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spk07: Good day and welcome to the Geospace Technologies Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. Hosting the call today from Geospace is Mr. Rick Wheeler, President and Chief Executive Officer. He is joined by Robert Curdo, Company's Chief Financial Officer, and Mark Tinker, CEO of Geospace Subsidiary Quantum Technology Sciences. This call is being recorded and will be available on the Geospace Technologies Investor Relations website following the call. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode, and the floor will be open for your questions following the presentation. If you would like to ask a question at that time, please press star and one on your touch-tone phone. If at any point your question has been answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing the pound key. We do ask that you please pick up your handset to allow optimal sound quality. Lastly, if you should require operator assistance, press star zero. And it's now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Rick Wheeler. Please go ahead.
spk11: Thank you, Keith. Good morning, and welcome to Geospace Technology's conference call for the third quarter of our 2020 fiscal year. I'm Rick Wheeler, the company's president and chief executive officer, and I'm joined by Robert Curta, the company's chief financial officer. We also have with us Dr. Mark Tinker, CEO of our Quantum Technology Sciences subsidiary. I'll first give an overview of the third quarter and Robert will follow with some in-depth commentary on our financial performance. I'll then make a few last remarks before opening the line so that Robert, Mark, and I can answer questions. Some of today's statements may be considered forward-looking as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including comments about product markets, revenue recognition, planned operations, and capital expenditures. These statements are based on our present awareness, while actual outcomes are affected by uncertainties and other factors we can't control or predict. Both known and unknown risks can lead to undesirable results or performance differences from what we say or imply today, and such risks and uncertainties include those discussed in our SEC Forms 10-K and 10-Q filings. For convenience, as was mentioned, we will link a recording of this call on the investor relations page of our geospace.com website. However, since the information discussed this morning is time sensitive, it may not be accurate at the time one listens to the replay. Yesterday, after the market closed, we released the financial results for our third quarter of fiscal year 2020, ended June 30, 2020. As reported, we were very pleased that the coronavirus pandemic, gripping both our country and the world at large, had limited impact on our third quarter performance. Even more gratifying, our employees have been minimally affected by COVID-19, and to date, our heightened and evolving safety protocols have helped us in maintaining a safe working environment. While our operations have not entirely escaped the vast negative impact of this pandemic, we were nonetheless pleased to report that total revenue of $22.7 million and $66.3 million for the respective three- and nine-month periods into June 30, 2020, were very similar to last year's three- and nine-month totals. Continued strong demand for our marine ocean bottom nodal recording systems fueled both our third quarter and nine-month results. In fact, increased demand for these systems acted to counter some of the weakness we experienced in demand for other products in our oil and gas segments as well as in our adjacent markets business, both of which were negatively impacted by the effects of COVID-19. As was also mentioned, reported revenue did not include additional timely payments we received from a customer toward its promissory note to secure the purchase of a GCL land recording system comprised of 30,000 channels. These paid-in amounts, totaling $3.8 million through the end of the third quarter, are included on the balance sheet as part of the non-current deferred revenue and are intended to be recognized as revenue at a later date when the collection of the note is determined to be likely. For the three months ended June 30, 2020, revenue from our combined oil and gas market products totaled $17.5 million, and for the similarly ended nine-month period, revenue totaled $47.5 million. These figures reflect respective increases of 21% and 8% over last year's similar periods. And in both periods, the increases are attributed to the greater demand for our OBX ocean bottom recording systems, which were partially offset by lower demand for some of our other oil and gas segment product lines. Our traditional seismic products generated $1.2 million and $5.6 million, respectively, in the three- and nine-month periods dated June 30, 2020. Both periods reflect notable declines from last year, which we attribute to lower demand for seismic sensors as a result of fewer seismic exploration and imaging projects being performed by oil and gas companies. Moreover, due to low oil prices, oversupplies of crude, and the large drop in global demand for oil and gas amidst the COVID-19 pandemic, we expect revenue from these products to remain challenged for the foreseeable future. In the three- and nine-month periods into June 30, 2020, revenue produced from our wireless seismic products totaled $16.1 million and $41.1 million, respectively. These reflected increases over last year's equivalent periods and are a direct result of expanded rentals of our OBX marine noble recording systems, even though partially offset by lower sales of our wireless land products. As previously mentioned, we have not yet recorded revenue from the delivery of the aforementioned 30,000-channel GCL land system, which has a sales value of $12.5 million. The growth in demand for our OBX system derives from a renewed focus by many oil and gas companies to better leverage existing offshore resources in the recovery of discovered and nearby fields. Ocean bottom seismic surveys, which often utilize our OBX systems, increase the likelihood of success in these endeavors by producing a superior geological image over other survey methods. Note that the frequency and extent of ocean bottom surveys can fluctuate with weather and seasonal changes and are subject to being negatively impacted by the declines in global demand for oil and gas brought on by COVID-19. Our reservoir seismic products generated revenue of $271,000 and $826,000 in the three- and nine-month periods that ended June 30, 2020. Both figures reflect reductions compared to last year's similar periods as a consequence of lower sales of borehole seismic tools and lesser demand for our performed services. We maintain that contracts for the manufacture and installation of permanent reservoir monitoring, or PRM, systems hold the largest opportunity for meaningful revenue from this product category. And while the COVID-19 pandemic did disrupt some of our discussions with oil and gas companies interested in such systems, most have remained ongoing or have since resumed. And based on these discussions, we currently believe a tender for a PRM system is likely to be released sometime in calendar year 2020. We further believe that our broad portfolio of PRM accomplishments and the diversity of our systems which offer both electrical and opto-sized fiber optic sensing technologies, maximize our ability to be awarded a released PRM tender. If such a tender occurs and a contract is subsequently awarded to Geospace, we would not expect to recognize revenue related to the contract until later in the 2021 fiscal year or beyond. Our adjacent market segment produced revenue of $5.1 million and $18.3 million in the three and nine-month periods into June 30, 2020. These respective reductions of 38% and 17% compared to last year's same three and nine-month periods are the result of lower demand for industrial sensors and contract manufacturing services, as well as lower sales of our graphic imaging products. In addition, lower demand for our water meter connectors and cables further contributed to this reduction in the recent third quarter. In all cases, we believe the lower demand for these products is primarily affiliated with the economic impact the COVID-19 pandemic is having on our customers. Our emerging market segment, which is essentially our quantum subsidiary, generated revenue of $88,000 and $557,000 in the respective three and nine-month periods into June 30, 2020. Included in these figures is early revenue recognized from site preparation and engineering activities related to the contract awarded to Quantum by the U.S. Border Patrol. Revenue in the nine-month period also includes the sale of border and perimeter security products to a commercial customer. As you may recall, Quantum was awarded a $10 million contract in April 2020 to provide a technology solution to the Department of Homeland Security for the U.S. Customs and Border Protection U.S. Border Patrol. and current execution of the contract is progressing on schedule. However, the company does not expect significant revenue from the contract until the first quarter of fiscal year 2021, which ends December 31, 2020. Quantum remains a keystone element of our strategy to leverage our longstanding competencies in the design and manufacture of seismic acoustic technology in combination with advanced analytics to create products that that expand revenue from diversified markets outside of our oil and gas segment. At this point, I'll now turn the call over to Robert so he can give you more financial detail.
spk01: Thanks, Rick, and good morning everyone. I'd like to remind everyone that we will not provide any specific revenue or earnings guidance during our call this morning. Before I discuss our financial results for the third quarter ended June 30th, 2020, I want to briefly explain our correction of the accounting error that impacted our first and second quarter financial statements. The error relates to the timing of an $8 million receivable write-off as we reported in our second quarter. We adopted a new leasing standard called ASC Topic 842 in fiscal year 2020. In our first quarter, we properly applied the new leasing standard by transitioning to a cash basis revenue recognition for an international customer who was having difficulty paying its debts. And we determined that collection of their future lease payments was not probable. At that time, we also determined that an $8 million receivable owed to the company by the customer was fully collectible based upon a promised security interest in a significant asset of the customer. During our second quarter, as negotiations with the customer continued, the promised security interest became diluted with other creditor claims and it became unclear whether a deal would ever be concluded with the customer. As a result, we decided to write off the receivable by recording an $8 million bad debt expense in our second quarter. After filing our second quarter financial statements with the SEC, we concluded our previously issued consolidated financial statements for the first quarter ended December 2019, and the second quarter ended March 31, 2020, contained two accounting errors with respect to the application of the new leasing standard. First, ASE Topic 842 required the immediate write-off in our first quarter of the customer's accounts receivable when we determined collection of future rental billings was not probable. When management determines leased revenue collectability is not probable, the standard limits leased revenue to the cash paid by the customer. This limit requires the write-off of all existing receivables, even if the receivable is deemed fully collectible by management. Second, ASC Topic 842 required the receivable write-off to be recorded as a reduction of lease revenue, rather than as a bad debt expense. We have revised our unaudited consolidated balance sheet at December 31, 2019, our unaudited statements of operation for the three months ended December 31st, 2019, and our unaudited statements of operation for the three and six months ended March 31st, 2020 to correct identified errors. The correction has no impact on our operating loss or net income for the six months ended March 31st, 2020, nor did it have a net impact on cash flows from operating activities For the three months ended December 31st, 2019, and for the six months ended March 31st, 2020. In yesterday's press release, our third quarter ended June 30th, 2020. We reported revenue of $22.7 million compared to last year's revenue of $22.9. The net loss for the quarter was $2.3 million or 17 cents per diluted share. compared to last year's net loss of 3.7 million or 27 cents per diluted share. For the nine months ended June 30th, 2020, we reported revenue of 66.3 million compared to revenue of 66.9 million last year. Our net loss for the nine-month period was 15.4 million or $1.14 per diluted share compared to the last year's net loss of 8.8 million or 66 cents per diluted share. A breakdown of our oil and gas product revenue. Our traditional product revenue for the third quarter was $1.2 million, a decrease of 46% compared to revenue of $2.2 million last year. Traditional product revenue for the nine months of 2020 was $5.6 million, a decrease of 38% compared to revenue of $8.9 million last year. Both periods' decrease is due to a lower demand for traditional sensor products. We believe revenue for these products will be challenged in the foreseeable future due to low oil prices, oversupply of crude oil, and the drop in demand for oil and gas as a result of the COVID-19 pandemic. Our wireless product revenue for the quarter was $16.1 million, an increase of 36% compared to revenue of $11.9 million last year. Wireless product revenue for the nine months was $41.1 million, an increase of 25% compared to revenue of $32.8 million for the same period of 2019. The increase in revenue for both periods is due to higher rental demand and utilization of our OBX marine nodal system. As a reminder, we have not recognized revenue in fiscal year 2020, a $12.5 million GCL product sale delivered in the second quarter, secured by a $10 million promissory note. As of June 30, 2020, we have received $3.8 million in cash by way of a deposit and monthly note payments from our customer. I am pleased to note to date the customer is current on all payment obligations. The cash payments received and the cost of revenue associated with the sale have been recorded on our balance sheet as part of long-term deferred revenue and long-term deferred cost of revenues. We plan to recognize the revenue and cost of revenue on this transaction when we determine collection of the promissory note is probable. Our reservoir product revenue for the third quarter was $271,000, a decrease of 39% compared to revenue of $447,000 last year. Reservoir product revenue for nine months was $826,000. It decreased to 66% compared to revenue of $2.4 million last year. The decrease for the three and nine-month periods reflect reduced sales and service of our borehole tools. We do not expect meaningful revenue from these products unless and until we are engaged in a contract for the delivery of a permanent reservoir monitoring system. We believe a tender for a PRM system could be released in calendar year 2020 or soon after. Should we be awarded a tender, we do not expect to recognize any PRM-related revenue until later in fiscal year 2021 or beyond. Moving on to our adjacent markets product segment, our industrial product revenue for the third quarter of fiscal year 2020 was 3.3%. $4 million, a decrease of 37% over the third quarter of 2019. Industrial products nine-month revenue for fiscal year 2020 is $11.2 million, a decrease over the same period in 2019 of 14%. The decrease in revenue in both periods is due to lower demand for industrial sensors and contract manufacturing services. The decrease in the three-month period is due to lower demand for our water meter cable and connector products. We believe the lower demand for these products is primarily due to the economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on our customers. Imaging product revenue for the third quarter was $1.7 million, a decrease of 41% compared to last year's revenue of $2.9 million. This decrease is due to reduced demand for graphic imaging film products. The nine-month revenue for imaging products for fiscal year 2020 is $7.1 million. a 22% decrease when compared to the same period in 2019. In both periods, we believe the lower demand for these products is primarily due to the economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on our customers. Finally, revenue from our emerging market segments totaled $88,000 for the three months and $557,000 for the nine-month period ending June 30, 2021. Prior year revenue was $11,000 for the third quarter and $145,000 for the nine-month period ending June 30, 2019. While we do not anticipate significant revenue contributions from Quantum in fiscal year 2020, we do expect to record most of the revenue from our $10 million contract with the U.S. Customs and Border Protection in our first quarter of fiscal year 2021. Our third quarter of fiscal year 2020 operating expenses decreased by 297,000 or 3% compared to the third quarter of 2019. The nine month operating expenses increased by 2.9 million or 10% when compared to the same period of fiscal year 2019. The increase in operating expenses for the nine month period is mostly due to $1.6 million in changes to the estimated fair value of contingent consideration and higher engineering project costs. In July of 2020, we took actions to reduce operating costs as a result of decreased demand for our products. The cost-saving measures include workforce reductions of approximately 100 employees from our company's workforce and a reduction in cash compensation of named executives and company directors. We will incur 800,000 of termination costs in our fourth quarter of fiscal year 2020. We expect we will realize annual savings of 2 million or more as a result of these cost-cutting measures. Our nine-month cash investment into our rental fleet and property plant equipment were 5.4 million and 2.6 million, respectively. We do not expect any significant additional cash investments into our rental fleet or into our property plan equipment for the remaining fiscal year 2020. Our balance sheet at the end of the third quarter reflected $26.7 million of cash. We have no long-term debt outstanding, and the available borrowings under our credit agreement is $17.9 million. In addition, we own numerous real estate holdings in Houston and around the world that are owned free and clear without any leverage. That concludes my discussion, and I'll turn the call back to Rick.
spk11: All right. Thank you, Robert. Amidst all the ramifications of COVID-19, demand for certain products in our oil and gas and adjacent market segment will undoubtedly continue to be negatively impacted. Large curtailments of travel and social activities combined with lower factory outputs will continue to hold global energy demands well below normal levels. Thus, resultant supply balancing acts and pricing volatility will pose ongoing challenges to oil and gas companies and energy service providers who are our major customers. However, we believe our available products in this market stand out as the preferred instruments of choice within a recovering energy market. In addition, we believe our executed diversification strategy is already demonstrating successful mitigation of the volatility in our oil and gas market segment. as evidenced by our contract with the U.S. Border Patrol. Furthermore, we believe our recent cost reduction efforts and our longstanding financial discipline keeps us optimally positioned to thrive in the post-COVID-19 world ahead. In closing, we heartily thank our hardworking employees who provide the lifeblood support for our operations and our valued customers. And we very much appreciate our loyal shareholders for trusting our vision and values to confidently emerge from the challenge of these uncertain times. That concludes our prepared remarks, and I'll now turn the call back over to Keith for questions.
spk07: And at this time, if you do have a question, please press star 1 on your touch-tone phone. If at any point your question is answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing the pound key. Again, we do ask that while you pose your question, you pick up your handset to provide optimal sound quality. Thank you. And we'll pause a few moments to allow questions to queue. Once again, it is star and one on your touchtone phone. We'll take our first question momentarily. And we'll take our first question from Bill DeZellum with Titan Capital. Please go ahead.
spk08: Thank you. I have a group of questions relative to the quantum business since Mark is on the line. First of all, Mark, apparently there is a – binational industrial research and development proposal requests tied to border protection. And I believe the executive summary is due on the 13th of this month and then final proposals are due next month. Would you talk a little bit about that and the degree to which quantum is or is not participating?
spk03: Sure, Bill. We're familiar with that. If I understand the proposal request to which you are referring, and we're talking about the same one, it's a joint effort, comes out of Congress. It's very R&D-based, which means you submit proposals to advance something in an R&D profile, so it's kind of a service-based effort, which is where Quantum earned its chops many years ago doing R&D. It's not in the direction that we're going now, which is significantly past the R&D stage and selling product into those same border security markets. It can have a tunnel focus, but I think it's important for you and everyone on the call to understand that the complete tunnel challenge is not simply one of technological detection. It has other aspects for which we do not participate, which includes investigation, it includes remediation where you fill the tunnels full of cement, and how you do that. There's a lot of other technologies associated with, as members on the Hill will say, solving the tunnel challenge. So we're a component of that. So when you think of a 30, $40 million bill, it's not all aligned to something for which we would be applicable. So those are the two key points. There's routine collaboration between our U.S. and, for example, Israel on some of these challenges, and we track them very, very closely. We are known. We work with members of Congress as appropriate. So it's a great question. I'm pleased you're keeping apprised of it, and rest assured so are we.
spk08: Great. Thank you. And that's actually a really nice segue, Mark, into my next question, which was, I guess it's pure coincidence, but was listening to a report on the BBC where they were in Israel on the northern border, and they were referencing the Hezbollah tunnels that had been built between Lebanon and Israel. And I believe that the person that was being interviewed was referencing the tunnel problem was considered a strategic issue for the Israeli military and Israeli border protection. Would you please talk through your understanding of that northern border and importantly how quantum may or may not be able to participate in that? And if you are able to participate, how quickly you could see commercial activity develop there?
spk03: That's a big question. We track the Israeli environment closely. We've been in country before. We've deployed our technology in the past. They are well aware of what we are capable of. I have to be mindful as to how much I am able to disclose on this call, so please understand that. The competitive environment over there is indeed truly competitive. They have a lot of talent within their country as well. We do know that they've had, like the rest of the world, some economic impact with their military due to COVID. We understand the northern environment and what differs between it and the southern environment from a tunnel detection standpoint. What I can say is that we are very intimately tracking where they are on their northern border strategy to the best of our abilities. I'm not sure what that will look like in the next six to 12 months. The big thing to remember about Israel versus our country is that in our country, all sorts of bad things come through tunnels. Nothing good comes through a tunnel. But in their country, they have an additional challenge, which is people come through tunnels with the intent to do physical harm to their citizens. And so they do track that and take those tunnel threats very seriously. But they have other ways of also mitigating them through other means. that they try to stay in front of. But, yeah, I'm sure you're aware in the last year how many tunnels they found due to Hezbollah. And there are pictures on the Internet that everyone can go look at. And those were very mature tunnels and had been developed over a period of years. So I hope I'm kind of giving you a little bit more insight. I'm sorry I can't get too much more specific than that. But just rest assured that we're doing everything we can to remain aware of that.
spk08: No, that's helpful, Mark. And the tunnels that I have seen do appear to be quite sophisticated and don't look like they were put together by a bunch of 10-year-old boys in the afternoon. So the question is, given the talent that you referenced that's already in Israel, do you see where there is a real probability for Quantum to be able to participate and have meaningful business? Or is that going to be a bigger challenge because of the expertise that they have in country?
spk03: There's always a possibility. But at this time, I don't want to really dive deeper into answering that question. I just don't feel comfortable doing that right now.
spk08: Okay, thank you. And then I'm going to ask a couple additional questions here. First of all, did I hear correctly in the opening remarks that you expect most of the $10 million in U.S. customs and border revenue with that first contract to happen in the December quarter?
spk03: Yes. So the significant amount of revenue will come in the first quarter of next fiscal year, so the October to December quarter.
spk08: Most of it. So what's going to happen between December and April when the next renewal is potentially available or the remainder of the contract term if you're doing most of the business in that three-month period of your first fiscal quarter?
spk03: Understood. Payment doesn't correlate with effort. I think that's a big point. It's a product sale, and so there's still – They're still equal. It's a level-loaded contract from an effort standpoint. Our effort remains constant over the 12 months, but the payment and the revenue that we're recognizing doesn't correlate to that effort because it is a product sale.
spk08: Right. Okay. Thank you. And then what additional opportunities do you have with contractors? You referenced a contractor last quarter, a Could you talk to that market or that opportunity a bit further in terms of that singular contractor and that piece of business that you were working with them on, but also with other contractors and how you're viewing that place?
spk03: That might take a few hours.
spk00: Okay.
spk03: We're always on the hunt and we're maintaining our relationship with other contractors. There's, you know, a couple of paths to market, of course. Do we go in directly to government customers through large system integrators or do we go direct ourselves as we're doing with the board patrol? Large system integrators have need of our rather unique talents and products on occasion and our relationships with them remain on point. We've, Since we've been in the business for a couple of decades now, we work very hard to be top of mind with them for certain types of applications. It's a bit more of a wild card with COVID right now on where funds are landing, what's going to come out of the budget. We're in an election year. So everybody's kind of sitting back a little bit and holding their breath, staying true to the contracts that we have. But from a business development standpoint, seeing what's going to come out of Congress for fiscal year 21 and when that budget might close, we can expect probably a continuing resolution until the election is passed. Don't know yet. So it's a bit of a multivariate issue right now that we're tracking. But to the heart of your question, a key strategy for us is maintaining those relationships with those large system integrators to provide the security and surveillance component of any particular large contract they may be performing to or pursuing.
spk08: Great, thank you. And then I'm going to shift to PRM real quickly here. The tender that you have referenced that may be released later this calendar year, given what you know about that piece of business, how would you anticipate that revenue would be recognized over the life of the contract or up front?
spk11: Well, Bill, I think that that would end up, you know, being a little bit further down the road. So that revenue might start being recognized in fiscal year 2021, but the installations are not going to be until – after our fiscal year 2021, at least under the current discussions as they are now. So, you know, with the way the revenue recognition rules run these days, they change on a daily basis. But I think there would be some, obviously, that occur as that contract would develop. But I think a good portion and perhaps the majority would come later.
spk01: Yeah, to be specific, Bill, we would expect to recognize that revenue over time using some metric to give us a view to how far along we are in the production of that contract.
spk11: Now, that doesn't particularly have anything to do with how cash payments may come in because there are milestone arrangements and that sort of thing as those contracts are negotiated. that with respect to how cash flows are executed over the contract, but the revenue recognition follows different rules.
spk01: And it will be very specifically based upon the terms of the contract. Right.
spk08: Okay. So in the past, when you have had smaller PRM contracts, you have recognized the revenue kind of in a one-shot deal at the time of delivery. But with a larger contract, that was done over time. So would it be appropriate to infer from your comments that this PRM discussion, if it comes to fruition, would be quite large in size?
spk01: Frankly, Bill, from a Accounting guidance point of view, the ways we recognize revenue in the past related to PRM contracts, those rules have considerably changed. So I'm not quite sure the size of the contract really will have anything to do to how we decide to recognize revenue or not. And you certainly can't draw a reference from the past to what we'll do in the future.
spk08: All right. Well, let me just ask the question directly then. From what you know to date, does this contract appear to be larger in nature if it does come to fruition or smaller in nature?
spk11: The scope of work being discussed, if there's more than one contract in a oil company that we're talking to, but I think the one of nearest vicinity here is a large. The discussions have been pointing to a large deployment.
spk08: Great. Thank you both. Actually, thank you all three for the time. Appreciate it.
spk01: Thanks, Bill.
spk08: Thank you, Bill.
spk07: Our next question is from Scott Bundy with Moore's and Cabot. Please go ahead. Good morning, Rick.
spk06: How are you? Good, guys.
spk00: Good to hear from you.
spk06: Thank you very much. My question is directly related to Mark. So, Mark, there's a gentleman by the name of Palmer Luckey. He created Oculus, sold it to Facebook, got fired, and now has created a company called Andro. And this company was awarded a five-year contract to deploy portable surveillance towers I believe 60 were part of a pilot program a year and a half ago, and now it exceeds 140 towers. They also are part of the program of record. Anyways, some of the discussion appears to imply that this is a $200 or $300 million contract, so money is being dispersed, and I believe the contract was awarded around early July. So my question, Mark, to you is, what differentiates what you guys are doing versus what Anduril is doing? And I do understand that the tower projects are going to be used in open desert as opposed to what you are doing, but I'm just curious about if there's an overlap, or are they different markets, or your thoughts on that?
spk03: Sure. There's a number of tower solutions on the border today. Palmer took a specific approach to get there. There were two other procurements that hit the street that allowed two primes, again, what I call LSI's, large system integrators. They each won those two other One was called integrated fixed towers and the other was a remote surveillance contract. All of those employ a line of sight technologies. So they have to see the area of regard in order to understand and have situational awareness within that area of regard. So it's electro-optics. It could be visual, it could be radar, anything like that. The geospace quantum value to market is that we are a non-line of sight technology. We are a seismic acoustic technology. We're not just limited to the seismic space. Our sensors are capable of detecting signal that propagates through the earth, the air, or the water. And so non-line of sight technologies are an essential element of a complete security posture very similar to what you're doing as we speak and everybody on this call is doing is you're probably looking at your computer you're probably reading all at the same time you're listening to me you're employing the visual the line of sight and the non-liner site and believe it or not our ears are what keep us alive far more than our eyes do we're just used to it and we don't really take acknowledge because it's background processing that we're looking in all directions all the time with our ears you don't step off of the street corner by looking first your ears have already told you where to look and what you're about to see that is the value that the seismic acoustics bring to any security challenge so when you think of that and you say well where are the non line of sight challenges well it's where the towers can't see So there's terrain in the southern border. There's forests in the northern border. There's submarine vehicles that approach our borders. There's aerial targets that radar can't see because they're either small or they're too close to the ground. But most of these things, if not all of these things, emit a significant amount of acoustic energy. And acoustic energy goes humming through the earth, air, or water, and we sit there and receive it. And then we do everything within our power and our analytics to automatically determine what that source of energy is, where that source of energy is, the direction of that source of energy. And that can feed into a larger system. It can cue Palmer Luckey's towers. We can tell him about stuff coming before he even knows it's in his screen. And vice versa. Now, what are our weaknesses? Our weaknesses are we can't tell you the license plate on a car. It's hard for us to say there's three people and one of them is holding a baby. We don't know that. It's hard for him to do that too, by the way, unless they're close. So that's kind of a 101 on the distinction between the value that we provide and the value, the very necessary value that those towers provide. Is that helpful?
spk06: It is. So when I think about the addressable market, And the fact that he received an award approaching what appears to be a couple hundred million dollars, are we in that same category? No. We're not.
spk03: We're solving a different challenge. And from a security standpoint, and again, it's an online, a site challenge. So, no, we're not in that same category. We're not in the same budget line. completely. It's both a security surveillance counter for the challenge for the border, but ours is one that's more of a different specificity.
spk06: So I don't think I asked my question correctly. So last time when you chatted, you stated that the system that you were deploying would represent something like one or two percent of the addressable market, which implies a fairly significant market. It does. And so when I think about what Palmer's doing and the potential size of the addressable market and what you guys are doing, we're, from the outside, trying to figure out what that potential addressable market is. And so relative to what Palmer is doing... Are you guys in the same ballpark in terms of addressable market or half of the market or more than the market? I'm not sure you can even answer the question.
spk03: The addressable market is, I would say, roughly the same. Whether or not it will all be addressed is a function of both budgets, and our ability to perform. Now, our ability to perform right now has been pretty well established, and we're pretty excited about that. But I imagine the Border Patrol is standing back and wondering if they have a one-hit wonder with us or if they really do have a chance to tell the tale. And so we're excited to be able to go forward on our efforts and get after more of what the requirement is. And that's what we expect to do in the upcoming years. But again, we know budgets change. We know pandemics occur. And there's a number of things that can get in the way of that that have nothing to do with us or our performance. But there is a requirement. And we're right now, again, excited to get in the ground and do our job. So the value...
spk06: of the value of this deployment in your first fiscal quarter is important for people to understand what you guys can do. Is that fair?
spk03: Yeah, it is important. It's very important. We've had, you know, some of the challenges we are addressing have not been able to be tackled to, I think, a sufficient level of performance. And so we've been given the opportunity to continue to demonstrate just how effective we are, similar to what Palmer's doing. He came in and said, in this particular market, I think I can do it better. And he's getting in there and stirring things up, which is good for him. And I don't want to say we're the same, but it might be an analog to what we are doing as well.
spk06: Terrific. Thank you very much. Thank you, guys.
spk07: Our next question is from Roger Hare with Farwell Management. Please go ahead.
spk04: Good morning. Hi. I'm glad you're all well. I noticed on July 9th that Halliburton and Technip FMC launched a joint reservoir monitoring suite. Given the size of those companies' I was just wondering, do you have any initial thoughts on the collaboration or on what geospace's competitive advantage to that collaboration might be?
spk11: Yeah, Roger, I believe that the reservoir monitoring that's going on there is basically NWEL sort of monitoring, and that's quite a bit different than the overall monitoring. spatial monitoring that happens with the seismic type equipment that is deployed in our PRM systems. So there are very limited opportunities in terms of what you can see from in-well monitoring. They're useful, but they're not nearly the scope or magnitude from an imaging point of view that you can get with our types of systems.
spk05: Okay, great. I'm glad to hear that. Good to hear. Thanks.
spk07: Once again, a star and one for a question. We'll go next to Glenn Kukla with Kukla Capital.
spk09: Hey, guys. How are you this morning?
spk07: Good. Good.
spk09: Thank you. Great job once again on prudent conservative cash management. Looks like cash and equivalents are trending up, $10.1 million end of last year, $18.9 million first quarter this year, $26.7 million end of this quarter. So, again, great job. Thanks. I appreciate the thumbnail sketch you gave and the prepared comments about where the Q1 to Q2 increase came from. But could you give us a little more color on this? And do you see this trend continuing in the future quarters? Or is this Q2 increase due more to like lumpier one-time events and transactions?
spk11: Well, from the oil and gas point of view, what has been driving our revenues, as we mentioned, is the demand for renting our OBX equipment. That has been just an ongoing trend. As I mentioned in our comments, it's highly related to the fact that the oil and gas companies are trying to conserve costs on their own side. by examining the fields and nearby areas to their already existing infrastructure. Now, keep in mind that these projects, as you can well see here, have gone on despite the fact that COVID-19 has just had a devastating effect over every economy on the globe. Most of these types of projects are ones that have inertia once they're planned, once they're underway, capital's been allocated, and these goals are held up, then they proceed. I can only expect that as this pandemic continues and more specifically as the demand for oil and gas remains depressed, that's likely going to have an impact simply just from a capital point of view. So there is some probabilities that there will be a reduction in demand for these ocean bottom surveys, even though that is the preferential method of increasing production and managing existing production by the oil companies.
spk09: Great. That's all I have for today. Thanks. Okay. Thank you.
spk07: And we also have a follow-up from Bill Gazellum. Please go ahead. Thank you.
spk08: Mark, I'm going to come back to you again, if I may. Do you sense, you mentioned that you are looking forward to getting in the ground and proving that you're not a one-hit wonder. Are you sensing that the location of where you are going in the ground here in the next few months is an area or areas that you have a high probability of of quantum success? What's your sense of the importance of these areas that are being chosen for first deployment?
spk03: Bill, I always like answering your questions, even though I probably shouldn't. The Border Patrol is very good at making sure they get best value out of their money for us. Like all government customers, good government customers want the companies that they invest in to succeed on their behemoths. So I have a large degree of confidence in our collective team and the mission that we are collectively serving that we will be doing our fair part in adding significant value to their mission.
spk08: Well, we look for, well, actually, how long, when would you expect that you would have the system deployed and operational? I guess the question is, when would you expect it to be operational? And therefore, you know, I'm just trying to figure out how quickly we should be watching the newspapers for potential.
spk03: I really wish I could answer that question. for you. I cannot. I can't go into those details.
spk08: All right. Thank you. That's all right. So my next question, I do not want this to come across as whining. I just genuinely would like to understand, why is it that Oculus has potentially a couple hundred million dollar contract and Quantum has a $10 million contract? I'm feeling a little bit like the redheaded stepsister.
spk03: That is a good question. That's a really good question. They are an integrator deploying known technologies. Everybody's familiar with the camera. There's nothing new to what they're doing. I am unaware how much of their press releases are somewhat promotional compared to the other integrators that are also doing the exact same thing they are. And I do not know the procurement strategy of the government for towers everywhere I just don't know those systems leverage a tremendous amount of expensive components and if you want to outfit every tower with all components they can get expensive in a hurry and because they are line of sight based you might have a lot of towers everywhere but again I'm just speculating now I don't know again the procurement strategy or where they're getting coverage Press releases are an interesting thing when you are promoting something that everybody already knows about. We're not able to do that.
spk08: All right. Okay. Thank you. And then I do want to jump back to a couple of oil and gas-related questions. The customer with the OBX note payable, are they paying as agreed? And secondarily, what does their go-forward work schedule look like?
spk11: They are up to date on their payments. There is a seasonal lag in some of that ocean bottom work that is going on as we speak, just because of where some of the areas are where all this is taking place. So they, as well as others, are likely going to experience some lags in that activity. But it does look like that there are significant plans for ocean bottom surveys. In fact, many in deep water for next year. So we'll have to see how all that plays out. Again, COVID-19 is going to eventually have... some effect on the inertia that these sorts of products have enjoyed in times past.
spk08: Great. So kind of the implication of your comments that they're paying as agreed that the challenge is when this first came up maybe nine months or so ago that they seem to have They seem to have prioritized their payments to you, and it looks like we're on track.
spk11: I think at this point we're on track, yes.
spk08: That is correct. Okay. And then are you still not recognizing revenue from that note? Where are we at with revenue recognition with that customer?
spk01: Yeah, we have not recognized the revenue or the cost of revenue associated with that sale. You know, we're very closely following the SEC filings and public news releases from the customer to see if there's any change in their financial outlook. But to date, there's, you know, there's still not good news out there related to them being a going concern going forward. So until that outlook changes or we've collected a very significant portion of that note receivable, we'll continue not to recognize the revenue.
spk08: And what would the incremental earnings have been this quarter had you recognized the revenue and the correlated expense? Yeah, I don't think I can tell you that, Bill.
spk11: Well, I mean, at the very least, the sale was a $12.5 million sale, and the paid-in amounts to date, I think we've revealed, are $3.8 million, so it would be somewhere between those two numbers.
spk08: Thanks for bracketing it. Let me switch then to the GCL $3.8 million revenue.
spk11: Well, actually, that was the one I was just referring to.
spk01: We're talking about that transaction.
spk11: Yeah, I thought perhaps we misunderstood your earlier question because that's what we were referring to just now.
spk08: Okay, so let's hold that thought. I want to stick with the OBX customer. Yeah, so we're...
spk01: That customer, we're still continuing to only recognize revenue on a cash basis. In our third quarter, we received payments from the customer. I think it was like $3.6 million, and we recognize that as rental revenue. And going forward, as they make payments to us, we'll recognize revenue. As paid. As paid.
spk08: Okay, that is helpful. Thank you. And then switching to the $3.8 million that was not recognized as revenue in this quarter. If I'm understanding this correctly, since that was a GCL, not a rental, but a purchase, there would not be any expenses associated with that. Therefore, we would see that flow right to the right to the bottom line?
spk01: No, that's not correct, Bill. We're deferring all of the revenue and all the cost of revenue associated to that transaction until we deem collection as probable. And that determination is related to the entire sales amount, not some insignificant portion of it.
spk08: Understood. So basically, instead of going down the income path with this, we really ought to be thinking about it from a cash flow perspective. But if we wanted to just rough it out, we could say, well, if your gross margin was approximately 50%, just because that's easy math to do, you could do that, tax-effect it, and find that you probably would have made money this quarter had you recognized that revenue.
spk11: Yeah, the thing is, you know, it's not going to go on the income statement as it is now, so you've got to examine the balance sheet and those other lines. I mean, you know, it's sad, but the accounting has somewhat made a lot of this a little bit more complicated than what it would otherwise be. Yeah, very messy, very messy.
spk08: And that's why you see your cash growing where, as your earnings, you continue to be in a lost position from a net income perspective. That is part of why our cash is growing, yes, absolutely. Right. Okay. I've taken enough time today. Thank you. Thanks, Bill. Thanks, Bill.
spk07: I also have a question from Chris Anson with Anson Advisors. Please go ahead.
spk02: Hi, guys. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Along the lines of the cost-cutting measures, would you please articulate what the company's plan is around capital allocation, or more so, what the plan is for assets that are either being underutilized or unutilized in an environment where exploration activity looks like it's going to be depressed for the foreseeable future? Thank you.
spk11: Yeah, Chris. The majority of our assets are associated with our manufacturing operations and one of the things that we're currently doing is we're in the process of manufacturing equipment that's going to be used in this quarter for total contract. In addition, we're in discussions on some of these PRM systems which require significant manufacturing resources to put forward. So it's a constant examination of of those assets and those that aren't performing, some we get rid of and have in recent quarters here. You can well imagine that's just an ongoing day-to-day activity that we have to go through in making those examinations, but it's very important to protect those elements that have potential for generating revenue for us. You know, that is largely why we have such a conservative view in the way we manage our finances and our operations, you know, so that we can preserve those opportunities.
spk02: Okay, thank you for that. And could you talk about the areas where, you know, you reduce headcounts?
spk11: Sure, largely, again, that had to do with the fact that there wasn't as much manufacturing operations taking place. So that represented a significant portion of what those reductions were. But again, we made sure that we protected our skill sets and our core competencies within the organization. And we're also working to maximize the flexibility, we'll say, of our workforce where there are not siloed skill sets that exist except as necessary and where those people can move more appropriately into other areas of need within the manufacturing space. In addition, reductions occur with respect to we're examining our properties and other things as time goes on. Certainly the salaries of executives and all that, you know, were a part of that consideration as well.
spk02: Okay, thank you very much.
spk07: And we also have a follow-up from Scott Bundy. Please go ahead. Your line's open.
spk06: Thank you. One question, one comment. Mark, you've been with GeoSpace now for two years. How has the addressable market that you've been in for a long time changed as a result of being with Geospace? And my comment is, for those that don't know, Andrel just did a financing with a $2 billion market capitalization.
spk03: Okay. Ask that question again because you... My brain did a right turn when you mentioned Andrew.
spk06: It's a different space than what we do. So basically, since you've been with Geospace, how has your audience changed?
spk03: It's definitely opened up our aperture. Before, we were very focused geospatially. what we pursued and why we pursued it. Um, and the risk associated with that, um, could be significant because we had to make the right choices with the bandwidth that we have. But now, um, collectively what, this will be a slight oversimplification, but it's still reasonably accurate. Geo space is more than three decades of hardware, what I call a data acquisition system. Hardware superiority and all of the knowledge and infrastructure it takes to make data acquisition systems for the austere environment has been a significant add to quantum. Their strategy in the active source oil and gas market was to provide the best data possible so that their service providers and oil companies could apply whatever techniques they chose to for what's called reflection seismology, imaging the upper layers of the Earth's crust. We don't do that. Our analytics are based more on identifying the source. So we bring to the fight, then, very solid data acquisition once you've acquired the data, the data analysis component. So we understand how to bring in real time thousands of channels and then operate on those channels in real time and produce information. So no operator in the loop. And that's a very, very complex thing to do. So now together we are able to look at value adds in both the oil and gas space, as well as the security and surveillance space. What we can do with the passive seismic monitoring for induced seismicity, for example, may be associated to carbon sequestration. And we're also able to do things like our Border Patrol contract, where we're going to be deploying significant infrastructure along the border because of Geospace's expertise. So this marriage now allows us to have a complete end-to-end solution. And what that means is, I mean, we're the OEM for the sensor itself. For the sensor itself. Most of our competition can't say that. All the way through to the analytics. So that dot on the map or that piece of information, we are now the OEM. It's one phone call now for our customers to make. And that's exciting for us. And so the last two years, we've been fleshing a lot of things out, focused on this effort, and now I'm excited to capitalize on that momentum and that work and use it elsewhere for other solutions and step forward with products that are ready to roll. Instead of 10 years ago, I always had to step forward with concepts, but now we can step forward with products. So it's very much opened up our aperture into the market and allowed us to consider solutions additional applications.
spk11: I think too, Scott, I know one of the things you're trying to get to is the market size on these things. And in full honesty, we have said that that's not just a quantitative number that we can annotate specifically. But from what we see, We have every anticipation that the accessible market for this can easily rival what our oil and gas projects have been in the past based on our discussion. So although we can't, unfortunately, just give you a bottom line number of what that is, we do believe that it's a considerable element of commerce that we can get into.
spk06: Very helpful, guys. Thank you.
spk07: We also have a question from Michael Melby with Gate City. Please go ahead.
spk10: Good morning, gentlemen. Thanks for taking my question. I was actually going to ask on carbon sequestration. Mark just brought it up. Rick, Mark, could you expand on how your products might address needs in the carbon sequestration market and the market opportunity that might be available for geospace?
spk11: Sure, Mark, you can take that one.
spk03: Thanks, Rick. Carbon sequestration is an interesting thing to consider because it addresses a number of other motives. It's a health-type of issue. It's an environmental issue. So we're very interested in how we might be able to participate. Geospace's PRM systems, I mean, those things are amazing. They can operate in the most austere of environments. They've been operating for more than 10 years and they're bringing back literally tens of thousands of channels of data. So our concept for that is when you do sequester carbon and you put it underground, you're going to want to also invest in the insurance policy of letting the public know that it's still there and it isn't escaping. I mean, a catastrophic failure of a massive burp may be somewhat unlikely, but there are possibilities for when you put pressure of fluids underground that they migrate. And you want to be aware of that. And when fluids migrate, they create a signal. And if they migrate in a forceful manner, they create something very similar to hydrologic fracturing and little micro seismicity events, induced seismicity events pop off. That is right in the wheelhouse. That is spot in the center of our sweet spot for what we're capable of doing. So our pedigree at Quantum has been associated to nuclear monitoring. And when we ran a very large-scale system for the government, bringing in, again, thousands of channels of data, looking for very small events around the planet in real time and distinguishing those events from everything else. That's the same exact capability that we are contemplating bringing to to the oil and gas market, if you will, for carbon sequestration is taking a geospace PRM system. And instead of it being an active based system for which you go fire off the air gun or you go do whatever you're going to do to image the upper layers, there's now a persistent component to that, which persistently 24 seven is constantly monitoring what's underneath it for activity. And then activity can then be assessed and automatically be brought up to decision makers to understand, again, what's occurring in the subterranean environment. It's bringing that subterranean situational awareness. It's very much a security and surveillance concept, but we want to bring that same concept into the oil and gas and energy markets.
spk11: To add to what Mark is saying, Mike, I mean, at the end of the day, If you have a reservoir and you're going to be pumping it with CO2 or otherwise engaged in those activities, those pressures, et cetera, that are a resultant of all that alter the rock properties and alter the velocities and other things going on with respect to the overall seismic profile of the geology. When you build on top of what our very high resolution data acquisition can accomplish and add that analytics that quantum can do there, there's just plenty of opportunity there to know, well, can I keep putting CO2 in? Do I need to stop? Is it staying there? How am I managing my sequestration operations?
spk10: That's helpful, and I hear you right. This has the opportunity to include multiple PRM-type mandates at some point in the future.
spk11: It certainly could. I mean, it would be right up the alley of the type of things that would need to be done to guarantee the security of those operations.
spk10: Got it. And I was hoping to touch – I guess Mark brought up the company's OEM nature. Could you talk about why it's important to manufacture your equipment internally? And I guess from a capital deployment standpoint, whether an outsourcing approach could be used that basically has GeoSpace as a technology company without all the capital to be a manufacturing company?
spk11: Yeah, that's always been an issue that we've had to consider. Largely, there aren't that many contract manufacturers or other outsourcing sources for some of the products that are absolutely critical to those that we make. So it's a requisite aspect of our systems that we have to make or pay an arm and a leg for somebody else to build those. It makes a lot more sense for us to... Instead, look for more of a vertical integration with respect to those operations, but by the same token, and what our strategy has always been, is to provide other opportunities through that vertical integration of other markets and other things that can be made. To that end is why we continue to try to grow our own contract manufacturing capabilities and expertise. And that's a part of what our adjacent markets revenue is. So the point of fact is we build other components and other markets for them in those same areas of our manufacturing facilities where we build some of our very critical but not available elsewhere components.
spk03: Got it. It also helps on a technical reason. I'll just jump in there because I'm a geek. It's amazing when we can sit down now with geospace engineers and we can get down to the specifics of the frequency contents that we are interested in and sensor design that best allows us to meet the analytics that are required. That is a massive distinctive competency for us to be able to do that. And so the innovation that we are bringing to our systems, they're second to none. What we are able to do, no one else in the world concurrently is able to do. And that's the exciting part about that.
spk11: Extrapolating that discussion with engineering that takes place with the customer, et cetera, our time to market is drastically reduced through those capabilities. Going through external sources and all that just adds an enormous amount of time. Sometimes you miss the market window if you do that.
spk10: Got it. And a quick clarification, the change in contingent consideration, was that related to opto-size or quantum?
spk01: There were adjustments to both of those arrangements during the quarter.
spk10: Got it. And any update on the building for sale in Columbia?
spk01: Not really. It's still for sale. We've had some offers that aren't very Very realistic, so we're continuing to keep it for sale for now.
spk10: Got it. Any range of listing prices that the building has been listed at?
spk01: I don't really think I can share that information.
spk10: Got it. Thanks, Ariel.
spk07: It appears we have no further questions. I'll return the floor to Rick Wheeler for closing comments.
spk11: All right, well, thank you, Keith, and thank everyone that has joined us on our call today. We'll look forward to speaking with you again at our conference call for the fourth quarter, which will be sometime in November. So thank you, and goodbye.
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