10/30/2020

speaker
Stephen
Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Honeywell's Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen-only mode, and the floor will be open for your questions following the presentation. If you would like to ask a question at that time, please press star 1 on your touchtone phone. If at any point your question has been answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star 2. Lastly, if you should require operator assistance, please press star 0. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mark Benza, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.

speaker
Mark Benza
Vice President of Investor Relations

Thank you, Stephen. Good morning, and welcome to Honeywell's Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. On the call with me today are Chairman and CEO Darius Adonchek and Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Greg Lewis. This call and webcast, including any non-GAAP reconciliations, are available on our website at .honeywell.com forward slash investor. Note that elements of this presentation contain forward-looking statements that are based on our best view of the world and of our businesses as we see them today. Those elements can change based on many factors, including changing economic and business conditions. And we ask that you interpret them in that light. Unless otherwise noted, the cost action plans described herein are not final and may be modified or even abandoned at any time. No final decision will be taken with respect to such plans without prior satisfaction of any applicable requirements with respect to informing, consulting, or negotiating with employees or the representatives. We identify the principal risks and uncertainties that may affect our performance in our annual report on Form 10-K and other SEC filings. This morning we will review our financial results for the third quarter of 2020, share our guidance for the fourth quarter and full year 2020, and share some preliminary thoughts on 2021 dynamics. As always, we'll leave time for your questions at the end. With that, I'll turn the call over to Chairman and CEO Darius Adonchek.

speaker
Darius Adonchek
Chairman and CEO

Thank you, Mark, and good morning, everyone. Let's begin on slide two. In the past few months, we celebrated two significant milestones. First, we celebrated Honeywell's 100th anniversary as a publicly traded company. We are proud of our longevity and long legacy of innovation. Since 1920, we have navigated the Great Depression, World War II, numerous political changes, the Great Recession, the emergence of disruptive technologies in every market we serve. The reason that Honeywell continues to thrive in all these years, plain and simple, has been our ability to adapt to an ever-changing world and to innovate. The long list of inventions from the last 100 years and our legacy of innovation endures today. For example, we're transforming the way our customers do business through Honeywell Forge, a cloud-based operating model, and we're helping the world cope and recover from the effects of the COVID-19 pandemic with a new portfolio of healthy solutions. In addition, we recently announced a breakthrough in the early era of quantum computing, the introduction of the system model H1, our next generation quantum computer, which offers a proven quantum volume of 128, the highest measured in the industry. We also announced new users, including DHL and Merck, which demonstrate the wide range of quantum computing use cases. The second milestone we celebrate was our return to the Dow Jones Industrial Average. The S&P Dow Jones indices announced in August, Honeywell was previously a Dow component from 1925 to 2008. Our return to the Dow 12 years later reflects years of consistent performance and our ongoing transformation to the world's premier software industrial company. We are proud and honored to rejoin the group of companies that comprise the Dow. Both of these milestones serve as timely reminders of our long legacy of innovation and performance. Throughout our over 100-year history of continuously wisdom to the occasion, doing challenges, inventing new technologies, we're committed to continue our legacy of innovation to shape the future of the next century. Let's turn the slide through to view our third quarter results. I'm very proud of our third quarter performance. We drove sequential improvements from the second quarter in sales, segment margin, and adjusted earnings per share. Although the COVID-19 pandemic continues to impact several of our businesses and end markets, we began to come from second quarter lows through a laser focus on demand generation, operational execution, cost management, and our COVID-related new solutions. We delivered adjusted EPS of $1.56 in the third quarter, down 25 year over year, a 15-point sequential improvement from adjusted EPS of $1.26 in the second quarter, which was down 40% year over year. Organic sales were down 14% better than the more than 15% organic sales decline we expected in July and a 4-point sequential improvement from the 18% organic sales decline in the second quarter. Our cost plans delivered approximately $450 million of -on-year benefits in the third quarter. These actions helped us protect margins, limiting our decremental margins in the third quarter to only 29%, an improvement from 33% in the second quarter. Segment margin contracted 130 basis points, also an improvement from the 280 basis point contraction in the second quarter. We generated $758 million of free cash flow, down from $1.3 billion in the second quarter. As we discussed in July, we expected these cash flow dynamics, which were the result of working capital reductions in the second quarter and higher repositioning cash outflows and capital outflows, to the capital capital growth investments in the third quarter. In terms of capital, we deployed approximately $1 billion of cash to dividends, growth capex investments, and share repurchases. Additionally, we announced our 11th consecutive dividend increase, underscoring our commitment to returning value to share owners, even during the current economic downturn. Let's turn the slide forward to discuss our recent corporate development activity. I'm very excited about our recent announcement that we recently completed two acquisitions and established key partnerships to further drive innovation, strengthen our portfolio, and invest in the future. First, we acquired Rocky Research, a technology leader specializing in thermal, energy, and power management solutions. This acquisition will expand our broad existing aerospace portfolio and position us with an advanced capability in the fast-growing power and thermal management market, which is critical to the growing needs for aircraft electrification, unmanned autonomous aerial vehicles, and related systems. We also acquired assets from privately held Ballard Unmanned Systems that extends our presence into the hydrogen fuel cell market for unmanned aerial systems and strengthens our urban air mobility product portfolio. Ballard Unmanned Systems designs and produces industry-leading, stored hydrogen proton exchange membrane fuel cell systems that power unmanned aerial systems, or UAS. In addition to the creation of the new business unit specifically dedicated to the UAS-UAM market earlier this year, this acquisition is yet another example of our commitment to invest in our UAS-UAM breakthrough initiative in the growing UAS market. I'm also pleased that we announced a new partnership between Honeywell and Microsoft that will reshape the industrial workplace. Honeywell Forge will integrate with Microsoft Dynamics Field Service to provide cloud-based predictive solutions to building owners and operators with closed-loop maintenance workflows, strengthening business continuity, and improving operational efficiency. Moving forward, we're exploring more ways to bring innovation to customers by integrating Honeywell Forge solutions with Microsoft's Azure services such as Azure Digital Twins or Azure Edge capabilities. We also announced a partnership with Verter, a global provider of critical digital infrastructure and continuity solutions to improve sustainability, resiliency, and operational performance for data center operations across the globe. We look forward to collaborating with Verter to offer integrated solutions that make it easier for data center operators to distill the mountains of data they pull from their equipment into actions that create more efficient and environmentally friendly operations. The first offering from our partnership will be an intelligent power management solution that features an energy resource management and supervisory control system in a single integrated platform. In total, we expect these investments in partnership to drive over $1.2 billion of sales over the next five years. There's a lot of great progress and I'm pleased by the momentum in these areas. Now let me turn it over to Greg on slide five to discuss our third quarter results in more detail as well as to provide our views on the fourth quarter.

speaker
Greg Lewis
Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Darius, and good morning, everyone. As Darius highlighted, we're very pleased with the third quarter. Our operational execution drove significant sequential improvements from Q2 and an improvement versus our expectations in July, particularly in revenue. While third quarter sales declined by 14% organically due to the effects of the pandemic, this was a four-point improvement from the 18% organic sales decline in Q2 with sequential growth in all four segments. Importantly, we delivered strong double-digit organic sales growth in our defense in space, warehouse automation, and PPE businesses as well as in recurring software sales in HCE. Lower sales volumes and mix in aerospace and PMC We drove 130 basis points of -over-year segment margin contraction but we once again expanded margins in HPC and SPS to drive 140 basis points of sequential margin expansion from the second quarter. Our cost actions delivered approximately $450 million of -on-year benefit in the quarter, which brought us to approximately $1.1 billion of savings -to-date. We acted fast and early in this crisis and are now on track to deliver $1.5 to $1.6 billion of cost savings in 2020 off from our previous estimate of $1.4 to $1.6 billion. Adjusted earnings per share was $1.56, down 25% -over-year but up 24% sequentially from adjusted EPS of $1.26 in the second quarter. We recorded $124 million of repositioning in the quarter to fund cost savings initiatives for 2020 and into 2021. That repositioning funding was higher than the third quarter of last year driving a 4-cent headwind below the line and interest income was lower than the third quarter of last year driving a 5-cent headwind below the line. As expected, our higher adjusted effective tax rate resulted in a 5-cent EPS headwind partially offset by 4 cents of EPS benefit due to lower share counts from our share repurchase program. This quarter, EPS is adjusted to exclude the impact of a non-cash $350 million pre-tax and after-tax charge associated with the reduction in carrying value to present value of reimbursement receivables due from Garrett in relation to Garrett's September 20, 2020, Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing which we previously announced with the filing of our Form 8K. A bridge from adjusted earnings per share in the third quarter of 2019 to adjusted earnings per share in the third quarter of 2020 can be found in the appendix of this presentation. We generated $0.8 billion of free cash flow in the quarter down year over year as we discussed in some detail in our Q2 earnings call. Lower net income, higher repositioning cash flow and higher growth capex investment pressured cash resulting in adjusted free cash conversion of 68%. We expect the repo and capex dynamics to continue into the fourth quarter as we continue to drive our savings programs and investing growth and will also have the impact of an additional payroll cycle as we've shared previously. We do expect sequential improvement of free cash flow despite that driven by working capital improvements mainly in inventory in the quarter. In terms of capital deployment, we paid out $636 million in dividends and as Darius mentioned, announced our 11th consecutive dividend increase. We resumed opportunistic share purchases and invested $249 million in capital expenditures in the quarter up approximately $60 million from the prior year. This included investments that we were making to produce N95 masks to support the COVID-19 relief efforts and to increase capacity in our warehouse automation business. Overall, we continue to execute commercially and operationally while investing for the future, driving sequential improvements in sales, segment margin and EPS and setting ourselves up for the quarters to come. Now let's turn to slide 6 and we can talk about our individual segment results. Starting with aerospace sales were down 25% on the organic basis as the ongoing reduction in flight hours and slowdown in original equipment build rates impacted commercial aftermarket and original equipment demand. Our transport aftermarket business was down 55% organically compared to 56% in the second quarter. However, our business aviation aftermarket was down 28% organically in the third quarter, which was a significant improvement from the approximate 50% decline we saw in Q2. We continue to have strong demands for US and international defense with space-streading double-digit organic growth in that segment for the quarter. Segment margin contracted 240 basis points year over year driven by lower commercial sales volumes and business mix partially upset by cost actions to improve productivity. That was a 240 basis point sequential improvement from Q2 levels for aerospace. In Honeywell building technologies, sales were down 8% organically, a significant improvement from the 17% organic decline in the second quarter. The third quarter decline was primarily driven by lower demand for building management systems, security and electrical products and softness in building solutions due to delays in projects and energy businesses, some of which was a result of resource mobility constraints, particularly in India and the Middle East. However, organic sales in all HPT businesses improved sequentially from the second quarter, creating positive momentum into Q4. Orders for the building solutions projects and energy businesses both grew double digits organically in the third quarter. Additionally, the building solutions service backlog is up double digits year over year driven by larger orders in the Middle East and Asia. We are experiencing significant customer momentum with our portfolio of healthy building solutions. Our sales pipeline is over $600 million and we have secured orders around the world from Charlotte to Singapore. HPT's segment margins expanded versus last year by 60 basis points in the quarter, driven by commercial excellence and cost actions to improve productivity, which offset the impact of lower sales volumes. In performance materials and technologies, sales were down 16% on an organic basis, a slight improvement from down 17% in the second quarter. Process solution sales were down 12% organically, a one-point improvement from 13% organic decline in Q2, driven by delays in service and automation projects as customers conserve cash and volumes decline in smart energy and thermal solutions. In UOP, sales were down 36% organically, steeper than the 25% organic decline in Q2, driven by declines in gas processing investment, lower licensing and engineering, and fewer catalyst shipments due to weakness in the energy and markets. As expected, COVID-19 and oil price weakness continues to drive delayed bookings in HPS and UOP. However, we still have not seen significant project cancellations and our backlog is approximately flat for the prior year. Organic sales and advanced materials were down 4% in the third quarter, a 14-point improvement from an 18% decline in Q2, driven by lower volumes and floating products partially offset by growth in packaging and composites. Auto refrigerants returned to growth in the third quarter as the auto end markets experienced a rapid recovery. P&T's second margins contracted 220 basic points in the quarter, a 70-point sequential improvement as the impact of lower sales volumes and mix were partially offset by cost actions to improve productivity. Finally, in safety and productivity solutions, sales were up 8% organically, a 7-point improvement from the 1% organic growth we had in Q2. All SPS businesses apart from GasSense and GreenWin quarter with double-digit organic growth in IntelliGRADE and personal protective equipment leading the way and -single-digit growth in productivity solutions and services which was driven by strong demand for scanning and mobility products. Orders in SPS were up double digits for the fourth consecutive quarter driven by personal protective equipment up approximately 150% -over-year continuing to position SPS well for the fourth quarter and into 2021. SPS backlog was up approximately 100% -over-year to a new record high led by triple-digit growth and personal protective equipment and IntelliGRADE backlog. Despite some inefficiencies as we scale up capacity in the P&T space, SPS segment margins expanded 50 basic points in the quarter driven by productivity actions and commercial excellence. As our new capacity comes up to rate, we expect favorable contributions to SPS segment margins. So overall, we finished the third quarter with sequential improvements in the second quarter and all businesses making progress. We grew double digits in several businesses including Desense, IntelliGRADE and TP&E and due to freedom cost management and commercial excellence we were able to limit our decadental margins to 29% overall, a four point improvement versus three Qs and expanded margins in two of our four segments. Now let's turn to page seven and discuss our outlook for Q4. Throughout the pandemic, we've remained committed to providing shareholders with a quarterly outlook that's commensurate with our level of visibility and the environment we're in. We believe we have enough at this stage in the fourth quarter of 2020 to reinstate full financial guidance for the quarter. However, this guidance is predicated on having no material supply chain or end market disruption through the end of the year. We will independently reassess the macro environment in January to determine the appropriate format of our 2021 financial outlook based on conditions at that time. As we proceed to the fourth quarter, we're actively monitoring the situation as many factors remain unpredictable including COVID-19 infection rates which we are seeing increases globally and particularly in the last two weeks. As of now, we expect organic growth in the fourth quarter in the range of down 11 to down 14%, driven by continued headwinds in commercial aerospace and UOP, partially offset by ongoing strength in defense, warehouse automation, and P&P and gradual recovery in the remaining portions of portfolio. We expect segment margin in the range of down 10 to down 30 basis points, resulting in segment margins in the range of 21.1 to .3% in the fourth quarter, which would be another 100-plus BIF sequential improvement as we gain leverage off our reduced cost base and drive commercial productivity. The net -the-line impact, which is the difference between segment profit and income before tax, is expected to be between negative 50 million and positive $10 million in the fourth quarter, which includes capacity for an additional 50 to 100 million of repositioning to drive productivity into 2021. We expect the effective tax rate to be approximately 19% in the fourth quarter and average share count to be approximately 710 million shares. As a result, we expect EPS between $1.97 and $2.02 down 2% to 4% -over-year adjusted. Now let me provide a little color on the top line. In aerospace, we expect ongoing growth in defense and space supported by stable government defense budgets and continued sequential improvement in business aviation aftermarket sales as flight hours improve. However, global flight hours will remain far below pre-COVID levels and we don't expect air transport flight hours to improve materially, impacting our air transport aftermarket sales. Our commercial original equipment business will continue to be impacted by lower air transport OEM build rates and lower business jet demand due to the economic slowdown. In building technologies, we expect sequential sales growth driven by improvements in fire, security and building management systems. We expect access to customer sites to improve in the fourth quarter driving sequential improvement in long cycle building solutions projects and orders. Our healthy building pipeline, which is currently over $600 million, is maturing nicely and we expect to continue generating pipeline and orders in the fourth quarter. In PMT, we expect ongoing challenges in UOP and process solutions as customer capex and op-ex reductions and lower production and refining volumes continue. However, we expect sequential sales growth in the products businesses and process solutions and advanced materials as these end markets including automotive continue to strengthen. Finally, in SPS, we expect another quarter of double digit growth in integrated and personal protective equipment. We continue to see record level demand for respiratory masks and other PPE. Our personal protective equipment and integrated backlogs remain up triple digits year over year and our total SPS backlogs at a new all-time high giving us confidence in the remainder of 2020 and into 2021 for the business. While macro conditions continue to put pressure on other SPS businesses including sensing and IOP and gas sensing, we expect to see sequential improvement in the fourth quarter. So given these fourth quarter dynamics for the full year, we expect organic growth in the range of down 12 to down 13% and segment margins in the range of down 60 to 70 basis points resulting in segment margin in the range of 20.4 to .5% for the year. The adjusted net below the line impact is expected to be between negative 185 and $125 million for the full year. We expect the adjusted effective tax rate to be approximately 21% and the average share count to be approximately 711 million shares. As a result, full year adjusted earnings per share are expected to be between $7 and $7.05, down 14% year on year. Now let's move to slide eight and we can talk about some of our preliminary thoughts as we look into 2021. 2020 has clearly been a challenging year and it continues to be very dynamic as we all see real time. Many uncertainties persist as we look into 2021 so let's highlight how we're thinking about them. Our current planning stance is that a COVID-19 vaccine will receive approval and becomes available sometime in early 2021, allowing the global economy to largely reopen as the year progresses. We're also assuming fiscal stimulus remains supportive of the economy. We're currently seeing a second wave of infections in several regions, including the US and parts of Europe so we'll need to watch how that situation develops. We're seeing no significant shocks to the economy from post-election circumstances and a stable geopolitical environment, particularly as it relates to US-China trade relations. With this in mind, let's look at our key markets. In aerospace, as the pandemic subsides and the global economy continues to recover, we've seen passengers will begin flying again, leading to modest improvement in global flight hours that begins in the first half and accelerates slightly into the second half of the year. This will directly lead to improvements in our commercial aerospace business as aftermarket demand grows. We also expect stability in defense budget spending supporting continued growth and our defense and space business will likely at a reduced pace versus our 2020 growth rates. In HPT, we expect stability in non-res construction with a greater emphasis on retrofits driving demand for building products and services which should support continued demand for our healthy building solutions. In PMT, we're assuming improved macroeconomic conditions will drive moderate increases in oil prices in the second half of the year leading to improved business conditions and refining petrochemical and process automation in UOPs and process solutions as the year progresses. SPS will be a robust growth segment from the strength in warehouse automation and personal protective equipment as we execute delivery of our robust backlog. We expect segment margins here to balance the challenge of higher mixed and integrated growth and the efficiency as our PP and E operations scale more efficiently. From a total Honeywell perspective, we expect organic growth driven by year over year growth in all four segments as well as double digit connected software growth in HPE. We expect our Streamline 6 cost base following 2020 cost actions to support a resumption in year over year margin expansion while affording the opportunity to invest in growth particularly in R&D and connected enterprise commercialization and the continuation of our supply chain and Honeywell digital transformations. We expect to take advantage of our significant balance sheet capacity for M&A and share repurchases as well. We expect to reduce share count by a minimum of 1% again in 2021 and we'll be resuming buybacks as early as 4K to do so. So overall, we have some insight into our end markets and confidence in our continued operational execution which will give us the ability to resume financial performance consistent with our prior framework in 2021. We'll provide more specific inputs once we close out the year. With that, I'd like to turn the call back over to Jarest.

speaker
Darius Adonchek
Chairman and CEO

Thank you, Greg. Before we wrap up, I'd like to take a minute on slide 9 to discuss an important topic. Our commitment to a sustainable future which is one of the key elements of our overall ESG story. At Honeywell, we believe our robust environmental, social, and governance or ESG framework enables our long-term success. Despite the unprecedented challenges we have faced this year, our commitment to our ESG principles is not labored. To the contrary, I believe our perpetual drive to strengthen the sustainability of our business and uphold the highest ethical standards has only fortified our resilience. Our commitment to ESG is centered on the protection of our people and the environment, achieving sustainable growth and accelerated productivity and developing technologies to expand the sustainability capacity of our world. As evident, we established robust -10-10 ESG goals to achieve by 2024 and we closely monitor progress against these goals. Additionally, starting this year as part of our continued focus on sustainability reporting, we are reporting in alignment with the SASB and TCFD framework. As you can see on the slide, we have already worked extensively to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, increase energy efficiency, conserve water, and proactively restore former operations of predecessor company sites to produce community assets. Honeywell is uniquely positioned to shape a safer and more sustainable future. We continue to invent and develop technologies that provide our customers with adaptable and efficient solutions to their safety, energy, and environmental needs. In fact, we focus approximately 50% of our new product research and development on solutions that improve environmental and social outcomes for our customers. Some of the challenges our technologies address include sustainable refrigerants and aerosols, sustainable buildings and building safety, sustainable aviation and aviation safety, sustainable electric power, plant and personnel safety, sustainable freight, and worker safety. We have also recently created a new business in P&P called Sustainable Technology Solutions to develop and commercialize new technologies that meet the growing demand for sustainable solutions, including plastics recycling, energy storage, and renewable fuels. These technologies will advance environmental sustainability, contribute to the expansion of our technology portfolio, and accelerate long-term growth. Now, let's wrap up on slide 10. We continue to effectively manage the ongoing challenges of this global pandemic in social and economic environments with a strong operational execution that is typical of Honeywell, driving sequential improvement from the second quarter in sales, segment origin and adjusted earnings per share. Our diversified portfolio, innovation culture, and significant balance sheet strength continue to provide the resilience and ample capacity as we continue to set ourselves up for the recovery and beyond. We deliver double-digit growth in several parts of the portfolio, including defense and space, integrated personal protective equipment and recurring software. We are also continuing to invest in growth opportunities through M&A, partnerships, and high-return capex. We are gaining traction on our innovative solutions that address emerging customer needs. We continue to align our cost base with the current environment, and we are now on track to deliver $1.5 billion to $1.6 billion of cost savings in 2020. I am proud of the improvements we drove in the third quarter. We are effectively managing the current environment and have positioned ourselves well for the recovery through cost action and growth investments. In addition, we remain committed to doing our part to ensure a sustainable future by protecting our people and the environment, as well as the developing technology to improve the world's sustainability. With that, Mark, let's move to Q&A.

speaker
Mark Benza
Vice President of Investor Relations

Thank you, Darius. Darius and Greg are now available to answer your questions. Steven, please open the line for Q&A.

speaker
Stephen
Operator

With pleasure, sir. The floor is now open for questions. At this time, if you have a question or comment, please press star one on your touchtone phone. If at any point your question has been answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star two. We ask that when you pose your question, you please pick up your handset. And we will begin with our first question from Scott Davis with Mellius Research. Please go ahead.

speaker
Scott Davis
Analyst at Mellius Research

Good morning, guys.

speaker
Greg Lewis
Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Good morning, sir.

speaker
Scott Davis
Analyst at Mellius Research

Good presentation and obviously really good decadentals. But I just wanted to focus a little bit on the future and one of the real tools you have, I think, Darius and Greg, is your balance sheet. You know, what, I mean, perhaps just update us a little bit on M&A and then what's your appetite to getting more aggressive in purchases here, in your share purchases just given, I think, a disconnect between your stock price and perhaps the upside reality.

speaker
Darius Adonchek
Chairman and CEO

Yeah. I think, you know, in short, I think the story isn't any different. I mean, we were very pleased that we were able to complete a couple of recent acquisitions, although they're not enormous. They are meaningful and as you can see, you know, the impact in the longer term for our business is actually quite significant. It's a billion dollar plus and I think you always have to put these kinds of acquisitions in place that although may initially appear small, they're really building for the future and these two are very much in that category. I will also tell you that our pipeline is very robust at the moment, probably in better shape than it's been a long time. You know, M&A environment is getting better. You know, there's some real practical challenges to doing M&A because, you know, especially for international M&A, I mean, to conduct due diligence is quite a challenge. I mean, you know, the quarantine can place and travel and as you can imagine, much of the due diligence team comes from corporate. So, they're not necessarily local so that's creating some challenges but we're working through that and we're looking at some things that are domestic as well as international. So I think we're going to continue to do that. You know, as you've heard through our presentation today, we're recommitting to a 1% share account reduction at least for the upcoming year. You know, so it's sort of, you know, getting back to business and the business is improving. You know, we drove nice, I think, sequential progress from Q2. We're going to drive again strong progress into Q4. Our decrementals are now going to get down into the low 20s. I think that that's a very good performance given the cars we've dealt and, you know, I think we're going to do what we always do, which is deliver for today but also deliver for the future and I think those two acquisitions we made earlier this month are indicative of that.

speaker
Scott Davis
Analyst at Mellius Research

Okay, that's helpful. And then, quantum is something that you guys have been talking about for the last year and it steps a little over my head. But how do you get paid for this? What do you envision the pricing model? Is there any way to kind of identify a TAM around that or, you know, an opportunity that we can start to think about?

speaker
Darius Adonchek
Chairman and CEO

I think, you know, the sort of the business models, pricing, value models are still evolving as you can imagine. I mean, they can vary anything from, you know, recover some part of the value that you create by solving the problem which frankly is the model we would prefer although it's a little more challenging to implement but to, you know, leasing time and those kinds of structures and, you know, early on we're going to experiment, we're going to try it. You know, I think the thing that's exciting about our quantum effort is twofold. The first thing is as you saw yesterday we're making very strong progress in terms of technology and we believe we have the world's most advanced quantum computer. The second part and I think this is maybe even more important. We're gaining more and more customers because people are willing to pay for these services, you know, so you can sort of make all sorts of claims but if you can't secure customers and revenue which we're now starting to do I think that's a pretty good testimony of saying that we have something real and differentiated and continue to gain momentum on the commercial side.

speaker
Scott Davis
Analyst at Mellius Research

Okay, good luck guys. Thank you. I'll pass it on.

speaker
Stephen
Operator

Thanks, Scott. And we will take our next question from Steve Tuso with JPMorgan. Please go ahead. Hey guys, good morning.

speaker
Operator
Operator

Good

speaker
Greg Lewis
Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

morning.

speaker
Steve Tuso
Analyst at JPMorgan

I think looking at the subsegment data that your aftermarket aerospace commercial aftermarket was up 18%, something like that sequentially. Can you just maybe confirm that and then also just talk about how you may be leveraged to flight hours. I mean, you seem to be kind of you know, bouncing off the bottom sooner than some of these other guys kind of leading off the bottom if you will.

speaker
Greg Lewis
Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Well, I think Steve we're down in the ATR aftermarket by again, mid-50s, 55% I think which is similar to what I thought I heard from some of the peer groups you know, earlier this week and again, consistent with really Q2 where we were down 56%. So, yeah, nominally it's up a little bit as you mentioned but you know, kind of on a -on-year basis it's pretty consistent with what we saw in Q2. Obviously the upside on the VGA was nice because that went from down 50 to only down 28 so we saw some nice sequential improvement on the VGA space.

speaker
Steve Tuso
Analyst at JPMorgan

Yeah, I mean I think, you know whether they're coming from business jets or aircraft, I think revenues still matter but it was up your total commercial aftermarket was up 18% or something like that, essentially, correct? Yeah, I

speaker
Greg Lewis
Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

believe that's true that's what we have here.

speaker
Steve Tuso
Analyst at JPMorgan

Okay, when it comes to the commercial aftermarket the large stuff how tethered is that to flight hours versus, you know, perhaps stuff that's a little more kind of inventory and, you know, kind of durable goods type of related stuff?

speaker
Greg Lewis
Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, so far we haven't seen any divergence in between our MSP growth which is, you know, that's the power by the hour that's directly tied and more of our, you know, shop business spares, etc. Those right now are moving in very similar, you know, trajectories as far as -on-year growth so they have not diverged in any meaningful way so far.

speaker
Steve Tuso
Analyst at JPMorgan

Got it. So you guys should kind of lead out of this if biz jets continue to trend and, you know, you're kind of tracking flight hours in your large commercial aftermarket stuff.

speaker
Greg Lewis
Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, and if you talk about it I mean, really the growth in flight hours is obviously, you know, tied very closely to confidence which waxes and wanes you know, almost on a -by-month basis based on the circumstances on the ground so, but yes, at this moment that's, you know, where we expected to move pretty closely to the movement in flight hours but that's a little bit of why we're, you know, it's hard to really predict where that's going to go at the moment.

speaker
Darius Adonchek
Chairman and CEO

Yeah, and just to make it clear, excuse me, I mean, you know, we're expecting sort of very, very modest improvement in, you know, Q4 and then, you know, continued improvement on a sequential basis but that does presume some medical solution starting to get rolled out early in 2021 which, you know, frankly, I don't think it's completely unrealistic based on what I've been reading and I think it gives our aerospace business actually a really nice long runway for the next two to three years as things ramp up so, you know, given the adjusted cost base I think this is actually a pretty positive thing and I do want to note one thing about the cost because, you know, we've been going through something called Huddingwell Digital Automation and so on. This is not just kind of a stupid rip-out of cost just to reduce it. Much of what we've done is we just accelerated some of our initiatives that we're going to go do anyway so I think that some of this is sustained. Now, granted, it's going to be offset somewhat by investments but I think it's important to note that, you know, this is a bit of an acceleration of some of the initiatives that we were doing anyway.

speaker
Steve Tuso
Analyst at JPMorgan

Got it. And then just one last quick one on HBT. You know, watching a bit of those Tech Forum presentations over the last couple of weeks seems like there's a lot of activity that building managers are trying to, you know, kind of figure out how to approach ESG and obviously IAQ for COVID and you guys seem to be kind of at the center of that. Obviously some of the HVAC guys are making a bigger deal out of it and it wouldn't necessarily translate, you know, today into revenues. How big is kind of the, you know, is the quotation activity there? Is the, you know, can you quantify in a way what maybe the front log of discussions are around customers coming to you and, you know, are the phones lighting up as people are asking you about, you know, how to kind of manage all this and just kind of curious as to how if activity is picked up there at all.

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Darius Adonchek
Chairman and CEO

Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, think about an open pipeline and half a billion dollar range in terms of some of our healthy buildings offerings, you know, bookings in the kind of double digit million range, mid double digit, you know, with a potential to approach triple to, you know, 100 million plus hopefully by the end of the year. So, you know, it's accelerating. It's something that everybody needs. I mean, most, at least in the US and some other parts of the world people are not back working in the workplace yet but when they do come back, they do want to come back to a healthier environment. I think we're kind of hitting the spot there and the time to implement those solutions is now not after people come back. So we're also seeing good activity and very encouraged by the early progress. That 500

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Steve Tuso
Analyst at JPMorgan

million did you say?

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Darius Adonchek
Chairman and CEO

Pipeline, pipeline Steve.

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Steve Tuso
Analyst at JPMorgan

Yeah, okay, great.

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Stephen
Operator

Thanks.

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Steve Tuso
Analyst at JPMorgan

Thanks.

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Stephen
Operator

Appreciate it. Exactly. And we will take our next question from Nicole deBlaise with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.

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Nicole deBlaise
Analyst at Deutsche Bank

Yeah, thanks. Good morning, guys.

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Stephen
Operator

Good morning. Good morning.

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Nicole deBlaise
Analyst at Deutsche Bank

So I just wanted to focus first a little bit on free cash. Totally understand that you guys had made the commentary about 2Q being the high point of the year but I mean, I guess I was surprised that inventory was actually up a little bit year on year. So is there an opportunity to improve inventory as you move into 4Q and into 2021?

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Greg Lewis
Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, that's exactly the way this lays out and what we discussed as you mentioned in July. So we knew that we were going to get pressure from the 7 costs associated with all the retail that we're doing. We saw that it was almost $200 million year over year increase. And we talked about the capital, which again, even in this environment, we're continuing to invest in CapEx, particularly in PPD and Intelligrated. And then, yes, we talk about inventory as really the thing we've got to make some moves on. We've got a long cycle business in aerospace which has a pretty sizable tranche of inventory there. We're working through that now. We expect the fourth quarter to start seeing that come down. So that is exactly the playbook that we're running and as I mentioned in my comments, we do expect cash flow to get better sequentially from the third to the fourth quarter but we also, again, we'll continue. We talked about it even in the very beginning of the year, we're going to have an extra payroll cycle in December with the length of the year, which is called $150 million roundabout pressure. So yes, those are the dynamics. And then as we get into next year, we continue to work on capital and cash is always a big focus for the company and we continue to make improvements in those areas and Honeywell Digital also is one of the aspects that will help us in that case.

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Darius Adonchek
Chairman and CEO

Yeah, Nicole, just to add a couple of things. Number one is Q3 was at or slightly even above what we expected. So there's no surprise here given the cash hit on the restructuring and the incremental investment in growth capital. So that's a key point. Second point is, as we get into a Q4, although we had some headwinds from this extra pay cycles, we do expect our conversion to be over 100%, kind of get back that on track. So, and we indicated that Q3 could be challenged because we knew we were facing this extra headwinds in terms of cash for I think good reasons. I mean, one is investment in making the business more efficient and the second investment was in growth capital. So really not a surprise at all to us where we ended up cash probably a little bit even up where we expected. And last comment on inventory is, as you can imagine, for a long cycle business like aerospace, as we kind of started tuning down our outlooks early in Q2, it takes a little bit of time to kind of get through the system and we expected to see more benefit in terms of inventory reductions as we head into Q4 and beyond.

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Nicole deBlaise
Analyst at Deutsche Bank

Got it. Thanks, Greg and Darius. That's really helpful color. And then for my second question, I just wanted to ask one more on M&A, clearly a very hot topic for you guys. I guess, as we've moved through the pandemic, and you've seen some kind of changes in what's going on by end markets and the outlooks, have your M&A priorities changed at all with respect to the areas of the portfolio where you'd be interested in making deals? And I guess maybe where I'm a little focused is, does aerospace become more attractive opportunities given what's going on in that end market?

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Darius Adonchek
Chairman and CEO

Yeah, I mean, obviously on your last one, obviously some of the aerospace assets are probably at different value points that we haven't seen in a while, so from that perspective it is appealing. You know, would our priorities dramatically change? I would say it's probably too early to tell because I'm not really ready to declare as to what the post-COVID world will look like and I think we need to see a little bit of what that will look like. But, you know, I mean, in terms of our levels of interest, I mean, they really vary across all our businesses including HCE and, you know, we envision a scenario where we're going to augment and do bolt-ons for all five of our businesses. So I wouldn't say it's changed dramatically. Obviously the aerospace segment is a bit more approachable from an evaluation perspective currently.

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Nicole deBlaise
Analyst at Deutsche Bank

Thanks, Dr. Pappadon.

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Darius Adonchek
Chairman and CEO

Thank you.

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Stephen
Operator

We will take our next question from Andy Kaplewicz with Citigroup. Please go ahead. Hey, good morning,

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Operator
Operator

guys. Good morning.

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Andy Kaplewicz
Analyst at Citigroup

There is, sir Greg, achieving 20 to 20, 22 to 23% decremental margin in Q4 would be another significant improvement from Q3 as decremental. So could you talk about where you expect to see the most improvement? It seems like it may be in Arrow, given the improvement in Q3. And then for all of Honeywell, what does it tell you about the carryover of permanent cost reduction that you've talked about before that 60% to 70% of the $1.55 billion into 21, and does it give you confidence in terms of recording incrementals that could be above the decrementals you reported at the bottom of the cycle?

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Darius Adonchek
Chairman and CEO

Yeah, I mean, you know, in terms of decrementals, I mean, I think we're expecting those across the business because as you can imagine, a lot of our cost action occurred, you know, Q2 and during Q3, so you didn't see the full benefit of those actions until the quarter ended, and that obviously rose through into Q4. So, you know, we have a lot of confidence in those decrementals dropping into the low 20s from that 29 that you saw this year. That's, you know, I think we acted quickly, decisively, and made those adjustments across, which I think is really going to pay off, not just in 2020, but 2021 and 2022 is really positioning Compton Well for the future while still investing for the future, which I think is important because we need to do that in 2021. So I think that the story is that we're very confident. Maybe one other thing I'll add before I turn it over to Greg here is, you know, we're bringing up a lot of capacity in our SPS business. We brought on a lot of capacity in Q3. We're bringing more on in Q4, both an expansion of capacity as well as really maximizing the efficiency of that capacity because you can imagine when you first bring capacity on board, it is not at its ideal efficiency the first or second month. It takes a little bit of time. But the good news here is that as we get into 2021, not only will we get substantial expansion in SPS capacity, we're also going to be much more efficient in processing the backlog that we have. And we're already starting to see that even in this month, but we're still in the capacity expansion. I'll turn it over to Greg. Yeah,

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Greg Lewis
Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

so Andy, I mean, the simple way I would, because I agree with Eric, I think we're going to get that improvement across the board. But the simplest way to think about it is we're going to get leverage in Q4. I mean, we're keeping our fixed cost base fairly close to flat sequentially from the third to the fourth quarter. We will start to see some, you know, costs increase, the travel returns to some degree and so on. But with a sequential improvement of revenue that we will see from the third to the fourth quarter, you're going to see, I think, you know, leverage across the portfolio. And then as it relates to your question on 2021, I think our position is still the same. That one five to one six cost reduction that we are delivering on, you know, we think 60 to 70% of that persists since the 2021, which means we're going to see something in the neighborhood of calling it a half a billion dollars with a headwind, you know, year on year into 21 due to the temporary nature of some of those costs. And so very much consistent with what we had laid out in the last two calls. And, you know, we're very confident in our execution around those plans and actions.

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Andy Kaplewicz
Analyst at Citigroup

Very helpful. And then, Darius, obviously it seems like you continue to face some pressure in PMT and specifically UOP. I think you said in UOP, sub-bigger year over year decline in Q3. Are you seeing any signs of improvement yet within UOP and HPS? And you did have good backlog at HPS coming into the downturn. I think you mentioned flattish backlog for this quarter. Are you seeing any signs of projects moving forward again within HPS? And what are customers telling you about the prospects for recovery in 2021?

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Darius Adonchek
Chairman and CEO

Yes, a couple of points. You know, first one is, I think that the part of PMT that particularly challenges our gas processing business, because, you know, as you know, the number of rigs and so on, that that's way down year over year and gas processing is down year over year. The other thing to keep in mind is that as a lot of our customers who are much of the oil and gas customers as they announced their capex and op-ex cuts for the year, they're not likely to reverse those in 2020. I mean, so, you know, we really don't expect to see an uptick this year. We expect an uptick next year as some of those budgets get normalized and as you know, you know, when you can't not invest in your infrastructure for too long, you're actually going to have a crisis the other way where your demand is going to dramatically supply. So we envision an incremental improvement and obviously there's an alignment to the overall economic conditions here that so as the world returns back to a little bit more of the normal, we also should see that pick up in PMT. The thing that I am very encouraged by is that we have not seen project cancellations. We've seen slide-outs and push-outs, but we have not seen cancellations. Frankly, you know, when I was running the PMT business in 2015 and 2016, we saw probably more cancellations back then than we are now. So I think that that's very encouraging and I'm bullish on PMT for 2021 and beyond.

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Andy Kaplewicz
Analyst at Citigroup

Appreciate

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Stephen
Operator

it, guys.

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Darius Adonchek
Chairman and CEO

Thank you.

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Stephen
Operator

And we will take our next question from Jeff Sprog with Vertical Research. Please go ahead. Thank you. Good morning, everyone.

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Greg Lewis
Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Good morning. Good morning. Hey, just two from me. First, I guess for Greg, just to clarify the comment about the headwind next year on return of costs. And I understand that's consistent with what you said, but I think today for the first time we are getting the comment, you know, quote, unquote, strong incremental margins for 2021. I just want to clarify whether strong incremental margins net of that headwind. Is that the message? The message is that we're going to return to margin expansion. And I would say that is including that incremental headwind. I think the way we position ourselves from a fixed cost standpoint, Jeff, is, you know, we're setting ourselves up for the ability to grow margins and invest back in the business next year. And I think that's, you know, Gary highlighted earlier, we're not going to try to have a blowout 21 and leave it all on the table. We've got some very important transformation initiatives that we want to make sure we're continuing to invest in. And we've got some important investments to make in our breakthrough initiatives in quantum and, you know, in HCE, et cetera. So we do expect a return to our margin expansion framework even net of that, you know, called half a billion dollar headwind. Yeah,

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Darius Adonchek
Chairman and CEO

just to add to that, Jeff, and I just echo what Greg said. I think that's exactly right. I mean, we will drive margin expansion next year. There's no question about that. How much is still a little bit of a TBD and that includes, by the way, the impact of those headwinds. So, you know, we're accounting for that. But we also have to invest in the future. And I think, you know, particularly some areas R&D specifically, Aero, HCE, annual digital, those are areas where we definitely want to invest in. And, you know, we're not through our planning cycle, but, you know, what we're going to try to do is offer a very compelling return for our investors while investing for the future. That's always the balance we're going to have and we're going to do both. And we're pretty confident it's going to be a very compelling year for our investors. Also, you know, we're going to invest for the future.

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Greg Lewis
Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Now that makes sense. And maybe somewhat related, Darius, you mentioned, and I think Greg, obviously, going through this difficult environment was, you know, a window to accelerate restructuring and some other things that maybe were on the shelf that you would have done later. Given that, you know, should we expect kind of a, you know, a more normal kind of restructuring year kind of, you know, from a kind of, you know, kind of historical brute force type of restructuring relative to what we saw in 2020 here?

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Darius Adonchek
Chairman and CEO

Can you repeat that because I didn't quite get it. Back to what kind of structure, Jeff?

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Greg Lewis
Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, no, the question is really just on the, you know, kind of restructuring in the cost base itself kind of the normal kind of flow of restructuring. Yeah, yeah, I get it. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, it's,

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Darius Adonchek
Chairman and CEO

yeah, thank you. Yeah, so I think, you know, we're going to return to more normalized levels. I mean, yeah, this is, you know, obviously we pulled some things in that we were probably going to do later to rationalize our cost structure because frankly we had to. I mean, you know, we, that's what we were facing early in Q2 and we did we did do that. So I think, you know, as we look in 2021 and 2022, I mean, we're going to return to a little bit more of a normalized now. But Jeff, as you know, you know, this never totally exits our playbook. I mean, in good times and bad we always look for opportunities to be much more efficient. So, you know, yeah, it's not going to be at the same level as this year but we still are executing our ISD transformation. We're still executing digital. That's going to be. Yeah, so it's all going to continue to pay off in terms of, you know, productivity and efficiency. So hopefully that helps.

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Stephen
Operator

It does. Thank you. Thank you. We will take our go ahead, sir, my pollsters. We will take our next question from John Walsh with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

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John Walsh
Analyst at Credit Suisse

Hi. Good morning, everyone.

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Greg Lewis
Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Morning, guys. Morning.

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John Walsh
Analyst at Credit Suisse

I guess just wanted to follow back to the to the margin question here in Q4 and just make sure I understood the underlying comments. But if we look at where you've seen the Q3, you know, you've spent most of the restructuring dollars this year. It's been in aerospace and PMT. And, you know, if we look at Q3, that's where you had the largest kind of deltas from a pick up. Is that still where you would think to see a lot of the improvement in Q4, particularly in those two segments? Certainly, again,

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Greg Lewis
Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

as yeah, so, John, absolutely. I mean, I think when you look at it, those are the ones where we spent the most repo for obvious reasons. They're the most challenge of of the businesses in the portfolio. So, yes, I would expect that that's where you're going to see some healthy improvements. But as I mentioned, we're going to see it across the board.

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John Walsh
Analyst at Credit Suisse

So, I think Gotcha. And then maybe just a finer point on thinking about cash next year. You sized that payroll. I don't know if you've spoken about CapEx plans yet into 21. But, you know, should we think of next year as kind of maybe those net and it's just income growth and working capital blocking and tackling or are there any other things to be aware of in the headwinds and the tailwinds column for next year, particularly thinking about CapEx?

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Greg Lewis
Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Sure. So we're still obviously in our planning phases for 21. You know, as you said, if you think about CapEx this year, we're probably going to wind up spending around about what we thought we were going to in the early part of the year before COVID even hit because our reductions in some of the discretionary areas we backfilled with the growth capital that was important for us to go spend. You know, if we head into next year wouldn't surprise me if we spend capital at about the same you know, rate plus or minus a bit, but again that's all subject to us completing our planning. But I wouldn't expect us as we sit here today to see that as a materially different you know, mover in the context of a, you know, five to six billion dollar cash flow generator that we usually are. And, you know, so as I mentioned, working capital we're always going to be driving our working capital progress and we would expect to continue to do that into 21. So we'll update you in 90 days with more specifics around some of the finer points around it as we complete our planning and complete the year.

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John Walsh
Analyst at Credit Suisse

Great, thanks for the additional color.

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Mark Benza
Vice President of Investor Relations

Stephen, let's please take one last color.

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Stephen
Operator

Absolutely, sir. We will take our final question from Dean Dre with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Thank you. Good morning

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Dean Dre
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

everyone.

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Greg Lewis
Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer

Morning, Dean.

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Dean Dre
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

I like that last slide on the sustainable focus on ESG. One of the points that occurred to me that 50% of your new product introduction investments fit the ESG classification and I was curious whether, is that 50% a target or is it an outcome and what are the economics?

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Darius Adonchek
Chairman and CEO

No, that's not a target. That's where we are today. I mean, that is not aspirational. That's currently where we are and I want to point out that something that's really, really important which is, you know, we talked a little bit about on our script is the formation of a whole new business unit, the sustainability business unit within P&P which really is going to help a lot of our customers really make the transition to sort of the new energy future. So I mean, I think, you know, nobody is going to transition this in a month or a year or two. But what we've done and what we're doing is really creating a whole new sustainability infrastructure in P&P and really all our business units to create a business structure which is going to be much more sustainable alignment of the needs of the planet and society in general. I think it might be even the most needed in P&P where a lot of our customers are really looking at what the future of energy looks like and we want to be part of the solution to create that bridge.

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Dean Dre
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

Great. Just last question and to the extent that you can comment on it, I was hoping you would put this whole Garrett situation in context. This is such a small piece of your cash flow, it's a small piece of the capitalization, but it does get some headlines and I was hoping you might comment.

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Darius Adonchek
Chairman and CEO

Sure. No, I think you were your comments right in terms of the overall value and so on in terms of Honeywell. I mean, this is sort of not that relevant. You know, I think you probably saw some of this. You know, we you know, frankly, there is an offer out there which is compelling for Garrett. You know, we have we're confident we're going to secure the majority of that cash flow. You know, there's a superior offer on the table with a couple of the partners we have out there. We don't believe there's a lot of merit in the litigation that Garrett is trying to put forward and you know, we have a level of confidence of preserving those future cash flows and you know, a lot of this will still kind of be in motion here for the next few months, but a lot of confidence what we're doing there and I think we're going to recover the majority of that that we see

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Dean Dre
Analyst at RBC Capital Markets

I appreciate that. Thank you.

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Operator
Operator

Thank you, Dean.

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Darius Adonchek
Chairman and CEO

I am pleased with the improvements we achieved in the third quarter compared to challenging second quarter. We are growing in areas not as impacted by the current pandemic. You know, we're gaining momentum in the new growth opportunities by providing innovative solutions for customer needs. We will remain focused on continuing to perform for our share owners, our customers, and our employees in any environment. We are well positioned for the recovery with balanced portfolio, track record of execution, and a strong balance sheet. Thank you for listening and please stay safe

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Operator
Operator

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Stephen
Operator

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Stephen
Operator

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Operator
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