IBEX Limited

Welcome to the IBEX first quarter 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question at that time, please press star 11 on your telephone. To note, there's an accompanying earnings deck presentation available on the IBEX Investor Relations website at investor.ibex.co. I will now turn this conference over to Mr. Michael Darwall, Deputy CFO and Investor Relations of IBEX. Please go ahead.

Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us today.

Before we begin, I want to remind you that matters discussed on today's call may include forward-looking statements related to our operating performance, financial goals, and business outlook, which are based on management's current beliefs and assumptions. Please note that these forward-looking statements reflect our opinion as of the date of this call, and we undertake no obligation to revise this information as a result of new developments which may occur. Forward-looking statements are subject to various risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from those expected and described today. For a more detailed description of our risk factors, please review our annual report on Form 10-K filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission on September 13, 2023. As a reminder, as of July 1, 2023, We became a domestic filer and are reporting on a US GAAP basis rather than from the previous IFRS standard. With that, I will now turn the call over to Bob Deccan, CEO of IBEX.

Thank you, Mike. Good afternoon, everyone. And thank you all for joining us today as we share our first quarter fiscal 2024 results. I am extremely proud of how well our business continues to perform. In the quarter, We delivered on our key objectives while achieving the high end of our revenue guidance and coming in line with our EBITDA margin guidance. More importantly, IBEX continues to consistently execute, capitalize on market opportunities, and strengthen our position. Q1 FY24 is our seventh consecutive quarter of year-over-year adjusted EBITDA growth. and our fifth straight quarter of year-over-year adjusted EBITDA margin improvement, driven by continued growth of our high-margin services and geographies. Revenues for the quarter were $124.6 million as we continue to migrate portions of our onshore business to higher-margin offshore and nearshore regions. Adjusted EBITDA increased 6% year-on-year to $13.7 million, up 90 basis points to 11%, while adjusted net income improved to $7.6 million from $6.8 million in the quarter. And adjusted EPS increased to $0.40 from $0.36 prior year. we generated 6.6 million in free cash flow, more than triple from the prior year quarter, finishing the quarter with an outstanding balance sheet that is debt-free and with a net cash position of 61.1 million. Our conversion rate of adjusted EBITDA to free cash flow was nearly 50%. We believe that our consistent trajectory of margin improvement and maintaining an outstanding balance sheet and our ability to generate strong free cash flow puts us in an enviable competitive position. From an overall client and sales standpoint, our pipeline is resuming its pace of wins and deal flow. Our growth has been fueled historically by our powerful new logo engine and fiscal 2024 is off to a fast start. We began the first quarter with four impressive new client wins across key verticals, including healthcare and financial services. And that carried into Q2. I am excited to report that we have won two blue chip Fortune 100 brands, one in the automotive transportation vertical, and one with a very large retail brand in highly competitive deals. Both are launching in late Q2. Our competitive advantage continues to be centered around our BPO 2.0 capabilities, and now more recently in our ability to bring advanced AI-based technology to our solution. Of these two wins, One is in our near shore Jamaica region and the other in our provincial Philippines geography, demonstrating our ability to win in all the diverse markets we serve. We expect these two clients to scale in the second half of FY24. Additionally, IBEX continues to expand its higher margin integrated omni-channel and digital first support which is now 77% of our overall business, up from 71% a year ago. With these new wins and our strong pipeline, we remain confident in our brand and our ability to win transformative new business throughout the fiscal year. Operationally, we continue to execute well for our clients across all geographies, and consistently outperform our competition. Our ability to not only land new clients, but to expand with them is a strong proof point of our ability to operationally deliver. As a data point, today, for our top 25 clients, we operate on average in nearly two and a half distinct geographies for them. We typically start with a client in one geography and then we grow with them in new regions based on our strong performance. We view this as a proxy for being a trusted partner to our clients and our ability to deliver exceptional customer experiences in all our operating regions. Now, last quarter, I discussed our three-axis strategy for deploying AI for our clients to improve performance and the customer experience. The first axis is focused on the frontline agent where we have been deploying generative AI to make the agent more productive as part of our WaveX tool set. Second is where we use AI in our deep analytics and business intelligence offering, enabling us to provide better, more actionable insights into the customer. And third, is where we deploy generative AI to automate contacts with solutions such as voice bots and chat bots. This third prong is a further evolution of our digital transformation where we have been working with our clients moving from voice calls to digital contacts such as chat and SMS. We are now building solutions where the digital first experience can start with digital automation, which we see as an even higher margin service. This is why we are bullish on generative AI, and we see this as more opportunity than risk. I want to highlight that we are using our speed and our tech strength to quickly move into these opportunities. We now have over 15 opportunities in our pipeline with both existing and new clients. And these solutions are helping us win new clients. As an example, one of the key differentiators in our recent automotive transportation client win I referenced earlier was our unique ability to demonstrate and deliver an AI powered smart IVR solution to digitally transform their customer experience. We leveraged our new Genesis platform and generative AI to build a solution that also includes conversational voice and chat box, creating a seamless CX solution from an AI agent to a live agent. We see this as the next generation of integrated omnichannel and the next wave of WaveX. We believe solutions like this will continue the growth of our higher margin digital first services. From a capital allocation standpoint, we are successfully executing on our share buyback program, given the current valuation and the confidence in the trajectory of IBEX. Since we announced the program, we have acquired more than 400,000 shares back. We see this as a very attractive use of our growing capital. Additionally, we are actively exploring new markets for client expansion. Our strong balance sheet puts us in a great position to expand our geographical footprint and analyze market by market whether to organically expand or to look for a small tuck-in acquisition. And finally, our debt-free environment and our overall structure is enabling us to generate strong free cash flow, enabling us to put our capital to constructive use and to make targeted investments for growth. In closing, my team and I are focused on continued strengthening of the business and driving value for our employees, clients, and our shareholders. I will now turn the call over to Taylor to go through our financial results and guidance. Taylor?

Thank you, Bob, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining the call today. In my discussions of our first quarter fiscal year 2024 financial results, references to revenue, net income, and net cash generated from operations are on a U.S. GAAP basis, while adjusted net income, adjusted earnings per share, adjusted EBITDA, and free cash flow are on a non-GAAP basis. Reconciliations of our U.S. GAAP to non-GAAP measures are included in the tables attached to our earnings press release. We had a strong quarter, representing a solid start to our fiscal year in terms of profitability and free cash flow. As our clients continued migrating to lower-cost offshore regions and we absorbed the impact of a changing business environment for several of our FinTech clients, revenue declined 2.5% to $124.6 million compared to $127.8 million in the prior year quarter. Revenue mix continued to trend toward higher margin services and geographies. Digital and omnichannel delivery now represent 77% of our total revenue versus 71% in the first quarter a year ago, while our offshore and nearshore revenues now comprise 75% of total revenue versus 70% in the prior year quarter. Looking at revenue in total, The shift in geomix and decline in the fintech vertical were largely offset by growth in our strategic health tech and retail verticals. Net income increased to 7.4 million versus 6.5 million in the prior year quarter. The increase in net income was primarily driven by stronger operating results and higher interest income versus interest expense in the prior year quarter, partially offset by higher tax expense. EPS increased to 39 cents compared to $0.35 in the prior year quarter. We expect our annual effective tax rate to be approximately 20% for the year on a normalized basis. On a non-GAAP basis, adjusted net income increased to $7.6 million compared to $6.8 million in the prior year quarter. Non-GAAP fully diluted adjusted earnings per share increased to $0.40 compared to $0.36 in the prior year quarter. Adjusted EBITDA increased to $13.7 million, or 11% of revenue, compared to $12.9 million, or 10.1% of revenue, for the same period last year. The increase in adjusted EBITDA margin was primarily driven by stronger operating results from an increased mix of higher margin offshore and nearshore delivery, higher capacity utilization, and an increased mix of digital and omnichannel delivery. partially offsetting these operational benefits for higher SG&A expenses for investments in sales, marketing, IT, infrastructure, and increased compliance expenses to support our growing business. For the first quarter of fiscal year 2024, our top five and top 10 client concentrations remained largely flat at 40% and 59%, respectively, of overall revenue. Our client base remained stable as just one new client entered our top 10 client list. We have worked hard to diversify our client base over the last several years and are proud of the progress we have made. Switching to our verticals, retail and e-commerce increased to 23.4% of first quarter revenue versus 21.3% in the prior year quarter. Health tech increased to 11.9% of first quarter revenue versus 10.2% in the prior year quarter. And travel transportation logistics increased to 13.5% of first quarter revenue versus 13% in the prior year quarter. Conversely, our exposure to telecommunications vertical decreased to 16.8% of quarterly revenue versus 17.3% in the prior year quarter. Additionally, fintech decreased to 14.8% of revenue for the quarter versus 19.9% in the prior year quarter, impacted by the changing landscape for crypto and new economy investment platform plans. Net cash generated from operations increased to $8.7 million for the quarter, compared to $5.6 million in the prior year quarter, primarily due to stronger operating results. Our DSOs were 67 days, up four days sequentially. Several larger client payments were received shortly after the quarter ended and negatively impacted our DSOs at the end of the first quarter. Despite this, we continue to be below industry average. Capital expenditures were $2.1 million, or 1.6% of revenue in the first quarter of fiscal year 2024, versus $3.6 million, or 2.8% of revenue in the prior year quarter, as we continued to utilize our available capacity following the build-outs completed during the pandemic. The investment we did make in CapEx for the quarter was used predominantly for seat utilization of previously built-out capacity. Free cash flow increased to 6.6 million in the current quarter compared to 2.0 million in the prior year quarter, as we converted nearly half of adjusted EBITDA to free cash flow. This is the highest level of free cash flow IBEX has generated in the first quarter of a fiscal year. We ended the first quarter with 62 million in cash, up from 57.4 million as of June 2023, mostly driven by strong cash conversion of operating profits during the quarter. Net cash improved to $61.1 million from $56.4 million as of June 2023. Borrowing availability under our revolving credit facilities increased to $72.6 million at September 2023 compared to $71.9 million as of June 2022. During the quarter on September 18th, we announced a share repurchase program authorizing us to repurchase up to $30 million worth of shares. In the first quarter, we repurchased 134,000 shares for $2 million. For fiscal year to date through November 8th, we have repurchased over 400,000 shares. Looking forward to the remainder of 2024, we're confident in the resiliency of our business, supported by the client diversification and strategic vertical expansions we've built over the preceding years. As a result of our strong start to the year, we remain confident in our execution, which is reinforced by our reiteration of prior guidance and our share repurchase program. We believe our recent client wins and strength of our pipeline will return us to growth later in the year and position us well as we head into fiscal year 2025. I joined IBEX as I was excited about the diversity of clients from vertical markets we serve, the strong balance sheet and positive cash flow, strength of our management team and employees, and our ability to win market share to grow our business. As I have now been here for almost three months, I can say that I have not been disappointed in any of the assumptions I made about IBEX prior to joining the team. I'm certainly excited about our future and where we're headed. With that, Barbara, I'll now take questions. Operator, please open the line.

Thank you. Again, ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone. Again, to ask a question, please press star 11. One moment for our first question. Our first question comes from the line of Toby Sommer of Truist. Your line is open.

Thanks.

I was wondering if you could describe what you're hearing from customers in your conversations with them about calendar 2024 growth expectations in their businesses and the implications for IBEX next year.

Okay. Yeah, thanks for that question, Toby, and appreciate you joining the call. Our clients give us pretty good visibility to their business and their forecasts. Six months out, they'll kind of give directional views past that. If you look at the whole of them, they're still trying to figure that out. And you'll have some that are winning and they're pretty bullish on that and others that are, you know, kind of, let's say a little bit more conservative. You put it all together, you know, it's kind of looks like our top 25 clients that we've talked about, Taylor talked about earlier that, you know, some up, some down, but for the most part, they're holding in really strong. And I think that's a tribute to the very diversified business that we built, not only from clients, but from the verticals. And so some winners, some losers, but you put it all together, and I think we're holding pretty strong.

I appreciate that. And I was wondering maybe if you could describe the pace of deal flow, which in your first part of your prepared remarks, I think you described as improving, and maybe add to that a little bit of perspective on the contours of of the pipeline for new logos. Thanks.

Sure. Yeah. And that's an important part, as you know, of our business. And, you know, last quarter I kind of shared that, hey, the pace is picking up and we have some really large deals that are in play. And, you know, really delighted to announce that, you know, we're two for two on those very large deals and we won four other deals. And that's really the track record that my team and I have built here over years. The first two quarters of the calendar year, you know, our last two quarters of our fiscal year, things started slowing and they started, you know, getting delayed and deals. And I see that things are back to the pace that they were. And with very large blue chip deals and also what I think are some, you know, really new economy, you know, kind of disruptive brands. And so we're getting excited about where this business is picking up again and how that trajectory looks in the back, not only the back half of the year, but really, you know, into 25.

And then I just wanted to ask a question about capital employment. I'll get back in the queue. Should we expect a similar pace of acquisition, or excuse me, of share repurchase given the announced value that you said you execute over six months? And maybe if you could give us the parameters in thought process around how you're going to manage the balance sheet sort of over time once that's come and gone and been executed on. Like how low would you let cash go? Do you want cash to remain relatively stable even with the share repurchase? Thanks.

Taylor, why don't you? Yeah, no, absolutely. So, you know, Toby, we don't provide a forecast or guidance for our share repurchase. But what I can say is we certainly believe the valuations that our shares are trading right now are compelling. And, you know, as you saw, you know, Once we've announced the share repurchase program, we've repurchased over 400,000 shares for $6.7 million. And we have, you know, authorization up to 30 million. So we have, you know, over an additional $20 million availability to continue the repurchase program. But, you know, fortunately, if you look at our balance sheet, as you indicated, we have no debt. We have a very nice cash balance. We have positive cash flow. And so, you know, we balance all our capital allocation strategies. And at this point, we're, you know, don't have any debt to repay, you know, aren't considering a dividend. So it's really our capital is going to be balanced between, you know, share repurchase, expanding capacity and targeted geographies. And then we're also, as Bob mentioned, open to, you know, targeted and opportunistic M&A opportunities if they come along. So I would say that we're We are comfortable with our balance sheet, obviously, where it is now, but we'd also be comfortable deploying some of the capital on these items, assuming we get the proper return. So we'll continue down that path, but feel we're in very good shape from a balance sheet perspective.

If I could sneak in a follow-up there, with respect to targeted acquisitions, could you describe in the broadest parameters, like what kind of thing would fit? Is it Is it geographic? Is it an industry? Is it some existing customer relationships? What would you want to extract from an acquisition like that?

Exactly. I think we'd be interested potentially in geographic expansion and geographies where we aren't currently located to get a beachhead, and then we can grow organically from there. I think also we have strategic verticals, and if we saw an opportunity that was focused on one of our strategic verticals, I think that would interest us as well.

Yeah, Toby, if I could just add, you know, we are, you know, for the better part of my first, you know, seven, eight years here, you know, we were heads down operating this business. And now that we've really transformed this business and we have this really, you know, well-structured balance sheet and business model, We've now really created a corp dev team that has a lot of pipeline that we're, you know, that we are evaluating in that. And so, you know, going back a year, you know, we're kind of just starting that process. And now, you know, we've been careful about it. But, you know, there's a lot of opportunities that we're having. And, you know, the good news is I think we have a team that is pretty sharp and savvy and looking at, you know, the right things. And then we'll make, you know, if that comes across, we'll make that decision.

Appreciate your responses. Thank you. Operator, are there any more questions?

Our next question comes from the line of Dave Koning of Bayard. Your line is open.

Yeah. Hey, guys. Nice job. Can you hear me?

Sure can, Dave. Yeah.

All right. Good, good. So I guess my first question, you're doing a nice job. This year is a little tougher growth-wise, but would you be growing better? Maybe how much headwind is the shift offshore and how much is it in a normal year? Like is this year a 5% headwind from the shift offshore, but in a normal year it might only be a couple percent? Like how much of the headwind to revenue is this? I know that's good for margin, but just kind of talk through that.

sure and i guess the way that you know to to think about this dave and i think we talked about you know in in the numbers is the percentage of business that we now have in the near shore and offshore regions and that increased um five percent for our business and so you know and if you look at what's happened in the us you know which is where that is extensively coming from um know that that's down you know downsizably so you know you you can you can see you know the correlation of the us down you know to the you know oh you know to the movement of the regions and so you know i i think that's the math that you know that's there um where what i'd like is i think we've gotten a lot of that trend you know that uh transformation or the movement you know, kind of behind us as we move, you know, kind of into the second half of this year. And so, you know, I think, you know, the way I look at it is hopefully that will be key in us resuming, you know, kind of getting into resuming out what has been our, you know, really strong growth track record of, you know, of the better part of eight years. And so, You know, I think once those things kind of level, you know, normalize, I think, you know, that will be a key driver for us. And especially because that pipeline is picking up.

And Bob, I just add in terms of the migration, it certainly has contributed. You know, we've had very nice gross margin improvement over the past year. It's gone from about 25% in the first quarter of 23 to 29% this quarter. And the shift to offshore has certainly helped us. improve that gross margin as well as operate improvements we've made in the U.S. Gotcha.

Thanks for that. And then maybe just as a follow-up question, you've had a lot of years where you've grown very well, right around 10% or so. In a normal year like that, how much of the growth is from existing and how much is from new? And then in a year like this, how does that change? And then do you think you'll get back to normal by next year, maybe even late this year?

yeah we're hoping that we can get you know and again the market's a little bit tough dave right you know so and also you know can we get to double digit in the back half of the year you know in q4 or into 25 i'm not quite sure we're there yet but you know can we get into upper single digits i you know that's what we're hopeful for you know if things keep progressing on the pipeline You know, we feel good about just how that trajectory adds up. And if you look at, you know, Dave, I kind of look and say, and we've shared these numbers in past, our new logo revenue has ranged in the 30 to 50 million in-year revenue over the last, let's say, you know, kind of three, four years-ish. You know, and so as we kind of move from a $400 million to a $500 million company, you know, you can just kind of do that math, $30, $40, $50 million off of $400, $500 million. You know, so that adds in, in your about 10% growth. But more importantly, as you know, those clients do have historically done, you know, two and a half times in year two. So that usually, you know, you put those two things together and that builds has given strong growth for us. And, you know, we think we're in a good position to, you know, have our business structurally look like that down the road.

Gotcha. That's helpful. Great job on margins and cashflow too.

Yeah. We're excited about what we've done here structurally as a company. It just, you know, it's really, we're proud of that.

Yeah. Great to see. Thanks guys. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. One moment, please. Again, ladies, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star 1-1 on your telephone. Again, to ask a question, please press star 1-1. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Roswell of RBC. Your line is open.

Yes, congratulations on a nice quarter. I have three questions. Sorry about that. All revolving around the large wins, and I guess the three of them are first. You mentioned that they were very competitive. So can you talk about pricing and competition for those wins, for the large wins, and then in general? Second part of the question is the analytics piece. Do you think that will become table stakes for winning new deals relatively soon? And the final question for Taylor is, You mentioned the ramp towards the back half of the year. How should we think about sort of the seasonality, the revenues? Are they large enough to kind of move the needle? Thank you.

Great. So let me take that. Thanks for those questions and joining. Let me take the first two and then Taylor will bounce over to you if that makes sense. But so, you know, the deals that, you know, I talked about, especially the large deals, Very, very competitive. And again, I would just sit and say, think of the big multi-billion dollar players, the $10 billion multi-players toe-to-toe in those. So I like to call those on-Broadway deals. And what both of them... One common thing that we had in both of those, and one was a nearshore deal and one was a provincial Philippine deal, was the decision and your position around and your ability to deliver generative AI solutions. In this one case, as I highlighted, a smart IVR that then has chatbots and voicebots in the front end of the experience and being able to deliver those, that was key. And if we braided out light on that versus the other folks, there's no way we would have won that. And if I go back a year ago, that would never have been in anybody's decision-making process. So it's front and center. And the other deal, and we're implementing that immediately. The other deal was very similar, but it's kind of like phase two for them. And so what I love is in that area of the business, we're going heads up against the multi-billion dollar players and we're beating them because we have the BPO 2.0 capabilities, the culture, the analytics, the branding, all of that, the WaveX technologies, and now AI. And we're not taking a backseat. And that's what I love about what we've done. And therefore, the pricing is, you know, it's not front and center. You have to be competitive. We think that with, you know, and again, think of this, these experiences now become automated experiences. they are lower cost than human experiences. But it's a just an extension, the way I look at this, it's just an extension of the transactions that we do with human folks. But now we get paid. And you don't put me using technology to do that. And you monetize it. And we think that that is the visual I have is that is higher margin. So when you put all of that together, That's why we're bullish on this. And I know the market looks at, you know, AI as, you know, around BPO as a risk. But that solution is clearly a, you know, extension of what we do. And that's why we're excited about that. And that's why pricing, you know, is competitive. You know, it's, you don't have, you know, you're not winning on low pricing. Let me put it that way. You just, you know, we hold our own. On the end, part two, and I apologize for that long-winded answer, but that was something that we're excited about. On the analytics side, that's taken stakes. But the question is, how good are you? So you have to have analytics. But where we think we're differentiating ourselves is using AI for analytics, where you can, A, not be so reliant on analytics, so you can scale it more cost-effectively. But instead of surveying a low percentage of calls, you can survey 100% of the calls and then use those analytics, those AI analytics, to find better insights, accurate insights. And we think that, yeah, it's table space, but within that, you're saving those that can build it as a strong competitive advantage. And I think we're in a great position on that. And Taylor, over to you on part three.

Yeah, so I think part three related to the progression of the year and how we see some of the new winds rolling out. So if we look at revenue from Q1 to Q2, we are going to have a similar seasonal range as we did last year, maybe just not quite as strong, but I think it'll be very similar to last year. And so revenue from a Q2 perspective will be down slightly on a year-over-year basis. But with the wins, the four wins that Bob mentioned we won in Q1, and then we have two additional so far in Q2, we're going to see revenue ramping so that Q3 will probably be an inflection point on a year-over-year basis in terms of revenue growth. And then we see these contributing nicely to Q4, and we will return to growth in Q4. From a profitability standpoint, profitability often follows revenue. So on a year-over-year basis, the profitability will be down slightly, as revenue will be down slightly in Q2. But we also, in addition, with all these deals that we've won and the ramping, we, as you know, we expense our training costs as they're incurred and we defer the training revenue, so it has a negative drag on margins initially, so we'll see some of that impact in Q2, but as these deals ramp and revenue grows and some of the training costs get behind us, you'll see nice progression in margins in Q3 and Q4 and Q5. You know, we always see a nice trend between Q2 and Q3 anyway, just because of some of the seasonal training that falls off between Q2 and Q3, and we're certainly going to see that again this year as well.

Okay, thank you very much.

Thank you. One moment, please. Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Potter of Citi. Your line is open.

Hey, thanks for taking my question. It's nice to see the two deals that you mentioned in 2Q and with some of it coming from your Gen AI capabilities, but could you give an update on where you stand with your plan investments and rollouts into Gen AI and various capabilities around that? And I guess what has client adoption been so far of Gen AI? Are we still in very early stages? Are most clients starting to ask for some Gen AI embedded into their current services and Tagging on that cadence question, how do you expect Gen AI to kind of help you through the peak volume season in 2Q?

Sure. Great, you know, really good question, Ryan, and appreciate that. So Gen AI, it's early, yeah, very, very early. And so we have pretty much over the last quarter, and I believe I had this in my remarks that, you know, we now have 15 opportunities sitting in that pipeline. Some of those are embedded-based clients. Others are, you know, kind of like this new win that we had that, you know, they're asking us to deliver around that. But there's not one, you know, there's not one only solution like it's not like everything is voice bots or everything is chat bots as it relates to ai our clients are looking at us you know to um you know kind of multiple facets around how to deploy ai to improve either take cost out or improve the experience and improve the number of you know interactions that you can do and so you know we're early on those you know that And there's different types. And so, you know, as it relates to, you know, kind of the impact it's having, here's what I do know. Gen AI has not really taken any volumes out of any of our clients' business. But it has the potential to complement. It has the potential to move the actual human interactions to the very complex and take the lower cost ones off. And if we can do that and we can use technology and create a high margin business on that, it creates, I think, a powerful business model for IDEX. And so that's kind of how we're thinking around this. As it relates to, hey, is any of this really changing the ability to maybe not rant so much during peak season? uh my team and i have actually been out in front with quite a few clients where we you know have kind of building call deflection solutions for them uh where they don't have to you know hire that many folks and we do that now you know i think those will take hold probably for next year i think they got a lot of interest on those for this this peak season um and you know probably didn't have the time to get there. And, you know, my belief is as we turn the corner, you know, here next year around, you're going to see, you know, maybe some of those solutions being implemented and, you know, some pretty good, you know, technology-scale solutions that will be delivered.

Got it. That's helpful.

And I guess on the excess seat capacity that you guys have kind of called out, can you comment on how much of that seat capacity is kind of left to sell into And are there certain geos where you have more capacity than others? And I guess in terms of CapEx, CapEx has been relatively low as you've been selling into seats that are already built. But can you comment on eventual additional buildups you might need and how CapEx might trend going forward and then how you decide on the organic versus inorganic growth?

Sure, let me take the first part and then maybe you can kind of help around the CAPEX. Let me talk a little bit about the utilization around the geographies and such. And I think you could see these in the growth rates of our regions that you'll see, but our offshore regions, have been growing pretty aggressively. So we've been filling a lot of capacity in those regions. And then, you know, our near shore regions have been filling not quite as fast, you know, a fast rate. So if I look at it right now, we have plenty of capacity in the near shore. That's why I'm excited about, you know, the one wind that we have, you know, large client in Jamaica, because I don't think a big chunk out of that. And that's, you know, should have strong margin, you know, flow through to margins. We will, you know, with the growth that we've been doing in the Philippines, we'll probably continue to look at, you know, some new markets, some new provincial plays, you know, in a market like that. And so, you know, I think we can get into some balanced CapEx going, you know, going forward. I think we've been, you know, very conservative. Taylor, I'll love your thoughts on, you know, on that.

Yeah, no, I think you're spot on. I think if there's one geography that we're probably would lean into a little bit more than others, where utilization is right now, it's probably the Philippines. If you look at our capital expenditures in the first quarter, they were just a little over $2 million, which is around the, you know, it's on the low side of our capital expenditures. We provide guidance of $15 to $20 million for the year, which would imply that, you know, we would accelerate some of those capital expenditure investments and capacity expansions. later in the year is when I would expect that to happen.

Got it. Thanks again.

Thank you. Again, ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star 1-1 on your telephone. Again, to ask a question, please press star 1-1.

Thank you.

I'm sure no questions at this time. I'll turn the call back over to Bob Deckett, CEO, for any closing remarks.

Yeah, thanks, Valerie. Thank you all for listening to our earnings call. You know, in closing, I just have to say this. We're really proud of what we've built here and have full confidence in where this business is going and our ability to deliver in the future. So thank you all for listening, and we'll look forward to next quarter. Thank you.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's conference. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect. Have a great day.