Kaltura, Inc.

and copyright of Kaltura with all rights reserved. For opening remarks and introductions, I will now turn the call over to Erika Mannion as Sapphire Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Erika.

Thank you, operator, and good morning. I am joined by Ron Yucatel, Kaltura's co-founder, chairman, president, and chief executive officer, and John Doherty, chief financial officer. Ron will begin with a summary of the results for the fourth quarter ended December 31, 2024, and the company's plans and expected trends for 2025. John will then review details of the financial results for the fourth quarter and full year of 2024, followed by the company's outlook for the first quarter and full year of 2025. We will then open the call for questions. Please note that this call will include four looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws, including but not limited to statements regarding Kaltura's expected future financial results and management expectations and plans for the business. These statements are neither promises nor guarantees and involve risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those discussed here. Important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from four looking statements can be found in the risk factors section of Kaltura's quarterly report on form 10Q for the quarterly period ended September 30, 2024, and other SEC filings including the annual report on form 10K for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2024, to be filed with the SEC. Any four looking statements made during this conference call, including responses to your questions, are based on current expectations as of today and Kaltura assumes no obligation to update or revise them whether as a result of new developments or otherwise except as required by law. Please note we will be discussing non-GAAP financial measures, adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin during this call. For reconciliation of adjusted EBITDA to the most directly comparable GAAP metric, please refer to our earnings release which is available on our website at .kaltura.com. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Ron.

Thank you, Erika and thanks everyone for joining us on the call this morning. Today we reported record total revenue of 45.6 million for the fourth quarter up 3% year over year and record subscription revenue for the quarter of 43.4 million up 6% year over year. We also achieved record ARR for the third consecutive quarter as well as record RPO for the second consecutive quarter. In short, all top line related KPIs were at record high level. As for our bottom line, in the fourth quarter adjusted EBITDA was 2.7 million representing our sixth consecutive quarter of adjusted EBITDA profitability and the highest quarterly result over the past four years. This was fueled in part by a record gross margin, cash flow from operations was 4.3 million. For the year, we reported subscription revenue, total revenue, adjusted EBITDA and cash flow from operations all above the guidance and forecast we provided. We are pleased with the progress we have made towards our goal to return to profitable growth including accelerating year over year growth rates in the second half of 2024. We have delivered on our goal of returning to adjusted EBITDA and cash flow from operations profitability in 2024, posting year over year improvements in these metrics of 9.8 million and 20.5 million respectively. We're looking forward to expanding these profitability metrics in 2025 and beyond. Moving on to the business update. New subscription bookings in the fourth quarter were at the highest level since the fourth quarter of 2022. Over the last three quarters, this metric has been growing as we expected both sequentially and at increasing year over year rates. In the fourth quarter, it included four seven-digit deals and 29 six-digit deals, the highest combined number of six and seven-digit deals since the third quarter of 2022. A portion of new subscription bookings that came from new customers also grew both sequentially and year over year in the fourth quarter, including a seven-digit deal with the leading global healthcare insurance company who licensed all of our enterprise products to power their digital campus training and certification programs and a seven-digit deal with a European government entity that will be providing our suite of education products to over 35 universities. Most of our new subscription bookings came again from upselling to our existing customers where we provided licenses for increased usage, additional users, additional solutions and additional use cases. Upsells included a seven-digit upsell deal with a major U.S. bank, a seven-digit European telco deal and several six-digit deals with leading organizations across a wide array of industries including technology, banking, pharma, healthcare, education, government, automotive, media and telecom. Customers that we can name that have closed new deals with us this quarter include Adobe, Healthstream, Red Hat, Berlitz and Connecticut State Colleges and Universities. Growing user adoption, usage and consolidating around Coulterot to power multiple products and use cases contributed in the fourth quarter to the continued growth of our average subscription revenue per customer which reached once again a record high level. As we wrapped up 2024, we're encouraged not just from our recent booking momentum but also by the size and nature of our sales pipeline which grew throughout the past year. We believe we'll support continued year over year new bookings growth in 2025. In addition to growth in new bookings, growth retention in the fourth quarter continued to improve year over year, enabling us to obtain our best full year growth retention rate of the past four years. The combination of increased new subscription bookings and improved growth retention rate in the fourth quarter has yielded for the first time since 2021 a third consecutive quarter with a year over year increase in net new subscription bookings which have been helping us fuel our year over year subscription revenue growth. Net dollar retention in the fourth quarter continued to improve from our increased growth retention and upsell bookings reaching 103% in the fourth quarter and closing the year at 100%. Moving on to the product front, let's begin with our growing investment in AI. Coulterot's AI infused video experience strategy is centered on integrating AI across every stage of the video life cycle including content creation, discovery, distribution, engagement and analytics to deliver fully personalized data driven experiences. In the fourth quarter we launched beta releases of two new AI infused offerings, Glass Genie and Work Genie. Both offerings are designed to support individualized learning journeys for teachers and students in the education sector as well as for trainers and trainees in the enterprise sector. Recognizing that one size fits all rarely addresses diverse learning needs, Coulterot's genies tailor content to each individual. They create hyper personalized content experiences of video snippets, interactive flashcards and quizzes to podcasts, video modules, learning paths and knowledge shifts by drawing exclusively on relevant institutional data helping to precisely meet each learner's unique requirements. Our AI beta program for evaluating our working class genies saw strong interest from dozens of large organizations including top universities, global Fortune 500 companies and leading tech firms who are interested in evaluating these products for both employee and customer experience use cases. We also continued boosting our AI infused content lab which helps organizations repurpose content at scale. New and enhanced features include automated clip creation, automated quizzes, chapters and summaries. Content lab is now integrated into our VCMS platform and video portal and is serving through them also our virtual events and webinars, virtual classroom, LMS and CMS extensions, TV CMS platform and TV streaming apps enabling enhanced automation, interactivity and AI powered content recommendation. Regarding our TV content management system and TV streaming apps, we enhanced our AI capabilities to further drive content discovery, engagement and monetization. Our AI powered recommendation engine now delivers more personalized user experiences while AI based chaptering and metadata tagging improves content accessibility and searchability. We also introduced AI powered dubbing and subtitling which enabled global reach and reduced translation costs for media providers. In the third quarter at the International Broadcasting Convention in Amsterdam, our AI driven advancements received strong industry validation which subsequently led to starting POCs in the fourth quarter with three global media and telecom companies and we're in discussions to potentially onboard an additional five. So, throughout AI innovations received additional industry recognition with our new Gen. AI features for broadcast, streaming and media earning us a place in the feed magazine 2024 honors list in the special recognition and AI category. Additionally, as you may have read in the press release we sent out in December, we published a new industry report called the Marketing Power of Video Based Experiences in AI in 2025. Serving 600 senior marketing professionals from companies with over a thousand employees across the US and Europe. The report confirms the growing impact of video based experiences and the search for AI tools to augment them. Beyond AI, one of our main product investment areas continues to be our virtual events and webinars product which offers fresh ways to engage large audiences and manage events and digital marketing programs at scale with minimal effort. We launched a green room virtual studio for backstage preparation and a new bulk invite management tool to streamline the handling of participants and added new types of polls and quizzes to enhance interactivity during live sessions. With our video portal which is used by more than 70% of our ENT customers, we remain focused on helping our customers manage and engage with content at scale. We implemented additional channel moderation tools to give administrators better oversight of user generated content. We also introduced new chat and collaboration features for real time interaction right within the portal, promoting deeper engagement and teamwork. We're also continuing to reinforce our position as a leading enterprise video content management platform by integrating more deeply with modern workplace technology. We enhance our Microsoft team integrations, allowing seamless automated uploads of teams recordings into Kultura VCMS alongside existing integrations such as Zoom and Webex Cisco. As we look ahead to the market in 2025 and beyond, we see a strengthening market for enterprise video driven by digital and AI transformations. We anticipate it will be fueled by continued easing of budgetary constraints, an increasingly hybrid global workplace, reduce corporate travel costs and growing sustainability requirements and the rising influence of millennials and Gen Z professionals, a workforce that is video native and AI savvy. In the media and telecom segment, we see demand for cloud TV, OTT streaming and AI powered automation accelerating as providers modernize infrastructure and enhance monetization. Across all industries, we expect companies to accelerate their move away from fragmented, non-integrated point solutions in favor of unified platforms which offer deep workflow integrations and seamless cross enterprise functionality. In addition to anticipated improvements in market conditions, we believe there are five main growth engines that will fuel Kultura's continued regrowth. First, we believe our unified cross enterprise platform is the ideal alternative to multiple siloed video point solutions. From the outset, our differentiated approach has been to treat video as a data type, not just an application. Consequently, we built a flexible API first platform that runs both deep and wide. Tightly integrated into business workflows and supporting use cases that run the gamut from employee communication and training to marketing, customer success and entertainment. One platform that does it all, effectively and affordably. Second, our newer products have reached maturity and are increasingly contributing to the continued regrowth of our ARPU, ARR per customer and market share. Over the past few years, we have successfully developed key offerings including virtual events and webinars, virtual classrooms and our front end TV streaming apps. These solutions are now in their prime enabling us to not only further expand the scope and value of our enterprise offerings, but also further the unique positioning of Kultura's video experience cloud as an ideal platform to centrally cater to all enterprise video needs and use cases. Third, the introduction of Gen.AI capabilities into our platform is unlocking groundbreaking opportunities to change how video experiences are created, delivered and consumed. We're uniquely positioned to lead this transformation, leveraging our deep business workflow integrations, our highly engaging and interactive employee and customer experiences and the vast amount of video content, metadata and analytics we manage for some of the world's largest organizations. In 2025 and beyond, we plan to continue expanding our AI infused capabilities including a Gen.AI powered tools, further amplifying the employee and customer engagement flywheels and driving stronger retention and monetization. Fourth, our loyal high value customer base represents a significant expansion opportunity. Kultura serves some of the world's largest and most influential enterprises including 24% of the top 50 financial institutions, 27% of the Fortune 100 companies, 30% of the top 50 technology companies over 50% of the US R1 schools and leading telecom and media providers mainly across the MNAPAC. We believe that there is a significant opportunity for us to capture a larger share of our current customer spend primarily through selling more broadly to them across current product categories. Our internal analysis suggests that the full potential expenditure of these customers represents three times what they're spending with us now. As mentioned before, we believe these customers will consolidate their vendors and given our offering superiority and the great relationships that we already have in place, we believe we're ideally positioned to benefit from this vendor consolidation. Fifth, growing our sales force and ramping up our efforts to win new customers across all our industries. As we enter 2025, we are again starting to gradually grow our sales team to cater to the growing market demand. And as we do so, we plan to gradually redirect them towards securing new customers. We enter 2025 with a robust product offering, a clear strategic direction and a validated go to market thesis. With market conditions improving, enterprise spending recovering and new opportunities arising, we believe we are poised to capture the increasing demand for video experiences. We believe that the improved market conditions and our five aforementioned growth engines, customer consolidation around our platform, the maturity of our newer products, exciting new GNI capabilities, growth potential within our great customer base and regrowing our sales force will yield continued year over year growth in our new bookings, as already recently demonstrated and supported by our growing pipeline. Lastly, supporting our guidance. We believe we have the right products and market positioning to enable a gradual and sustained acceleration of revenue growth. Being mindful of the market volatility in recent years, however, we are continuing to be thoughtful with our revenue guidance and have set it to represent similar year over year growth levels in 2025 as in 2024. We also expect our growth margin to continue to improve in 2025 and therefore believe we will achieve in 2025 once again, a year over year growth profit growth that is higher than our revenue growth. As for our bottom line, we are working to further expand our profitability alongside our growth acceleration and are guiding towards doubling our adjusted EBITDA profit margin in 2025. We're also keenly focused on continuing to grow our cash flow from operations to a similar level as our adjusted EBITDA. The majority of our operational cash flow is expected to be generated in the second half of the year, consistent with historical seasonality. A final word about our longer term goals. Our goal is to double our adjusted EBITDA in 2026 and by 2028 or before to return to being a rule of 30 company through a combination of an expected double digit revenue growth rate and adjusted EBITDA margin. We have achieved this goal before and we believe we can and will get back there again. With that, I'll turn it over to John, our CFO, to discuss our financial results and plans for 2025 and beyond in much more detail. John.

Thanks, Ron. And hello to everyone on the call today. Kaltura continued its strong and focused execution in the fourth quarter, achieving growth in new subscription bookings, a sustained high gross retention rate, further monetization of our existing customer base and addition of new customers, and continued improvement in operating efficiency and reallocation of resources towards higher ROI opportunities and markets. Touching on a few highlights in the quarter that demonstrate this, new subscription bookings continued to grow both sequentially and year over year for the third consecutive quarter and professional services bookings were also up significantly, both sequentially and year over year. Gross retention continued to be strong and showed improvement both sequentially and year over year. For the full year, we achieved our best gross retention since 2020. For the ninth consecutive quarter, total revenue grew year over year, driven primarily by strength in our subscription revenue, which has grown year over year in this and all past quarters. Remaining performance obligations in ARR continued to grow with both metrics at the highest level to date, as Ron mentioned earlier, and achievement of our profitability targets with gross margin at a record high level, lower year over year operating expenses, continued improvement in adjusted EBITDA, representing the sixth consecutive positive quarter and first positive adjusted EBITDA for the full year since 2020, and a record cash from operations year. With that, let me move on to our results. Our results once again exceeded our guidance for both revenue and adjusted EBITDA for the quarter. Total revenue for the quarter ended December 31st, 2024, was $45.6 million, up 3% year over year, and above the high end of our guidance range of $44 million to $44.7 million. Subscription revenue was $43.4 million, up 6% year over year. This is also above the high end of our guidance range of $41.8 million to $42.5 million. Professional services revenue contributed $2.2 million for the quarter and was down 40% year over year, consistent with the expected trends we discussed on the second and third quarter earnings calls. The remaining performance obligations were $203.4 million, up 8% sequentially, and 10% year over year, of which we expect to recognize 58% as revenue over the next 12 months. Consistent with what I mentioned last quarter, the increase in RPO is a result of our increased renewal bookings in the past two quarters, as well as improvement in new bookings. Annualized recurring revenue was $173.9 million, up 3% sequentially and 6% year over year. This is the highest ARR we have achieved to date and is reflective of increased subscription revenue in the quarter. Our net dollar retention rate for the quarter was 103%, an improvement from 101% last quarter and 98% in the previous three quarters. It is also consistent with our expectations for improvement in the second half of 2024 that we mentioned in the two previous earnings calls. This result has been driven by improved gross retention in 2024 versus 2023, and the sequential and year over year increase in new subscription bookings over the past three quarters. Gap gross profit for the fourth quarter was $32.3 million, up 9% sequentially and 13% year over year. Gross margin was 71%, which is up from 64% in Q4 2023, and subscription gross margin was 77%, which is up from 73% in Q4 2023. Total operating expenses in the quarter were $36.1 million, compared to $37.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2023, a reduction of 4% year over year. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $2.7 million, an increase of $1.9 million from $0.8 million in the fourth quarter of 2023. This result, along with our improving expense and margin profile, highlights our continued focus on improving our operating efficiency over time. Gap net loss in the quarter was $6.6 million, or $0.04 per diluted share. This is an improvement of $5.5 million year over year. And now for our 2024 fiscal year results. Total revenue for the year ended December 31, 2024, was $178.7 million, up 2% year over year. Subscription revenue was $167.7 million, up 3% year over year, while professional services revenue contributed $11 million, down 11% year over year. Our net dollar retention rate was 100% in 2024, compared to 101% in 2023. The small year over year decline was primarily due to the lagging impact of the lower booking and gross retention level in 2023. As I mentioned in relation to the quarter, we ended 2024 at a higher level than in Q4-23, which was 98%. Gap gross profit in 2024 was $119.1 million, representing a gross margin of 67%, up from a 64% gross margin in 2023. Subscription gross margin was 75%, up from 73% in 2023. Adjusted EBITDA in 2024 was $7.3 million, a significant improvement from negative 2.5 million in 2023. Gap net loss in 2024 was $31.3 million, or 21 cents per diluted share. Moving to the balance sheet and cash flow. We ended the fourth quarter with $84.7 million in cash and marketable securities. Net cash provided by operating activities was $4.3 million in the quarter, compared to $1.6 million net cash provided by operating activities in Q4-2023. This represents an improvement of $2.7 million. For the full year 2024, net cash provided by operating activities was $12.2 million, compared to $8.3 million net cash used in operating activities in 2023. This represents an improvement of $20.5 million for the full year. I would now like to turn to our outlook for the first quarter of 2025, and for the fiscal year ending December 31, 2025. In the first quarter, we expect subscription revenue to range from an increase of 5% to 7% and to be between $43.4 million and $44.2 million, and total revenue to range from an increase of 2% to 4% to be between $45.7 million and $46.5 million. We expect an adjusted EBITDA between $2.5 million and $3.5 million. We are also expecting to continue to post positive cash flow from operations in the quarter. For the full year, we expect subscription revenue to range from an increase of 2% to 3% and to be between $170.4 million and $173.4 million, and total revenue to range from an increase of 1% to 2% to be between $179.9 million and $182.9 million. As Ron mentioned earlier, we are being thoughtful with our overall guidance, which also takes into consideration the potential impact from macroeconomic environment as well as potential related FX fluctuation. Regarding our revenue guidance and consistent with historical quarterly trends, we expect second quarter revenue to grow year over year but to decline sequentially. This is due to the typical lower level of bookings in the first quarter and disproportionate recognition of on-prem revenue in Q1. This year, we expect to see a more pronounced decline due to higher Q1 on-prem revenue and increased M&T churn in the first half of the year, including delayed churn from last year. 2024 was a record gross retention year for M&T, and the average expected M&T gross retention level across both 2024 and 2025 remains healthy. As in the past, we expect revenue growth to reaccelerate in the second half of the year. We expect an adjusted EBITDA between $12.7 million and $14.7 million. This would effectively result in a doubling of our adjusted EBITDA margin from 2024. We are also expecting to continue to post positive and improving cash flow from operations to a similar level as our adjusted EBITDA for the full year in 2025, with the majority of our operational cash flow expected to be generated in the second half of the year consistent with historical trends. This compares to $12.2 million in 2024, negative $8.3 million in 2023, and negative $46.8 million in 2022. In summary, 2024 was a solid year and positioned us well going forward. What we will need to manage through some of the delayed churn in M&T in the first half of 2025, we expect to achieve a better result in EENT, and that a consolidated level gross retention remains strong. I mentioned last quarter that our overall outlook on the business is brighter, and the results this quarter have only reinforced this view. We believe the company has enhanced its position in 2024 to benefit from emerging tailwinds that we are seeing of spend consolidation to a single vendor, digital and AI transformations, and the hybrid workplace that is continuing to drive demand for video-based offerings. As we move into 2025, we will continue to target both revenue growth and sustained and improving adjusted EBITDA profitability consistent with our guidance. We believe our results demonstrate that we are on the right path to achieving these objectives and to drive consistent returns to our shareholders. We are encouraged by the increased adoption of our products, highlighted by an increase in new bookings and deals in our pipeline that we believe could yield continued strength in bookings and by growing industry tailwinds as we move into 2025. We are also confident that this sets us up for a modestly accelerated revenue, adjusted EBITDA profitability, and cash flow from operations growth profile beyond 2025. Our target is to achieve double-digit revenue growth and a rule of third combination between revenue growth and adjusted EBITDA by 2028 or sooner. As Ron mentioned, Katura has achieved this goal in the past and we firmly believe that we are on the right path to achieve it again. Before moving on to questions, I would like to highlight our upcoming investor event scheduled for Wednesday, March 12th. We look forward to providing more insights into our products, customer use cases, and our financial results. For more information, please go to the investor relations page on our website that Eric has cited up front. With that, we'll open up the call for questions. Back to you, operator.

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. The first question is from Michael Turin from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Hi, this is Richard Polenon from Michael Turin. Thanks for taking my question. I guess to start, I just want to give you an opportunity to just kind of elaborate a little bit on the on-premise commentary in Q1. Just want to make sure we fully kind of unpack what's going on there from Q1 to Q2 next year.

Sure. Good morning, Richard, and hello, everyone. So on-premise represents less than 5% of our revenue, somewhere around 2%. And yet, when it is recognized, it's recognized within a given quarter. It is not spread. When we look at our ARR, then we correct that in order to look at the ARR itself. So it does not represent the FAST recognition. But according to the rules of accounting, if you have that renewal and or new deal happening in a given quarter, then the full year revenue is recognized within that quarter. So Q1 has a few things going for it. One of it is that it has a bit more on-prem than others, and it has become a bit more pronounced with one of the deals. And again, that's a very small minority of what we do. But if you look at last year also, there was a sequential decline between Q1 and Q2. The other reason is not just the on-prem, is the fact that generally most of our bookings are coming at the latter part of the year with an emphasis on Q4 and on Q2. So Q1 is the weaker one. And so generally there is a low, sometimes negative net booking, if you take away churn from gross booking. We also have that M&T stuff. So the combination of all these things is what's creating downward pressure on Q2, which is quite typical for us. Does that address your question?

Yeah, that was perfect. Appreciate that. And then when we think about some of these new AI features and products, and I announced a couple in the quarter, and it's early days in beta. But when we think about that in the context of that 3X upsell opportunity you see in the base, how are you thinking about kind of monetizing some of the AI opportunity there, and how should we think about that, both as we think about next year, but also just kind of beyond years?

Yeah, thank you for that. Good question. We're excited about AI. It's one of the big drivers, we believe, of the industry and of Coulter, and specifically we're in the best situation, we believe, to capitalize on that opportunity because the companies who would best benefit from AI are those who are sitting already on the content. And we have a treasure trove being the leading content management platform for many, many years. You know, if you look at Gartner Reports, so we're sitting on half of the content of half of the R1 schools in the US, many of the Fortune 100s and others, and we've been atomizing the content there, learning it so that we could best deliver it in a hyper-personalized, hyper-contextualized way that delivers great results, so we have an unfair quote unquote advantage. The other point there is that the more you control all of the content of the users and the organization, the more insights you could generate. And a big advantage of Coulter is that we've been consolidating multiple use cases, multiple products, so the entire employee and customer journey are running on Coulter. That means that the metadata, the content, the analytics around the entire journey is in one place. So if we need to understand how you could best monetize on a lead or how you could best engage and teach, learn, train, upscale an employee, we have all that data. So with that, a few words about what are the things we're doing with AI. We recently launched the AI Content Lab, and that's a piece that basically enables us to create clips, to generate quizzes on the fly, to create text summaries and chaptering and highlight videos and stuff of that regard. So that's already live and out there and being used. The second piece of what we're doing is the Genies, which we've released this quarter. We have both Work, Class, and TV Genie. These are agentic AI services that are fit to increase interactivity with the end users. What it does is that enables both proactively and reactively for users to get the exact pieces of information that they need in a highly engaging way in a very rich experience that is immersive, that brings together video together with flashcards and graphics and text. So you basically have an agent that sits there and you ask it any question that you want, and the answers are free from any hallucination because it's 100% reliant on the data within your organization. So that's something that's very exciting. We have dozens of folks that are already better tasting it and excited both in the education and the enterprise front. The other piece is around AI enrichment. So we've already launched our own automatic speech recognition tool, which we used to have used third parties. We're now launching OCR tools for optical character recognition, moderation agents. We also have a whole TV experience that enables to create content and manage it in a much more effective way for TV. So there's just a lot of stuff there. By and large, we think that this is gonna boost how much content is created, how much is consumed, how much value is generated, and bringing together content creation and content distribution into a virtual circle, which is really, really exciting. So we believe there's a 10 to 100% growth opportunity for consumption of video in organizations, and we are in a great, great spot to be able to monetize on that.

Awesome, that's really helpful. Thank

you.

Thank you, Richard.

The next question is from Gabriela Borges from Golden Saks. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, thank you. Ron and John, I know we spoke a little bit about 2025 priorities last quarter. And certainly you gave us some more color in the prepared remarks as well. I wanted to ask you the follow-up on what do you think is incrementally more important for culture last year, or where are you incrementally spending more of your time? Clearly the consistency on the execution, you called that out in the prepared remarks. You talked about the focus on growth and profitability. So we'd love to hear anything incremental this year versus last year, thanks.

So first, I mean, there was a question there and hello, Gabriela, and thanks for the good question. There was, we've highlighted five areas of growth, right? We said first the market is regrowing. Put aside Kultura, demand and budget and the digital NA AI transformation and hybrid workplace and Gen Z in the workplace. So that's great, so that's happening anyway. There is a focus that we have provided on consolidation around Kultura and putting together both internal and external for employee and customer. And that's been driving up our average ARR, ARPUs and it's enabling us to have a stronger lock-in. That has been really important, will continue to be. There's an element around maturity of our new products. We've put a lot of investment on our event platform. Again, not for the high level events that used to have been physical, they moved to virtual, then many of which have come back to being physical. We're talking about thousands of events that large organizations have every year, departmental, internal, external that we manage. We're now firing in over four cylinders and able to sell this and compete against others in a market that we had not been in. So it's been an important focus for us to catch up on that. Also aligned with shifting the focus from more EX to more CX, more customer experience and that's enabling us to do both. So that will continue to be a focus for us. There's the agentic AI features that we just discussed around hyper personalization. And then there's just a lot of opportunity across our existing customer base. As of recent, 75% of booking have come from upsells and not new logos. And we've identified three X white space of growth within our existing customers, which we are tapping into, but there's gonna be a lot more. We believe that as markets improve, more folks are gonna be looking further and not gonna be myopic about growth. And they're gonna choose a system that's better for them in the mid to long term, but also saving costs, which is Kultura. And lastly, regrowing ourselves for us because we are gonna continue to bring a lot more new logos. It's slowed down for the entire industry because everybody's stuck to their own guns and a lot of folks have not jumped into whole new opportunities. But for this year and beyond, we believe there's gonna be a lot more new things coming in. If I superimpose that on the product side, so other than gen AI, which we've discussed, how that's gonna continue to push forward, agentic AI, both EX and CX flywheels, there's the continued expansion from EX to CX, as I mentioned, to cater to sales marketing and customer success. And again, not just, but both and the consolidation of both. There is a move that we're gonna continue to do towards content creation tools. To remind you, we came from content management and are now moving not just to create content, but to make it hyper personalized. There is another move to go beyond video, which we've done over the years, to manage text, photos, and not just be at the video side, to enable full experiences around EX and CX that are video first and AI infused, but they're full experiences. And lastly, continued move towards lower touch doesn't necessarily mean that it's for SMBs, but for example, to better move from telecos to media companies and packaging. So all these are in place, we're all excited about them, but what I'm most excited about is that none of the things that we said here are prerequisites for growth. We've already laid the seeds for everything we're discussing in 2024 and before. We've never fallen quote unquote backwards as the industry had slowed down. We have done this amid expansion into new products, new markets successfully with great new logos. And we're now already reaping the success of that. Given that we're still growing, we've never declined. Year over year growth is there. Second half of the year had been accelerating. Profitability is there. So we'd love for it to be faster, bigger, quicker, and we're gonna work towards that. But I think we're in the right direction. John, you wanna comment please?

Yeah, Ron pretty much covered it, but just to summary moving forward, if you were to look at it from a financial perspective, we do see continued investment in the sales and marketing activity consistent with our desired revenue growth goals. We'll see as a percent of revenue, expect slight decline in R&D, slight decline in G&A, but we also have a very, very flexible business. If we see opportunities to accelerate revenue growth, we're gonna take advantage of that. That's why we're gonna have a relatively stable,

as

I mentioned, consistent with revenue growth, sales and marketing as a percent of revenue because we need to continue to invest in the growth opportunities that we see in front of us. So that's it from a, if you look more thoroughly at the P&L.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you for all the comments. Follow up for Ron on AI. So maybe just talk to us about how much this conversation is a pull versus a push from customers. To what extent are customers kind of gearing up to adopt and know what they wanna do versus being still in the exploratory phase where Kaltura can be a strategic partner to help educate them? Maybe just share for us what those conversations look like.

I think it's somewhere in the middle, Gabriella. Some folks are still worried about the general concept of AI within the enterprise. The good news is that we are not training the models and we are definitely not sharing any of that across customers. There's a kind of Chinese wall, so there's no problem there in that regard and we're delivering all that great value. The other great thing is that the issue with AI is not so much what it can do, but how you actually bring it to the last mile place where you want the opportunity to be. And Kaltura is a great vehicle because we're connected into the workflows because we have all the metadata, we have all the content, and because we run the experience itself. And so we have everything that's required, the last mile piece of it is to bring the core capabilities of generating videos on the fly, repurposing them or creating them from text, and delivering that within the learning or working environment. So people appreciate that. So what we've been seeing across dozens of organizations, both schools, corporations, across all industries, is that they're absolutely interested, they're intrigued by it, but they're not coming at it in most cases by saying this is exactly what we need, but how can we think together about how this could disrupt and improve my business? But everybody is very, very attuned to that and excited about that. So we think it's gonna be a big impact over the quarter's end. As I said, and I'm repeating it, none of these things in and of themselves are required for us to continue to accelerate our business. That's all additional layers that are gonna continue to fuel even faster the growth opportunity, because the core business with everything else is still accelerating and growing and nicely.

Next one,

thank you.

Thank you.

The next question's from Patrick Walravans from Citizens. Please go ahead.

Great, this is Austin Cole on for Pat Walravans. Question for Ron, and just kind of broadly about this rule of kind of 30 goal by 2028. I mean, as you look at the market right now, and you talk about kind of some of the positive momentum you're seeing, does Kaltura need to continue to see kind of an improvement in the market to achieve those goals, or is it really just about capturing the opportunity as it stands right now? Thank you.

Yeah, thank you for that. Short answer is no. We are already in the direction, and we've reduced our sales force by 25% to where we are now from the high, and bringing it back to profitability and accelerated profitability. The last three quarters have shown both sequential and -over-year growth in bookings, and that's before increasing sales force, and we expect to continue to start gradually adding people. And so we don't think that that's required to get things done. To remind you, we were there in the past. It's been very, very tough years for the industry. We've done better than the peers, and we've never come down, and we're now re-accelerating at H2 as we have promised. So I think we'll get there. What combination will build the rule of 30? Is it like a 30% grower and a 0% adjusted EBITDA, or 20 to 10? We said it's gonna be double-digit growth, but the combination and the exact timing remains to be seen. I think you've seen us. We're very thoughtful. We're trying to be very careful about the expectations that we set into over-deliver and under-promise, and hopefully that's gonna continue to be the case. John, you wanna add?

I mean, no, you said it, and I mentioned it in regards to the last question. Our goal is to have the most flexible business as possible, and ultimately, right now, obviously, we have a plan in terms of how we're gonna get to the long-term goals that we cited on the call. But importantly, we have been growing nine revenue quarters of growth in total. Subscriber always six consecutive quarters of positive adjusted EBITDA. And both of those areas, we've also been doing better each and every quarter, and we expect that absolutely to continue. And we do have the flexibility to where we see, if we see growth acceleration opportunities on the revenue front, we're gonna certainly take advantage of that. And could we sacrifice a little bit of profitability? Sure, but we're still gonna be profitable. We're still 100% committed to that.

Great, that's helpful. Quick follow-up for John. Just looking at the gross margin in the quarter here, just wanted to dig a little deeper into kind of what's driving that, and then just how to think about kind of those levels going forward. So a couple things. First

and foremost, if you look at the overall mix of the business, we have moved a little bit more towards subscription, versus PS. I mean, it's always been a strong part of our business, but that's, we've moved, it's become an even greater part of our business. Number one, number two, which obviously has a higher margin, gross margin associated with it. Number two, our EENT mix has also been higher overall, which also has a higher margin associated with it. And we've mentioned this, I believe it was a few calls ago, we've also had internally a very comprehensive process and team in place where we've been looking at profitability by customer across EENT, across MNT, and really going after it where we see customers that effectively aren't where we feel we need them to be, whether it's through pricing, whether it's through cost management. We're managing all aspects of the business to help drive gross margin up and to the right, which is obviously what you're seeing in our results. You know, longer term, you're moving that on a consistent basis, up and towards 70% certainly is within the realm of possibility. And, you know, we're necessarily gonna be there in 2025, but certainly, you know, we expect to continue to move that up and to the right as we move throughout the year and as we move throughout the next couple of years. Just, I'll ask just one more piece.

Just one more piece from my end. You would have seen that we've grown from 2020 on a non-GAAP basis from 61% to 67%. When we IPO'd the company, we said we're gonna be climbing towards 70%, and we're definitely on track to do that and more. The one thing I will just say is that there could be jumps between quarters, it so happens that Q4 also had some more short-term credits that have come from AWS, so that sometimes it boosts things, so it could come down in Q1. We think it might come down a bit. But that being said, 2025 is expected, as we've noted, to be higher than 2024 as a year, and that trend is continuing to grow into the future.

Okay, that's super helpful. Thank you. Thank you.

As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one. The next question is from Ryan Koontz from Native & Company. Please go ahead.

Hi, this is Matt Kavanaugh on for Ryan. Thanks for the question. With expectations for better market conditions next year, are there any verticals or geographies that are standing out versus others?

Thank you, Matt, for the good question. Maybe this is an opportunity to give you a bit of color around what we've been achieving from a business perspective over the last quarter. We did say that it's been a very good quarter. It was the third quarter in a row of both sequential near-year growth in our bookings, and that actually was both in ENT and MNT that were doing well. ENT had the highest bookings since Q3-22. MNT had the highest bookings since Q2-23. And also the new businesses, not just the upsell, but new business, had been increasing both quarter over quarter and year over year, so it's just general. I think we also noted the number of six and seven-digit TCV deals. We had four accounts with seven-digit TCV deals versus two the quarter before, none the one before that and one deal at the beginning. And so we also had the record number of six-digit deals. So all in all, things are pulling up. We've given you a few examples. I'm not gonna get into them across both cases where it was internal communications, cases where it was external, LND, MNT. One that I didn't, by the way, add on top of those that we've mentioned like Adobe and Hellstream and Red Hat and Burlitz and Connecticut State Colleges is also British Telecom as a channel, which is also interesting because they added some more customers. We had with them an interesting strategic partnership where they brought a global automotive brand and in this quarter, a couple of other logos around multinational in the automation world and global shipbuilding group and stuff like that. And channel business had grown to about 15% of our booking last year was about five. So it's definitely picking back up. We are seeing customers consolidate around culture. We are seeing them, as we've mentioned, excited about AI. But to your question about geographies and verticals, it's been coming across the board, tech, financial services, professional services, automotive, healthcare. I would say that tech are the more quicker ones to embrace new innovations like AI. So we expect that that will be somewhere that we could break maybe quicker on the AI front compared to others like government or education. From a geo-tier question, it's been a relatively consistent trend. Our strongest region for ENT continues to be North America and our strongest region for MNT continues to be EMEA. I will say that when you think about the impact on the average ARR that we've seen earlier, it's been picking up and picking up. We have closed the year with 30 customers north of a million, which is four more than the year before. And obviously we didn't get much into retention, but this year was a great, or 2024, great retention year. So net booking had been doing very, very well and it's picking up quarter over quarter, time and time again. So the short answer to your question about both geos and verticals, we've been successful in accelerating business, both in EMEA and in North America, and also restarting the open APAC more. We're doing less work in Latin America, we'll probably get back to that in the future, but it's still the same regions and verticals were successful across.

Great, that's helpful. And as a quick follow-up, are you seeing any changes in the time to close the deal? And along with that, are there any changes in the closure rate as you're going into 2025?

No, wind rates have been holding very nice. This quarter was a good quarter, the one before was great as well. So it's strong, the time that it takes, I'd say it's still longer than it used to have been in the quote unquote normal years, but it's definitely not getting longer. So I think we're seeing things getting better, where things get a bit quicker, but I wouldn't say that there's been a dramatic shift in Q4 that we should talk about.

Got it, thank you. That's it for me, congrats. Thank you.

This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to Ron Yikotel, CEO for closing comments.

Yeah, I wanna thank you all for your great question, everybody for tuning in. We're pleased with our quarter four and fiscal year results in line with what we had communicated prior around accelerating revenue and coming back to profitability. We're excited about 2025. We believe we're on track to continue growing both booking, accelerating revenue, growth and increasing both our growth and net margins. We believe we're on track to, as we had stated, to be a rule of 30 company again, and we are happy of how we've been advancing towards that. And we look forward to talking to a lot of you guys on March 12th to remind you we have our investor day, investor meeting. So please go into our investor section on our website and register if and when you can. Thank you and have a wonderful day and week. Bye bye.

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