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spk01: Good afternoon. Thank you for joining us today to discuss LifeMD's fourth quarter and full year 2020 results ended December 31st, 2020. Joining us today is the Chief Executive Officer of LifeMD, Justin Schreiber, and Chief Companies Chief Financial Officer, Mark Benison. Following their remarks, we'll open the call to your questions. And before we conclude today's call, I'll provide some important cautions regarding the forward-looking statements made by management during the call. I'd like to remind everyone that today's call is being recorded and will be made available for the telecom replay via instructions in today's press release, which is available in the investor relations section of the company's website. And now I'd like to turn the call over to LifeMD CEO, Justin Schreiber. Please go ahead.
spk04: Thank you, Christy, and good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for joining us today. 2020 was an incredible year for telemedicine and a stellar year for LifeMD. our top line grew by nearly 200% to a record $37.3 million. Adding back $917,000 in deferred revenue we lost due to our record level of subscriptions, adjusted sales totaled $38.2 million for the year. And we ended 2020 exceptionally strong, with December revenues hitting a monthly record of $5.2 million, up 316% over December of the previous year. In fact, December 2020 alone equips the entire fourth quarter of 2019. 2020 was also a year of unprecedented change caused by the pandemic. Despite the challenges and heartbreaks, perhaps one silver lining to the pandemic is how it catalyzed the rapid expansion and evolution of the telehealth industry for the benefit and well-being of consumers. And we have evolved and expanded along with it. from a branded telemedicine product company into a leading provider of end-to-end concierge telehealth products and services. Our recent name change from Conversion Labs to LifeMD reflects this evolution. Ever since we embarked upon this journey two years ago, our vision has always been to radically change healthcare by making access to the best physicians, diagnosis, and treatment easily accessible, convenient, and affordable. From discreetly treating men's sexual health and men's and women's care loss to the upcoming rollout of our new teledermatology and concierge telehealth services, LifeMD is now at the forefront of the telehealth revolution, improving healthcare for countless Americans. Now, with the first quarter of 2021 nearly closed, we continue to expect more than $17 million in revenue for the quarter, which would be up more than 30% sequentially and up 295% compared to the same year-ago quarter. All of this growth reflects the huge investments we've made in the second half of last year, and especially in the fourth quarter to scale our platform and capture new customers and market share. This has driven record levels of new subscribers and net orders in our telemedicine business. In fact, our subscription rate for new telemedicine orders has grown from 20% early last year to now more than 91%, and we believe these new subscribers are worth far more than the investment we made to acquire them. This also means that our traditionally reported annual recurring revenue from subscriptions is now nearly the same as our top-line annual run rate, with our top-line run rate currently exceeding $75 million based on March's estimated results. As remarkable as this growth and market expansion has been, we believe we've only begun to scratch the surface of what we see as a $600 billion and growing addressable market opportunity. And to capture more of this fast-growing market, we are planning to launch additional telehealth products and services throughout the year that we expect will further strengthen our high-growth outlook. But before getting more into these new offerings and our outlook for 2021, I'd like to turn the call over to our CFO, Mark Benison, who will take us through the financial details for the quarter and the year. I'm going to deviate from the script for a moment to formally welcome Mark to our first earnings call. We talk a lot about the amazing marketing and operations team that we have at LifeMV, which we believe is one of our main competitive advantages. However, having Mark on board as our CFO is truly game-changing for the company and our shareholders, and I'm extremely confident that the expertise and experience Mark brings to the table will allow LifeMD to achieve a lot more than we otherwise would have if we didn't have him on the team. So welcome aboard, Mark, and go ahead. Thank you, Justin, and good afternoon, everyone. It has been about a month since I joined LifeMD, and I could not be more impressed by the energy and passion of the entire team. And this has been evident in the phenomenal growth the company has been driving over the past year. Like Justin, I truly believe we have only begun to scratch the surface of LifeMD's long-term potential. As Justin mentioned, 2020 was a record year marked by substantial growth across all of our products and services. Revenue in the fourth quarter of 2020 totaled a record $12.9 million, up 227% from the fourth quarter of 2019. The growth was primarily driven by a 293% increase in telehealth net revenues to $10.3 million. Our PBS Simply subsidiary contributed net revenue of $2.6 million, up 96% from the year-ago quarter, including $917,000 in year-end deferred revenue associated with recurring subscriptions, total adjusted revenue on a non-GAAP basis, would have been $13.8 million for the fourth quarter of 2020. Annual recurring revenue, or ARR, from subscriptions at December 31, 2020, reached a record $53.3 million, up 443% compared to the end of 2019. As of today, we estimate our ARR from subscriptions has increased to $75.9 million, up 267% year-over-year. We calculate ARR from subscriptions by multiplying by 12 the monthly sum of revenue attributed exclusively to subscription sales. We don't consider single sales to customers that purchase products through the company's regular checkout pages, third-party online marketplaces, or involving the assistance of a customer service representative. Beginning with the reporting of these fourth quarter and full year 2020 results, This calculation includes revenue from the initial purchase of patients who signed up under a recurring subscription plan. We believe this more accurately represents the current annualized value of our subscription customers. For future reporting periods, we are evaluating and looking at introducing additional alternative metrics for tracking our performance. Gross profit in the fourth quarter increased 184% to $8.9 million. compared to $3.1 million in the same year-ago quarter. Gross profit as a percentage of revenue in the fourth quarter of 2020 decreased to 69.1% from 79.6% in the same year-ago quarter. However, the decrease was primarily due to a change in mix of product sales and inventory write-off associated with legacy products, excluding the impact of this non-cash write-off, adjusted gross margin on a non-GAAP basis for the fourth quarter of 2020 would have been 76.1%. Operating expense in the fourth quarter of 2020 was $41.2 million, up from $3.7 million in the same year-ago quarter. The increase was primarily due to increases of selling and marketing expenses of $15.2 million, as well as general and administrative expenses of $21.7 million, other operating expenses of $479,000, customer services expenses of $66,000, and development costs of $93,000. The increase in general and administrative expenses was primarily due to $20.1 million in non-cash stock-based compensation and amortization. The majority of the stock-based compensation was related to performance targets achieved during the quarter that had been granted to to the founders of the company in prior years. The non-cash cost basis of these awards was set at the price of the company's shares at the time of their issuance, which had hit record levels during the fourth quarter. The substantial increase in expenses also reflects our strategic acceleration of investment in patient acquisition and expanding market share as consumers sought out their telemedicine options in record numbers during the period. The result of this investment has positioned us very well for elevated growth in 2021 and beyond due to a nearly 200% increase in new patients in the fourth quarter alone, with about 90% of these new patients signing up for recurring subscription plans. As Justin mentioned, our subscription rate for new telemedicine orders has increased from 20% early last year to currently more than 91%. And based on our analysis, the substantial investments we have made to acquire these committed subscribers have demonstrated a high ROI. Our GAAP net loss, attributable to common stockholders for the fourth quarter, totaled $32.3 million, or $2.56 per share. This compares to a net loss attributable to common stockholders of $712,000, or $0.09 per share, in the fourth quarter of 2019. In addition to the stock-based compensation, our net loss for the fourth quarter of 2020 included other substantial non-cash or financing-related charges, such as interest expense of $355,000, combined democratization expenses of $48,000, non-cash expenses associated with legacy warrant settlements of $914,000, non-cash inventory write-off for legacy products of $903,000, accrued interest of $90,000, and financing transactions expense of $175,000. Adjusted EBITDA non-GAAP term, which factors out these terms, totaled a loss of $9.7 million in the fourth quarter of 2020. This compares to adjusted EBITDA of $492,000 in the same year-ago quarter. Now turning to the full year of 2020. Revenue for the full year increased 199% to a record $37.3 million up from the $12.5 million in 2019. The increase in revenue was attributable to both the increase in telehealth net revenues of 208% to $30.6 million and an increase in PDF simply net sales of 165% to $6.7 million. Including $917,000 in year-end deferred revenue associated with recurring subscriptions Total adjusted revenue on a non-GAAP basis was $38.2 million for the full year. Gross profit increased 185% to $28.4 million, with gross profit as a percentage of revenue decreasing to 76.1% from 79.7% in 2019. The decrease was primarily due to inventory adjustments associated with legacy products as well as due to the mix of products sold. Excluding the non-cash inventory adjustments of $2.1 million, adjusted gross profit on a non-GAAP basis for the full year of 2020 was $30.5 million, or 81.8% as a percentage of revenue. Our operating expense for the full year of 2020 totaled $86.2 million, which was up from $12.8 million in 2019. The increase was primarily due to increases of selling and marketing expenses of $32.8 million as well as general and administrative expenses of $39.8 million, other expenses of $442,000, customer service expenses of $146,000, and development costs of $224,000. General and administrative expenses for the full year also included non-cash stock-based compensation of $37 million. Like with our expense increase for the fourth quarter, the increase for the year reflects our strategic acceleration of investment in patient acquisition and securing market share as consumers sought out their telemedicine options in record numbers during the year. Our gas med loss attributable to common stockholders for the full year of 2020 was $63.4 million, or $444 per share, as compared to a net loss attributable to common stockholders of $3.1 million, or $0.32 per share. The net loss for the full year of 2020 included certain non-cash or financing-related charges, such as interest expense and accrued interest of $514,000, amortization expense of $1.2 million, warrant settlements of $914,000, financing transactions of $237,000, acceleration of debt discounts of $500,000, inventory adjustments that are non-cash of $2.1 million, non-cash deemed distributions of $4.7 million, and stock-based compensation expense of $37 million. Adjusted EBITDA, which factors out these items, totaled a loss of $16.3 million in the full year of 2020 compared to a loss of $685,000 in 2019. Now turning to our balance sheet. Cash totaled $9.2 million at December 31, 2020, as compared to $917,000 at September 30, 2020. The increase was primarily due to a private placement with net proceeds of $14.9 million, completed in November 2020. We believe our current cash position and available funds provide the company with ample liquidity to meet our current needs and plans for growth. In the coming quarter or two, we are planning to enhance our liquidity significantly further through non-dilutive means, and we are actively engaged in this endeavor. We believe greater liquidity will enable us to further accelerate our growth and expand our market share at this pivotal time with the rapid growth and expansion of the telemedicine industry at unprecedented levels. This wraps up our financial results. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Justin. Thanks, Mark. Clearly, the growth we've been experiencing over this past year has been incredible. We nearly tripled our top line in 2020, and now just three months into the new year, we are hitting an annualized revenue run rate of more than $75 million. Our growing recurring revenue stream from subscriptions now represents about 91% of our total revenue. Given that nearly all of our customers are now on a subscription product, either monthly or quarterly, we have much greater visibility into our revenue and future growth rates. We are seeing 2021 already on track to be another record-setting year, even if we fully discount the contribution from new products and brand launches during the year. Our increasing momentum throughout 2020 and into the new year reflects how our telehealth platform has been able to provide accessible healthcare to a rapidly growing number of patients across the country. To date, between just our RexMD and ShapiraMD brands, We treated over 300,000 patients and customers nationwide. Given the many major milestones we achieved in 2020, we now have a foundation for continuing strong growth with a differentiated telehealth business model that offers patients convenient and affordable access to healthcare services, as well as prescription and over-the-counter medications. One of these major milestones in 2020 was the official launch of our LifeMD digital telehealth platform, that represents the culmination of years of development by experts in technology, medicine, and regulatory affairs. Owning our own robust and flexible end-to-end telehealth platform allows us to offer highly customized and targeted telemedicine offerings, which results in better patient care and high levels of satisfaction among our patients. It also gives us the ability to quickly test, launch, and scale new telemedicine offerings. Such offerings include our new teledermatology brand and clinic for women, NavaMD, which we are planning to launch in the coming weeks. NavaMD will initially offer virtual treatment for many common dermatological conditions, such as acne, rosacea, hyperpigmentation, and signs of aging. In addition to prescription products, we signed a key exclusive licensing agreement in 2020 with Distorsi, a leading medical-grade skin care technology platform. It includes patented medical-grade over-the-counter products for treating these prevalent skin conditions. Integrating and restoring these clinically proven technology into our NAVA MD offerings represents a major competitive advantage for us as we enter this high-growth market segment. We have also been finalizing the rollout plan and technology infrastructure for our subscription-based primary care and concierge telehealth services, which will be offered under the LifeMD brand. We believe LifeMD's concierge care offering will revolutionize the way our patients access a healthcare provider, enhance their healthcare experience, and dramatically strengthen our ability to positively impact their long-term health. The platform will combine a low-cost prescription drug offering, discounted access to all of our cash-paid telemedicine offerings, and on-demand access to the same doctor. While the offering will initially be launched in the U.S., we believe it has a global appeal given the high regard for U.S. medical professionals and treatment in international markets. While the rapid emergence of telemedicine reflects a major shift in patient preference for virtual care, it has also begun to disrupt the traditional healthcare commercialization model. Pharmaceutical, medical device, and diagnostic companies will have to adjust their commercial models accordingly. We see this opening up new direct-to-consumer joint venture and partnership opportunities for life and death, and further enhancing our value proposition. These are clearly unprecedented times for the healthcare and telemedicine industry. The stage of the telemedicine industry today is reminiscent of the beginning of the e-commerce era. There were many winners and losers, but the biggest winners were those who made the biggest and timely investments in customer acquisition, customer care, and market share, like Amazon and eBay. We are at a similar stage with virtual healthcare and telemedicine, with the industry still very much in its nascent stage. We have the opportunity to become the 800-pound gorilla in the space, like Amazon is to e-commerce and eBay to online auctions, and this is our vision. We recognize that the future of our company and our fulfillment of this vision will be determined by how our patients and customers experience our telehealth brands and services and how loyal they'll become to our offerings as a result. So, we have and will continue to invest heavily in recruiting, training, and deploying the best people and professionals across our physician network, clinical support team, and customer service center. We will also continue to deploy the strongest marketing campaigns to capture new subscribers and market share. The $14 million strategic private placement we completed in February supports our aggressive growth initiatives for 2021, including further scaling the size and reach of our digital health ecosystem, launching our concierge telehealth service, expanding our suite of brands for men's and women's health, and accelerating overall customer acquisition. We are preparing to launch treatments for new indications under our existing popular telehealth brands, RexMD and ShapiroMD. They have been carefully designed to serve the evolving needs of our patients and especially attract new patients to our platforms. We are now at a stage where we have strong cash flow being generated by a large subscriber base. And besides our need to extend for new customer acquisition, which has a strong ROI, we run a pretty tight ship. So we believe we are now in a strong position to secure additional growth capital as needed through non-dilutive or mostly non-dilutive means, as Mark mentioned earlier in the call. Given our visibility in the future performance provided by our high level of subscription revenue for the full year 2021, we are forecasting revenue in the range of $85 to $95 million. This would represent an increase of 128% to 155% over 2020. Looking ahead, we are confident more than ever that our LifeMD telemedicine platform will continue to drive tremendous growth and opportunities. and especially greater shareholder value over the months and years to come. Now with that, we'd like to open the call to your questions. Christy?
spk01: Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question at this time, please press star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you're calling from a speakerphone, please make sure your mute function is off to ensure your signal can reach our equipment. Again, star one to ask a question. And first we'll go to David Larson from BTIG. Your line is open.
spk03: Hey, guys. Congratulations on a good quarter. Can you maybe talk a little bit more about the subscription component of the business? Obviously, the revenue coming from subscription services has increased significantly as a percentage of total. Just how exactly does that work, please? And what's actually included in that subscription? Is it $200 a month? Is it $200 a year? And then what do your customers actually get with that? Thanks.
spk04: Thanks, David. Mark, would you like to take that? Yes, absolutely. So most of this prescription revenue and all of it on the telehealth side business today is product-driven. So what the customers get is if they're on the prescription side, say on Rex or on the OTC or prescription side on Shapiro, they get the products that they need for their given diagnosis. They will get that subscription every month. shipped to their door, we charge them on a recurring basis. Alternatively, we also do offer three-month subscription options where you will get a three-month supply and then you will get billed every three months. But it's truly recurring revenue in nature where we bill a customer on a recurring basis every month. It's auto-shipped, auto-charged.
spk03: Okay, great. So it's a subscription to the product over the course of, say, a year, for example, and the member is charged on a consistent and regular basis and shipped to them like every quarter, every month.
spk04: That's correct, David. This is Justin. And it's, you know, essentially the patient or the customer is either paying a monthly or quarterly fee, which is all inclusive of, you know, the treatment that our physicians provide, right, and you know, the product, whether it be prescription or LTC that, you know, the patient or customer is receiving from us.
spk03: Okay. Great. Thanks. And then can you maybe talk a little bit more about the incremental service lines that are going to be developed and deployed over the coming months, like dermatology, mental health, cholesterol? Which ones do you think can drive the most revenue for you, and which ones are you most excited about?
spk04: Yeah, so, I mean, David, The two that we're really excited about, first of all, you know, we launched in the last couple weeks, you know, a compounded topical drug offering, you know, that's prescribed by a physician, which, you know, is sold in combination, you know, or given to patients in combination with our patented, you know, shampoo and conditioner products for hair loss. And the initial data from that is very, very strong, even stronger than when we initially launched our first RECS offers. So we're very encouraged about that. We think that there's a very big opportunity in female hair loss. It's very difficult for women to get to a dermatologist for treatment, these indications. And so we're very optimistic about that offering this year. And then, you know, we're launching this week, actually, we're going to soft launch our NAVA MD dermatology offerings, which, again, we don't have data on because we haven't launched that, but we've closely followed, you know, some of our peers with very similar products. So, I mean, we believe that, you know, that's going to be a meaningful contributor to growth this year as well. And then, look, for competitive reasons, I'd rather not – speak specifically on other indications that we plan to launch in this year, but I'll just say generically that we're looking at several other markets that we think are a perfect fit for direct-to-consumer telemedicine. Total addressable markets are massive, you know, even bigger than erectile dysfunction and hair loss, and We are very, very excited, you know, to launch another, in addition to scaling the hair loss and launching the derm business and adding indications, additional indications for men's health under XMD. We're very excited to prove out another one or two indications this year in massive markets. So more to come on some other areas, David.
spk03: Okay, and then just one more from me. Can you talk a little bit about the primary care and concierge solution that you're going to be bringing to market? Any more detail around that would be very helpful. I think I heard in your prepared comments, you said that members and patients will have sort of immediate access or direct access to the same physician on a sort of consistent basis. Just any more color around that would be helpful. Like will you be employing those doctors? Will those come from a sort of rented network initially or what the monthly fee will be for those patients would be very helpful. And then also if those members need a referral into an acute care system, do you have any sort of longer-term plans for developing those types of provider networks? Thank you.
spk04: Yeah. So to start, to provide a little bit more detail on the LifeMD offering, you know, LifeMD is going to be a cash pay, subscription-based, you know, concierge care offering. We anticipate it's a range of price from $50 to $150 a month for, you know, more integrative care or a provider that specializes in integrative medicine. You know, we see LifeMD as, you know, being an incredible thing for our patients long-term. You know, that was the genesis or the concept. It was like, look, we're bringing in large numbers of patients for these condition-specific treatments, whether it be erectile dysfunction, hair loss, dermatology, weight loss, whatever it is, right? We have a large number of patients that's coming in, you know, to the door every single day. And initially, my thinking was, our thinking was, what can we do to impact positively the long-term health of these patients in a more profound way other than treating them for this initial condition? And when you kind of combine that thinking with the fact that most Americans are on high-deductible health plans where it's oftentimes expensive for them to access prescription medications or even to go see a primary care physician, we believe that many of these patients that are already on our platform for condition-specific treatment would love to pay $50 or $100 a month, some of them more, to have, in essence, a doctor in the family, to be able to pick up the phone when something's wrong and they want to talk to the doctor, to be able to get a prescription refilled. And in addition to providing that ongoing care for these patients for a small monthly cash fee that everybody can afford, You know, we also can provide these patients heavily discounted generic drugs. We can provide them heavily discounted labs. We can offer them discounts on a lot of these different, you know, more lifestyle, you know, treatments that are cash pay, things like ED, things like weight loss. So, you know, the net amount that the patient is actually paying to have this incredible, you know, concierge service, you know, with a long-term relationship with the same doctor is You know, we look at it as being affordable to every American. We think if we present it in the right way, it's going to be very popular. As far, David, as, you know, thinking about the brick and mortar or referral relationships, you know, to specialists, you know, we think that as we scale this platform and start to put patients on the platform, you know, we think that there are going to be a lot of opportunities for us to partner with, you know, regional kind of brick and mortar networks, right, that, you know, obviously are going to want, you know, and specialists, right, that are going to want to treat those patients. So initially, right, we haven't lined that up. We've spoken with some different groups that have expressed an interest as a business scale. We have, you know, no interest in building that out, right? I mean, we believe that, you know, we know that we can treat you know, most of the things that these patients need to see a doctor for, you know, in a virtual setting. And so the plan is to, you know, to refer patients to, you know, to partners, right, when they need to go, you know, and see a doctor in person. Is that helpful? Is there anything that I missed?
spk03: Nope. That's actually very helpful. I have yet to meet an acute care hospital system that would decline incoming referrals from a virtual setting. primary care practice. So it makes sense to me. Thanks very much. I'll hop back in the queue.
spk04: Yeah, and one thing I'll mention, David, that I forgot to emphasize, we're building a great technology platform, you know, that's similar to, you know, the kind of one medicals of the world, right, that would, you know, integrate, you know, in one place all the patient's lab work, all of their kind of medical history with us, pull in all their medical records, when they're initially on board under the platform. And so we're really excited to launch that. We're aiming to launch that this summer. And, you know, also something to think about, right, it also really encourages or enables us to be able to offer, you know, other condition-specific treatments to, you know, to patients within our system. So, you know, for instance, you know, once you come into LifeMD as an MD patient, you'll obviously be able to access treatment from Shapiro for hip loss or anything in the family of LifeMD brands. So we think it will really pull everything that we're doing nicely together and then be a great way for us to develop a longer-term relationship with our patients.
spk03: Great. Thanks very much.
spk01: And again, if you'd like to ask a question, please press store, followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. Next, we'll go to Andrew DeSilva from B. Reilly Securities. Your line is open.
spk02: Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. Just to start, I have a couple quick bookkeeping ones. As it relates to your share count, is there a reason your 2020 share count for the four years listed is higher than your fourth quarter 2020 share count?
spk04: I'm not sure about that, Andy. I'd have to check and get back to you. I mean, if it is, it sounds like it was an error.
spk02: Okay. I wasn't sure if there was some sort of a road of action or buyback or something I missed, but okay, that's fine. And then could you just discuss advise as you entered 2021 and what kind of benefits are you seeing post-election? And I'd also just be curious if you could let us know How would you think about modeling overhead tied to the call center?
spk04: Sure. Overall, we've seen, you know, the fourth quarter, you know, especially, you know, before the election, coming to the holidays was a very expensive, you know, time for media. You know, our media costs were at least double a lot of the time from what they were earlier in the year, and they've come down considerably in 2021. Also, we've seen a lot, we've been able to realize a lot of operational efficiencies, and we've found a lot of other kind of optimization areas where we've been able to optimize our advertising and our checkout processes and other systems that have helped us to you know, put downward pressure, you know, on our overall acquisition costs. So, you know, I don't know the exact number, Andy, but our, you know, acquisition costs, you know, even at most scale this quarter are, you know, significantly lower, you know, than they were in the fourth quarter of last year. Mark, I don't know if you want to provide any additional, any additional comments on that. Yeah, no, no. You know, in general, we're seeing strong returns on the advertising spend. We're significantly lower, as Justin mentioned, than quarter one. What we're typically seeing is from the cohorts that we've had that have been in existence for 12 months or more is that we're paying back on that initial advertising investment within the first three to four months, and we're more than doubling our money within the first 12 months. So those are strong returns, and as you carry that forward and we continue to get more and more tenure with those subscribers. And I would also remind you this was pre-us transitioning a lot of folks to the subscription model. We expect to see very substantial long-term returns. Okay. And any sort of color on the call center? Yeah. I mean, the call center, without really saying the exact statistics, we are receiving a strong return on investment. We're seeing the good uptick. For competitive reasons, we don't necessarily share exact specifics, but what I would say is ever since the first month that we got it up and running, we are seeing a strong return on investment each month. As far as growth, I mean, the call center has about a 250 C capacity, and we're going to grow our capabilities there as long as it makes sense, but it's also going to produce incremental revenue, so... it would be more than a wash from the financial modeling standpoint. Okay. I think an important thing to point out is if we look at where CPAs are now, even as we're scaling, we see a massive, massive opportunity even in the EV market to continue to really grow our business throughout this year and you know, probably beyond. Sometimes it's silly to make projections two or three years out, but, you know, I really want to emphasize to everybody on the call that, I mean, CPAs are, you know, there's a lot of opportunity here, even in these initial markets, especially in erectile dysfunction. We're continuing to tighten the business. You know, we've brought in a lot of talent, you know, both in the marketing side, on the patient service side, and We're really encouraged by what's happening in that business and even what we're going to see growth-wise over the next couple of quarters. I can't emphasize that enough.
spk02: Okay, very good. That makes sense. I heard one of you just reference acquisition costs being recouped in about three to four months and doubling over a year timeframe. So when we look at... sales and marketing expense, for example, in the fourth quarter, is that kind of the base that you're taking that off of, or is it a little bit more segmented or nuanced as far as, you know, the proportion of that sales and marketing that you're attributing to consumer acquisition costs that would be recouped into that kind of a timeframe?
spk04: Yeah, no, it's taken off of that metric. At the end of the day, the sales and marketing expense that we're spending is obviously driven by that position. And I'd actually expect that the turnaround investment that we spoke about to have the potential to increase over time, predominantly due to the fact that we're obviously converted mostly to subscription revenue, which was something that wasn't present last year. And then secondly, as we start to look at licensee rolling out this concierge model, and we have greater ability to sell cross-brand, to upsell, and to retain people through a combo service product offering. You should actually see that return on investment improving more in the future, and those other thousand dollars go even further.
spk02: Okay, great. And this last question for me, as it relates to PDF Simply, can you discuss the cadence there? That segment actually seems to be growing faster than we were at modeling. I'm just curious how much of, say, the first quarter's $17 million expectation we should kind of earmark this PD assembly.
spk04: It's very consistent with what you're seeing in the fourth quarter. At the end of the day, it is continuing to grow by very high double digits, very low triple digits. Suffice to say, it's lower than the growth rate of the significant triple digits that we're seeing in powerhouse, but you can think about it relatively similarly to how you would think about the fourth quarter, maybe a little, yeah, very similar.
spk03: Okay, great. Thank you very much. Thanks for letting me forward.
spk04: Thanks, Andy.
spk01: And at this time, this concludes our question and answer session. I'd now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Schreiber. Please go ahead.
spk04: Thanks, everyone, for joining us on our call today and all the great questions. I'd like to give special thanks to our new shareholders who have recently invested in us and the new analysts who begin to follow LFMD. We very much appreciate your support and participation in our amazing journey. Many more exciting things to come, that's for sure. which we look forward to reporting on our Q1 call, which is coming up soon. Meanwhile, be well and stay healthy. Christy, let's go ahead and wrap up the call.
spk01: Thank you. Before we conclude today's call, I would like to provide the company's safe harbor statements that include important questions regarding forward-looking statements made during today's call. The information that the company has provided in this conference call includes forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933, and Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as amended regarding, among other things, the company's plans, strategies, and prospects, both business and financial. While the company believes that its plans, intentions, and expectations that are reflected in or suggested by these forward-looking statements are reasonable, the company cannot assure you that it will achieve or realize these plans, intentions, or expectations. Forward-looking statements are inherently subject to risks, uncertainties, and assumptions. Many of the forward-looking statements made during this conference call may be identified by the use of forward-looking words such as believe, expect, anticipate, should, planned, will, may, intend, estimated, and potential, among others. Important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from the forward-looking statements made during this conference call include market conditions and those set forth in reports or documents that the company files from time to time with the United States Securities and Exchange Commission. All forward-looking statements attributable to LifeMD Incorporated or a person acting on its behalf are expressly qualified in their entirety by this cautionary language. Before we end today's conference call, I would like to remind everyone that this call will be available for replay starting later this evening. Please refer to today's earnings release for dial-in replay instructions available via the company's website at www.lifemd.com. Thank you for joining us today, and this concludes the conference call. You may now disconnect.
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