Keurig Dr Pepper Inc.

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Keurig Dr. Pepper's earnings call for the third quarter of 2020. This conference call is being recorded and there will be a question and answer session at the end of the call. I will now like to introduce Dr. Pepper's Vice President of Investor Relations, Mr. Tyson Seely. Mr. Seely, please go ahead.

Thank you, and hello, everyone. Thanks for joining us. Earlier this morning, we issued our press release for the third quarter of 2020. If you need a copy, you can get one on our website at KeurigDrPepper.com in the Investors section. Consistent with previous quarters, today we will be discussing our performance on an adjusted basis excluding items affecting comparability. The company believes that the adjusted basis provides investors with additional insight into our business and operating performance trends. While the exclusion of items affecting comparability is not in accordance with GAP, we believe that the adjusted pro forma basis provides meaningful comparisons and an appropriate basis for discussion of our performance. Details of the excluded items are included in the reconciliation tables included in our press release and our 10Q, which will be filed later today. Due to the inability to predict the amount and timing of certain impacts outside of the company's control, we do not reconcile our guidance. Here it is me virtually today to discuss our third quarter 2020 results, our KDP chairman and CEO, Bob Diengort, our CFO, Ozan Dakhmasiloglu, and our Chief Corporate Affairs Officer, Maria Schepard-Gercio. And finally, our discussion this morning may include forward-looking statements which are subject to the Safe Harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. And the company undertakes no obligation to update these statements based upon subsequent events. A detailed discussion of these risks and uncertainties is contained in the company's files with the SEC. With that, I'll hand it over to Bob.

Thanks, Tyson, and good morning, everyone. I hope everyone participating on this call continues to be well. In the last few months have been extremely volatile given the COVID crisis. While consumer mobility has increased and the economy has opened up somewhat, the coming months are likely to remain unpredictable as rates of infection in North America appear to be on the rise. As we'll discuss today, KDP continues to navigate well through the pandemic by anticipating and adjusting to trends in consumer behavior, driving brands, categories and channels with growth potential in order to offset other areas that are challenged. As we've said over the past seven months, the pandemic does not represent a short-term windfall for us. Instead, this is a -to-day mixed management effort across both channels and products, which is enabled by the flexibility of our business model and the outstanding executional capabilities of our team. We monitor consumer mobility trends on a near daily basis to adjust our product mix, channel focus and production planning, and continue to view this metric as a reliable leading indicator for running our business. Most of all, we continue to be thankful to our team members who have driven the results we reported today and the work our organization has done to give back to our communities when they are in need. Ozone will take you through the specifics of our third quarter results in a few minutes. However, I will tell you that in summary, they were outstanding. Nearly 6% revenue growth, 16% adjusted operating income growth, and 22% adjusted diluted EPS growth with continued deleveraging. We gained market share of total liquid refreshment beverages in over 90% of our retail base, driven by gains in the majority of category segments in which we compete. With a number of highlights worth mentioning, such as the 1.4 SharePoint increase in CSDs driven by growth in the great majority of our CSD brands, strength in the Snapple brand, which delivered a 1.5 SharePoint increase in -to-drink tea and nearly a 1 SharePoint increase in juice drinks, and Core being the fastest growing premium water brand over the quarter. Our beverage concentrate segments saw substantial -over-quarter improvement as restaurants experienced improved traffic. In single-serve coffee, we delivered 10% growth in at-home consumption, driven by increases in both household penetration and an elevated attachment rate, which was partially upset during the quarter by our -from-home coffee business, which continues to be negatively impacted by persistently low -to-work trends in large offices, which is our area strength, and the timing of some partnershipments. In the fourth quarter, we expect total podshipments to return to their more normalized -to-high single-digit growth rates, despite our expectations that weakness in the -from-home channel will continue. Finally, the exceptional growth in brewer sales in advance of the fourth quarter speaks to the enthusiasm retailers have for Keurig in the holiday season, which is upcoming. So with one quarter to go, our guidance for this year remains intact. Now at the high end of what we said we would accomplish in 2020, which means that we continue to meet or exceed the long-term merger targets we communicated over two years ago. Before I turn it over to Ozon, I'd like to take a few minutes to put our quarterly results and several pieces of news that we communicated this week into a longer-term shift in strategic context, all supporting the evolution of KDP to a modern beverage company. We focus much of our past earnings call content on how we are expanding the consumer reach of our brand portfolio, which is a critical driver of long-term profitable growth. That conversation typically focuses on new brands and M&A, but it's very important to note that the broad share growth we've experienced on existing brands both before and during the pandemic has been driven by increased household penetration in both our hot and cold portfolios, which we expect will stick going forward. This is the result of impactful innovation and renovation as well as strong marketing programming that's attracting new consumers into our brands. Growth in existing brands provides the foundation upon which to add new ones. We continue to pursue opportunities to fill white space in our portfolio through national partnerships, such as our recent agreement with Polar, and smaller bets, such as investments that we made last year in A-Shock Energy Drink with Lance Collins, our recently announced Don't Quit Adult Nutrition Protein Drink with Jake Steinfeld, and our recent investment in Revive, a kombucha drink with Peet's Coffee. With regard to the Curate brand, we consistently expanded household penetration year in and out, and 2020 is turning out to be an especially strong year for system adoption. Rather than growing household penetration by 2 million households, which is consistent with our recent run rates, we now expect to add approximately 3 million new households in 2020. While attachment rates may move up and down and potentially back up again during another wave of the pandemic, converting new households into the Curate system represents a long-term annuity stream that endures well into the future. While portfolio expansion has taken center stage since the merger, we've also been building our unique and valuable distribution platforms, although we haven't discussed them until recently. On our last earnings call, we quantified how important e-commerce has become for us, representing more than 10% of total KDP sales and a larger portion of coffee sales. Yesterday, we announced news regarding our direct-store delivery system that is worth placing into a broader strategic context. Since our merger, we have invested in people, technology, and assets to improve the effectiveness of our DSD network. We've also focused on consolidating key independent distributor systems into our company-owned DSD operations, where territories overlap, in order to drive scale and efficiency. Yesterday, we jointly announced with the Honigmann companies an agreement to provide KDP with long-term sales and distribution for key brands, including Canada Dry, Sun Kiss, 7 Up, and A&W, across 18 counties in New York and New Jersey, reaching 17 million consumers. This follows a string of DSD territory moves and acquisitions across the country over the past two years, including California, New York, and the Midwest. To be clear, our objective is not to control every market with our trucks, but rather to ensure that each market in which we sell our brands has a competitive route to market, regardless of who owns the territory. For example, in late 2019, we partnered with Honigmann to facilitate their acquisition of a subscale independent distributor in Virginia. In Alabama, we agreed with our partner, Buffalo Rock, to allow our brands to ride on the same truck with competitive brands, in order to improve frequency and drop size across their system. Whether we operate our trucks in the market, or we partner with a local player of scale, every one of these moves ensures better reach in stocks and merchandising for our brand portfolio, which builds our platform for long-term growth. Our strong in-market performance this year demonstrates the value of these system improvements, and we believe we have significant opportunity remaining. Important to a modern beverage company is a strong sustainability culture and continuously pushing forward to new and more aspirational goals. Earlier this week, we announced that we have begun the transition of our Snapple and Core models to 100% recycled PET, or RPET, as it's commonly called. We will continue to expand RPET across our portfolio going forward. Finally, consistent with our goal to build KDP for the long term, we also announced changes earlier this week to our senior leadership team, designed to further improve speed to market and place decision making closer to our consumers and our customers. Two and a half years into our merger, and with the benefit of learning what has worked so well during the pandemic, this is a decision made from strength, and we're fortunate to have the talent on our leadership team to assume broader operating roles with increased levels of responsibility. Let me now hand it over to Ozan for more details on the quarter.

Thanks, Bob, and good morning, everyone. Continuing on an adjusted basis, I will briefly review our performance for the third quarter, which our test release discusses in significant detail. The third quarter was another good one for us. As Bob discussed, we believe that we struck the right balance of continuing to invest in areas such as innovation, technology, and sustainability that provide competitive advantage while continuing to deliver our financial commitments. Constant currency net sales increased 5.8%, with growth in three of our four segments, led by packaged beverages and coffee systems, combined with sequential improvement in beverage concentrates. On a constant currency basis, adjusted operating income increased .3% in the quarter, driven by strong revenue growth, productivity, and merger synergies, as well as a reduction in discretionary overhead expenses, including marketing. These drivers were partially offset by higher operating costs associated with increased consumer demand for our products and inflation in logistics. In the fourth quarter, free tax operating expenses directly related to COVID-19 totaled $49 million, and consistent with previous quarters, were recognized as items affecting comparability. These expenses consisted of temporary and unusual compensation increases and incentives for frontline employees, as well as incremental safety and sanitation expenses across our business. Adjusted diluted EPS advanced 22% in the quarter, fueled by the growth in adjusted operating income, lower interest expense as a result of continued leveraging, and a lower effective tax rate, turning toward segment performance for the quarter. In coffee systems, constant currency net sales growth of .2% was driven by strong volume mix growth of 6%, partial offset by lower net pricing of 2.8%. The volume mix performance reflected a 34% increase in brewer shipments, incremental net sales from McCafe, and higher shipments of K-Cup pots for at-home consumption. Significantly offsetting these growth drivers were the continued drop-off in the office coffee and hospitality businesses. While the segment's operating margin declined slightly in the quarter due to primarily to mix, which includes the stronger brewer performance, constant currency adjusted operating income increased .6% to $373 million. As mentioned on our second quarter call, we are excited about the upcoming launch of our first connected brewer. Demand for Keurig Brewers remains extremely strong heading into the holiday season, in part driven by our new K-Supreme platform. We have decided to wait until 2021 to launch the new connected brewer to enable us to focus our marketing efforts in the balance of year behind K-Supreme and our existing brewer line, given the unprecedented demand we are experiencing. In package beverages, constant currency net sales grew .7% due to strong volume mix growth of 11.4%, partial offset by slightly lower net pricing of 0.7%. This performance reflected strong growth in both our company-owned DSD and warehouse direct businesses. In the quarter, we grew both our carbonated and non-carbonated brand portfolios due to increased at-home consumption and continued market share growth resulting from strong in-market execution. This growth was partially offset by a decline in the convenience and gas channels, but the decline moderated as compared to the second quarter of this year as consumer mobility improved. Constant currency adjusted operating income increased .2% in the quarter to $304 million dollars, primarily reflecting the sales growth and discretionary spending reductions. As Bob mentioned earlier, we are thrilled with the agreement announced yesterday with Hunickman. This will drive significant value creation for KDP over time. The long currencies and distribution access for our key brands that we are gaining through this transaction is being done through a unique asset-like structure. Specifically, Hunickman is selling these rights to a third party funded by Prudential Capital and KDP enters into a simultaneous transaction with the third party to long-term access to the rights. There were various ways we could have a structural risk deal, including a straight up acquisition. Instead, we chose to use a third party and pay a small annual fee, giving that we already have a sales and distribution presence in the area and didn't need any of other assets from the transaction. The arrangement provides us with control of our brands for which we can maximize the economics and it will also provide scale to our existing brands currently being distributed in the area through our company-owned DSD network and dedicated independent operators. In beverage concentrates, we experience a meaningful sequential quarterly improvement. Specifically, Constant Canis in the States versus year ago declined a modest .2% versus the double digit decline during the height of the -in-place directives in quarter two. This modest decline in quarter three was due to lower volume mix of 4.8%, partial offset by higher net price realization of 2.6%. This sequential improvement reflected a moderating decline in the Fountain Food Service business. As consumer mobility increased and restaurant traffic picked up, constant currency adjusted operating income increased .6% in the quarter to $265 million, primarily reflecting lower discretionary spending. And finally, in Latin America beverages, Constant Canis in the States grew 0.7%, reflecting strong pricing of 5.2%, partial offset by lower volume mix of .5% due to limited consumer mobility in Mexico. Operating income was flat to the year ago period. On a constant currency basis, operating income increased 12% to $25 million in the quarter due to the strong net sales growth as well as continued productivity and lower marketing expense. The drivers were partially offset by the unfavorable impact of foreign currency transaction expense. While the current environment has proven the power of our brands, it has also made evident the importance of simplification. To meet heightened demand and drive efficiency, we have continued to focus our production and delivery on the highest priority brands and products with great success. Through this process, we have performed a detailed review of the offerings in our system to ensure we deliver on our customers' needs while also ensuring we are efficient. This will continue to be a focus of ours going forward. In terms of our ongoing productivity and merger synergies, we continue to focus and execute on these opportunities. We remain committed to delivering our value capture commitments through both productivity and merger synergies and fully expect to deliver our planned merger synergies of $600 million by the end of 2021. Now moving to cash flow and liquidity. Free cash flow in the quarter was again strong at $525 million and our -to-date free cash flow conversion rate was approximately 105%. In the quarter, we reduced bank debt by $225 million and structural payables by $21 million and we ended the quarter with over $190 million of unrestricted cash on hand. In terms of leverage, our bank debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio, which we refer to as our management leverage ratio, improved to 3.8 times compared to 4.8 times at the end of the first quarter of 2019. This improvement was driven by continued reductions in outstanding debt balances and continued growth in adjusted EBITDA. Since the merger closed, we have reduced our leverage ratio by over two full terms. Turning now to capex, we continue to support the business with necessary capex investment to drive future growth and efficiency. As we discussed last quarter, our new Spartanburg port production facility has been delayed approximately six months, resulting from equipment supplier delays and our new coal beverages production facility in Allentown is also delayed about three months for similar reasons. We have always expected both of these facilities to primarily be contributors to our business in 2021 and our expectations regarding these minor delays have not changed, which brings us to our guidance. We continue to have confidence in our ability to manage through what is likely to be a bumpy road in the balance of the year, much as we have done to date. Our outlook for the full year, adjusted diluted EPS growth remains unchanged at 13% to 15%. We stay very likely at the high end of this range. This outlook reflects our expectation for constant currency net sales growth at the high end of the range of three to four percent. Continued strong management of discretionary costs across the business while maintaining investment in innovation, technology and sustainability. Expected higher marketing investment in the fourth quarter of the relative to the third quarter, giving the expectation for an environment in which consumer receptivity to marketing and marketing return on investment continues to improve. It is important to note that we plan to reinvest any other delivery we may generate in the fourth quarter into incremental brand investment to further drive top line growth. While still delivering our adjusted EPS guidance for 2020. We also have confidence in our deleveraging targets and now expect our management leverage ratio to be in the middle of our 3.5 times to 3.8 times range at the end of the year. With that, let me now turn the call back to the operator for your questions.

At this time, if anybody has a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. Again, that would be star one on your telephone keypad. Your first question comes from Bonnie Herzog from Golden Saks. Your line is open.

My question this morning is I guess I wanted to drill down a little more on your brewer shipment volumes, which were obviously much better than anyone would have expected in the quarter. I was trying to understand how much of that will be reversed next quarter, essentially how much of your brewer volumes in Q3 really reflected a pull forward in demand from Q4. Bob, maybe you could touch on this, but for instance, are you already seeing a step down brewer orders during October versus the year ago period? Then in terms of innovation, you did call out that you're now shifting some of this to next year, but I just really wanted to verify that there are no plans for any more brewer innovation in 2020. Thank you.

Yeah. Good morning, Bonnie. First is on brewer shipments. As we've talked about over the past couple of years, brewer shipments, especially quarter to quarter, aren't a great measurement of what's going on with household penetration. What I would suggest is that every third quarter has shipments built into it that are for the holiday season. What you're seeing is a little bit of a pull forward this year, meaning some of those holiday shipments that would have gone in October, November are going into the third quarter because of the pandemic, retailers are trying to get ahead of everything. The most important thing to take away from that is the confidence that retailers have in Keurig for holiday gifting, in part driven by the innovation and the strong marketing support that we have in place and the feedback that we're getting on all of the brewers that we've introduced in the past year or so, but especially the K Supreme and the K Supreme Plus, which is really the featured item for this holiday, has them leaning forward and really in a position to push Keurig for the holidays. The single most important metric we gave you on this call though is our outlook on household penetration because as we said before, shipments can be up and down in a quarter. They're somewhat useful to look over a longer period of time, but the most important metric we talked about today was the fact that we believe that instead of our typical run rate of two million households being added into the Keurig system in the year, we expect that now to be three million. As we said before, attachment rates move up and down, shipments move from quarter to quarter. It's kind of interesting during the quarter, but it really doesn't mean much over the long haul, but an additional million households is something that stays in the system for a very long time. The question about the balance of the quarter and what we're seeing here, I think we're in a position where we've now given visibility on household penetration. We gave you an indication of how we see pod volume growth delivering in the fourth quarter, which shows that that is now smoothing out. We've also been really clear that our guidance is at the high end, our latest estimates are at the high end of our guidance for the year, and that we're going to reinvest everything else back into marketing and innovation. There's no new innovation being launched in the fourth quarter because we have a huge lineup on our cold side as well as our hot side that we're now implementing in the fourth quarter, but the investments that we can make to get a head start on 2021 are just, we think, are the right thing to do to ensure that we get off to a good start next year as well. Remember, we've committed to a three-year target of total shareholder return that goes all the way back to 2018 and ends in 2021. As we're confident in finishing off 2020 strong, we are shifting our sights to 2021 to make sure that's a good year as well. Thanks for those questions.

Thank you.

Your next question will come from Kevin Grundy from Jeffreys. Your line is open.

Thanks. Congrats on the quarter. I was hoping we could drill down a little bit on margins. Remarkably good for beverage concentrate and packaged beverages, both multi-year highs. Of course, I understand that synergy has contributed there. Can you talk about marketing levels in the quarter, how that stood year over year, and the other key drivers that drove the strong margin performance? And then longer term, you kind of touched on this a little bit, but the company's done a fantastic job in terms of synergy realization, which you'll complete by the end of next year. Maybe talk a little bit about productivity longer term, and if that's something you will kind of formalize and put out a new program at the appropriate time for the street. So thanks for that.

Sure. Good morning, Kevin. First of all, let me touch to two margin lines that we have. One is the gross margin. As we have just spoken on the call, there was a small 120-bit soft decline in our gross margin. Why this at the same time our OI margin has expanded 260 bits. So on the gross margin, why the third quarter was strong as we spoke with .8% constant currency net sales growth and 22% EPS growth? It was by no means an info for us, which requires extraordinary effort to deliver these results in the midst of the crisis. So the gross margin small decline is a due to a long and complex list of puts and takes, but clearly unfavorable mix was one of them, or the bigger piece, which included the brewers, given that brewers don't make much money, yet the volume was extraordinarily high. So we also had a little bit higher operating costs with the increased consumer demand in order to meet the increased consumer demand and some inflation that we have experienced in our logistics expenses. Yet, we also delivered a substantial reduction in our overhead base that includes overall sales, marketing, and general administrative overheads via a series of the base productivity programs and the mergers and mergers that came in in a very substantial manner that helped us to reduce our overall cost structure. In that SG&A number, we also include and categorize our advertisement and promotion investments. So whenever the return on investment in the advertisement and promotion didn't make sense, we also reduced that to spend due to the COVID-19 environment. So we see it's a combination of the factors and the things, and mostly on the positive side, helped us to drive and further expand our Y margin by 260 basis points, which is quite substantial. So only productivity. As we just spoke as well, we affirmed our Emergence Energy target of $600 million to be delivered by end of 2021, and we are exactly on that trajectory. We also have our base productivity programs that we have been running and executing very successfully. So the productivity programs and our laser focus and strong delivery have not changed, and we are seeing quite a lot of benefits of improving our margins as well as profitability in the third quarter as well. And as we spoke previously, our base productivity programs and synergies will continue into 2021. We have several programs still focusing on our manufacturing footprint, our logistics footprint, and including further improvement in our overall cost reductions. And we have several facilities that we have been building. For example, Spartanburg, the -the-art cake pot facility in South Carolina that will be operational mostly in 2021. And they will give us continued productivity as well as the volume that we need in coffee. And we are building the package beverage plant in Allentown that will contribute to our productivity programs, including at the end of the year, the beverage concentrate facility that we have been building in Ireland. Therefore, we are really pleased with all of our either base productivity or the merger synergy programs that have been working very nicely.

Hey, Kevin, just to add to that, I mean, you can tell from Ozon's answer here that we are very focused on making sure that we run a highly efficient business, and we have a lot of programming going on for that. You know, in terms of your question about beyond 2021, you know, our focus has been, first of all, navigating through this crisis, which continues. I don't want everyone to talk about it as if it's over because it's far from that. Delivering 2020, setting ourselves up for 2021 at the right time in 2021, we will have a conversation with you guys about what does the post 2021 world look like for KDP. And part of that will clearly be a strong productivity and efficiency program, which will take you through at that time.

That's right. Thanks for the call, guys. Good luck. All right.

Thanks.

Thanks. And your next question will come from Nicky and Nick Modi from RBC Capital Monthly. Your line is open.

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Just two quick questions, if I could, just on the Ozon, maybe on the COVID related costs. I'm just starting to think, and of course, you know, I'm not asking for 2021 guidance or anything, but just wanted to understand how much of what you've spent this year, what you expect to spend this year, do you think will be permanent? That's kind of the first question. And the second question, I guess, for you, Bob, is, you know, it's becoming increasingly clear, at least in this environment, and I suspect, you know, even as we move forward, that the purchase decision is going to increasingly migrate away from the traditional kind of brick and mortar and into the home, right? Whether it be e-commerce or people bringing more stuff at home because they're staying at home longer. I mean, that was certainly a trend we were even seeing before COVID started. So, you know, you at KDP have created a very advanced business model with go to market portfolio. And so I'm just trying to get a sense of how you're thinking of building on that competitive advantage as we move forward and what I would characterize as a more stay at home environment. Thanks.

Sure. Ozon, you want to kick this off? Yes.

Yes, I will. Good morning, Megan. Thanks for the question. First of all, let me give a little bit further context with regards to the COVID-19 expenses that we have been adding back. In fact, we have been consistently in Q1, Q2 as well as Q3. So the costs excluded from adjusted results are unique and temporary impacts resulting from the crisis. So they are not normal ongoing costs of business. This is consistent with our long-term long-standing treatment of the extraordinary and one-time costs here. And these costs are clearly not only defined as the significant expenses to provide temporary financial incentives to our frontline employees, which represented more than 80% of the costs that we have been adding back. And the balance for the extraordinary measures we undertook to protect employee health and safety, including enhanced benefits for the member families. So as you have noted, our run rate in Q3 was lower than Q2. And we do expect our quarter four run rate to be substantially lower than quarter three as well. Therefore, by nature of this, Megan, we never said these are sustained costs or increased cost base in our profit and loss statement. It is the contrary. And I think our quarterly trend is fully. And again, Q4, we expect to see a substantially lower number.

All right, Nick, with regard to your point about at home and how we're thinking about our portfolio and our go to market strategy on here, we reference mobility data and it's something that we look at very carefully and we get it down to a very granular level. But at the highest level, we think about people spending time at home, people spending time at work, and then other. And other is a whole host of recreation activities, et cetera. And we can get more more detail than that. We've really built a portfolio that has the optionality to drive that at home business. It's not like we are 100 percent at home business far from it. You see the negative impacts on our fountain and food service business. You see the negative impacts on our away from home business. So we keep saying it's not like this was a windfall for us, but we do have the options to pivot towards that change in consumer behavior and if it shifts to pivot back. And I would point out before I get in the coffee, which is an obvious answer, even on our cold portfolio, we have made significant shifts in where we focus our selling efforts and what we're selling and what you're seeing more is large outlets, planned purchase and stock ups are continuing to grow. Impulse, while improving sequentially, is still down versus where it was before. And we focus a lot of our effort on the cold side of our portfolio on multi-packs, take home packs, larger pack sizes, for example. And some of the growth that you're seeing even outside of our CSD business is because we've been able to shift over the past couple of months from businesses that were more heavily focused on single bottles into multi-packs and it's helping drive growth in our business. Obviously when I shift over to the coffee side, the Keurig system was designed for at home consumption and we said year in and year out that don't worry about attachment rate, all we're focused on is household penetration. What we're seeing improved in an attachment rate as people spend more time at home, but more importantly we're seeing an acceleration in household penetration and as I said a couple of times it's really a lasting benefit and that's as people think about their homes differently, both living at home as well as working from home, they're upgrading across the board and we're seeing a combination of new people coming into our system at a higher rate and we're also seeing upgrades in brewers of existing consumers and that may not drive growth in the short term, but it's a reconfirmation or a recommitment that they're in the system for the long term. The away from home business, which is offices, has been a negative and I want to offer two points of perspective. If you look at traffic in large offices it's down 60 percent, so we've never quantified the size of our away from home business, but even if it was very small a negative 60 trend on an even modest business has a major impact on us. Here's the call February and then it becomes actually a tailwind instead of a headwind, so the risk of that, which I know some people have focused on, is pretty well capped and we've already given you some visibility on the fourth quarter anyway and that really sets us up for strong at home. And then the last point I would make on your overall conclusion, which is 100 percent right about where consumers are going is our investment in e-comm and our capabilities in e-comm are paying off really well. When we launched this new company in 2018 and we talked about e-comm and the legacy caring business and how we could apply it across the portfolio, I think most people were skeptical at best about what would e-comm and beverage look like. Nobody's skeptical about it anymore and it's an area that we're really focused and if you saw the management changes that we made this week embedded in that at a level below that is also an increased focus and commitment to e-comm because we think that's really the future.

Very helpful guys, thank you.

All right Nick, thanks.

Thanks. Your next question will come from Peter Grom from JP Morgan. Your line is open.

I think there's kind of been a view in the investment community that this step up in households was going to quickly drive an acceleration in organic revenue growth and when I look at the -to-date performance in coffee, it's pretty similar last year and there seems to be kind of a disconnect between that and the penetration you mentioned. And I know you just mentioned that a lot of this is the result of a way from home business and that you will cycle that in February. So is that kind of the right time frame where we should think about this high penetration driving stronger organic revenue growth and coffee? And then how does the step up in households frame your view on what the business can grow longer term?

Yeah, I think the longer term view is always the best way to view this business. We talked about the year in and year out household penetration increases the system is seeing and there's been a lot of debate and a lot of analysis quarter by quarter and sometimes when you look at the IRI data month by month and it doesn't serve anybody really well but when you step back and look at it you see this nice steady increase. And one of the comments that we made on an investor conference that we attended fairly recently was we do expect household penetration to accelerate and that's why we quantified that for you today to give you some perspective. But you have to remember that we're operating off of an installed base of already 30 million households in the US and 3 million households in Canada. So even an additional million households which is significant growth and profit generator for the long term you're putting that on top of an installed base of 30 million and so it's such a solid business right now that it's not one that can be moved up or down quickly by any type of action but it just speaks to longer term potential. When we launched the business or the combined company in 2018 we put some information on our investor day that is 100% relevant today as it was then and that is we believe that household penetration for the curing system would go north of 50% over time. At the rate that we're growing that's 10 years out before we even have a conversation of what happens beyond 50%. So you're looking at 10 years of solid growth and all that disproves is that as people think about spending time at home they just step up their interest in the curing system, they increase household penetration and the dividends or the growth that you get of that plays out over the next couple of years. It's not an instant boost that you see. And then my last point is you can look at the IRI data and see that we have been growing at home consumption by north of 10% over the past six months or so. In the latest period it was plus 10% and that tells you what's going on in home. So if you look at that number and then you compare it to what you're seeing on some of the shipment numbers as we've been totally transparent that is 100% driven by an away from home business which is primarily large offices where we're seeing traffic attendance might be the better word in large offices down 60%. So again that's been a significant drain on us but there's a limit to that because soon as we start hitting the month of March and we go into April that becomes all opportunity and not risk and it's really that simple to explain the disconnect between what you're seeing at home versus what you're seeing in total.

Thank you for that. It's helpful.

The next question will come from Peter Galbo. Your line is open.

Hey good morning Bob and Ozam. Thanks for taking the question. Just two quick kind of clarifying questions on beverage concentrate. You know it looks like just given the shipment volume versus bottler case volume you guys have reported it's been running you know the shipment volume's been running 250 to 350 basis points below kind of the bottler case volume and then understanding that there's obviously a food service component there but just over time you know how should we think about the cadence of that kind of correcting maybe into fiscal 21 and then just the second part you know for beverage concentrate has your guidance taken into account you know some of the you know renewed lockdowns in some you know major U.S. cities that have come out in the past couple of days. Thanks very much.

Yeah Peter your comment is right about the disconnect sometimes and the timing of it and it's really hard to forecast you know when they get a line but your statement that over time they align is 100 percent correct and so that's some of the nuances we get quarter to quarter on beverage concentrates but we don't spend a lot of energy on that because we know over time they align and it's just difficult to try to predict that. The biggest takeaway from the beverage concentrates segment is the fact that we've seen sequential improvement in restaurants and I would point out that when you look at the KDP businesses in fountain and food service that's our that's our business that we talked about that services restaurants and hospitality it is heavily concentrated towards quick serve restaurants as we've talked about a number of times Dr. Pepper brand is the most available brand in quick serve restaurants and they have done a really good job of navigating towards drive-through and takeout and so even if there is a resurgence as we look at what may happen in the next couple of months we're really confident that that segment in particular will not only hang in there but may actually do better although that's not in our forecast but it may actually do better as traditional sit-down restaurants could become more challenged and people shift even more towards takeaway and drive-through and so that's the way that we're thinking about it going forward but we were encouraged to see the at least a sequential rebound in that business and we're watching and partnering with those restaurant partners to try to help them grow their business and they're doing an excellent job of navigating to the new world.

Your next question will come from Lauren Laverment. Your line is open.

Great thanks good morning. I want to talk a little bit about package beverages and the share gains that you've seen I know in the script you talked about you know conviction in some of these the household penetration gains in particular for these brands picking but I was also curious about the degree to which some of the performance has benefited from your competitors narrowing skew counts while in crisis mode particularly in flavors flavors aren't really core to the other players so I was just wondering to what degree you think that and kind of can shortages may be benefiting you guys and then what you're doing beyond the innovation to try to hold on to those gains when the situation does ultimately normalize.

Sure yep thanks for a question Lauren good morning. Sure. I think there are a number of factors is that they're driving our performance and you know and we've dug into that and we pulled it apart to make sure that we understand that we can continue to drive those things that are working. It is primarily driven by a combination of marketing strength innovation which on across our portfolio not just on our CSD brands with Dr. Pepper and Cream and Canada's Dry Bowl but we've introduced new buy items and a whole host of items across the board and Snapple for example they're they're playing out really well and as I talked about on an earlier one of the earlier questions we've also shifted our brands into the right pack sizes and formats and into the right channels and that's not under performance by anyone else that's just us moving quickly towards the consumer and I have every confidence that if the consumer were to shift again we'd get ahead of it and we'd move back over there. So the household penetration gains that we're seeing the great majority of are driven by marketing innovation and good execution on our part and it's not really driven by you know thoughts about canned shortages or you know executional missteps by anyone else and so therefore is driving household penetration which we believe will stick. The other subtle point that I would I would say is that the brands the Dr. Pepper brand in particular but other brands are well a good portion of those are actually distributed manufactured and distributed by other independent companies and some of our some of our peers. I know that gets confusing when we talk about it but those who really dig into business understand that and just as we're gaining from good execution on our end we actually get hurt by performance on the other end when there are canned shortages or difficulty getting the product out there and so as strong as our results are there are actually positives from our system being offset in some cases by negatives and in other systems and so it's not all a windfall as I keep saying this is this is the results you're seeing are the net of positives and negatives and we've been able to move through it really quickly but it's not all positives that then become a headwind as you think about next year.

Right so so Bob I feel like I I do understand that the distribution network. No I know you

do I'll talk about that in a broader audience.

Okay and so I just actually I thought that that contractually there might be some element of Dr. Pepper needing to be brand needing to be prioritized you know when it's when the distribution and manufacturing is through you know large companies not not independent so that sort of was referring to but separately I'm also curious you know the it was great in the script when you guys shared detail on a lot of the optimization work that you've already it's been underway for some time right this doesn't just start with the Honickman or the Buffalo Rock announcement to what degree is that already starting to show up and and that we're seeing it in terms of operating leverage I know there's so many moving parts right now because of COVID but yeah I was just wondering how immediate those benefits can be in terms of the the better scale on your distribution assets.

Yeah let me go back before I go back to your point though about the contractual pieces or whatever if you look at social media and you look at some of the new stories that were popping up about shortages of some of our brands that's all you need to know is what's actually happening out in the marketplace and that's that's not coming from if you take a look at where that's coming from it speaks to the broader challenge in the industry that has been well documented so my point again is this is not a we're not there's no complaints we never brought it up as an excuse but if you really think about now flipping it to next year I don't want anyone to take away from this is we have all positives next year they'll all become negative this year don't become negatives next year it's a mix there are some things that will be more challenging to lap in 2021 but I have a long list of things that are negatives this year that flip to the positive as well and so it's really important to understand this is a balance between the two and it's we're not just this isn't a weather report we actually control the outcome in many cases and so a lot of the positives are driven by the fact that we got ahead of things quickly and we're able to pivot business to do so and it's a flexible business model we can pivot again next year to your point about the distribution pieces as we talked about in the script this partnership with Honeckman that we talked about today is by far the single biggest move that we've made in this optimization but we also talked about there have been a string of smaller but very important moves that we've been putting in place over the past two years and so you're starting to see some of that effect in the strong performance in the marketplace in 2020 but big moves like the one that we've talked about today as well as as you know other partnerships with our our independent distributors like the polar deal those are mainly 2021 and beyond and I would suggest that the investments that we're making in our distribution infrastructure is part of the conversation we'll have about you know what does KDT look like beyond 2021 and you can see clearly we believe distribution is a critical asset with a lot of upside okay

that's super helpful thank you so much

all right thanks

your next question comes from Bill Chappell your line is open

thanks good morning Bob just help us understand you know I guess we're just respond to the thought of on the side you know the the thought that anybody who ever thought about getting a brewer now owns one because they've been working from home or staying from home and if they've even considered it they've bought it and so while it's great that you've had a a jump from of a normal two million to three million households that's a big pull forward and it's going to be much less in future years and more less and less people you know so help us understand how you grow household penetration after such a big jump this year and and why that wouldn't be the case

sure bill good morning and good to hear from you this morning if I'm smiling you can't see that I'm sorry because we I remember when we took KGM private we actually had some dinners and some meetings at that time with with previous KGM investors and analysts and you know just to talk about the business and what we were thinking about doing over time because we knew at some point it would be public again and household penetration at that point was round numbers you know 15 percent and that was the exact same question we got a 15 percent household penetration and people were using the words like saturation and we we talked at that time about we have every indication of household penetration over time will be north of 50 there is no sign of of slowing down or saturation and we talked about what were the barriers to entry so if we really believe the number is that big why isn't it happening now and doesn't everybody know about curing already and our answer at that point was we still have a lot of work to do in terms of marketing innovation price points features improving sustainability it's a it's a long list of things that we have benefit of working on every single day and then sometimes it just takes time and the number one reason why somebody moves to a carrot machine is when they replace their their coffee maker that breaks and that just takes time and so I understand the concept you know we get this all the time but we got that question millions and millions of households ago and I expect we'll continue to get that question going forward but but again every indication is that we'll be north of 50 percent if we keep going on our game that's 10 years out of strong growth and I think that this latest quarter is just yet one more quarter on top of many that preceded it to show that that's the right way to think about our business

okay so you don't worry about I guess a meaningful or in line household penetration increase next year

I think it's the same trend going on the year after year I mean if we will look at it in absolute numbers and how may that compare to 2020 I don't know yet because I don't know what the world's going to look like in 2021 but the best way to look at this business is over time and every time you lengthen the time period from a quarter to six months to a year beyond that the business makes total sense and it does exactly what we just described there's some quarter to quarter fluctuations in months months and month once but as we look at 2021 solid innovation lots of interest in the business um great marketing plans still in front of us we're we're not worried about you know lapping a 2020 we just think this is all part of the long-term growth in the system

got it thank you and then on the pod side one quick question

what's

the current promotional environment from you and kind of the competitors and kind of what are you expecting and I would think with such strong demand people could kind of dial back some of the price cuts or discounting and couponing but I didn't know if you're seeing that or expect to see that

yeah you see it in the iri numbers where you see the average price going up and and that's been a combination of some reduction in promotion as well as a shift interestingly a shift towards more premium brands and talked about before I think if people move from coffee out of the home they didn't home they take their favorite coffee shop brands with them which tend to be priced higher hard to say what it's going to be in the fourth quarter it really depends on what the consumer dynamics are and behaviors are but I would expect over time promotional levels will more towards normal that's not something that we have we don't have lack of promotion baked into any of our plans but in the short term if there's strong demand and there's some supply or stock issues at retail if there's a you know another stay at home type behavior I think this is you know they pull back on promotions across the board that's that's potential to happen

great Thanks for the call.

Okay, Artville.

This brings us to the end of our Q&A session today. I turn the call back over to management for closing remarks.

Thank you and thank you everyone this is Tyson thanks for dialing in today I know it's a very busy day for many of you the IR team is around so please feel free to reach out to myself or Steve for any follow-ups thanks everyone bye.

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