynamic there on one of maybe the more of the pain points and whether or not you expect that trend to continue from here.

So as you know, Over the last couple of quarters, CPG Vertical had a certain cadence of growth driven by some of our larger CPG. What we are seeing there is there are many moving parts, but the good news is that, number one, one of our largest CPG has not only stabilized, but has reverted in growth in the quarter. And obviously, aiding to that, we've had a couple of other logos. How it plays out every 90 days, every vertical, as you know, Maggie, it depends, right? I mean, but it's fair to say, CPG manufacturing, like the rest of the industry, things have stabilized and we are more positive.

Yeah, I don't know why both guys use the word stabilization. I mean, some of the numbers go up and down, but it's a tremendous upside. I mean, the logos were just acquired, for example, from that particular field. not only go from get-go, but the tasks are extremely ambitious. So I think if you look at, for example, junior February, they may kind of a bit mask the dynamics. But I see that this whole spectrum of the CPG clients are expanding. Now, manufacturing, I agree with you. We're not stable yet. So I would actually separate those two things. So CPG, know shutting up quite a bit and some of those big industrial guys manufacturing i think we uh we have work to do um for q2 and more so i'm very very bullish on cpgs and uh and manufacturing we we have worked very helpful thank you thank you ladies and gentlemen this concludes the q a session for today's call i will now pass the call back to leonard

our CEO, for closing comments.

Thank you, everybody, for joining us on today's call. Our first quarter results continue the theme we highlighted in the past, steady improvement in our business. While the current economic uncertainties cannot be overlooked, we're highly focused on execution and wallet share at our new and existing customers. The rise of AI and the paradigm shift in the way enterprises use technology to leapfrog from their current levels requires to work with a competent partner. Our capabilities, history of solving complex business problems with technology, and our track record of making positive effects to our customers positions grid dynamics well. Our future looks bright. And I look forward to share all the exciting news in the next earnings call. Thank you.