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Operator
Good morning and welcome to the fourth quarter and full year 2023 LifeWord earnings conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing star then zero on your telephone keypad. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mike Lawless, CFO of LifeWord. Please go ahead.
Mike Lawless
Thank you, Drew. Good morning and welcome to LifeWord's fourth quarter 2023 earnings call. I'm Mike Lawless, LifeWord's Chief Financial Officer, and with me on today's call is Larry Jasinski, our Chief Executive Officer. Earlier this morning, LifeWord issued a press release detailing our financial results for the three months and full year ended December 31, 2023. The press release and a webcast of this call can be accessed through the investor relations section of the LifeWord website at golifeword.com. Before we get started, I would like to remind everyone that any statements made on today's conference call that express a belief, expectation, projection, forecast, anticipation, or intent regarding future events, and the company's future performance may be considered forward-looking statements within the meaning of the private securities litigation or format. These forward-looking statements are based on information available to lifeboard management as of today and involve risks and uncertainties, including those noted in our press release and our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance. Actual results may differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. LifeWorks specifically disclaims any intent or obligation to update these forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future developments, or otherwise, except as required by law. A replay will be available shortly after the completion of the call, accessible from the dial-in information in today's press release. The archived webcast will be available in the Investor Relations section of our website. For the benefit of those who may be listening to the replay or an archived webcast, This call was held and recorded on February 27, 2024. Since that date, LifeWord may have made subsequent announcements related to topics discussed. So please reference the company's most recent press releases and SEC filings for the most up-to-date information. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Larry. Go ahead.
Mike Lawless
Thank you, Mike. Good day to all. 2023 was a very successful year, achieving milestones that have set us up for exciting growth and expansion. Our investment and success in gaining Medicare payment for exoskeletons, acquisition of commercially successful and highly innovative anti-gravity products, the strategic building of a scalable organization with combined talent of the new entity, LifeWorks, and ongoing technology leadership with new products are the key milestones of 2023. We believe 2024 is our year to capitalize on these achievements as we will move forward with our sales strategy. In addition to revenue growth, we are poised to leverage our existing operations to minimize our cost that puts us on a path to profitability in 2026. The key highlights for 2023 and the fourth quarter include a 151% increase in annual revenue to $13.9 million in 2023, a 216% increase in Q4 revenue to $6.9 million from prior year Q4, the rebranding of the company as LifeWord to reflect our vision and mission, Integration of the commercial and operational resources of the former Rewalk and Altergy businesses to unify the teams and leverage the inherent strengths of both organizations, resulting in $3 million in annual net savings to be realized in 2024. A public presentation at the November 29th HCPCS session where we stated our case for higher price reimbursement due to the advancements in technology since our original application in 2019. Importantly, we achieved a Medicare reimbursement structure for the Rewalk Personal Exoskeleton in 2023. We also built internal infrastructure to meet requirements to process Medicare claims. We developed and gained FDA clearance for breakthrough products for stair and curb climbing technology and moved forward with innovative new designs of anti-gravity technology to launch mid-2024 and afterward. Now, as we turn to 2024, final pricing for our breakthrough exoskeletons is expected in the coming weeks and will take effect on April 1st, 2024. In preparation, we have completed roughly 35 submissions to date and plan to submit another 60 to 75 claims over the course of 2024. As clinician support develops, we intend to expand our supporting infrastructure appropriately. Both the pace and success of our submissions for reimbursement will define the rate of growth for exoskeletons in the last three quarters of 2024 and into 2025. For 2024, with our AlterG anti-gravity systems, we are preparing for a mid-year launch of a new system designed specifically for the needs of smaller private practice clinics where we see opportunity for growth. Across late 2020, 2023 and early 2024, we completed reorganizing as a single operating entity with the name LifeWord. How do we describe LifeWord? We're not just selling products, we're driving a movement. LifeWord exists to break barriers, redefine possibilities, and to guide individuals towards horizons they might have deemed unreachable. LifeWord is not just a name, it's a call to action and an invitation to refine what's possible. LifeWord aspires to become the unrivaled global leader in pioneering life-changing solutions. And our mission is to relentlessly drive innovation to change the lives of people with physical limitations or disabilities by improving their daily lives. Our values are best summed up as being driven, optimistic, empathetic, savvy, and results-focused. We will offer solutions in the form of multiple product offerings that match our mission and to operate as a profitable growing entity. How will we change the organization? I can say that we have scaled our capabilities to support our growth and penetration goals. In the field, we now have a single sales organization of 18 direct sales individuals covering the U.S., Canada, and Germany. We've doubled our supporting field clinical staff, have a U.S. network of over 30 field service providers, along with 19 distributors in the EU and 22 distributors for the rest of the world. For internal customer support, we have a dedicated medical director, an internal clinical customer support team to help each inquiring Medicare patient or physician, have an experienced and structured reimbursement processing team and resources to maintain government, medical, and society affairs focus for industry development. We have quality and operations efforts to meet our targeted sales goals. With the combination of the two companies, we have an experienced senior management team in all key areas with a track record of success. Simply stated, we are ready to take on this commercial plan and to achieve our goals. Where will these Technological achievements, government policy successes, and new organization take us. First, they remain consistent with our skills and our mission. As innovative, life-changing products combined with exoskeleton coverage access in our two largest markets. We anticipate sales growth to achieve annual revenue of $28 to $32 million, depending on the pace and case acceptance level we achieve with Medicare. In parallel, we will reduce our operating loss each quarter in 2024 based on revenue growth, increasing gross margin contribution, gains from cost reduction efforts in 2023 and 2024, and synergistic leveraging of our expenses with a broader product offering. We forecast reaching profitability on our current cash in 2026. I'd now like to turn the call over to Mike Lovis for more financial detail. Mike?
Mike Lawless
Thanks, Larry. Before I review the financial results, I want to remind everyone that our fourth quarter GAAP results include various costs and expenses related to the acquisition of AlterG, which can obscure visibility to the underlying operational performance of LifeWord. In order to facilitate understanding of both the GAAP results and the operational results of LifeWord, I want to discuss our performance in the fourth quarter of 2023 on both a GAAP and non-GAAP basis, which excludes the purchase accounting adjustments, transaction expenses, restructuring charges, rebranding and integration costs, inventory charge, and stock compensation expense. The reconciliation of the non-gap-to-gap results is provided in today's earnings release, and I encourage you to reference these tables as I discuss the financials. All right, moving to revenue. LIPO reported revenue of $6.9 million in the fourth quarter of 2023, compared to $2.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2022, up $4.7 million, or over 200%. The increase in revenue is attributable to the acquisition of Alter-G. Excluding Alter-G sales, the fourth quarter of 2023 revenue was $2.2 million, up $0.7 million sequentially from the third quarter of 2023, and in line with the $2.2 million reported in the fourth quarter of 2022. Rewalk exoskeleton revenue in Q4-23 was flat versus Q4-22 on the same number of units sold, while the revenue from the sale of MyoCycle FES training cycles declined slightly, but was offset with an increase of revenue from restore units. Turning to our pipeline metrics, our pace of active rentals consists of 24 cases, down two from last quarter, which is broken down with 21 in Germany and three VHA rentals. As of December 31, 2023, our overall number of re-walk cases in process was 70, with 49 in Germany and 21 in the U.S. We ended the quarter with orders for 46 Alter-G systems and backlog, which is lower than the backlog at the end of Q3 23 due to our internal focus on our commercial reorganization and integration activities. We expect the Alter-G backlog to return to higher levels in the coming quarters. As Larry discussed earlier, we expect to have submitted a cumulative 35 claims to Medicare by the end of February for reimbursement of Rewalk systems. To date, one of these claims has been paid, and we expect that more will begin to be processed and paid by the Medicare contractors in the near future. This revenue from Medicare will be added to the revenue from our traditional pipeline of VHA and workers' compensation cases. Moving to gross profit, in the fourth quarter of 2023, our GAAP gross profit was $2.4 million, or 35.5% of revenue, as compared to $0.7 million, or 30.9% of revenue, in the fourth quarter of 2022. On a non-GAAP basis, gross profit was $3.2 million, or 47% of revenue, for the fourth quarter of 2023, as compared to $52.8 for the fourth quarter of 2022. The fourth quarter, a year ago, had a very favorable mix of product sales and favorable material costs, which contributed to the higher gross margin. In Q4-23, Alter-G gross margin was accretive to the overall LifeWord consolidated gross margin. Moving to operating expenses. GAAP operating expenses were $8.6 million in the fourth quarter of 23, up $2.9 million, or 51%, compared to $5.7 million in Q4-22. Within the major OPEX categories, GAAP R&D expenses were $1.3 million in Q4-23 as compared to $1.1 million in Q4-22. On a non-GAAP basis, R&D expenses were $1.1 million and flat with the amount in the fourth quarter of 2022. Alter-G contributed $0.5 million in the most recent quarter, while the R&D expenses for Rewalk declined due to lower spending on subcontractors and consultants from the conclusion of the Stairs-Curbs project and reduction in spending on the REWALK7 project since we are at the final stage before FDA submission. Gap selling and marketing expenses were $4.8 million in Q4-23 as compared to $2.7 million in Q4-22. On a non-gap basis, selling and marketing expenses were $4 million, up $1.4 million, or 52%. The majority of this increase came from the addition of the Alter-G business, which contributed $1.3 million in selling and marketing expenses. The rest of the increase was primarily due to higher consulting and professional service fees associated with CMS reimbursement-related activity. GAAP general and administrative expenses were $2.4 million as compared to $1.9 million in the prior year's quarter. On a non-GAAP basis, G&A expenses were $1.9 million, up $0.3 million, or 17%. The addition of of the Alter-G business contributed to all of this increase, while G&A from the Rewalk business declined. Our GAAP operating loss for the fourth quarter was 6.1 million compared to an operating loss of 5 million in the fourth quarter of 22. The non-GAAP operating loss was 3.8 million in Q4-23 as compared to 4 million in Q4-22. The fourth quarter 2023 results also reflect a $1.1 million sequential improvement in the operating loss versus Q3-23. As was the case last quarter, the Alter-G business had a positive operating profit in Q4 and contributed to the improvement in the non-GAAP operating loss. Moving to the balance sheet. We ended the quarter with $28.1 million in cash and cash equivalents and no debts. Cash used in operations within Q4 was $4.4 million, which includes some transition and integration costs. Next, I want to provide an update on the status of our listing requirements for NASDAQ. As you know, back in October, we were notified by NASDAQ that our second grace period to regain compliance with the $1 bid price requirement had expired. We requested and received extensions from the NASDAQ hearings panel through March 31, 2024, based on the anticipated announcement of the final payment rates by CMS for exoskeletons, which we believe would provide the clarity and certainty investors are seeking and positively impact our stock price such that a reverse stock split would not be necessary. At this stage, there are no further extensions available for us under the NASDAQ listing rules. We continue to expect a favorable stock response once the final payment rate is announced by CMS, but the timing of this is uncertain relative to our NASDAQ compliance deadline. We have our contingency plans in place for our board to authorize a reverse stock split should the CMS announcement not take place in time for our deadline with NASDAQ. Okay, now moving to financial guidance. As a reminder, Medicare has still not provided a final payment rate for exoskeletons, nor do we have the timetable at which the Medicare claims will begin to be processed and paid by the MACs. These two factors have a significant influence on our potential 2024 results. The following guidance is our attempt to factor in the uncertainty related to these two variables with the appropriate conservativism. For the full year 2024, we expect revenues of between $28 to $32 million. The growth in revenue is driven by a full year's contribution from the Alter-G business augmented by a new product introduction that we expect in mid-2024 of a new entry-level model of the Alter-G. Additionally, we expect REWAP revenue will benefit from the expansion of the market coming from the new benefit category and payment rate by Medicare starting on April 1st. We expect non-GAAP gross margin to expand to the high 40% range driven by buying leverage from a higher level of shipments of re-lock devices and product cost improvements in the Alter-G systems. We expect non-GAAP operating expenses to decline from the fourth quarter 2023 run rate level, and our non-GAAP operating loss will be reduced to the lowest double-digit millions. We expect to exit 2024 with a significantly reduced quarterly operating loss, which provides visibility to achievement of future operating profits. Since we still have low visibility to the timing and pricing of Medicare payments, our guidance does not anticipate any Medicare revenue in Q1-24. Additionally, the first quarter is seasonally the lowest quarter of revenue for the Alter-G systems, and the new combined commercial team, which just came together in January, will also need time to achieve sales traction across the product portfolio. Taking these factors into account, we expect revenue in Q1-24 to be in the range of $5 million to $5.5 million. In the quarters that follow, we expect revenue will increase sequentially on Medicare claims beginning to be paid and the seasonal increase in Alter-G revenue supplemented by the new Alter-G product introduction expected in mid-2024. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Larry for further remarks.
Mike Lawless
Thank you, Mike. I would now like to provide more detail on our market goals, our ongoing technological advancements, our commercial operations, and our financial goals. First, the success of CMS is something we seek to build on in the U.S. market. We will work with CMS to optimize the submission process. In parallel, we will initiate interaction with U.S. private commercial payers and workman compensation groups to seek similar coverage as provided by CMS. These processes are a multi-year approach and we will update accordingly as they progress. Technology advancement is central to our mission and to our growth expectations. Mid-year, we plan to launch a new Ultra-G anti-gravity model, which has features and pricing specifically designed to address the needs of smaller clinics who have previously been unable to access anti-gravity technology as a treatment option for their patients due to limited budgets and other constraints. We see this as an underserved market where this design can advance penetration for these smaller clinics. We have also progressed on technology that expands clinical applications with new features for larger rehab centers. We have not yet established a specific launch date for this product, but seek to launch in 2025. The REWALK personal exoskeleton product line will soon be filing an FDA submission for a new iteration of the REWALK design. It is part of the constant advancement of adding new features and improvements from our extensive interaction with our users. The timing for this launch will be defined by the FDA clearance, and we are hopeful this launch will be able to occur in 2024. In addition, separate efforts are being made to establish our longer-term pipeline for advancements with exoskeletons, and we have incorporated artificial intelligence, or AI, into a functional prototype to improve usability and add new capabilities. This project is currently focused on testing and development, and a timeline for launch will be developed accordingly. For commercial execution, we are shifting our U.S. sales team's focus to be more physician-orientated as a key element for referrals and market development. This utilizes our larger sales team with deeper clinic-driven connections with the broader product offering. Marketing has organized supporting scientific material while working with our medical director to shift this to this more scalable approach. We will educate and assist the medical community to efficiently identify the eligible individuals who would benefit from Rewalk exoskeleton now that Medicare coverage is available. I would now like to address our operational direction for 2024. We expect revenue of $28 to $32 million and as CMS progresses with our current 35 submissions and the additional 60 to 75 that we will do this year. We will be able to better define the pace and impact on the reduction and eventual elimination of our operating loss as the year goes on. We will adjust and work to reduce our operating losses each quarter in 2024 with sales growths to obtain synergy from combined operations and increased activity to reduce the cost of goods and improve margins as part of the process as we gain volume. Our goal is profitability in 2026 on our current cash. We set many milestones in our strategic plan of these past few years, and we have successfully reached them. We are optimistic and confident that LifeWork can now achieve the dream of access to life-changing technology with parallel financial success. Thank you, everybody, for your time today. Operator, can we move to questions, please?
Operator
Yes. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then 1 on your telephone keypad. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then 2. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question comes from Swaya Ampakula Ramakumth with HC Wainwright. Please go ahead.
Alder G
Thank you. This is RK from Hitsy Wainwright. Good morning, Larry and Mike. A few questions from me. To start off on the CMS reimbursement, I initially thought that by the end of this month, we should have something in place. Is that still the expectation? What sort of communications are you having currently with CMS to ensure yourself that we'll have everything in place for April 1st, for it to be effective April 1st?
Mike Lawless
Our expectation is consistent in that we are expecting the rule to take place on April 1st, as it always has. We recognize with CMS that there were more than 30 categories of products in the 6-6 meeting, and we were one of those. So I think they have a lot of detail to answer to get all of the categories done, even though most of them have nothing to do with us. We're just a part of an overall package. So our confidence is very high. April 1st is our effective date. The timing, we also had expected it by now, and we anticipate it any day in order for the MACs to have time to implement the fee schedule into their systems. But I don't have it as of this call. But as soon as I do, you're going to see a press release.
Alder G
Thanks for that. And then I think at the end of last year, you know, you submitted or you successfully got the submission done to one of the MACs. and that actually gave us an indication of how you have set up your systems and they're going smooth. So beyond that, have there been any submissions between then and now? Are you holding up all your submissions till you get the final ruling?
Mike Lawless
No, we continued and restarted submissions on January 1st when it switched over to lump sum payment. So we did put them on hold in the latter part of Q4. And we will finish the end of February with a total, this will include the earlier ones, of about 35 submissions in. Roughly half of them here in the first part of this year. The other half were from last year. And again, our timing was simply, now we know at least all the later ones are under lump sum payment designation. And we will continue to build our pipeline to try to put in roughly 60 to 75 additional submissions this year.
Alder G
Okay, thank you. And then I want to see what commentary you have in terms of growth expectations in Germany and Europe in general. I did hear on the call you were saying that you have... about 18 or 19 sales folks out there, or distributors out there. So how are they helping you to grow the business in Europe?
Mike Lawless
Well, one of the primary advantages of the addition of the AlterD technologies is it built our network in Europe and Asia that we didn't have. So for the Alder G product line, now that they are fully focused on the field and no longer involved with this elements of the sale and acquisition, we expect that they are going to see reasonably good growth in the European and Asian markets through the size and scope of their distribution organization. For our direct team in Germany, We're optimistic on both sides that the Alter-G will continue to do well in Germany. It's been a very well-accepted product there. And we see the exoskeleton market beginning to grow in Germany well, as we see an increase of up to 50% year over year in Germany.
Alder G
Perfect. So my last set of questions on Alter-G. In general, what is the revenue dynamics as we go through the year? And then for the new product that you're planning to launch in mid-2024, what sort of a market is out there for that product? Thanks.
Mike Lawless
Mike, I'd ask you to start with the trends.
Mike Lawless
Yeah, so we expect that the sales of the Alter G systems will grow sequentially as we move through the year. That's typically been the historical pattern for that business. Whereas the Q1 is the lowest quarter and it gradually builds as we move through the year. I guess that's a function of the order patterns and the purchasing patterns of the customer base. But I think that will be particularly true this year. because of the fact that the introduction of the new MPI right around mid-year is when we're expecting that. So the second half of the year, we'll get the benefit of that new product introduction in addition to the normal seasonal growth that we typically see with that product line.
Mike Lawless
Okay, and regarding the new product, I'd step back for a second and remind you the ones that we're doing so well with with Altergy and entering a new segment is what we're excited about. But the product is extremely well accepted in the professional sports arena, and we expect that business to stay very steady. And we also have a healthy business in the larger rehab clinics. The area we've not been able to penetrate heavily is the smaller private practice places Because the features of the products we build into the pro sports, for example, are for 300-pound people that might run 15 miles an hour. And in the larger rehab clinics, we have a lot of other features and capability. But the smaller private practice clinics don't need that level of capability. They're not training pro athletes. They can really work well with an audience. So we have built the features around something that will allow us to begin to penetrate that segment which is about 15,000 clinics in the U.S. that is at this point really not penetrating. So it's rounding out us in all of the major markets where this technology could be used. So we're excited about it this year. We'll begin shipping this product right around mid-year, and it is a significant part of our growth and trajectory for AlterG.
Alder G
Thanks. Thanks. Thank you very much for taking all my questions. Good luck this year. Okay.
Operator
Again, if you have a question, please press star then 1. The next question comes from Ben Hainer with Alliance Global Partners. Please go ahead.
Ben Hainer
Good day, gentlemen. Thanks for taking the questions. Can you hear me okay? Yes. Great. Just wanted to check on the guidance for how much CMS revenue is included in that? Just kind of back of the envelope, if I look at it and say you've got 35 submissions in that you could get paid for, or you've got the 60 to 75 that you plan to put in this year, even at the preliminary figure, that could be high single-digit millions or even low double-digit millions. What's the right way to think about that? And I assume any CMS revenue that you do have in there is at the preliminary or slated model to be reimbursed at the preliminary reimbursement figure that's out there?
Mike Lawless
Yeah, hey, Ben and Larry. Yes, we have presently modeled this using a combination of our submissions we're making and the preliminary pricing, although we think that will be higher. So we have the 110 claims total, so the 35 already in place, the 75 new ones, at least that's our goal, 60 to 75, but we expect around 100 or more claims or submissions. The percentage that we are looking for in payment for 2024, the reason we gave a range, it's somewhere between 10 and about 40% we think will be paid in 2024 calendar year, and we believe the balance will be played, you know, in the 2025 period. So this is partially building our pipeline for 2025. We're being conservative in our estimates because we can't completely predict the pace of things with CMS, and that's how we built it.
Ben Hainer
So there's upside if that 10 to 40 percent proportion is higher, and obviously if the reimbursement figure is higher. Is that right? Is that fair?
Mike Lawless
Yeah, we'll take a sale whenever we can get it, so yes.
Ben Hainer
Okay, fair enough. And then you mentioned kind of refocusing or focusing the sales force more on position referrals. Can you kind of walk us through you know, a typical patient journey as it stands today, to get a personal home unit, and then how that might change, you know, over the course of this year as CMS changes take effect?
Mike Lawless
Well, the definition and activities by CMS will help us a lot. I'll kind of look backwards. Most of our work over the past few years has been very patient-driven. We would have a patient and help qualify that patient for with our clinical team and then help them through the system. But our referrals really came from patients that really just desperately wanted the benefits of this technology. The physician community was not really willing to advance this because they didn't want to give false hope to patients. If there was no coverage, they really wouldn't push this with the patient community. So our Change in profile to a physician-focused approach a little bit here is because it's more scalable and will help us get to the right patients. Our success rate from a patient-referred group of individuals is dramatically higher than the individuals who come to us just individually because they get qualified a lot better. For a patient's journey right now, we would encourage and educate them to ask their physician have their physician guide them through the inclusion-exclusion criteria, and then hand them off to our customer service team, which has all the elements that we know we need for a CMS submission, and we help pull that together and get the submission with our internal teams. And then we work back to the clinic that we originally got the physician or the referral came from, and we will do the training there in most cases. and then the product is provided at the end of that cycle. So it's a combination now of the physician as a starting point for many of them, followed by REWOC's involvement in helping the hard work of processing and preparing a claim that will go through, followed by the clinic training them. And then after that, we have a very good warranty and service program here to make sure these individuals have the device working for the entire five-year life of the device. So there's... The flowchart is much longer than that, but that is a reasonably good verbal explanation.
Ben Hainer
No, and that makes sense and is definitely helpful. And, you know, our, you know, obviously with the patients coming to you is kind of the way that it's been historically, you know, obviously you're never going to run Super Bowl ads to try and target, you know, all the patients that could potentially be candidates. But in terms of the physicians that you go after, I mean, is that a relatively smaller group of folks that, you know, might be, you know, X thousand out there that you can easily target? Or is there sort of a back of the envelope number that we should think about on, you know, your sales force will be going after, you know, 2,000 or 10,000 or 500 physicians that really... you guys think have the potential to write a lot of prescriptions?
Mike Lawless
There's a pretty good variety of the physician base. The core initial one is the PM&R docs, the people who do physical and rehabilitation medicine. As they see these patients, particularly early As patients get a little later in years past their injury, the group becomes more varied with some neurologists and internists. So our initial focus would be a little more in the clinic-based. We believe that gives us sufficient numbers for growth. But over time, getting neurologists and some internal medicine and other groups educated will matter. So I think we have a pretty good early target. It will grow over time. for the spinal cord injury side of the business.
Ben Hainer
Okay. Got it. That's helpful. And then a couple quick ones. Can you provide the pro forma Alter-G revenues for 2023 and the growth versus 2022, or don't you have those available or can you provide them?
Mike Lawless
Pro forma revenue, if you combine the two organizations together,
Ben Hainer
Well, either that way or just AlterG is kind of a standalone, if you will.
Mike Lawless
I don't have that in my fingertips. Let me try to pull that up while we're on the call here. Okay. Give me a moment.
Ben Hainer
Yep, no problem. And then just on, I guess, another one to distract you from the test, but the integration savings that you expect, does that kind of kick in fully during testing? Q1, or does that ramp down into Q2 and beyond, or should we just model it as $750,000 savings over a quarter over the course of the year?
Mike Lawless
That will phase in over time. That's not all immediate. We should start to see the benefit adding in Q1, but we won't really see the full impact until we move later through the year. Okay. We don't have time to kick in.
Ben Hainer
Makes sense. Okay. I think that's all I have. I'll leave it at that. And thanks for taking the questions, guys.
Mike Lawless
Thanks, Ben. Thank you, Ben. I'll follow up with you with the answer to that other question that you had.
Operator
This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Larry Kaczynski for any closing remarks.
Mike Lawless
I'd like to thank everyone for joining us today. I started out with a fairly long list of 2023 milestones, and we've very much been a milestone-driven company because that was the basis for us to really expand. And this is the year we get to do it, that we are moving to execution phase. We have the right team in place, which is an important part of the integration of the companies, and we have the size and scale to do it. So we very much look forward to presenting this on future quarterly calls, and we ask everyone to please watch us closely. That's it for today. Thank you, everybody.
Operator
The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.
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