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Kopin Corporation
8/12/2025
Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Copen Corporation Second Quarter 2025 Earnings Call. Please note this event is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Brian Pranovo, Investor Relations for Copen.
Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Before we get started, I'd like to remind everyone that today's call taking place on August 12th 2025 will be making forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are based on the company's current expectations, projections, beliefs, and estimates, and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those forward-looking statements. Potential risks include, but are not limited to, demand for our products, operating results of our subsidiaries, market conditions, and other factors discussed in our most recent annual report on Form 10-K as amended and other documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Although the company believes that the assumptions underlying these statements are reasonable, any of them can be proven inaccurate and there can be no assurances that the results will be realized. The company undertakes no obligation to update the forward-looking statements made during today's call. In addition, references may be made to certain documents non-generally accepted accounting principles, or non-GAAP measures for which you should refer to the appropriate disclaimers and reconciliation in the company's SEC filings and press releases. Copen Corporation's Chief Executive Officer, Michael Murray, will begin today's call with an overview of Copen's progress within the company's strategy. Following Michael, Copen's CFO, Rich Snyder, will review the company's second quarter 2025 financial results. I would now like to turn the conference over to Michael Murray. Michael?
Thank you, Brian. Good morning to everyone and welcome to our second quarter earnings call. It's been quite a busy and transformational time at Copen, and we believe some of our best and most exciting opportunities still lay ahead of us. We recently announced the hiring of Eric Manns as our new CFO, who will officially start on September 2nd. Eric joins us from Allegro Microsystems, where he spent the last 27 years in various financial and accounting and leadership roles. We're excited to have Eric on board as we believe these are truly transformative times here at Copen. As I hope you all saw yesterday, we announced a $15 million strategic investment from Theon International, a global developer and manufacturer of advanced thermal imaging and night vision systems for global defense and thermal imaging markets. Due to ongoing military conflicts, rising uncertainty, and the approved increase in European defense spending, COPEN and Theon decided that this strategic partnership can drive increased revenue, market share, and technology developments in Europe, Southeast Asia, and with NATO allies specifically. Furthermore, there are large pursuits here in the United States that may make sense for both companies to pursue as well. With Theon's expertise in night vision sensors and systems, coupled with COPEN's capabilities in all four types of micro displays and optical assemblies, we collectively believe the combination will bring the most advanced technology to market sooner, at a lower price, and within sovereign content required to be successful together on much larger pursuits and contracts globally. It has been reported that the European nations and NATO allies will spend over a trillion in defense spending which makes this region critical for our growth and ambitions. FION is a market maker, a leading defense firm, and is one of the fastest growing companies in Europe for the second year in a row. FION, which is publicly traded on the Amsterdam Stock Exchange, focuses on developing and delivering mission-critical thermal weapon sites, night vision, and sensing systems to many countries in Europe, Southeast Asia, and NATO. Their growth has been astounding with over 50% compound annual growth rate in the last past six years, resulting in revenues of over $381 million last year. Now, as the only manufacturer in the United States of four types of micro displays, we feel we are in a very unique position to capitalize on macro trends across the globe and grow our business, and we believe the investment by Theon will further help us achieve this. Part of the investment will go towards our facility in Dalgety Bay, Scotland. This facility supports manufacturing and sales for Europe, Southeast Asia, and now NATO-specific countries, enabling collaborative innovations across key global regions. COPEN and Theon will have a non-exclusive licensing and development agreement for several of our technologies and products. The second part of the investment by Theon is in the form of preferred shares. These shares will have a fixed conversion price of $3 and a forced conversion price of $4.50 if the stock trades above that level for 10 days in a 30-day window. With this agreement, we expect sales with Theon to commence in the fourth quarter of this year. Copen and Theon have developed and agreed upon an aggressive three-year strategic plan for revenue, technology sharing, and growth. which makes both companies stronger, more profitable, and competitive together. Importantly, our firms will be able to partner together and compete on much larger projects and contracts higher up the value chain. Global defense contractors and integrators are looking for more than simple commodity products to plug into systems. They want application-specific solutions tailored to their individual needs and products. Now turning to the second quarter of 2025, specifically, we did not meet our expectations. This was largely the result of government budget uncertainty and subsequent customer confidence that was reduced, which created a sales vacuum in the second quarter. However, we are very pleased to report that the order book is recovering and many of those orders will be fulfilled in the third quarter. As an example, standard products for 3D AOI and training and simulation devices were delayed and will be recognized in third quarter as well as fourth quarter. Additionally, we had several millions of orders expected in second quarter, which we expect to announce shortly. And we expect to announce several significant research and development awards shortly as well. Although there were some roadblocks to recognizing revenue in the second quarter, We continue to make substantial progress for the long-term health and growth of the company. Within the quarter, we introduced our first phase of optical inspection, which is now up and running. We expect to introduce the second phase by the end of this year, which we believe will save the company significant operating expenses in the second half of 2025, while increasing our overall throughput and increasing our inspection quality as well. We are holding our quality rates at a much higher level, more consistent and more predictable levels as well. Recently, we received the best overall quality level from all three of our top customers since I joined Copen almost three years ago. On the technology front, Copen's latest AI enabled neural display hardware prototype built on an OLED technology with micro LED capability now enables eye image capture, gaze tracking and dynamic controls This breakthrough delivers valuable insights into the requirements of custom optics, and we continue to focus on future developments. Key discoveries address design challenges and optimize performance, propelling ongoing innovation. As Copen continues refining this design, the next steps will be to focus on enhancing silicon architectures to improve color accuracy, brightness, and sensor sensitivity. These upgrades will further bolster the neural displays capability and propel development toward the next generation of innovative display technology. We demonstrated the technology for the first time in a wearable headset live at the AWE show in Long Beach and during our very successful technology roadshow in June. During the second quarter, COPEN received a contract to illustrate what technical requirements a color micro-LED micro-display will be needed for the next-generation soldier vision systems, including head-mounted see-through displays, handheld devices, platform-mounted systems, and advanced weapon systems like the next-generation squad weapon fire. The soldier display trade study focuses on identifying ultra-bright micro-LED trade-offs, to optimize see-through XR applications, prioritizing daytime readable displays that are brighter, more efficient, and capable of delivering clear visibility across diverse lighting conditions from intense daylight to overcast starlight. Our research into monochrome and color micro-LED displays for aviation, automotive, and soldier systems continue and we expect to advance the monochrome display into full-rate production soon while we continue to advance our color micro-LED strategy for aviation, land, and soldier-worn systems as well. Through the U.S. Department of Defense, we are excited about several opportunities to supply our existing programs across the military. We continue to supply several types of advanced thermal weapon sites, and we are dedicating more focus on armored vehicles, as well as within the advancements of recently announced research and development into the next generation of electric armored vehicle programs. The largest of these opportunities is clearly IVAS, which is now referred to as Soldier-Born Mission Command, or SBMC. This $22 billion Army program was recently novated by Andrel. SBMC is an all-encompassing program that has software, hardware, and networking elements. As warfare evolves and increases in complexity, having tools that deliver the right information quickly and intuitively become increasingly urgent. We expect prime contractors to be selected soon for this technology upgrade to the existing IBAS platform, which we believe will continue until SBMC becomes available. Along with the prime contractor selections, we expect announcements and awards for critical technology acquisition areas where COPEN fits into to be announced shortly as well. Given the long-term nature of many of the existing programs and the contract wins so far for 2025, our current pipeline is very strong and growing. As a reminder, several of our programs have congressional budget demands through 2030. And several of the program contracts we have are indefinite demand and indefinite quantity, or IDIQs, which allow for even greater revenue demands than we currently have on order. Now, increasing geopolitical tensions mean defense spending is unlikely to decrease and the way wars are fought is evolving. Soldiers in the field are tasked with needing more information sooner to assess threat levels and how to make the best decisions for themselves and their teams. Our products and technology can help make our soldiers and the soldiers of our allies safer, meaning more men and women in uniform make it home safe. I am truly, we are truly excited about yesterday's announcement with Theon and what this means for the future of Copen as a player on the global scale. Furthermore, Theon has announced other key investments and acquisitions that will also help Copen and Theon be successful in our new ambitions and business plans. I'll now turn the call over to our CFO, Rich Snyder, to review our results from the second quarter and full year in further detail.
Thank you, Michael. Turning to our financial results for the second quarter, total revenues from Q2-25 were $8.5 million versus $12.3 million for the prior year. The decrease was primarily related to government budgeting process that impacted orders from several customers. Product revenues for the second quarter of 25 were $7.5 million compared to $11.1 million in the second quarter of 24. In the second quarter of 25, funded research and development revenues decreased by $900,000 from $1.2 million in Q2 of 24, primarily because of the completion and development of our CR3 medical headset. Cost of product revenues for the second quarter of 25 was $7.1 million, where 94% of net product revenues compared to $8.7 million, with 79% of net product revenues for the second quarter of 24. The decrease in cost of product revenues was primarily the result of lower sales, which were insufficient to absorb fixed costs. R&D expenses for the second quarter of 25 were $1.9 million, an increase of approximately $100,000 from the year-ago quarter. Customer-funded R&D expenses decreased approximately $200,000, Internal R&D expenses increased by $300,000. Funded R&D decreased largely to development programs moving into full production, the CR3 program I mentioned previously. And internal R&D increased due to transition of displays to Europe and automating our production line. SG&A expenses were $7.9 million in the second quarter of 25 compared to $7.3 million in the second quarter of 24. The decrease was primarily due to a decrease in legal fees of approximately $2.8 million. Turning to the bottom line, the net loss for the second quarter of 25 was $5.2 million, or $0.03 per share, compared with a net loss of $5.9 million, or $0.05 per share, for the second quarter of 24. Net cash used in operating activities was $7.6 million for the first half of 25. Listeners should review the 10Q for the quarter ended June 28 for additional disqualification. And with that, I'll call back over to Michael for closing remarks, and we'll take your questions.
Thanks, Rich. Before concluding my prepared remarks and moving to Q&A, I'd like to take a moment to thank Rich for his decades, literally decades, of hard work at Copen. Rich joined Copen in 1988 and has been through many ups and many downs over his 26 years with the company. Rich has helped me tremendously in the almost three years that I've been at Copen as both a financial advisor and a friend. due to his deep knowledge of the company, his operational knowledge, and his relationships with all of the people here at Copen. The Copen team is going to miss him dearly. We wish him the best wherever his path takes him next. As a leading provider of application specific optical solutions for high performance and mission critical virtual reality and augmented reality applications, we have a unique opportunity in front of us. Our products, and our technology can be applied to a variety of industries across the landscape, but we have chosen to focus on a few which we think have the greatest and highest demand and growth opportunities for return and provide the clearest path to profitability. We believe we're at an exciting inflection point for the company. With our existing products, technologies, and customers, we believe we are in a great position to continue supplying defense departments across the world with the tools and applications to make their jobs safer. I believe the best is yet to come. The improvements the team has made in a relatively short period of time is truly commendable, and we're not done yet. We're just getting started. Operator, we can open the call for questions.
At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. You may remove yourself from the queue at any time by pressing star 2. Once again, that is star 1 to ask a question. We'll take our first question from Jason Schmidt with Lake Street. Your line is open.
Please go ahead. taking my questions. Just want to start on the FION investment news. Michael, you mentioned that you expect to see sales start in Q4, but can you help us think about the size of this opportunity longer term? Obviously, they're a massive company, and it seems like a great way to address some of the international markets, but how should we think about the size?
Sure. There's a number of pieces of our opportunity with FION. The first piece is an internal spend. As you know, Theon acquires a tremendous amount of micro displays. In their announcement, they didn't mention one of our competitors in OLED. and they have a supply agreement with them for a number of years, but we do expect to receive some of the internal spend in OLED. We don't make every OLED display. Our competitors don't make every OLED display we make, but there are several opportunities for us to supply OLED, as well as LCD, FL costs, and of course, micro LED internal within Theon. So that's number one, but the big opportunity with theon is actually our application specific solutions like davas and darkwave theon has a significant franchise in night vision goggles in southeast asia as well as europe and with our davas and darkwave strategy we think these are great products for theon to take to market with copen and i think that was a real driving factor for their investment And our plan is to build those systems in Europe for European customers. So we think that's going to be the first level of investment and revenue that we'll see in Q4 is in those application-specific solutions for Theon's customers that they already have. Then thirdly, we have several pursuits that we want to engage on that are fairly near term to the company's specifically in Europe. And we expect to see some research and development dollars flow through this relationship in Q4.
Gotcha. And then I know you mentioned it's not exclusive from a tech standpoint. Do they get any sort of priority when it comes to your capacity?
Yeah, great question. Right now in Delghetti Bay, which primarily focuses on our FL costs and 3D AOI markets. We're going to utilize that facility to a much greater rate, which will help our absorption rate and cost structure. So that would be number one. Number two, we're going to focus more on the application specific solutions that I mentioned earlier, that will also increase the FAB utilization rate in Dalgety Bay, as well as potentially Reston, Virginia. So we're focused in on driving the IP around DarkWave, DAVAS, and some of our display technologies through Dalgety Bay. And then in Reston, where we'll be working with them, them being Theon, to develop some of the USA-based solutions that we're targeting. So we think the utilization rate of COPEN's FABs will increase greatly because of this relationship, and that'll transfer into the bottom line. But from an IP perspective and a capacity perspective, we're really focused on driving input into the Reston facility as well as Delghetti Bay.
Okay, that makes sense. And then last one for me, and I'll jump back into Q. Maybe I missed it, but did you give a sort of book to bill number or bookings number in Q2?
Q2 was a positive book to bill, although it wasn't as high as we had expected or hoped. Much of the bookings that we missed were actually within the quarter turns, meaning book ship orders that we could turn within the quarter, as well as some of the funded research and development orders that we were expecting. It was a positive book to bill in Q2, probably because the revenue wasn't as exciting as we thought it was going to be. But having said that, Jason, I'm happy to report that we've received the vast majority of the orders that we were expecting, and we still have about 20 million of funded research and development orders that we have a high degree of expectation that will come in in the second half of 2025.
Okay, really helpful. Thanks a lot, guys. Thanks, Jason.
And as a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question today, you may do so by pressing star one. We'll take our next question from Glenn Mattson with Lattenburg. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
Hi. Thanks for taking the question, and apologies that I'm toggling between two calls, so you may have hit this already. Can you just talk about in the quarter prior call, you talked about how you were going to reorganize manufacturing a little bit and bring in automation. Can you just say how much of that has been completed, if it's done, and what kind of advantage you would think you would see in gross margin going forward?
You bet. Thanks, Glenn. In Q2, we introduced our optical inspection solutions into the FAB. Those are now up and running. We expect to receive a million to a million and a half of operation expense recovery in the second half from that automation. Our second phase of automation for the plant will go in by the end of this year, and we have fairly significant amounts of capital that has already been spent. that will introduce into the fab by Q4, end of Q4. And we expect to see around, you know, a million of OPEX reduction from that over the course of 2026.
Great. That's helpful. And, you know, with this new partnership with Theom, who are they using previously, you know, for the same type of work they're going to be contracting the new JV for? Just, you know, curious on who you're... replacing there in that process?
Yeah, I think hard to say. That's more of a question for Theon. But our focus is developing new technology around our OLED, our micro LED, as well as some LCD technologies, quite frankly. I think LCD is still a very strong technology for thermal weapons sites based on its robustness. But our real goal is to take some of our application-specific solutions like Davos and Darkwave to production in Europe and build those systems in Europe. So that's the goal. I think Theon and Copen are very much aligned. The CEO of Theon, Christian, is very focused, very driven on keeping technology for Europe in Europe, and so am I. So I think that's the main goal for both companies. Great. Thanks, and congrats on that new development. Yeah, and one other point to make, Glenn, you know, when I started with the firm almost three years ago, we put a lot of effort into moving our OLED production line, if you recall, into Europe at that point in time. So now Copen is able to develop, design, and ship OLED from Europe to Europe, and to Greece, to Theon, without it touching the United States, which is a big advantage for Theon and our customers in Europe. So that proved to be a wise move for the firm. That's something that we will certainly support with Theon. And we will take the next step, which is building those application-specific solutions in Delghetti Bay for Theon and for other customers. And again, that will increase our utilization rate and decrease costs in Delghetti Bay. Great.
Thanks again, Michael, for the call. Take care. Yep. Thanks, Len.
It appears we have no further questions at this time. I will now turn the program back over to Michael Murray for any additional or closing remarks.
Thank you, Operator. Thank you all for joining the call today. Whether the application is a weapon site, a helmet-mounted display, or a high refresh display in armored vehicles, the goal is the same, to increase the safety of the soldier using it. We take that responsibility seriously, and that's one of the reasons we have focused on partnering with tier one defense contractors. And that's why we are the sole source provider of micro displays for several programs of record within the Department of Defense. And moreover, this new partnership with Theon is truly a transformational note for the company in our milestone and our progress and our evolution. Thank you all for joining. I look forward to speaking with you next quarter.
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