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9/5/2024
good day and thank you for standing by welcome to the hooker furnishings corp second quarter 2025 earnings webcast at this time all participants are in the listen-only mode after the speaker's presentation there will be a question and answer session to ask a question during the session you will need to press star 1 1 on your telephone you will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised to withdraw your question please press star Again, please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Paul Huckfeldt, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead.
Thank you, Daniel. Good morning and welcome to our quarterly conference call to review financial results for the fiscal 2025 second quarter, which began April 29th and ended July 28th of 2024. Joining me this morning is Jeremy Hoff, our Chief Financial Officer. We appreciate your participation. I mean, our chief executive officer. I'm sorry. We appreciate your participation today. During our call, we may make forward-looking statements which are subject to risks and uncertainties. A discussion of factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from management's expectations is contained in our press release and SEC filing announcing our fiscal 2025 second quarter results. Any forward-looking statement speaks only as of today, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after today's call. Despite persistent weak market conditions, sales in the second quarter, typically our slowest quarter, outperformed the first quarter. This morning, we reported consolidated net sales of $95 million for the fiscal 2025 second quarter, a decrease of 2.7 million or 2.8% as compared to the last year's second quarter. The low single-digit sales decrease was a solid sequential improvement from last quarter's double-digit sales reduction. Net sales decreased by $2.3 million at Domestic Upholstery and $1.6 million at Cooker Branded, while Home Meridian saw an increase of $1.6 million driven by strong sales in its hospitality business, which more than offset the loss of $3.5 million of liquidation sales from the unprofitable ACH product line we exited last year. We recorded a consolidated operating loss of 3.1 million and a net loss of 2 million, or 19 cents, per diluted share. Both operating and net losses improved compared to the first quarter's losses of 5.2 million and 4.1 million, respectively. During the fiscal 2025 six-month period, consolidated net sales decreased by 31 million, or 14%, compared to the same period last year, also due to persistent low demand for home furnishings. driven by macroeconomic uncertainties. The absence of $11 million in revenue from the ACH product line accounted for approximately 35% of the sales decrease. We reported a consolidated operating loss of $8.2 million and a net loss of $6 million or $0.57 per diluted share for the first half. Now I'll turn the call over to Jeremy to comment on our fiscal 2025 second quarter results.
Thank you, Paul, and good morning, everyone. Challenges in the macroeconomic and furniture retail environment have extended well beyond our expectations. The combination of high interest rates, a housing shortage, and elevated home prices have created a sustained housing downturn for over two years. While retail sales are doing well overall, furniture retail is not. In response, we continue to focus on the things we can control to ensure we're in the best possible position to grow when the macro environment improves. As we announced last quarter, we have begun a cost reduction plan aimed at reducing fixed costs by 10% for a total of $10 million in annualized savings. As of now, we expect to exceed that target. Approximately $5 million in savings is expected to be realized this fiscal year, split between the third and fourth quarters. In our cost reduction measures, we are focused on reducing non-strategic costs while continuing to invest in revenue and profit generating initiatives. Reductions will come from the consolidation of certain operations and fixed cost reductions, including reducing the company's Savannah warehouse footprint by half and restructuring the Bobo business into the Hooker branded business, eliminating Bobo's retail store and separate warehouse, among other measures. In addition, the company just completed an early retirement offer to qualifying employees and just yesterday further reduced our workforce for an annualized savings of almost $6 million. We expect to record $3 million of severance expenses in our fiscal 25 third quarter. While we continue to focus on our growth, in April, industry veteran Caroline Hippel joined us in the new position of Chief Creative Officer to lead a re-merchandising of Hooker Legacy Brands, which aims to position the company as a more integrated, whole-home, consumer-centric resource with an elevated aesthetic and presentation. While early in this shift in our merchandising strategy, we have had a very positive reaction from customers in previews of new products targeted for the next high point market. Our partners' positive feedback has given us the confidence to place initial cuttings prior to the October high point market launch. Essentially, this gives us a three-month head start on selling these products. The increased speed to market mentality helps strengthen our assortment for next year. We remain confident that the strategies we are pursuing in operations, marketing, and merchandising are transformative. Extended downturns present opportunities to recalibrate and reinvent aspects of our business. Now I want to turn the discussion over to Paul, who will discuss highlights in each of our segments.
Thanks, Jeremy. The hooker branded segment net sales decreased by 1.6 million or 4.5% in the second quarter compared to the prior period. primarily due to lower average selling prices following price reductions implemented in the second half of last year, driven by reduced ocean freight costs. Unit volume, however, exceeded the prior year second quarter by 11% and improved compared to the first quarter. The quarter end order backlog remains 20% higher than pre-pandemic levels at the end of the fiscal 2020 second quarter. For the current six-month period, net sales decreased 9.7 million, or 12%, driven by the same decrease in average selling prices, and to a lesser extent, decreased unit volume in the first quarter, reflecting the ongoing industry headwinds. Moving on to the home meridian segment, we saw several improvements. HMI net sales increased by 1.6 million, or 5.6%, in the second quarter, primarily driven by strong performance in the hospitality division. This marks the first year-over-year quarterly sales increase in two years for this cycle. Additionally, sales through major furniture chains and mass merchants increased during the quarter. These gains were partially offset by decreases in sales to independent furniture stores and through the e-commerce channel. The quarter end backlog was 2% higher than the same period last year and 22% higher than the fiscal 2024 year end back in January. Home Meridian reported an increase in gross profit, achieving a gross margin of 19.5%, one of the highest levels since the acquisition of that business in 2016. The quarterly operating loss was below $1 million, which is an improvement from the $3.4 million loss in the first quarter and the $3.3 million loss in the prior year's same period. We believe we've reached the point at HMI where we have a significant path to profitability that is sustainable for the foreseeable future once demand normalizes for the home furnishings industry. The current six-month period net sales decreased by 13.9 million, or 19%, at HMI, largely due to the absence of $11 million of ACH liquidation sales. The remaining decrease was attributable to lower sales through independent furniture stores and e-commerce. while partially offset by increased sales in the hospitality business. Domestic upholstery segment net sales decreased by 2.3 million or 7.6% in the second quarter, primarily due to lower unit volumes of Braddington Young and HF Custom. Sunset West and Shenandoah each reported single-digit sales increases. Industry weakness continues to affect order rates and backlog levels, leading to reduced production at Braddington Young and HF Customs for this quarter. On a more positive note, excluding Sunset West, the order backlog remains 20% higher than pre-pandemic levels at the end of that fiscal 2022 quarter. Sunset West's net sales increased during the quarter, following a 20% increase in revenues last quarter. Now that we've repositioned Sunset West from a West Coast-centric distribution and supply chain, to a bi-coastal operation. The division is hitting its stride, and we believe it will be a key area for growth for our company. Approximately 50% of demand is now coming from the East Coast, a trend that we believe will continue to grow. For the six-month period, net sales in this segment decreased by 7.4 million, or 11%, with Bradenton Young, HF Custom, and Shenandoah all experiencing sales decreases. while Sunset West reported a 10.7% sales increase. Moving now to cash debt inventory, cash and cash equivalents were $42.1 million at the end of the second quarter, down $1.1 million from the fiscal year end, but up $1.2 million from the first quarter, which ended back in April. Inventory levels decreased by $4.7 million from year end. During the six-month period, we used cash and cash equivalents on hand, as well as $5.3 million of cash generated from operating activities to fund $4.9 million in cash dividends, $2.4 million to further develop our cloud-based ERP system, and $1.4 million of capital expenditures. In addition to our cash balance, we had an aggregate of $28 million available under our existing revolver at quarter end to fund our working capital needs as well as $29.4 million of cash surrender value of company-owned licensure. Focused inventory management and capital expenditures, as well as diligent expense management, we believe we have sufficient financial resources to support our business operations and continue our 50-plus year history of paying quarterly dividends for the foreseeable future. We're in the process of refinancing our credit facility and expect to have that completed in the near future. In addition, we plan to pay off $22 million of term debt during the third quarter, demonstrating our confidence in our company's future. Now I'll turn the discussion back to Jeremy for his outlook.
Thank you, Paul. We are encouraged that inflation hit its lowest post-pandemic level in July, with the consumer price index cooling to 2.9%, setting up a possible interest rate cut in September. There's been a recent surge in mortgage refinancing in August. which is another positive indicator as consumers will benefit from higher monthly disposable income from lower monthly payments on credit cards, homes, and cars. We believe that if the interest rates are lowered, housing activity will accelerate. While the U.S. Department of Commerce reported its 17th consecutive month of lower home furnishings retail sales in July, overall retail sales rose about 3% during the same period, and the University of Michigan Consumer Sentiment Index rose in August for the first time since March. Additionally, existing home sales grew in July, ending a four-month sales decline. Our strong balance sheet, financial condition, and season management team will allow us to navigate the remaining downturn as we focus on maximizing efficiencies with the planned cost reductions. We'll continue investing in expansion strategies that will position us for improved profitability and revenue growth when demand returns. This ends the formal part of our discussion, and at this time, I will turn the call back over to our operator, Daniel, for questions.
As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from Anthony Lebedzinski with Sedoti. Your line is open.
Good morning, and thank you for taking the questions. And certainly nice to see the sequential improvements and the continued strong balance sheet. So first, can you guys just comment on the monthly progression of shipments and orders that you saw during the quarter?
I think it's pretty steady throughout the quarter. I would say business has still got a lot to go to recover, and I think we're sort of bouncing along. I think that's true both of orders and shipments at this point.
Got it. Thanks, Paul. Just wondering if you guys saw any notable regional or geographic differences in terms of your sales patterns?
Good morning, Anthony. You know, not really. I mean, it's interesting because more times than not, you would see that, but it seems to be what I'll call kind of equally tough everywhere. It's not as, not as regional as you would usually see it is how I would describe it right now.
Gotcha. Okay. Yeah. Thanks for that. And Jeremy, you said earlier that the, you guys expect to exceed the target for cost cuts of the $10 million. So can you expand on that? And, you know, I don't know if there's any, I don't know if you're prepared to share any additional numbers, but if you could just, you know, where are you finding opportunities to further streamline the business?
Well, you know, our first objective when we started the exercise and announced to public that we were doing this is we went to really every cost center that we have throughout the company and and tried to find any non-personnel, non-strategic cost that we could eliminate to reach as much savings as possible that was non-personnel related. Once we were through that exercise, we of course went to the personnel as well. And again, even with the personnel, we were very focused on making sure we weren't eliminating strategic cost in order to be able to, you know, execute our organic growth strategy that's in place. I know I'm not specifically answering your question, but I will tell you that when we say we're confident we will surpass the 10 million, we are very confident we will surpass the 10 million.
Okay. Fair. That's fair enough. And then, you know, so as far as HMI, you know, certainly a nice gross margin there, 19 and a half percent. And this is still obviously a tough operating environment. So when the business does improve, um, What would be a reasonable margin or gross margin that is for HMI, you think, once the business recovers?
Paul and I believe 20 would be a reasonable mark or goal for HMI. And it's just to stress, we haven't raised prices. We've simply been able to exit businesses that were dragging that overall margin down. So that's really given us the opportunity we have to improve that number.
And there's been a focus on making sure that the margins on the programs that we have are right. So now it's a matter of just growing sales. The SG&A leverage is where the profitability will come.
Gotcha. Thanks, guys. And then my last question before I pass it on to others. The Labor Day, obviously, is a big holiday for the home furniture sector. I certainly realize that we're only a few days away from the holiday, but just wondering, what are you hearing from your retail partners coming out of the holiday in terms of traffic or order patterns or anything like that? If you could share, that'd be great. Thank you.
As far as from our retailers, we heard it was a reasonably good holiday. They were obviously needed after a tough summer. From a little more tangible, but not very long trend standpoint. Our order rate's been pretty good, actually really good right after, you know, the holiday weekend, which, you know, tells me that we did pretty well. So as an industry, better than we've been doing. So that's a good sign, even though it's a pretty short, you know, it's not really a trend yet.
Understood. Well, thank you very much and best of luck.
Yeah. Thank you, Anthony. We appreciate it.
Thank you. Again, to ask a question, please press star 1-1 on your telephone. Our next question comes from Dave Storms with StoneGate. Your line is open.
Good morning, and thank you for taking my questions. Good morning. When thinking about the outlook and maybe just the duration of the remaining downturn, are there any green shoots that we should be taking a look at? It seems like backlog is remaining fairly stable. Volumes are coming up and branded. You know, sequential gross margin increases. Anything else that you're kind of keeping your eye on that we should think about off the next two to four quarters?
You know, we've talked about we keep our focuses solely on how we get better, how we make sure our product line is at the right level, meaning hot enough, good enough for our customers. And can we ship quickly? Can we achieve the speed to market we want to? So all those factors for us. we think will improve our backlog as the year progresses. One of our goals is to try to get the backlog as strong as we can going towards the last part of this year with really a high focus on the October market and trying to maximize that opportunity as much as we can, which would help the backlog.
Our move to pre-cut multiple collections, we're trying to lead into a strong market with with having product available so that we can try to jumpstart into the new year. So that's what we're looking for is incoming orders and backlog right now.
And we don't pre-cut without understanding what a significant part of our customer base feels about the product. So that's been a lot of work to get out there and see our customers and understand where we are from a product level to be able to make that decision.
Understood. Thank you. And then just turn into the income statement. It looked like a pretty sizable jump in other income. Is there any more color you could give us on what caused that jump both sequentially and year over year?
The biggest item is reversing an accrual for a potential earn out on an acquisition. That was about half of that increase. That would be a non-recurring item. I guess I'll also point out that our tax rate's a little weird this quarter. Because of our profitability and the impact of permanent differences on our tax rate, I would not use the current tax rate in any kind of forecast that you do. I'd go back to a more normal, like a 20%, 23% normalized tax rate while we're talking about that part of the income statement.
Understood. That's very helpful. Thank you. And then just one more from me. With regards to the cost savings, do you anticipate any corollary reduction in maintenance capex spending to go along with these cost savings?
We took another look at our capital budget for the year, and yeah, we're deferring a fairly significant amount of capex. I think most of the The growth initiatives that Jeremy talks about are people and product-related and not capital-intensive. So, yeah, we're pulling back on our capital spending to try to preserve cash. As we see the economic conditions change, we'll reevaluate that. I think we're deferring. We're not canceling projects, but right now we're deferring them.
Understood. Thank you for taking my questions, and good luck in the third quarter.
Thank you. Thanks, Dave.
Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn it back to Jeremy Hoff for closing remarks.
I would like to thank everyone on the call for their interest in hooker furnishings. We look forward to sharing our fiscal 25 third quarter results in December. Take care.
This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.