Integral Ad Science Holding Corp.

Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the IAS Q1 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 1-1 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising that your hand is raised to which you can press star 1-1 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Jonathan Schaefer, SVP of Investor Relations. Please begin.

Thank you. Good afternoon and welcome to the IAS first quarter 2025 financial results conference call. I'm joined today by Lisa Utschneider, CEO, and Jill Putman, interim CFO. Before we begin, please note that today's call and prepared remarks contain forward-looking statements. We refer you to the company's filings with the SEC posted on our Investor Relations site at .integralads.com for more details about important risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations. We will also refer to non-GAAP measures on today's call. A reconciliation of non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures is contained in today's earnings release available on our Investor Relations site. All financial comparisons, unless noted otherwise, are based on the prior year period. So with these formalities out of the way, I'd now like to turn the call over to our CEO, Lisa Utschneider. Lisa, you may begin.

Thank you, Jonathan. Welcome everyone to our 2025 first quarter call. Our first quarter results build on our positive momentum from the fourth quarter. We are setting clear expectations and delivering on them. We reported 17% revenue growth in the first quarter, ahead of our prior outlook of a 13% increase at the midpoint of our guide. We achieved and adjusted even a margin of 31%. We are executing on our business strategy as we lean into our competitive differentiators. We are advancing our leading AI-backed technology, leveraging our -to-market platform partnerships, and expanding our reach across channels and geographies with an 18% increase in revenue outside of the Americas in the first quarter. By closely listening to the voice of the customer, we are innovating and creating value across products and technology, while maintaining a high bar for quality and reliability. We believe that our customer value proposition, focused on driving ROI and greater efficiencies, continues to resonate with marketers in the current environment. As a result, we expect double-digit profitable growth in the second quarter and for the full year 2025. On our last call, we discussed three priorities for our 2025 product roadmap, performance, reach, and innovation. Starting with performance, we are all in on increasing ROI for advertisers. Last month, we announced the availability of dynamic performance profiles, or DPP. DPP is designed to help advertisers realize maximum performance across their media buys. Powered by our proprietary total visibility product, DPP uses customer outcome data to automatically identify and bundle top-performing contextual targeting segments. An IAS case study of an advertiser's conversion-based campaign in APAC last December, revealed that DPP-activated campaigns increased conversion rates for this customer by 34%, and ECPM efficiency by 26%. DPP is an essential component of our total media performance, or TMP, suite of pre-bid optimization products, designed to maximize ad performance while protecting brand equity. Within our TMP suite, we are also launching in the second quarter, audience-enriched contextual targeting segments, which demonstrates our commitment to delivering advanced performance enhancing tools. We expect these segments to reach high-value targeted audiences with a contextual first solution to enhance scale and performance. Customers can activate segments and DSPs to reach their target audience, where they are most engaged. In March, we conducted a case study in partnership with a customer in the Travel Vertical, and found that placements with audience-enriched segments drove a 159% higher success rate at 72% lower cost. We are also broadening our reach with the major platforms in protecting customers' brand equity wherever they invest. In the first quarter, we launched new features and increased global availability for our content block list optimization solution on Meta. In April, we announced general availability of pre-bid video level exclusion lists on TikTok as part of our social optimization offering. The expansion follows successful texting on the platform. Advertisers on TikTok can now benefit from pre-bid granular exclusion powered by IAS's AI-backed multimedia technology, giving them greater control over their advertising investments. In April, we announced the expansion of our partnership with Reddit to include viewability and invalid traffic or IPT measurement. These capabilities complement our earlier integration of our total media quality or TMQ brand safety and suitability measurement on the platform. Advertisers now have access to third-party campaign insights backed by trusted and transparent metrics to help brands safeguard and scale across Reddit. Last week, we announced a strategic -to-market partnership with Nextdoor, the essential neighborhood network, establishing IAS as the provider of pre-bid brand safety and suitability optimization on the platform. Using AI-driven multimedia technology, IAS will offer advertisers an additional layer of third-party transparency and suitability for their Nextdoor campaign. We continue to expand our partnership with the general availability of TMQ for Nextdoor, expected in the second half of 2025. Our pre-bid optimization solutions on the social platforms are shown to improve performance in ROI for advertisers. According to initial IAS studies, advertisers' annual savings can reach as high as 2x their investments when using our social optimization solutions. In May, we announced the launch of our pre-screen brand safety solution for Google's Search Partner Network. With this launch, we will provide advertisers with greater control over their investments before their ads are shown across the Search Partner Network. We are scaling quality sync pre-bid segment adoption on the leading DSPs. With quality sync, advertisers can automatically sync their pre-bid and post-bid settings across all channels for programmatic buys. We are generating traction with Amazon DSP, launched late last year, as well as Display and Video 360, launched in the first quarter. According to an IAS study, campaigns using quality sync benefit from lower contextual brand safety and IVT fail rates. Lower fail rates result in 58% lower cost per conversion, helping brands boost ROI and media efficiency. In 2025, we are optimizing our -to-market strategy to provide superior global support and service to an ever-increasing set of customers. We are expanding our reach across market segments, channels, and geographies. We are expanding our reach and performance offerings within the mid-market segment. Mid-market customers require streamlined, impactful, and -to-activate solutions, and we are delivering just that, including pro-measurement powered by our next-generation signal experience built with the agentic future in mind. We continue to invest in growing media channels, including audio and gaming. Last week, IAS announced with Spotify the launch of new brand safety and suitability targeting and measurement tools for podcast advertisers for the Spotify audience network. This solution includes pre-baked classification and tailored targeting to safeguard brand reputation while driving ROI. In April, Roblox announced that IAS will offer coverage across media quality and performance solutions, including fraud, brand safety, and suitability and viewability. Turning to our focus on innovation, our AI and data strategy are core investment areas for IAS. AI is an integral part of our DNA and powers the majority of our products. Today, AI plays a critical role in how we operate, increasing velocity by streamlining workflows, enabling scale through automation and personalization, and improving accuracy by identifying patterns and insights that inform better decisions. We apply AI with intent, not just to move faster, but to solve problems more effectively. AI enhances how we build, analyze, and deliver while ensuring that human judgment, transparency, and responsibility remain central to everything we do. Our differentiated data fuels AI investments by our customers to enable them to maximize the value of quality media signals. In April, we announced the launch of our Impression Feed, an innovative approach to monetizing impression-level data. Advertisers and agencies can use the Impression Feed's granular metrics to gain transparency into their digital advertising investments. Our publisher business is another great example of how IAS innovates. IAS's public capabilities set us apart in the CTV market. We are scaling product features built to increase bidding competition in ad auctions, and therefore to increase yield for publishers. We are also enabling publishers to maximize supply path optimization by providing them with optionality to connect directly with their demand sources. These differentiated solutions highlight the synergies between IAS and Publica and the power of our publisher-facing technology. Turning to our new business momentum, we have secured several new wins in renewals and key verticals. Customers cite several reasons for partnering with IAS, such as our advanced technology, ease of activation, and superior global customer service. Zegna, a global fashion luxury company, established an exclusive agreement with IAS and expanded their global partnership to include IAS's measurement and optimization solutions. IAS will provide TMQ, social optimization, and attention. Zegna selected IAS based on the accuracy of our classification technology. This win reinforces IAS's leadership in the luxury goods vertical, along with expanded partnerships with Escelor, Luxottica, and Prada announced on last quarter's call. ASICS, a sporting goods company, picked IAS as their global verification provider for a full suite of measurement offerings, including TMQ, after previously working with Oracle. We won this partnership based on the ease of activation and use of our products, as well as the superiority of our tech and detailed reporting capabilities. AXA, one of the world's leading insurance companies, renewed their partnership with IAS, following an extensive diligence process. Our established relationship and high service levels enabled IAS to maintain its position as AXA's preferred ad verification provider. This renewal continues our track record of success in France, with global brands including Renault, Opella, Stellantis, and LVMH. We added a new partner and secured a major renewal in the chocolate and confectionery vertical, increasing our global leadership in the sector with partnerships with eight of the top 10 producers worldwide. Lastly, we are ramping our new clients that selected IAS following Oracle's exit from the advertising business. We are increasing adoption of our premium TMQ product for brand safety and suitability, along with our optimization offerings. We expect to grow the scope of these relationships as we build trust through actionable data that drive superior results. We exceeded our expectations for the first quarter and advanced our 2025 product roadmap with a focus on performance, reach, and innovation. By executing on these priorities and offering differentiated products, we are creating a flywheel effect to drive superior performance for our customers. We expect profitable growth in 2025 as we partner with marketers to achieve their goals. With that, I'll turn the call over to Jill to review the financials and then I'll comment on our outlook.

Thanks, Lisa, and welcome everyone. We reported a strong quarter and we are pleased with how we executed on our top priorities. Based on our current outlook, we expect to deliver double digit profitable growth in the second quarter and for the full year. Total revenue in the first quarter increased 17% year over year to $134.1 million ahead of our prior outlook of $128 to $131 million. During the quarter, we generated strong double digit growth in our optimization and publisher businesses with single digit growth and measurement. Our overall growth was driven by both expansion of our top accounts as well as new logo wins. In addition, we reported adjusted EBITDA of $41.5 million at a 31% margin. Optimization revenue increased 24% to $64.8 million in the first quarter. Optimization growth was fueled by several verticals including financial services, particularly in insurance as well as retail and travel and entertainment. New products, including expanded quality sync availability on Amazon DSP and DV360 also contributed to our strong optimization results. Measurement revenue increased 4% to $48.4 million in the first quarter. Looking at measurement revenue by channel, social media revenue increased 15% with strengths in travel and entertainment. Social media represented 58% of measurement revenue and 21% of total revenue in the first quarter. Social growth in the quarter outpaced overall digital advertising spend with healthy demand for our TMQ product suite across our largest social platform. We continue to see a shift in advertisers spend from measurement to our premium optimization offering. As a result, open web revenue, which is primarily display, decreased single digits and represented 42% of measurement revenue. Turning to measurement revenue by format, video revenue increased 14% in the first quarter as a result of the growth in social media. Video accounted for 58% of measurement revenue with display and other formats, including audio and gaming representing the balance. Publisher revenue increased 33% to $20.9 million, resulting from ongoing adoption of new public products by large OEM partners. In addition, we saw growth in non-CTV IAS publisher revenue that was attributable in part to the contribution from new Oracle customers. Publisher revenue represented 16% of total first quarter revenue. Revenue outside of the Americas increased 18% in the first quarter to $42.7 million, representing 32% of total revenue in the first quarter with strong double digit growth in EMEA. Growth profit for the first quarter was $103.9 million at a 78% margin compared to 77% in the prior year period. On a combined basis, our operating expenses for the first quarter excluding non-cash expense items grew 13% year over year to $62.5 million. Stock-based compensation expense for the period with $15.5 million in line with our prior outlook of 15 to $17 million. Adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter, which excludes stock-based compensation and one-time expenses increased 26% to $41.5 million above our prior outlook of 38 to $40 million. Adjusted EBITDA margin for the first quarter increased to 31% from 29% in the prior year period. Net income for the first quarter was $8 million or 5 cents per share compared to a net loss of $1.3 million or 1 cent per share in the first quarter of 2024. Moving to our performance metrics. Our first quarter advertiser net revenue retention or NRR was 109% up from 107% in the fourth quarter of 2024. The total number of large advertising customers, which includes both mid-tier and top-tier clients with annual revenue over $200,000 grew to 239 compared to 227 in the prior year period and up from 237 in the fourth quarter of 2024. Revenue from large advertising customers was 84% of total advertising revenue on a trailing 12-month basis. Cash and cash equivalents at the end of the first quarter totaled $59.1 million. We further lowered our debt to $15 million at the end of the first quarter. We are closely monitoring the broader advertising environment. As such, Lisa will comment on our second quarter and full year outlook. Here are a few modeling points to consider. Second quarter stock-based compensation expense is expected in the range of $19 to $21 million and $72.5 to $75.5 million for the full year. We expect weighted average shares outstanding for the second quarter in the range of 164.5 to 165.5 million shares and 165 to 167 million shares for the full year. We expect an effective tax rate of approximately 30% for the full year 2025. In conclusion, we executed on our priorities in the first quarter and delivered 17% revenue growth at a seasonally strong adjusted EBITDA margin of 31%. We are planning for double digit profitable growth in the second quarter and for the full year. And with that, I'll turn it back over to Lisa to discuss our outlook.

Thanks, Jill. We are raising the midpoint of our full year financial outlook to reflect our strong first quarter performance. Our guidance is based on brand spend in the current environment and ongoing budget shifts to our premium optimization offerings. We expect to deliver another year of double digit profitable growth. For the second quarter ending June 30th, 2025, we expect total revenue in the range of 142 million to $144 million or 11% year over year growth at the midpoint. Adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter is expected to be in the range of 45 to $47 million or a 32% margin at the midpoint. For the full year 2025, we are increasing the midpoint of our revenue outlook to reflect our strong Q1 performance. We now expect revenue of 590 million to $600 million or 12% year over year growth at the midpoint. We are also raising the midpoint of our full year 2025 adjusted EBITDA to be in the range of 204 to $210 million or a 35% margin at the midpoint. We expect to maintain gross margin for the full year 2025 in the range of 77% to 79%. And with that, we are now ready to take your questions. Operator.

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Hi, thanks for taking my questions. Maybe first, if we could talk about in the context of the current digital advertising market with the shorter visibility windows and such, just the advertiser demand you're seeing, especially for the performance oriented solutions that you talked about at the beginning of the call.

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hear you, yes. Okay, so let's get back to the current macro environment. So as I was saying before, we've made a bet on performance. We talked about it in our previous earnings, our Q4 earnings call, with the three pillars of our product roadmap being performance, reach, and outcomes. That bet on performance is absolutely paying off. You see in our Q1 results, both Q1, we put 17% up on the board for growth year over year. Optimization in particular, 24% growth. It's a reflection of the value that we're offering to brands as they're leaning into performance programmatic offerings that drive greater transparency, greater efficiency, and greater ROI. So it's great to see that the brand's leaning in. We love the attach rate and the adoption that we're seeing with the product, and we'll continue to drive that value for our customers.

Thank you, and maybe at the risk of breaking the call again, if I could get a quick follow-up. I think you mentioned in the past your open web display business, or your open web measurement business rather, has been kind of an onboarding point for new clients. Is that still the case, or are a lot of your newer clients going directly to things like social measurement and your optimization solutions? Thank you.

Yeah, great, great question. So as we mentioned earlier on the call, we are seeing softness similar to across the internet in open web display. We're pleased with our social measurement growth for Q1 being 15%, again, it's a testament to the value that we're driving to our advertisers. So we're seeing the advertisers continue to drive TMQ adoption across all the major social platforms, both here in the US and internationally. We are seeing some shift in budgets from measurement to optimization, again, as brands are leaning into all things related to efficiency and ROI.

Thank you. And our next question will be coming from Jason Helstein of Oppenheimer, your line is open.

Everybody glad to hear you loud and clear. So first, can we get some color on how you're thinking about stacking quarter by discipline? And I guess maybe when you talk about that, in certain lines, there's a good amount of volatility quarter to quarter, and some of that goes away if we look at it on a two year stack, like optimization is pretty stable on a two year basis, but variable on a one year basis. So just kind of maybe any color, just around what you're looking for for the second quarter, and then just, like when we think about the first quarter, any drivers that weighed a bit more in measurement growth was like legacy products or just more of a mix away from display, thank

you. Jill, do you wanna take Jason's first question? I'll take the second. Okay, I'll take it. I'll take both, Jason. All right, so your first question related to Q2 and the drivers that we're seeing in Q2, a couple things to call out, we're seeing, anticipating double digit growth in total advertiser revenue in the second quarter. Second thing to call out is we expect double digit opportunities to come out in Q2, and we expect that the optimization growth above the forecasted total Q2 revenue growth of 11% and the full year growth of 12%, but below the Q1 levels, because we saw such strength at that 24% for optimization. Also in terms of measurement, we do expect single digit measurement growth in Q2, improving from the first quarter levels, you probably saw that at 4% for Q1. And then in terms of publisher, another highlight for Q1 being 33%, in Q2 we do expect double digit revenue growth in the publisher revenue in Q2, but we do anticipate that growth to be below Q1 levels related to the timing of onboarding of Oracle customers. And then in terms of drivers for Q1 measurement growth, the thing I'll call out again is social growth being 15% is a highlight for the quarter. The way to think about that is we continue to grow our business both here in the US and internationally outside of the Americas, another bright spot for the quarter was our international growth of 18%. And one of the drivers of that growth is as our large global advertisers continue to adopt TMQ in our international markets and emerging markets, that's driving the social measurement growth. And then the other call I'll say tied to the social growth is both on Meta and TikTok, as you know, two of the three largest social platforms, we do see north of 50% revenue on both Meta and TikTok internationally.

And just can I follow up, why did it slow though versus the 12% of work?

For the measurement growth?

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Yeah, so you might remember as we continue to cross sell and upsell TMQ with these large global advertisers in the international markets and emerging markets in particular, the emerging markets, and this is across the industry, this isn't just with IAS, tend to have smaller budgets, lower CPM, so that is one of the reasons that you're seeing that from 12% to Q1 measurement growth. Thank you. Thank you.

And our next question will be coming from Mark Keely, at Stiefel, your line is open, Mark.

Great, thank you very much. I was hoping maybe you could expand just a little bit on the mid-market strategy that you alluded to, Lisa, in your prepared remarks. I know that's been a part of the strategy here for a bit, so maybe a little bit more color on what changes you think you need to make, and is that feedback from some of the mid-market agency deals and clients that you have already? And then second, we'd also love to hear your thoughts just on the Google ad tech trial, curious if you're seeing more interest in Publica as a result, or maybe any other thoughts that you have there. That would be great, thank you.

Yeah, thanks, Mark. I'll take both questions. So a couple of things about mid-market, you might remember the way we define mid-market is annual spend between 200K and a million. Mid-market clients, these are performance-based marketers who are focused on all the things related to ROI, driving efficiency, driving outcomes, and we've been very pleased with the growth that we're seeing in mid-market, both in the US and internationally. The area where mid-market is really starting to pop is the adoption of our performance-based products that we've launched, both in the back half of last year and in the first half of 2025. All of our new products on our 2025 product roadmap, they've all been released to date, which is the fastest, the highest velocity we've seen in shipping products, and it's really resonating, especially with the mid-market advertisers, again, they're performance-based. The other area where we're seeing nice growth in mid-market is from Oracle clients. You might remember one of the customer types within the Oracle business are mid-market accounts, and the team's doing a great job closing them, onboarding them, and lots of cross-sell and upsell. So again, we're pleased with mid-market. It's another important bet for 2025, a bet we've made both on the back end in beefing up our performance-related products, investing in automation to make it much simpler for mid-market accounts to activate the products, and then on the front end, continue to invest in a mid-market sales team as well as a service team. In terms of the Google trials that have happened, I would say that it's too early to tell. With Publica in particular, the majority of our business is on the buy side, the demand side, but Publica represents the supply side, especially in CTV, and we're seeing strong growth in Publica. It's too soon to tell, but it could potentially be a tailwind for our business should the publishers reassess their ad tech partners, depending on what the verdict is for Google.

Great, thank you, Lisa.

Yeah, thanks, Mark.

Thank you, and one moment for our next question, which will be coming from James Heaney of Jeffreys. Your line is open, James.

Great, thank you, guys. I guess speaking on the topic of Publica, you've been growing revenue now for the last couple quarters, around 30% -on-year. Just interested to hear what's been driving that success, anything specific on the product side or the -to-market, just anything you call out on that. Thank you.

Yeah, thanks for the question, James. So, a few call-outs on Publica, as I mentioned before, our 33% publisher revenue for Q1 is another highlight for the quarter that we're really proud of. Publica, it continues to be a great asset for the company. Large OEMs, they continue to see the value of our highly differentiated Publica offerings. And one area in particular where we continue to invest in, and I remember talking about this in last quarter's call, is introducing and refining product features to increase the bidding competition across the ad auctions. The OEMs, they love seeing the performance of the bidding enhancements that we're making and will continue to invest in those features and additional features for Publica. The other thing I think it's important to call out is just the non-CTV IAS publisher continues to also be a strength in our portfolio of products, and it's just great to see the brands leaning into our IAS publisher solutions. Great,

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you. Yeah, thanks.

And our next question will be coming from Yousef Squali of Truist Securities. Your line is open.

Thank you so much. Hey, Lisa, hey, Jill. So maybe just double-click in on the measurement, growth again at 4%. I think you said that open web revenues were down single digit percentage for the quarter on year on year basis. Can you maybe unpack the reasons for that? How much of that may have to do with maybe growing curation from SSPs or maybe some other things? Just try to see whether this is a new trend that's likely to continue. Is this something that's gonna kind of inflect again next quarter, especially that you said next quarter's measurement growth should be improving versus that 4%. And then at a high level, relative to your kind of your guidance this quarter versus prior quarter, and I'm talking more about your guidance for the full year, looks like you beat Q1 by a bit more than you've raised your number for the year. I understand maybe the macro and the uncertainty around it may be the driver, but just would love to see or to hear if there is anything else going on there. Thank you.

Yeah, thanks for the question, Yusuf. So the first one around the measurement 4% growth in Q1, we delivered single-digit growth in measurement as expected. And as I mentioned before, we're also pleased with that double-digit 15% growth in social media. The reflection of open web down by single digits, that there's, we're seeing it across the industry that display across the digital ecosystem is down. I think it's just a reflection of what's happening at a macro level from a display perspective. But also wanna reiterate the point I made earlier is we are seeing budget shifts from measurement to optimization. I think part of that has to do with macro environment as the brands continue to seek out differentiated solutions that drive performance, drive efficiency, drive ROI. So I think it's a combination of the two, of just display softness in the ecosystem and then the brands doubling down on all things related to optimization. And then with their second question around the full year guide and beating Q1 more than the raise, there are a few points I'll make on that in terms of macro economic environment. The first is, as you know, we're customer obsessed at IES. And over the last few weeks and months, we've been spending and I've personally been spending a lot of time with customers on the road, meeting with some of our largest advertisers, hold co's, publishers and platforms. And the feedback has been consistent in terms of how they view the macro economic conditions, the value that they're seeing in the products that we're offering, the fact that we're doubling down and providing greater transparency into all things related to programmatic. And based on all that feedback that we're receiving and the line of sight that we have to the forecast, that is why we set the guide the way that we set the guide.

Okay, thank you, Lisa.

Yeah, thank you.

Thank you. And our next question will be coming from Rob Coolbriss. Hi, Rob. I'm Rob Coolbriss, CEO of Evercore ISI. Your line is open, Rob.

Great, thank you very much. I wonder if you could talk about market response so far to pre-bid optimization tools and social. And if you could tell us whether that was maybe a factor in driving the strength and optimization in the quarter if it's just too early. And then secondly, wanted to ask if you could maybe spend a minute or two just educating us on how you go to market with dynamic performance profiles and the other CPM products. Is that a play on curation by the SSPs? Is it something that's activated through the buy side? Just anything more you could tell us about how you sort of go to market there. Thank you.

Yeah, sure. Thank you for both questions. So in terms of pre-bid social optimization, we're tracking in line with expectations. We're very pleased with the adoption rate that we're seeing in pre-bid social. We're also pleased with the ramp and the new features and increased global reach that we've continued to expand the product on all three of the major social platforms, Meta, TikTok, and YouTube. We receive ongoing feedback from the advertisers who have adopted the product. They continue to see improved performance and ROI. And I know that we cited this stat earlier on the live call but the brands that are using our social optimization solutions, they can see annual savings reach of 2X their ad investments. And they really appreciate the fact, especially during the macroeconomic conditions, that we are quantifying the ROI, we are quantifying the results that they're seeing. So we expect to continue to scale pre-bid in 2025 and we would anticipate more meaningful revenue in 2026. And then in terms of the -to-market with the curation products, there are a few things about that product that we've launched. Again, it's along the lines of leaning into all things related to performance and efficiency and ROI that we're delivering on behalf of the advertisers. The way it works is it's automated, optimized automation where we embed contextual segments at a pre-bid level to help the advertisers find higher quality media automated that leads to higher outcomes, better outcomes for the brand.

Okay, got it. Thank you very much.

Yeah, thank you.

And our next question will be coming from Justin Patterson of KeyBank. Your line is open, Justin.

Great, thank you. Lisa, last call you talked about China as an opportunity, we're pursuing more. I realize everything's fluid right now, but I'm curious how your timeline and investment levels around China may have changed for the year. Thank you.

Yeah, thanks Justin for the question. So as you remember last quarter, we launched -to-market in China. In fourth quarter, both a China in and a China out strategy. We are still alpha testing in China with luxury goods customers and we're receiving very encouraging feedback. We also have a strong pipeline of prominent global brands, both within luxury and CPG categories. And the other thing to know, and this was very exciting for the team, on April 1st, we had our first IES China event in Shanghai with over 40 clients and agencies in attendance. And they were combinations, some of them focused on local advertising in China and then some of the larger global brands were there, focused more on the China out strategy. We're also investing in growing headcount in support of our China-based initiatives. So again, it's very early days in China, but we're really pleased with the level of interest and engagement and we'll continue to running the alpha and providing value to the brands who are running the products.

As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 1-1 on your touchtone telephone and please wait for your name to be announced. Our next question will be coming from Brian Piss of BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open, Brian.

Thank you, Lisa. Maybe two questions for me. Can you talk about traction on alternative platforms like gaming, given that Roblox has recently noted they're seeing more meaningful growth in their ad business that's new? And then as you look further out with the rise of AI agents, can you talk about how these agents who perform tasks on users, on the internet solutions, how are your viewability and maybe invalid traffic solutions becoming increasingly more important? Are those customers starting to talk to you more about looking into the future and how they're gonna navigate some of those changes to the landscape? Thank you.

Yeah, sure, Brian. Thank you for both questions. So gaming is an important channel and Roblox is an important strategic partner. One thing to call out about Roblox is in April, we did announce that we were offering coverage on Roblox across media quality and performance solutions. And basically what that means is offering fraud, brand safety, suitability, and viewability on Roblox. We'll continue to test and learn with Roblox. When I think about gaming, it's not the top priority compared to the scale and reach of social platforms, but we'll continue to lean in with Roblox and test that capability. And then in terms of AI and capabilities, as I mentioned earlier on the call, a few things to call out about AI. And at IES, we're an AI first company. We have been leveraging AI for years. AI powers the majority of our products, powers the majority actually of our new products in 2025. But what distinguishes IES in terms of the use of AI and how we use it, it's not just the presence of AI, but I'd say more importantly, how we're applying AI. And I'll walk you through a few cases of how we're using it. We're using AI strategically to produce measurable outcomes beyond automation. We also combine human judgment with machine learning, applying AI where it adds the most value for our customers. We leverage AI to accelerate execution. And then also with everything that we do related to AI, we apply it responsibly with a clear focus on transparency, fairness, and trust. And to be clear, AI is not replacing how we work. It's an extension of what we can do as a company in driving value for our customers. And we treat it as a practical ever evolving tool. So we're really, really excited with how we're leveraging AI, how we continue to leverage it to drive differentiation and value for our customers.

Thank you.

Thank you.

And our next question will be coming from Jason Crair of Craig Halen. Your line is open, Jason.

Great, thank you. Just one question on the customers you brought over from Oracle. How are both conversations progressing just across the cross-sell opportunity? And are there any changes to what you would expect that contribution could look like over the next few quarters?

Yeah, thanks, Jason. Happy to answer that question. So a couple of things on Oracle. You might remember last summer was the summer of Oracle. We were really pleased with our close rate of over 70%, bringing on 75 plus new accounts into IES. Equally as excited about the fact that we hired over 30 employees from Oracle. So since the back half of last year, the team we've been very focused on onboarding these accounts, integrating the accounts, having them start utilizing our products, but I'd say also more importantly, drives across sell and upsell. We're pleased with the stickiness that we've seen with the Oracle customers, their adoption of multiple products across the portfolio in all three of our business lines. And then the other thing I think is important to know is we are seeing a higher adoption of context control from the former GrapeShop clients than we are from non-Oracle accounts. So this is just a great illustration, the story of Oracle, our ability to execute as a business, to quickly integrate dozens and dozens of accounts and drive extended and ongoing value as they adopt more and more products.

And one moment for our next question. Our next question will be coming from Mark Zitovich. Your line is open.

Thank you. Hi, Lisa. Just a couple quick specific ones for me. On OpenWeb, I'm curious what your 2Q and 25 guide implies for growth there. You talked about, I think you said a single digit growth number down single digits in 2Q. And if you can maybe quantify whether that's high single or low single, but just trying to get a sense of the trajectory there because it seems like it's come down a bit from fourth quarter. And then as it relates to Oracle incrementality in Q1, just curious sort of what the incrementality was there. You talked about 2Q being, you know, the growth in Publisher being a little bit less than 1Q due to less onboarding of Oracle. Just curious if that's a carry into the second half of the year in terms of Oracle specifically, and then also what's sort of implied for Oracle in your 25 guide. Thank you.

Sure. Jill, do you want

to take the first question? Yes. Yeah, I'd be glad to. Hey, Mark, thanks. So as far as measurement assumptions for growth, we're assuming measurement will contribute to the total advertiser growth in the single digits, but improving off of the first quarter that was posted at 4%.

And one moment, Frank. Okay. Yeah. And then, I guess,

specific to Open Web is just trying to... I'm just trying to get a sense of the trajectory of Open Web that's implied in your guidance for the year.

Yeah, I can take that. So measurement improved from 4% in Q2 in full year to single digits. The other thing to call out is we'll be higher than 4% in second quarter in full year on measurement. Mid to high single digits is appropriate. And then in terms of publisher growth due to onboarding and Oracle timing, as I mentioned before, we're really pleased with the adoption, the integration and adoption we've seen across all of the Oracle customers we brought onboard. With the publisher business in particular with Oracle, we expect continued strength in publisher revenue in Q2 at a lower racing Q1 related to the timing of onboarding of the Oracle customers. And this is just the timing of the contracts and the timing of onboarding them.

Okay, thank you. Appreciate it.

Yeah,

thank you. Thank you. One moment for our next question, which will be coming from Omar Dissouki of Bank of America. Your line is open, Omar.

Hi there. I wanted to double click on your comment about continuing to invest in a mid-market sales team. So, how should we think about the ramp of that investment? You know, namely, is it sort of like a one-time investment? You know, will you invest as you see growth? And what is the ultimate, you know, size of this incremental sales force as compared to your existing sales force? Thanks.

Thanks, Omar, for the question. So, the way to think about the ramp of mid-market, we're being thoughtful about the ramp of the sales team for a couple of reasons. Bringing them onboard, training them to be able to sell our product, but quickly be able to start activating accounts, lighting them up and generating revenue. So, the plan we have in place is several quarters of bringing these, I'll say, tranche of sales reps in and onboard them and ramp them. The other thing, and I've seen this in my many years of running sales teams, mid-market and inside sales teams are as successful as the revenue they generate. So, there's got to be some form of self-funded revenue model in place where the team has got to generate the revenue, put the numbers up on the board as we continue to fund headcount. In terms of comparing the size of mid-market to our larger team, it's a fraction of the global enterprise team, but again, we're confident in this strategy in investing in mid-market, especially as we're seeing the adoption rate that we're seeing and putting up numbers like 24% in optimization. So, we'll keep investing in the performance-based products in the automation and onboarding and training the sales team.

Okay, so that's very interesting, thank you. It sounds like you're alluding to an inside sales model rather than more of a high-touch model for your larger clients. Let me know if I'm hearing that right. And how should we think about the sales cycles in mid-market as compared to your existing clients? Thanks for allowing me to ask my question. Yeah, great question.

Yep, so mid-market, as I mentioned before, they're performance-based advertisers. They're lower-touch, simpler activation, simpler product offering, but very fast to activate and accelerate and get live. So, investments both in simplifying the optimization product offering, investing in automation, so it doesn't require lots of white-glove treatment. They're more self-serve clients. And then, again, just ensuring that the products are driving the efficiency and ROI that they're looking for.

And I am showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back to Lisa Schneider for closing remarks. Here, line is open.

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