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3/3/2025
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Abby, and I'll be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Hydric & Struggle's fourth quarter and year-end earnings conference call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during that time, simply press the star key followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star one a second time. Thank you. And I would now like to turn the conference over to Suzanne Rosenberg, Vice President of Investor Relations. You may begin.
Thank you, and welcome to our 2024 fourth quarter conference call. Joining me today are our CEO, Tom Monahan, and CFO, Nirupam Sinha. We posted our accompanying slides on the IR homepage of our website at hydric.com. and we encourage you to view these slides for additional context. Please note that in materials presented today, we may refer to non-GAAP financial measures that we believe provide additional insight into underlying results. Reconciliations between these non-GAAP financial measures and the most comparable GAAP measures may be found in the earnings press release. Also, in our remarks, we may make certain forward-looking statements. We ask that you please refer to the Safe Harbor language also included in today's press release. Tom, I'll now turn the call over to you.
Thank you, Suzanne, and welcome to everyone joining our earnings call today. I'm pleased to share that Hydric & Struggles delivered a solid performance in the fourth quarter, a testament to our ongoing commitment to creating unrivaled value for our clients. This client focus is especially notable given the amount of change we drove in 2024 through leadership changes and a tightened strategic focus. Our new leadership team has done an excellent job of keeping our colleagues around the world focused on market opportunities and client needs as we more tightly target our solutions and prioritize scalability and profitability. And speaking of leadership, scalability, and profitability, we are thrilled to welcome Neuropom to the leadership team and this call. He's been here less than two months and is already having a huge impact on how we perform. I'd also be remiss not to thank Steve Bondi for his exceptional impact and leadership as our interim finance leader. Today, I'll provide a brief overview of our fourth quarter results, share examples of how our approach is delivering tangible value for clients, and outline our strategic priorities. After that, I'll hand it over to Nirupam for a more in-depth look at our Q4 results, and then we'll open the call for Q&A. Let me start with a quick overview of our fourth quarter performance before Neuropom provides more detail. As context, it's no understatement to note that our clients' jobs have gotten exponentially harder over the past several years. Complex political and geopolitical environments on a global basis, combined with step function advances on technology, think about AI, and volatile markets for financing are just a few of the challenges on their desk. We believe that these challenges create opportunities for our partnership with clients. As a trusted advisor to executive teams and boards, change and complexity are what our business thrives on. You can see this reflected in our revenue performance, which came in above our outlook by our contributions from all of our service lines. Our core executive search platform delivered excellent results with strong performance across regions. On-demand talent drove growth despite the ongoing slowdown in the broader temporary staffing space. This continues to highlight our unique position in attractive market segments. And Hydric Consulting momentum accelerated as the year closed. We also saw strong Q4 confirmations, which suggest that we can sustain this momentum in 2025. Just as importantly, Our fourth quarter top line growth translated into solid profitability as we maintained EBITDA margins in line with our projections. The strong fourth quarter was a fitting capstone to a year of high performance by our teams globally. Even as we lean into a fast start in 2025, I want to make sure that we reflect quickly on what Team Hydric accomplished in 2024. In full candor, the year offered plenty of opportunities for soft performance. Not only were there divisive elections and complex economic conditions in many of our major markets, but we engineered substantial leadership changes across much of the business. Rather than being distracted, our team stayed focused on driving client impact, delivering results which accelerated throughout the year. That said, we know our work is just beginning. Going forward, in simple terms, we are focused on rapidly achieving the long-term targets we set out at our recent investor day. With all our success, we know there is plenty of work ahead. Now let's turn to a discussion around the strategic initiatives we have in place to drive that scaled growth and profit. We described these in depth at our investor day. For those who missed it, we put the webcast on our site. Let's set the table. It's no secret that the single most critical factor driving corporate and organizational performance is having the right leaders in the right roles leading in the right way. And this recognition creates a huge addressable market for us with our world-class professional colleagues supported by our distinctive brand, powerful technology and valuable intellectual property. We have a strong platform to grow and scale and impact. To accomplish this, we've been moving forward with three strategic priorities, each of which are centered on building differentiated, deep and durable client relationships. First, to be the most trusted leadership partner to the C-suite and the board. We believe that our focus on leadership talent differentiates us. We remain committed to consistently growing our executive search and assessment capabilities, which are the cornerstone of our enterprise. This work not only immediately inflects client performance, but it also gives us unmatched access to leaders and their priorities, allowing us to build valuable insights and data sets. As an example, our annual CEO and board monitor digests feedback from more than 900 CEOs and board members. This year's work points to deep boardroom concerns about political and economic volatility. Unsurprisingly, it also clearly points to areas where our teams can have a differentiated conversation and drive immediate client impact. Our second priority is to help clients lead transformation in the new world of leadership. As we shared at Investor Day, relationship size and stickiness correlate strongly with our ability to support clients in multiple ways. This isn't some boiler room cross-selling effort. It's leveraging the access and insight of our exceptional consultants to accelerate client performance in new ways. We enjoy a substantial tailwind in this work. Every leader in every role in every industry has a transformation mandate. It might be to leverage AI or enter new markets or drive cost advantage. Regardless of the destination, this transformation invariably requires new ways of leading and often new leaders and creates a great opportunity for us to partner with them to drive exceptional outcomes. Here's one recent example. The CEO of a major industrial company based in the US was driving a substantial transformation of their portfolio. spinning off several businesses and tightening their corporate focus. While the new structure made great sense on paper, the proof of the transformation would only come by converting the potential of the new structure into sustained high performance. They turned to the leadership of Hydric Consulting's Purpose, Culture, and Performance team to create a plan to align teams globally against the new strategy and drive focus on key outcomes. As you might guess, This work progressed quickly in some areas, leading to sharp performance upticks, but it stalled in others for reasons that are all too common. The new performance goals pointed to some gaps in the company's ability to execute on its strategic agenda. As always, these stalls weren't just a will issue, but were a result of some real gaps in the necessary skills on the client team, such as innovation and technology leadership. This gave our Hydric on-demand team the opportunity to step in with a seasoned interim CIO to accelerate the change effort. As you'd guess, this client has quickly become a major client for Hydric, drawing from various parts of our firm to augment leadership and sustain performance. But more importantly, we helped the client quickly mobilize more than 10,000 colleagues to deliver on the promise of a more focused strategy. The point is that we grow larger and more impactful client relationships by linking our work to ambitious client goals. The great thing about this business attribute is that every economic and or paradigm shift creates a need for new leaders and innovative leadership approaches. These long-term secular are likely to keep expanding, giving us an incredible boost in growing our client impact. Third priority is innovating to create continuous engagement with clients. In our work with leading CEOs, boards, and chief people officers, we continue to see an important theme emerging. Leadership and talent decisions are becoming an always-on activity. This shouldn't be surprising. There has been a step function increase in the annual report language devoted to the economic importance of talent, culture, and succession. And yet, historically, the process for managing this risk has lacked consistency and rigor. We don't expect every company to change how they work overnight, but we also can't imagine a world in which a topic as important as top of the house leadership will be a continued afterthought in ongoing corporate management. And we know that embedding this work at scale in companies will require just the type of at scale tooling that our digital investments are targeting. In sum, as we confront a volatile market, we see enormous opportunities to grow our impact on clients. and thereby our business. We're pleased with our performance in 2024 and see opportunity for even higher performance in 2025 and beyond. Stepping into 2025, we have a clear roadmap for executing on our strategy of creating differentiated, deep, and durable client relationships, which create unrivaled value for clients, colleagues, and shareholders. With that, I will now turn the call over to Nirupalm to provide a detailed review of our financial performance and outlook.
Thank you, Tom. It's a pleasure to be joining the call today. I'm excited to be stepping into the role of CFO at Hydric. The opportunity is particularly attractive given the strong foundation the company has built and what I believe can be delivered for clients, employees, and shareholders in the future. And starting in January, the transition has gone smoothly. I'm grateful for the support from Steve Bondi, the finance leadership team, as well as Tom and the entire leadership team. Today, I'll provide an overview of our fourth quarter results, to which we're pleased to report that our organic revenue growth exceeded the high end of our outlook. Our solid Q4 financial performance reflects positive demand trends across all our services, underscoring the effectiveness of the strategic priorities we're executing. This performance provides us with a strong starting point for 2025. Looking at our performance on a consolidated basis, fourth quarter revenue reached $276.2 million, marking a 9.1% increase compared to Q4 2023. Adjusted EBITDA was a solid $26.1 million, and adjusted EBITDA margin was 9.5%. We're also pleased with our full year 2024 results in aggregate, which had us at $1.1 billion in revenue, marking a 7% increase versus 2023, and adjusted EBITDA of $111.2 million with a 10.1% adjusted EBITDA margin. From an operating expenses standpoint, salaries and benefits increased 19.4% from the prior year quarter. Fixed compensation improved by $5.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2024 due to the deferred compensation plan and lower talent acquisition and retention costs, partially offset by increases in base salaries and payroll taxes, as well as retirement and benefits. Burial compensation increased $34.8 million due to an increase in consultant productivity. As a percentage of net revenue, salaries and benefits was 65.3% versus 59.7% in the year-ago period. The step-up was due to bonus ramp-up of accruals as the year progressed. For full year 2024, salaries and benefits as a percentage of revenue was 65.1% versus 63.9% in full year 2023. And we expect the normalized run rate to continue in the 65% range. General administrative expenses improved by $4.7 million, or 10.5%, versus the year-ago period to $39.4 million. As a percentage of net revenue, general administrative expenses improved 310 basis points from the year-ago period to 14.3%. Improvement in dollars versus the year-ago period is primarily due to bad debt, taxes and licenses, intangible amortization and accretion, and the use of external third-party consultants, partially offset by increase in IT and professional fees. In addition, fourth quarter G&A included a fair value burnout adjustment, which is excluded from our adjusted results. With respect to R&D, we continue to invest in the future of Hydric. At the core of this investment are technology platforms and IP that will power all our businesses, including Search, Hydric Consulting, and our digital product portfolio. R&D spent in the fourth quarter was $6.1 million, or 2.2% of net revenue. Now, let's turn to each of our businesses for further details. In executive search, revenue grew 10% to 2.2.5 million. Looking at our regional performance compared to the prior quarter, we saw revenue increases of 11.1% in America, 8.1% in Europe, and 7.6% in APAC. As you know, we have a diverse practice platform with great client engagement. During the fourth quarter, we saw outperformance by the financial services, healthcare and life sciences, industrial, and global technology and services practice groups. Consultant productivity annualized in the fourth quarter at $2 million, compared to $1.8 million on the same basis in the year-ago quarter, and we saw increases in confirmations and average revenue for Executive Search. We're also very pleased with Executive Search making strong profitability with adjusted EBITDA of $50.5 million and an adjusted EBITDA margin of 25%. Turning to on-demand talent, revenue increased 3% to $42.3 million marking a continued outperformance amid the market dynamics across the temporary staffing space. In fact, according to trade organization SIA Staffing, industry revenue is projected to drop another 10% in 2024. We saw increases in average contract values reflecting longer duration in projects, along with higher values on extensions. On-demand talent reported an adjusted EBITDA loss of $1.2 million. As Tom mentioned, we see significant opportunities to continue growing this business, which addresses an urgent client need and enhances our ability to serve clients comprehensively. We're continuing to foster innovation in our products and services as we pivot and accelerate growth, particularly on the interim talent side of our on-demand business. Looking at Hydric Consulting, we saw fourth quarter organic revenue increase 11.5% year-over-year to $31.3 million, driven by increases in leadership assessment and development engagements. along with purpose, culture, and performance. The strong revenue growth in the quarter unlocked higher tiers in our bonus structure, which resulted in increased variable compensation in Q4. While this impact led to an adjusted EBITDA loss of $1.8 million for the quarter, it's a reflection of our success in driving performance and aligning rewards with achievement. Moving forward, we expect to offset these costs through continued growth and efficiency gain as we refine and simplify Hydra Consulting's offerings and focus on its core strengths. Before I turn to the bottom line performance, I also want to note we recorded a non-cash equitable impairment charge of $43.3 million in the fourth quarter related to our on-demand talent business. Excluding this unusual item and earn-out fair value adjustments, adjusted net income for the quarter increased 54.2% to $22.9 million. 2024 fourth quarter adjusted diluted EPS was $1.08. with an adjusted effective tax rate of 22.8% compared to adjusted diluted EPS of 72 cents in the same quarter last year. The unusually lower adjusted tax rate in Q4 was due to the utilization of foreign tax credits. On an apples-to-apples basis, with the year-ago period and applying last year's tax rate, our adjusted diluted EPS would have been 84 cents. As a reminder, moving forward, we expect our tax rate in 2025 to temporarily be around 35% driven by the non-deductibility of acquisition earn-out costs. However, once these acquisition costs are now, we expect our tax rate to be back in the low 30% range, assuming no other statutory tax changes. Now, I'll turn to the balance sheet. We ended the fourth quarter with a strong cash position of $563 million, up $85 million from December 2023. Improvement was mainly driven by payments for earnouts and acquisitions, which we did not have in 2024. As discussed previously, our cash position typically builds through the year as employee bonuses are accrued. Employee bonuses are paid out in the first quarter, along with their associated tax-related costs. A strong cash position with no debt, along with our accordion credit facility, gives us great strength and flexibility to execute our sheet plan and return capital to our shareholders. Turning to our outlook, we continue to see good demand signals with strong fundamentals supporting all our businesses. Therefore, we expect first quarter revenue to be within a range of $263 million to $273 million. This compares to $255.2 million in Q1 of 2024, and we believe positions us well for 2025. Additionally, we expect adjusted EBITDA margin expansion for the full year 2025, and expect the majority of this improvement to materialize in the back half of the year. In summary, we're pleased with our solid performance in the fourth quarter and fiscal year 2024, highlighted by strong organic revenue growth. What's especially promising is the continued progress we're making in building and enhancing a comprehensive portfolio of solutions that addresses our clients' most pressing needs. We believe this strengthens our total offering and importantly, amplifies our impact in executive search. We feel well positioned for future success to adapt to dynamic market demands and drive meaningful value for our clients, employees, and shareholders. With that, operators, please open the lines. Tom and I would be happy to take questions.
Thank you. And we will now begin the question and answer session. If you have dialed in and would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad to raise your hand and join the queue. If you would like to withdraw your question, simply press star 1 a second time. If you are called upon to ask your question in early listening via speakerphone on your device, please pick up your handset and ensure that your phone is not on mute when asking your question. Again, it is star 1 if you would like to join the queue. And your first question comes from the line of Toby Sommer with Truist Securities. Your line is open.
Thank you. I'm curious in the outlook, you mentioned political, economic uncertainty. What are you hearing from customers more sort of year-to-date or over the last six weeks about confidence, launching new products, entering new markets, and entertaining the kind of business activities that often spur volume for search?
Hey, Toby, it's Tom. Yeah, I've been out with clients in several of our key markets over the past few weeks. And in general, volatility and change creates opportunity for us. People ask questions around, do I have the right leaders in the right roles? Am I doing the right stuff? Am I working in the right way? So what we've seen so far, and obviously this can change, but is when we do our job of staying very close to clients and and are really attuned to how the environment is creating need for them, we can do a great job converting that into growth for our business. And that's what we've seen so far. Obviously, it's a volatile world, but it's our job to partner with them through that.
Right. How are you thinking about managing your own internal sales generating headcount across the different businesses involved? are you feeling inclined to grow those individuals and kind of have a bigger headcount throughout the year, or how are you managing that?
You saw the targets we gave at Investor Day for long-term growth in the businesses, and I think what you'd see over any period of time, and obviously there will be quarters and years where macro affects it, but think of those as in general kind of roughly the headcount targets we need to have. This is a professional services business. We'll get some leverage from technology. We'll get some leverage from our senior people getting more productive, but as we showed you yesterday also, no matter how you cut it, new headcount is diluted to overall productivity. We work like crazy on that, but I suspect our view is We're going to grow headcount at roughly the levels that we projected revenue growth in at Investor Day. And try to take advantage when markets allow you to hire great people.
Thanks. I'll sneak one more in if I can. Are there, from a geographic and industry vertical perspective, areas you would call out as pockets of strength and or the inverse?
Yeah, sure. Hi, Toby. It's Nirapalm. Happy to take this one. We've seen it pretty strong across the board, to be honest. We've seen a lot of momentum in North America. Obviously, a business like ours, we in North America do strong. We're seeing that. We're also seeing that across the board in terms of our geos. There isn't one that I'd call out that's slower. Europe in general, I think a little bit more just kind of cautious approach across the board, but generally we haven't seen any sort of change in the mix. And from an industry standpoint, same thing. I think, you know, we'll have seen in 24 consumer conference were a little bit, you know, maybe not as robust in that sector, but everything else was pretty strong, and we've seen that momentum continue as we start 25.
And your next question comes from the line of Kevin Stanky with Barrington Research. Your line is open.
Thanks. You mentioned in your prepared comments, I believe that you expect adjusted EBITDA margin expansion in 2025, and I believe you highlighted the second half of the year. Can you just talk about... the drivers there of that anticipated margin expansion?
Yeah. Hi, Kevin. It's Nirupam. So I think with respect to full-year margin expansion, we do think that we'll see more in the back half of the year. We expect this to come from our non-search businesses as we continue to execute on our strategy of planning our offerings, allowing them better to the client needs. For us, as you know, in the non-search businesses, it's around just getting a little bit more consistent performance and getting more leverage up the shared corporate costs. So it's going to be the non-search businesses. I think we view search as sort of in a healthy margin profile, and you'll see that align with the long-term guidance we gave at Investor Day.
Okay, yeah, and related to that, I believe when you were talking about Hydric Consulting, you talked about the impact of variable compensation in the fourth quarter, but you mentioned looking to offset that in the future, and I don't know if you could dig into that statement a little bit more.
Yeah, sure. You know, I think going forward with our Hydric Consulting business, We'll continue to see that leverage from the corporate costs. I think from the variable cost component, we had good performance in Q4. So you'll notice that Q4, in some ways, there was a little bit of a catch-up going on for the full year. And so for us, I think we see that kind of have happened. And so going forward, we don't see any material sort of changes around that.
Okay. Um, thanks. And then, um, have you, have you built any, uh, meaningful impact from currency into the first quarter of 2025 revenue outlook?
No. Um, you know, from a conference basis, as we ended 24, uh, there was very little impact 24. Um, So we have not factored anything above usual as we look at 25.
All right. I will leave it at that for now. I'll turn it back over. Thanks.
All right. Thanks, Kevin.
And your next question comes from the line of Mark Riddick with Sidoti. Your line is open.
Hi, good evening. I wanted to touch a little bit on a couple of potential catalysts that you may be looking at and maybe what you're seeing. I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about if you're seeing much in the way of levels of C-suite turnover and sort of whether or not what you're seeing currently is consistent with what you've seen historically or whether it's a little more active than normal.
Look, I think there's two component parts there. One is how much C-suite turnover is there and how much are we winning, right? Those are – and, you know, for some of the roles, you know, we can judge that. I don't think you're seeing huge spikes or huge dips. It's been pretty consistent when we look at the roles we can understand. I think our teams are doing a great job being in front of clients and really understanding what they need in winning business. So I think that – I don't know that there's – there's a macro trend other than great client engagement by our teams and great retention and engagement of our teams.
Okay, excellent. And then I was wondering if you – maybe this is a little too early, but I'll ask it anyway. From a standpoint of a world of lower U.S. federal government spending and some of the things that we're seeing in the headlines, are there any – specific areas that you think might lead to opportunities for you going forward should some of those those those need to be either outsourced or or taken on on other levels on state and local level things like that sure I mean I'll start at the headline which is a completely immaterial part of our business is federal so we're just not exposed to that sector at all right and I
Look, I think rather than specific roles, more broadly, change is creating change for our clients. They're looking at their own businesses. They're saying, where do I need new people, new skills? They were already contending with the AI revolution, and now there are different market contexts and different economic contexts, and they're asking questions about everything from their pricing structures to their supply chains. If we're close to them, pretty much all of those conversations end with, I probably need different people or new people or people to get after these new challenges. So we see it more through the lens of our clients and how they show up looking for opportunity. And they're obviously looking at this company by company and trying to decide where they think they can play. And invariably, if it's new for them, it's something they help with and we can help them.
Brandon, the last thing for me, I know in the past we've talked about the potential catalyst that M&A provides, and whether that's full-scale or, you know, take private situations, carve-outs, what have you. I was wondering in the conversations that you've had with those 900-plus leaders or so, it seems as though things are sort of currently on hold, but maybe not necessarily for long. I was wondering if you could share some thoughts as to at least maybe how your views on potential M&A played a role into your fourth quarter guide range.
Thanks. I think the short answer on the guide range, not at all, right? That, you know, we're deep enough in the quarter that we're just, you know, whatever M&A activity is going to catalyze work is going to come through our pipeline. So I think that's, you know, it's certainly a factor. It's always a factor, but I don't think we're counting on anything happening that changes that. You know, I think it's a mixed storyline out there. You know, on one hand, there's optimism that there'll be some regulatory relief and opportunity to do some deals. On the other hand, your interest rates are still a little high, so some things that look really attractive at a lower interest rate don't look quite as attractive yet. On the flip side, I would say when you talk to, let's say, RPE clients, They've sort of said, hey, our new business reality is operating at slightly higher interest rates than we had to for a long time. And that's just a business contextual factor which we've accepted as opposed to waiting for some massive shift. So I think across the board, it's not a call on interest rates. Lord knows if I could call interest rates over the long term. Absolutely. I wouldn't have to run a company. But what people are saying is, hey, we are learning that our businesses can be productive and thrive and grow, and we can make decisions in different interest rate environments. The initial onset of higher interest rates a few years ago, it was a new thing for a lot of companies. Now they're normalizing it as part of their business context. I still think there's enough ambiguity out there. No one is going full bore, but we also haven't seen – particularly in private capital or private transactions, people freeze up entirely.
Okay, great. Thank you very much.
All right.
And as a reminder, it is star one if you would like to ask a question. And with no additional questions, I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Tom Monaghan for any additional or closing remarks.
Terrific. Thanks so much to everyone for logging in or dialing in today. We're excited to be into 25 already, and we look forward to being out and about engaging with investors and, of course, clients as the year unfolds. So if we didn't get to you today, we'll see you out on the road.
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's call, and we thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.