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spk08: Welcome to the ibex second quarter full year 2024 earnings conference call. At this time all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speakers presentation there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session you will need to press star 1-1 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question please press star 1-1 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. To note there is an accompanying earnings deck presentation available on the ibex investor relations website at .ibex.co. I will now turn this conference over to Mr. Michael Darwall, investor relations of ibex.
spk07: Good afternoon and thank you for joining us
spk11: today.
spk07: Before
spk11: we begin I want to remind you that matters discussed on today's call may include forward-looking statements related to our operating performance, financial goals, and business outlook which are based on management's current beliefs and assumptions. Please note that these forward-looking statements reflect our opinion as of the date of this call and we undertake no obligation to revise this information as a result of new developments which may occur. Forward-looking statements are subject to various risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from those expected and described today. For a more detailed description of our risk factors, please review our annual report on Form 10-K filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission on September 13, 2023. As a reminder, as of July 1, 2023, we became a domestic filer and as such are now reporting on a U.S. GAAP basis rather than from the previous IFRS standard. With that, I will now turn the call over to ibex CEO Bob Decken.
spk05: Thank you, Mike. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you all for joining us today as we share our second quarter fiscal 2024 results. Over the course of the last 12 months, we have made strategic investments into our building blocks for our next phase of growth, efforts which are now coming to fruition in terms of size, speed, and quality of our new logo pipeline and wins. I'm very excited to report we had eight new client wins in the quarter, totaling 12 for the first half of FY24 as compared to seven for the first half of FY23. This tracks similarly to the velocity of our new client wins we had in FY22, our banner year for new logos. These wins include several high-profile deals with Fortune 50 and Fortune 500 clients, opportunities we won -to-head against our -billion-dollar competitors. Beyond this, we have continued to have success with exciting new economy brands. These wins span our strategic verticals of health tech and retail and e-commerce and AI technology. Stepping back and looking at these deals and our key pipeline opportunities, I am seeing that AI capabilities are playing a key role in client decision making as they look for BPO partners who can not only deliver great contact center services, but also rapidly deploy disruptive AI-based solutions. Our recent accomplishments highlight our ability to succeed on both fronts and positions as well as we move forward. This momentum is continuing into our second half with wins and great opportunities with premier brands in Q3. Although our new logo engine continues to build strength for future growth, the combination of softer volumes with several embedded-based clients and the transition of significant client volume from our onshore to offshore regions led to lower top-line revenue in the quarter. Revenues came in at $132.6 million, down .8% from prior year. The impact of this, coupled with planned investments in three key areas, including our organization, our AI initiative, and our integrated HCM ERP systems, resulted in a decline in adjusted EBITDA to $14.3 million from $19.4 million in Q2 FY23. Additionally, we had a $2.3 million adverse impact associated with the recognition of deferred training revenue to both top and bottom-line results when comparing to prior year quarter. As previously noted, when we are going through significant ramps for new wins, we defer training revenues associated with those ramps over the term of the program while recognizing the full training costs in the current period. While new client wins and ramps have a long-term positive impact for the business, the initial launches have a short-term negative impact. IBEX continues to optimize its footprint and capacity utilization through a combination of shifting volume mix toward our offshore geographies as well as right-sizing our onshore and nearshore footprints. Since the start of the fiscal year, capacity utilization has increased in each of our regions, driven by the combination of shifting mix and the site rationalizations we undertook in the second half of fiscal year 2023. We exited December at 91% utilization of our seat capacity globally, including work at home, up from 77% as of June 2023. Our onshore delivery now represents less than 23% of revenue versus 27% same quarter a year ago. And our offshore markets now make up nearly 50% versus less than 43% a year ago. It is these shifts that give us confidence in our expectations for appreciable margin improvement starting in Q3 FY24. I would like to spend a few minutes talking about our plan to accelerate our leadership position in deploying AI-based solutions. Recently, we announced the hiring of industry veteran, Eric Garrow, as our Senior Vice President of Digital Transformation. In his newly appointed role, Garrow will spearhead the strategy and execution of IBEX's digital transformation offering aimed at reshaping customer and brand interactions through the seamless integration of cutting-edge contact center solutions and AI-enabled technologies. This is one of the several strategic investments we continue to make in support of our three-axis strategy for deploying AI for our clients to improve performance, cost, and the customer experience. Last quarter, I discussed the disruptive solution we are deploying for smart IDRs, conversational chat, and voice bots for an important new client win. With Eric leading the charge, we have developed a robust pipeline across all three axes, and we continue to win new opportunities and deployments. As an example, we are implementing a solution for deep AI-driven analytics for a top healthcare company leveraging ANA AI. The goal is to redefine the patient experience by leveraging AI-powered quality and sentiment analysis of every interaction to rapidly identify drivers of dissatisfaction. AI technology also creates opportunities for us on the client front. We are very excited about a new client win with an AI wearables technology pioneer who has developed the first wearable device and software platform to build and harness the full power of AI. We are working shoulder to shoulder with our client to bring this product and service successfully to market and to define an amazing customer experience. It is these exciting wins that showcase our differentiation and our first mover position in AI. From a capital allocation standpoint, we continue to execute on our share buyback program, which we announced last September, driven by the current valuation and our confidence in the trajectory of IBEX. Since we announced the program, we have acquired more than 700,000 shares back. This continues to be an attractive and efficient use of our capital. We continue to evaluate new markets for expansion, whether organically or through acquisition. We have an enviable net cash position of $48 million, giving IBEX the flexibility to constructively use and make targeted investments for growth. In closing, the BPO industry is at an inflection point where the winners will transform their businesses into
spk03: higher
spk05: value solutions powered by AI. We believe we can be a long-term winner, leveraging our speed, flexibility, and tech-led DNA. Our early results are encouraging. My team and I remained ever focused on continued strengthening of the business and delivering value for our employees, clients, and shareholders. I will now turn the call over to Taylor to go through our financials.
spk07: Taylor?
spk14: Thank you, Bob, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining the call today. My discussions of our second quarter fiscal 2024 financial results references to revenue, net income, and net cash generated from operations are on a US GAAP basis, while adjusted net income, adjusted earnings per share, adjusted EBITDA, and free cash flow are on a non-GAAP basis. Reconciliation of our US GAAP to non-GAAP measures are included in the tables attached to our earnings press release. Our second quarter results were impacted by the software that anticipated contact volume in some of our embedded-based business, as well as the -over-year impact of the shifting mix from onshore to offshore delivery. These impacts, combined with a changing business environment for several of our fintech and telecommunications clients, resulted in revenue of $132.6 million, a .8% decline compared to $139.3 million in the quarter. Looking at revenue in total, revenue declines in the fintech and telecommunication verticals were partially offset by growth in our strategic health tech and retail and e-commerce verticals. Revenue mix continued to trend toward digital and omni-channel services and offshore geographies. Digital and omni-channel delivery now represents 79% of our total revenue versus 73% the second quarter of a year ago, while our offshore and nearshore revenues now comprise 77% of total revenue versus 73% in the prior year quarter. We expect that these mixed-shift trends will have a positive impact on margins over time. Another significant factor in -over-year revenue was the adverse impact of the recognition of training revenue associated with new client program ramps. In accordance with US GAAP, revenue associated with training, although billed at the beginning of a new program, is deferred and recognized over the expected life of the program. Deferred training revenue had a $2.3 million adverse impact to revenue when comparing our second quarter with the prior year. Deferred revenue that was recognized in the second quarter was $1.7 million lower than compared to the prior year quarter, while training revenue billed and deferred in the second quarter was $600,000 higher than the prior year quarter. This not only impacted revenue but also negatively impacted gross margin comparisons versus the prior year. Gross margin was .7% versus .4% in the prior year. Normalizing for this deferred training revenue impact, gross margin was up roughly 100 basis points from the prior year, reflecting improvement from our increasing offshore revenue mix. Net income was $6.1 million compared to $9.3 million in the prior year quarter. The decrease was primarily a result of the impact of deferred training revenue previously discussed, as well as our strategic investments in our technology, including HCM and ERP infrastructure, and our sales and marketing organizations. These investments are important pieces of our strategy to drive and support growth in our business. Our tax rate for the quarter was 17% compared to 18% last year. We expect the tax rate to remain in the high teens for the fiscal year. Fully diluted EPS was $0.33 compared to $0.49 in the prior year quarter. On a non-GAAP basis, adjusted net income was $8 million compared to $12.2 million in the prior year quarter. Non-GAAP, fully diluted, adjusted earnings per share were $0.44 compared to $0.65 in the prior year quarter. Adjusted EBITDA was $14.3 million or .8% of compared to $19.4 million or .9% of revenue for the same period last year. The change in adjusted EBITDA margin was primarily driven by the accounting for deferred training revenue, as well as investments in our technology, including HCM and ERP infrastructure, and our sales and marketing organizations in support of our strategic vertical growth strategy. For the second quarter of fiscal year 2024, our top five, top 10, and top 25 client concentrations remain largely flat at 41%, 59%, and 82% respectively of overall revenue, representative of a well-diversified client portfolio. Switching to our verticals, retail and e-commerce increased to .0% of second quarter revenue versus .9% in the prior year quarter. HealthTech increased to .2% of second quarter revenue versus .7% in the prior year quarter. And travel, transportation, and logistics increased to .5% of second quarter revenue versus .4% in the prior year quarter. Conversely, our exposure to the telecommunications vertical decreased to .8% of quarterly revenue versus .7% in the prior year quarter. Additionally, Fintech decreased to .7% of revenue for the quarter versus .2% in the prior year quarter. Impacted by the changing landscape for crypto and new economy investment platform clients. Net cash generated from operating activities was a negative 1.6 million for the quarter compared to a positive 5.3 million in the prior year quarter. For the first half of our fiscal year, operating cash flow was a positive 7 million versus 10.9 million. Our DSOs were 73 days, up from 67 days at the end of the first quarter and in line with industry average. Several larger client payments were received the first week of January and negatively impacted DSOs at the end of the second quarter. Capital expenditures were 2.9 million or .2% of revenue in the second quarter of fiscal year 2024 versus 7.9 million or .7% of revenue in the prior year quarter as we continue to utilize our available capacity from buildouts completed in previous years. Free cash flow decreased to a negative 4.5 million in the current quarter compared to a negative 2.7 million in the prior year quarter due to lower income from operations and higher DSOs. For the first half of our fiscal year, free cash flow was a positive 2.1 million versus a negative 700,000 in the prior year. We ended the second quarter with 49 million in cash, down from 57.4 million as of June 2023, driven by share repurchase during the quarter. Net cash was 48.0 million, down from 56.4 million as of June 2023. We continued with our share repurchase program announced on September 18, 2023, authorizing us to repurchase up to $30 million worth of shares. During the second quarter, we repurchased 489,000 shares for 8.4 million. For fiscal year to date through January 31, 2024, we've repurchased 740,000 shares for a total cost of 12.5 million. Looking forward to the remainder of 2024, we expect softness in some of our client volumes to continue for the near term and therefore expect third quarter revenues to trend similarly as the quarter. We remain confident that our strategy of driving growth in our higher margin offshore regions, accelerated by our new client wins and realizing cost savings through optimizing our site footprint will drive improvement in adjusted EBITDA margins for the second half of our fiscal year and in the years ahead. As a result of these factors, we are updating our full year guidance. On a full year basis, we expect revenues to be between $505 million and $510 million and adjusted EBITDA margin in the range of 12 to 13%. We feel strongly in our overall business fundamentals and the differentiated value proposition we bring our clients. We remain excited about our business and believe our recent client wins, strength of our pipeline and strategic investments will position us well as we move forward. With that, Bob and I will now take questions. Operator, please open the line.
spk08: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 1-1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 1-1 again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of David Koning from Baird.
spk13: Yeah, hey guys. Thanks for all the detail. Maybe first of all, the FinTech segment I was just looking at, it looked like it was down about 30% year over year. You talked a little bit about what happened there. That was really the entire decline of the total company is just that piece, really, and the rest seemed to do quite a bit better. Maybe just go through a little more what that was.
spk05: Sure, David. Thanks for joining. Thanks for that call, the question. In the FinTech side, we have had some crypto client as well as a new economy millennial trading app partner client. Both of those, their businesses have been impacted really with the economy, the crypto markets, etc. Those are down. On the other side of the equation, I would look and say that a lot of the various verticals, there's winners, there's losers. When we talked about where the softness came in, it wasn't really, aside from that FinTech subset, there were winners, losers across the various verticals. We like that as an overall macro. It's like, look, one segment isn't, our biggest segments aren't really moving down. We have winners, losers around those. Some that are down, some that are deploying various call shedding solutions that are putting some pressure on various volumes.
spk13: Gotcha. That makes sense. Then the utilization was actually quite good, maybe one of the best you've ever had, but yet margins were a little weak. What's the dynamic there? I know it's going to get quite a bit better yet, but what's the dynamic there?
spk05: Yeah, great question. Let me start out with, and Taylor, if you feel like adding, feel free to do that. The biggest starts with the deferred training impact in the quarter. That took top line, but all the way down to the bottom line, 2.3 million. You know, so that was, if you look at then the margins on an EBITDA
spk04: basis,
spk05: certainly that had a large impact. What's interesting in what Taylor shared, if you normalize for that, our gross margins actually, they went up 100 basis points. Now that we're kind of, have that in our rearview mirror, some of those large ramps, that's why we feel like running where we are from the percentage of business in our offshore, our nearshore, and running at the high utilizations, we feel really confident about the margin strengthening significantly in the second half.
spk13: Yeah, I think that makes sense. Maybe just, if like, oh, Taylor's going to jump in.
spk14: Yeah,
spk00: sorry.
spk14: Yeah, I was just going to just confirm that the underlying gross margins we feel very good about, they remain healthy. As Bob said, they were up roughly 100 basis points when you adjust for the deferred training revenue. And then as we look forward, we see some new wins in the higher margin regions, which are going to help propel our margins. We have some specific site and region initiatives to drive the contribution margin in a couple of spots, and we're already starting to see those bear fruit. And then as Bob mentioned, we're going to continue to look at our footprints, and we see some opportunities there as well. So we feel good about where our margins are and where they're going to hit.
spk13: Yeah, that's great. And if I can just sneak one more, can you explain one more time, I heard you say 1.7 million lower training revenue,
spk12: and then
spk13: a $600,000 cost, that added up to 2.3. Why did the training revenue go down so much year over year when it should just be kind of a ratable recognition?
spk14: So the way the accounting works, when train revenues bill, it's bill at the beginning of a program, but it's recognized over the life of the program. So if you look at last year versus this year, the way the amortization or the deferred revenue recognition schedule worked out, we recognized about 1.7 million of that revenue that has no cash associated with it. The cash is all received up front. And then this year, because we're wanting new logos recently or actively ramping some new programs, we deferred an additional $600,000 versus the prior year. So you have net those two together, and you can see the 2.3 million adverse impact to our financials. And I can also point you, if you look at our queue in Footnote 2, at the end of Footnote 2, there's a detailed schedule of our deferred revenue that helps provide some insight into that as well.
spk13: Awesome. Thanks so much for all that.
spk08: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Toby Salmon from Truist Securities.
spk10: Hey, thanks for taking my question. This is Jack Wilson on for Toby. So just to follow up on that margin question, do we expect to see any cadence for the margin through the remainder of the year? Do we expect that to ramp up, or is it going to be a little more varied?
spk14: No, I think I would expect to see some ramp up. We'll see some notable improvement in Q3. And if you look at our first half of the year, our margins, EBITDA margins came in around 11%. And we said for the year, we expect them to be 12 to 13%, which implies a margin in the back half of the year, for the back half to be between 13 and 15%. And I would expect that to ramp up a bit between those two quarters.
spk10: Okay, thanks for that. And then sort of a follow up on the utilization as well. So once the full shift to more offshore is complete, is that 91% utilization sort of sustainable or is this sort of a, I don't know, part of that ramp or high point?
spk05: That's a great question, Jack. And how I look at it is, especially with seasonality that we have, which is typically our Q2, you know, that kind of flexes up into the 90s. That's a good metric for us. And so, you know, but I would say that running in the, you know, in the 90 pluses is not really that sustainable. Our goal is probably in the 85% range. That's a good range, you know, so somewhere between 75 to 85 are the guardrails that we run at. And, you know, what we're excited about this year is as we have some of the seasonality ramps, you know, that kind of dissipate, this new logo engine is really picking up a lot of pace and the ramps that we are currently underway are, you know, are filling up. And, you know, so we feel that that will, and the lion's share of that sitting in the, let's say offshore and near shore markets. So we think that that's going to continue to layer, you know, layer in those markets, strengthening utilizations in those, keeping it pretty high, which then we should be generating some pretty good gross margins in those regions in the back out.
spk10: Oh, that makes sense. And then just one last one for me. So when you're talking with clients about AI, is that something you're pitching to them and sort of using it as a differentiator, or is that something they're asking you about and sort of asking, asking for?
spk05: Oh, great. Boy, that's a fantastic question. And I would say that you have, you know, engagements that cover both as you described, you know, some clients are, you know, are looking at us and saying, hey, you know, what are you seeing out there in the marketplace? What have you solved, etc. And in that scenario, we'll come in and say, look, we, you know, we've built the solution, we've built,
spk19: you know, a
spk05: smart IVR solution, or a voice, you know, a voice bot type solution. These things have impacted, you know, call volumes, driven CSAT up, you know, things like that, where we're proactively selling what we've already built and serviced. And those, you know, and those give us a lot of credibility in this space, you know, as BPOs really start moving. Other clients, though, are sitting and saying, hey, you know, we're kind of trying to whiteboard here, you know, and engaging us more in a consultative approach, where we're trying to figure out what the right strategy is for them and maybe not have a, you know, kind of a cam solution pack. So, they're spanning, I think, both areas. Most importantly, though, is clients are looking at BPO partners that are strong in both. And so, you really have to win the day, you know, not just as a great BPO in a market like the Philippines, but you have to also be able to check the box and say, look, we have that ability,
spk04: we have the development
spk05: and the experience to develop an AI solution. And we're winning in that against, I'll tell you, the much bigger players. And so, you know, kind of leveraging our speed, our focus, and just really, you know, the strength of us as a tech-led company. And so, I really like our position as the clients are looking for both out of a BPO partner. And, you know, so, hence, you know, we have a, you know, a pipeline that's building that we feel pretty good about and getting a lot of traction inside our embedded base, too.
spk09: Thank you so much for that added color there. I'll turn it over. Thank you.
spk08: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 1-1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 1-1 again. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Potter from Citi.
spk21: Hey, thanks for taking my question. Why don't we start on the volume softness that you mentioned you saw in the quarter and you expect to continue in 3Q. I know you already talked about the Defintech vertical and the impact you're seeing there, but I guess what
spk15: other
spk21: factors would do attribute this softness and volumes to? Is it mostly coming from macro-related factors or is some impact from technology factors already showing up like AI impacts and stuff like that? Also, volume softness concentrated in any other verticals to call out beyond Defintech?
spk05: Sure. So, probably the first place, and Ryan, thanks for the question and also thanks for joining and all. The logistics part of our transportation vertical, you know, the clients that we serve there, package delivery is down pretty sizably and you can
spk20: read
spk05: across really all the logistics players, front page Wall Street Journal articles, etc. So, that's an example where you would say a sub-segment might be impacted. But flipping it over to, let's say, in our world of retail and e-commerce and we service several of the largest players in those areas, you have some strength that's going in there and we're excited about that. The downturn though in those select clients for us is a little bit more than historical. And so, when I look at those, I would say I would attribute it mostly to their volumes aren't down. It's not really driven by kind of AI technologies just taking a swath of volume out of the equation. Now, what we are seeing though is in the world of clients looking at AI, they are identifying areas of their business and engaging us to help solve where AI can take volume out. And here's what I would say kind of the way we think about it is in their world of digital transformation, trying to take a classic voice call and try to drive that to digital self-serve, kind of AI assisted or AI entirely solved. And so, those are out there. We're engaging with some clients to solve that. That will take some volume out of the equation, but more importantly from an IBEX standpoint is I think that plays into our strength. Eighty percent of our business today is non-voice as we've talked about. It's very heavy digital first. It plays into the strength of our Wave IX solutions. And so, I think in spite of that, we think our strategy and our wins will help offset some of that downturn. Now, our strategy, and we've seen these dimensions kind of occurring for several quarters, I think it hit us last of all the BPOs because most of my peers have been under a lot of pressure for a while. For us, it's been the last two quarters. Now, we've been investing into our sales engine to try to outrun this. And I think we're building a business, and this is what I'm probably most excited about. I think that we're building a business in spite of these elements that we have the ability with how we're winning, how that pipeline is really heating up and we're taking on and our win rates are through the roof. I feel like we can outrun that. And as we look at our business, I think the reflection point for us is in Q4.
spk07: Got it. That all makes sense.
spk21: And tagging on that last part of it, it was good to see the salesmen momentum continue in the quarter from what you did in 1Q and the early part of 2Q. Is there any additional color you can give on those new deals in the quarter and how quickly you think they can ramp? Do they have the potential to become top clients for you? And I guess how much of this would you attribute to AI or having the capacity offshore to help with new deals?
spk05: Sure. So both of our largest wins that we're really, really excited about, that we went against the biggest of the biggest. Let me give you two dynamics. One was in our near shore region in Jamaica, which we're thinking confident that we're already expanding into Nicaragua with them. The other is in the Philippines, in the provincial play in our Philippines. So we're winning across both theaters. Now my team has done win reviews with both clients and the win review had a very common theme. You guys were completely leaned in from me, the CEO, to my ELT team, and then to my entire kind of support function teams that include our training heads, our workforce heads, and our heads of recruiting and development. That's how we run our business. That's how we win is fully leaned in. I candidly believe that the reason we're, you know, starts with that. And many of our bigger players are maybe not quite focused on that part of their business as they're, you know, deep into integrations and energies. Secondly, aside from that is they really look at the market and then who's the best in the market. And so that's why I highlight what I'm so encouraged about is winning in nearshore and winning in, you know, in the Philippines against these because it's a testimony to, you know, not just IBEX, but IBEX in the markets that we operate. We have a, you know, a best of three solution there and that's showing. And then the last leg of that, so those are part of winning the day as a BPO. And then the last leg is when we engage and talk about AI solutions. We're not talking slideware. We're talking real, you know, real solutions that we've been delivering that they look and say, wow, you know, those are credible solutions. Those are the types of things we want. We're hearing from your competitors slideware and put those all together puts us in a great position. Got it. And I could sneak one
spk21: last one in. You mentioned Wave IX and I think you guys announced that a week or two ago. So it might be early, but any initial client feedback to the new offering capabilities and how is this differentiated versus what's already out there in the marketplace?
spk05: Sure. So we've, you know, our Wave IX is really a packaging of really the solutions that we've been out selling and engaging for the last, you know, kind of nine months, but we've been, you know, we kind of shared this as we are developing AI around, you know, the three axis, axis A around agents, axis B around deep analytics and axis C around the customer interaction. And, you know, we've been out selling that now, you know, with this, we've kind of put that all together under an architecture and, you know, just kind of have that,
spk02: you know, and
spk05: then the various solutions underneath that. Now, where we've come a long way is developing the, what I would say is the solutions and then the partner network, the AI, you know, kind of third party partner network that we have under there that we're bringing, you know, those solutions almost as an integrator. And, you know, those are, the clients are really liking the way that we're thinking about what those engagements and what those partners are. And, you know, they see them kind of as meaningful. Great. Thanks again.
spk08: Thank you. Thank you. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Bob Dickent, CEO for closing remarks.
spk05: Great. Thank you, operator. Look, I think, you know, appreciate everybody joining here. Really proud of what my team continues to do. This business is positioned really strongly for the second half and beyond. And I think this industry is at an inflection point, as I said, and I think we're in a great position to be a winner and a leader in the, you know, kind of in this, where the industry is moving to. So thanks all for your confidence and trust in ibex. Have a good day.
spk08: Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
spk01: Thank you.
spk08: Thank you. Welcome to the ibex second quarter full year 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 1-1 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 1-1 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. To note, there is an accompanying earnings deck presentation available on the ibex investor relations website at .ibex.co. I will now turn this conference over to Mr. Michael Darwall, investor relations of ibex.
spk07: Good afternoon, and thank you for joining us today.
spk11: Before we begin, I want to remind you that matters discussed on today's call may include forward-looking statements related to our operating performance, financial goals, and business outlook, which are based on management's current beliefs and assumptions. Please note that these forward-looking statements reflect our opinion as of the date of this call, and we undertake no obligation to revise this information as a result of new developments which may occur. Forward-looking statements are subject to various risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from those expected and described today. For a more detailed description of our risk factors, please review our annual report on Form 10-K filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission on September 13, 2023. As a reminder, as of July 1, 2023, we became a domestic filer and as such are now reporting on a U.S. GAAP basis rather than from the previous IFRS standard. With that, I will now turn the call over to ibex CEO Bob Dechan.
spk05: Thank you, Mike. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you all for joining us today as we share our second quarter fiscal 2024 results. Over the course of the last 12 months, we have made strategic investments into our building blocks for our next phase of growth, efforts which are now coming to fruition in terms of size, speed, and quality of our new logo pipeline and wins. I'm very excited to report we had eight new client wins in the quarter, totaling 12 for the first half of FY24 as compared to seven for first half of FY23. This tracks similarly to the velocity of our new client wins we had in FY22, our banner year for new logos. These wins include several high-profile deals with Fortune 50 and Fortune 500 clients, opportunities we won -to-head against our -billion-dollar competitors. Beyond this, we have continued to have success with exciting new economy brands. These wins span our strategic verticals of health tech and retail and e-commerce and AI technology. Stepping back and looking at these deals and our key pipeline opportunities, I am seeing that AI capabilities are playing a key role in client decision-making as they look for BPO partners who can not only deliver great contact center services but also rapidly deploy disruptive AI-based solutions. Our recent accomplishments highlight our ability to succeed on both fronts and positions as well as we move forward. This momentum is continuing into our second half with wins and great opportunities with premier brands in Q3. Although our new logo engine continues to build strength for future growth, the combination of softer volumes with several embedded-based clients and the transition of significant client volume from our onshore to offshore regions led to lower top line revenue in the quarter. Revenues came in at $132.6 million, down .8% from prior year. The impact of this coupled with planned investments in three key areas, including our sales organization, our AI initiative, and our integrated HCM ERP systems resulted in a decline in adjusted EBITDA to $14.3 million from $19.4 million in Q2 FY23. Additionally, we had a $2.3 million adverse impact associated with the recognition of deferred training revenue to both top and bottom line results when comparing to prior year quarter. As previously noted, when we are going through significant ramps for new wins, we defer training revenues associated with those ramps over the term of the program while recognizing the full training costs in the current period. While new client wins and ramps have a long-term positive impact for the business, the initial launches have a short-term negative impact. IBEX continues to optimize its footprint and capacity utilization through a combination of shifting volume mix toward our offshore geographies, as well as right-sizing our onshore and nearshore footprints. Since the start of the fiscal year, capacity utilization has increased in each of our regions driven by the combination of shifting mix and the site rationalizations we undertook in the second half of fiscal year 2023. We exited December at 91% utilization of our seat capacity globally, including work at home, up from 77% as of June 2023. Our onshore delivery now represents less than 23% of revenue versus 27% same quarter a year ago. And our offshore markets now make up nearly 50% versus less than 43% a year ago. It is these shifts that give us confidence in our expectations for appreciable margin improvement starting in
spk07: Q3
spk05: FY24. I would like to spend a few minutes talking about our plan to accelerate our leadership position in deploying AI-based solutions. Recently, we announced the hiring of industry veteran Eric Garrow as our Senior Vice President of Digital Transformation. In his newly appointed role, Garrow will spearhead the strategy and execution of IBEX's digital transformation offering, aimed at reshaping customer and brand interactions through the seamless integration of cutting edge contact center solutions and AI-enabled technologies. This is one of the several strategic investments we continue to make in support of our three-axis strategy for deploying AI for our clients to improve performance, cost, and the customer experience. Last quarter, I discussed the disruptive solution we are deploying for smart IVRs, conversational chat, and voice bots for an important new client win. With Eric leading the charge, we have developed a robust pipeline across all three axes, and we continue to win new opportunities and deployments. As an example, we are implementing a solution for deep AI-driven analytics for a top healthcare company leveraging ANA AI. The goal is to redefine the patient experience by leveraging AI-powered quality and sentiment analysis of every interaction to rapidly identify drivers of dissatisfaction. AI technology also creates opportunities for us on the client front. We are very excited about a new client win with an AI wearables technology pioneer who has developed the first wearable device and software platform to build and harness the full power of AI. We are working shoulder to shoulder with our client to bring this product and service successfully to market and to define an amazing customer experience. It is these exciting wins that showcase our differentiation and our first mover position in AI. From a capital allocation standpoint, we continue to execute on our share buyback program, which we announced last September, driven by the current valuation and our confidence in the trajectory of IBEX. Since we announced the program, we have acquired more than 700,000 shares back. This continues to be an attractive and efficient use of our capital. We continue to evaluate new markets for expansion, whether organically or through acquisition. We have an enviable net cash position of $48 million, giving IBEX the flexibility to constructively use and make targeted investments for growth. In closing, the BPO industry is at an inflection point where the winners will transform their businesses into
spk03: higher
spk05: value solutions powered by AI. We believe we can be a long-term winner, leveraging our speed, flexibility, and tech-led DNA. Our early results are encouraging. My team and I remained ever focused on continued strengthening of the business and delivering value for our employees, clients, and shareholders. I will now turn the call over to Taylor to go through our financials.
spk07: Taylor?
spk14: Thank you, Bob, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining the call today. My discussions of our second quarter fiscal 2024 financial results, references to revenue, net income, and net cash generated from operations are on a U.S. GAAP basis, while adjusted net income, adjusted earnings per share, adjusted EBITDA, and free cash flow are on a non-GAAP basis. Reconciliation of our U.S. GAAP to non-GAAP measures are included in the tables attached to our earnings press release. Our second quarter results were impacted by softer than anticipated contact volume in some of our embedded-based business, as well as the -over-year impact of the shifting mix from onshore to offshore delivery. These impacts, combined with a changing business environment for several of our fintech and telecommunications clients, resulted in revenue of $132.6 million, a .8% decline compared to $139.3 million in the prior year quarter. Looking at revenue in total, revenue declines in the fintech and telecommunications verticals were partially offset by growth in our strategic health tech and retail and e-commerce verticals. Revenue mix continued to trend toward digital and omni-channel services and offshore geographies. Digital and omni-channel delivery now represents 79% of our total revenue versus 73% in the second quarter a year ago, while our offshore and nearshore revenues now comprise 77% of total revenue versus 73% in the prior year quarter. We expect that these mixed-shift trends will have a positive impact on margins over time. Another significant factor in -over-year revenue was the adverse impact of the recognition of training revenue associated with new client program ramps. In accordance with US GAAP, revenue associated with training, although billed at the beginning of a new program, is deferred and recognized over the expected life of the program. Deferred training revenue had a $2.3 million adverse impact to revenue when comparing our second quarter with the prior year. Deferred revenue that was recognized in the second quarter was $1.7 million lower than compared to the prior year quarter, while training revenue billed and recorded in the second quarter was $600,000 higher than the prior year quarter. This not only impacted revenue, but also negatively impacted gross margin comparisons versus the prior year. Gross margin was .7% versus .4% in the prior year. Normalizing for this deferred training revenue impact, gross margin was up roughly 100 basis points from the prior year, reflecting improvement from our increasing offshore revenue mix. Net income was $6.1 million compared to $9.3 million in the prior year quarter. The decrease was primarily a result of the impact of deferred training revenue previously discussed, as well as our strategic investments in our technology, including HCM and ERP infrastructure, and our sales and marketing organizations. These investments are important pieces of our strategy to drive and support growth in our business. Our tax rate for the quarter was 17% compared to 18% last year. We expect the tax rate to remain in the high teens for the fiscal year. Fully diluted EPS was $0.33 compared to $0.49 in the prior year quarter. On a non-GAAP basis, adjusted net income was $8 million compared to $12.2 million in the prior year quarter. Non-GAAP, fully diluted, adjusted earnings per share were $0.44 compared to $0.65 in the prior year quarter. Adjusted EBITDA was $14.3 million or .8% of revenue, compared to $19.4 million or .9% of revenue for the same period last year. The change in adjusted EBITDA margin was primarily driven by the accounting for deferred training revenue, as well as investments in our technology, including HCM and ERP infrastructure, and our sales and marketing organizations in support of our strategic vertical growth strategy. For the second quarter of fiscal year 2024, our top five, top 10, and top 25 client concentrations remain largely flat at 41%, 59%, and 82% respectively of overall revenue, representative of a well diversified client portfolio. Switching to our verticals, retail and e-commerce increased to .0% of second quarter revenue versus .9% in the prior year quarter. HealthTech increased to .2% of second quarter revenue versus .7% in the prior year quarter. And travel, transportation, and logistics increased to .5% of second quarter revenue versus .4% in the prior year quarter. Conversely, our exposure to the telecommunications vertical decreased to .8% of quarterly revenue versus .7% in the prior year quarter. Additionally, FinTech decreased to .7% of revenue for the quarter versus .2% the prior year quarter, impacted by the changing landscape for crypto and new economy investment platform clients. Net cash generated from operating activities was a negative 1.6 million for the quarter compared to a positive 5.3 million in the prior year quarter. For the first half of our fiscal year, operating cash flow was a positive 7 million versus 10.9 million. Our DSOs were 73 days, up from 67 days at the end of the first quarter, and in line with the industry average. Several larger client payments were received the first week of January and negatively impacted DSOs at the end of the second quarter. Capital expenditures were 2.9 million or .2% of revenue in the second quarter of fiscal year 2024 versus 7.9 million or .7% of revenue in the prior year quarter, as we continue to utilize our available capacity from the previous year. Free cash flow decreased to a negative 4.5 million in the current quarter compared to a negative 2.7 million in the prior year quarter due to lower income from operations and higher DSOs. For the first half of our fiscal year, free cash flow was a positive 2.1 million versus a negative 700,000 in the prior year. We ended the second quarter with 49 million in cash, down from 57.4 million as of June 2023, driven by share repurchases during the quarter. Net cash was 48.0 million, down from 56.4 million as of June 2023. We continued with our share repurchase program announced on September 18, 2023, authorizing us to repurchase up to $30 million worth of shares. During the second quarter, we repurchased 489,000 shares for 8.4 million. For fiscal year to date, through January 31, 2024, we've repurchased 740,000 shares for a total cost of 12.5 million. Looking forward to the remainder of 2024, we expect softness in some of our client volumes to continue for the near term and therefore expect third quarter revenues to trend similarly as the first two quarters on a -over-year basis. As our new client ramps reach scale in the fourth quarter, we anticipate an inflection towards growth. We remain confident that our strategy of driving growth in our higher margin offshore regions, accelerated by our new client wins and realizing cost savings through optimizing our site footprint, will drive improvement in adjusted EBITDA margins for the second half of our fiscal year and in the years ahead. As a result of these factors, we are updating our full-year guidance. On a full-year basis, we expect revenues to be between $505 million and $510 million and adjusted EBITDA margin in the range of 12 to 13%. We feel strongly in our overall business fundamentals and the differentiated value proposition we bring our clients. We remain excited about our business and believe our recent client wins, strength of our pipeline and strategic investments will position us as a moving forward. With that, Bob and I will now take questions. Operator, please open the line.
spk08: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 1-1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 1-1 again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of David Koning from Baird.
spk13: Yeah, hey guys. Thanks for all the details. Maybe first of all, the FinTech segment I was just looking at, it looked like it was down about 30% year over year. You talked a little bit about what happened there. That was really the entire decline of the total company, just that piece really. The rest seemed to do quite a bit better. Maybe just go through a little more of what that was.
spk05: Sure, David. Thanks for joining. Thanks for the question. In the FinTech side, we have had some crypto client as well as a new economy millennial trading app partner client. Both of those businesses have been impacted really with the economy, the crypto markets, etc. Those are down. On the other side of the equation, I would look and say that a lot of the various verticals, there's winners, there's losers. When we talked about where the softness came in, wasn't really, aside from that FinTech subset, there were winners, losers across the various verticals. We like that as an overall macro. It's like, look, one segment isn't, our biggest segments aren't really moving down. We have winners, losers around those. Some that are down, some that are deploying various call shedding solutions that are putting some pressure on various volumes.
spk13: Gotcha. That makes sense. Then the utilization was actually quite good, maybe one of the best you've ever had, but yet margins were a little weak. What's the dynamic there? I know it's going to get quite a bit better yet, but what's the dynamic there?
spk05: Great question. Let me start out with, and Taylor, if you feel like adding, feel free to do that. The biggest starts with the deferred training impact in the quarter. That took top line, but all the way down to the bottom line, 2.3 million. If you look at the margins on an EBITDA basis, certainly that had a large impact. What's interesting in what Taylor shared, if you normalize for that, our gross margins actually, they went up 100 basis points. Now that we have that in our rear view mirror, some of those large ramps, that's why we feel like running where we are from the percentage of business in our offshore, our nearshore, and running at the high utilizations, we feel really confident about the margin strengthening significantly in the second half.
spk13: That makes sense. Maybe just if I, oh, Taylor's
spk14: going to jump in. Yeah, sorry. I was just going to just confirm that the underlying gross margins, we feel very good about, they remain healthy. As Bob said, they were up roughly 100 basis points. We need to adjust for the deferred training revenue. Then as we look forward, we see some new wins in the higher margin regions, which are going to help propel our margins. We have some specific site and region initiatives to drive the contribution margin in a couple spots. We're already starting to see those bear fruit. Then as Bob mentioned, we're going to continue to look at our footprints, and we see some opportunities there as well. We feel good about where our margins are and where they're going to hit.
spk13: Yeah, that's great. If I can just sneak one more, and can you explain one more time, I heard you say 1.7 million lower training revenue and
spk12: then
spk13: a $600,000 cost, that added up to 2.3. Why did the training revenue go down so much year over year when it should just be kind of
spk14: you know, when train revenues bills, bill at the beginning of a program, but it's recognized over the life of the program. So if you look at last year versus this year, the way the amortization or the deferred revenue recognition schedules worked out, we recognized about 1.7 million of that revenue that has no cash associated with it. Cash is all received up front. Then this year, because we're once new logos recently are actively ramping some new programs, we deferred an additional $600,000 versus the prior year. So you kind of net those two together, and you can see the 2.3 million adverse impact to our financials. I can also point you, if you look at our queue in footnote two, at the end of footnote two, there's a detailed schedule of our deferred revenue that helps provide some insight into that as well.
spk13: Awesome. Thanks so much for all that.
spk08: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Toby Salmon from Truist Securities.
spk10: Yeah, hey, thanks for taking my question. This is Jack Wilson on for Toby. So that's sort of just a follow up on that margin question. Do we expect to see sort of any cadence for the margin through the remainder of the year? Do we expect that to sort of ramp up, or is it going to be a little more varied?
spk14: No, I think I would expect to see some ramp up. We'll see some notable improvement in Q3. And if you look at our first half of the year, our margins, you know, EBITDA margins came in around 11 percent. And we said for the year, we expect them to be 12 to 13 percent, which implies a margin in the back half of the year, for the back half to be between 13 and 15 percent. And I would expect that to ramp up a bit between those two quarters.
spk10: Okay, thanks for that. Then sort of a follow up on the utilization as well. So once the full shift to more offshore is that 91 percent utilization sort of sustainable or is this sort of a, I don't know, part of that ramp or high point?
spk05: That's a great question, Jack. And how I look at it is, especially with seasonality that we have, which is typically our Q2, you know, that kind of flexes up into the 90s. That's a good metric for us. And so, you know, but I would say that running in the 90 pluses is not really that sustainable. Our goal is probably in the 85 percent range. That's a good range, you know, so somewhere between 75 to 85 are the guardrails that we run, you know, that we run at. And, you know, what we're excited about this year is as we have some of the seasonality ramps, you know, that kind of dissipate, this new logo engine is really picking up a lot of pace. And the ramps that we are currently underway are, you know, are filling up. And, you know, so we feel that that will, and the lion's share of that sitting in the, let's say, offshore and near shore markets. So we think that that's going to continue to layer, you know, layer in those markets, strengthening utilizations in those, keeping it pretty high, which then we should be generating some pretty good gross margins in those regions in the back out.
spk10: Oh, that makes sense. And then just one last one for me. So when you're talking with clients about AI, is that something you're pitching to them and sort of using it as a differentiator or is that something they're asking you about and sort of asking, asking for?
spk05: Great. Boy, that's a fantastic question. And I say that you have, you know, engagements that cover both as you described. You know, some clients are, you know, are looking at us and saying, Hey, you know, what are you seeing out there in the marketplace? What have you solved, etc. And in that scenario, we'll come in and say, look, we, you know, we've built the solution, we've built,
spk19: you know, a
spk05: smart IVR solution or a voice, you know, a voice bot type solution. These things have impacted, you know, call volumes, driven CSAT up, you know, things like that, we're proactively selling what we've already built and serviced. And those, you know, and those give us a lot of credibility in this space, you know, as BPOs really start moving. Other clients, though, are sitting and saying, Hey, you know, we're kind of trying to whiteboard here, you know, and engaging us more in a consultative approach, where we're trying to figure out what the right strategy is for them and maybe not have a, you know, kind of a canned solution pack. So, so they're spanning, I think, both, both areas. More, most importantly, though, is clients are looking at BPO partners that are strong in both. And so you really have to win the day, you know, not just as a great BPO in a market like the Philippines, but you have to also be able to check the box and say, Look, we have that ability,
spk04: we have the development
spk05: and the experience to develop an AI solution. And we're winning in that against, I'll tell you, the much bigger players. And so, you know, kind of leveraging our speed, our focus, and just really, you know, the strength of us as a tech led company. And so I really like our position, as the clients are looking for both out of a BPO partner. And, you know, so hence, you know, we have a, you know, a pipeline that's that's building that we pretty good about and getting a lot of traction inside our embedded base too.
spk09: Thanks so much for that, that ad color there. I'll turn it over. Thank you.
spk08: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. One moment for next question. Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Potter from city.
spk21: Hey, thanks for taking my question. Why don't start on the volume softness that you mentioned you saw in the quarter and you expect to continue in three q.
spk15: I know you talked
spk21: about the different tech vertical and that in fact, you're seeing there but what other factors would you attribute this softness and volumes to? Is it mostly coming from macro related factors or is there some impact from technology factors already showing up like AI impacts and stuff like that? Also volume softness concentrated in any other verticals to call out beyond in tech?
spk05: Sure. So I probably the first place and Ryan, thanks for the question and also thanks for joining and all the the logistics part of our transportation vertical, the clients that we serve there, package deliveries down pretty sizably and you can read
spk20: across
spk05: really all the logistics players, front page Wall Street Journal articles, etc. So that's an example where you would say a sub-segment might be impacted but flipping it over to let's say in our world of retail and e-commerce and we service several of the largest players in those areas, you have some strength that's going in there and we're excited about that. The downturn though in those select clients for us is a little more than historical and so when I look at those I would say I would attribute it mostly to their volumes are down. It's not really driven by kind of AI technologies just taking a swap of volume out of the equation. Now what we are seeing though is in the world of clients looking at AI, they are identifying areas of their business and engaging us to help solve where AI can take volume out and here's what I would say kind of the way we think about it is in their world of digital transformation trying to take a classic voice call and try to drive that to digital self-serve kind of AI assisted or AI entirely solved. And so those are out there. We're engaging with some clients to solve that. That will take some volume out of the equation but more importantly from an IBEX standpoint is I think that plays into our strength. 80% of our business today is non-voice as we've talked about. It's very heavy digital first. It plays into the strength of our wave IX solutions and so I think in spite of that we think our strategy and our wins will help offset some of that downturn. Now our strategy and we've seen these dimensions kind of occurring for several quarters. I think it hit us last of all the BPOs because most of my peers have been under a lot of pressure for a while. For us it's been the last two quarters. Now we've been investing into our sales engine to try to outrun this and I think we're building a business and this is what I'm probably most excited about. I think that we're building a business in spite of these elements that we have the ability with how we're winning, how that pipeline is really heating up and we're taking on and our win rates are through the roof. I feel like we can outrun that and as we look at our business I think the inflection point for us is in Q4.
spk07: Good. That all makes sense and
spk21: tagging on that last part of it, it was good to see the sales momentum continuing in the quarter from what you did in one queue and the early part of two queue. Is there any additional color you can give on those new deals in the quarter and how quickly you think they can ramp? Do they have the potential to become top clients for you and I or having the capacity offshore to help with new deals?
spk05: Sure. Both of our largest wins that we're really, really excited about, that we went against the biggest of the biggest. Let me give you two dynamics. One was in our nearshore region in Jamaica which we're thinking confident that we're already expanding into Nicaragua with them. The other is in the Philippines in the provincial play in our Philippines. So we're winning across both theaters. Now my team has done win reviews with both clients and the win review had a very common theme. You guys were completely leaned in from me, the CEO, to my ELT team and then to my entire support function teams that include our training heads, our workforce heads, and our heads of recruiting and development. That's how we run our business. That's how we is fully leaned in. I candidly believe that the reason we're, you know, starts with that. And many of our bigger players are maybe not quite focused on that part of their business as they're, you know, deep into integrations and synergies. Secondly, aside from that is they really look at the market and then who's the best in the market. And so that's why I highlight what I'm so encouraged about is winning in nearshore and winning in the Philippines against these because it's a testimony to, you know, not just IBEX but IBEX in the markets that we operate. We have a, you know, a best of breed solution there and that's showing. And then the last leg of that, so those are part of winning the day as a BPO. And then the last leg is when we engage and talk about AI solutions. We're not talking slideware. We're talking real, you know, real solutions that we've been delivering that they look and say, wow, you know, those are credible solutions. Those are the types of things we want. We're hearing from your competitors slideware and put those all together, it puts us in a great position. Got it. If I could sneak one last
spk21: one in, you mentioned
spk05: Wave
spk21: IX and I think you guys announced that a week or two ago. So it might be early but any initial client feedback to the new offering capabilities and how is this differentiated versus what's already out there in the marketplace?
spk05: Sure. So we've, you know, our Wave IX is really a packaging of really the solutions that we've been out selling and engaging for the last, you know, kind of nine months. But we've been, you know, we kind of shared this as we are developing AI around, you know, the three axis, axis A around agents, axis B around deep analytics and axis C around the customer interaction. And, you know, we've been out selling that now, you know, with this, we've kind of put that all together under an architecture and, you know, just kind of have that,
spk02: you know, and
spk05: then the various solutions underneath that. Now, where we've come a long way is developing the, what I would say is the solutions and then the partner network, the AI, you know, kind of third party partner network that we have under there that we're bringing, you know, those solutions almost as an integrator. And, you know, those are, the clients are really liking the way that we're thinking about what those engagements and what those partners are. And, you know, they see them kind of as meaningful.
spk07: Great. Thanks again.
spk08: Thank you. Thank you. I would now like to turn the conference back over to Bob Dickent, CEO, for closing remarks.
spk05: Great. Thank you, operator. Look, I think, you know, appreciate everybody joining here. Really proud of what my team continues to do. This business is positioned really strongly for, for the second half and beyond. And I think this industry is at an inflection point as I said, and I think we're in a great position to be a winner and a leader in the, you know, kind of in this, where the industry is moving to. So thanks all for your confidence and, and trust in ibex. Have a good day.
spk08: Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
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