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spk04: Hello, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you for standing by for Lee Otto's second quarter of 2021 earnings conference call. And at this time, all participants are listen-only mode, and today's conference call is being recorded. I will now turn the call over to your host, Janet Jan, Director of Investor Relations of the company. Please go ahead, Janet.
spk01: Thank you, Annie. Good evening and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Lee Otto's second quarter 2021 earnings conference call. The company's financial and operating results were published in the press release earlier today and are posted on the company's IR website. On today's call, we have our president, Mr. Kevin Yanan Shen, and our CFO, Mr. Johnny Tia Li, to begin with prepared remarks. Our founder and CEO, Mr. Xiang Li, and our CTO, Mr. Kai Wang, will join for the Q&A discussion. Before I continue, please be reminded that today's discussion will contain forward-looking statements made under the safe harbor provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve inherent risks and uncertainties. As such, the company's actual results may be materially different from the views expressed today. Further information regarding risks and uncertainties is included in certain filings of the company with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission and announcements published on the website of the Hong Kong Stock Exchange and the company. The company does not assume any obligation to update any forward-looking statements except as required under applicable law. Please also note that Lee Otto's earnings press release and this conference call include discussions of unaudited GAAP financial information as well as unaudited non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to Lee Otto's press release and interim results announcement, which contain a reconciliation of the unaudited non-GAAP measures to comparable GAAP measures. With that, I will now turn the call over to our president. Please go ahead, Kevin.
spk08: Thank you, Janet. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining our call today. First of all, we are proud that our Class A ordinary shares started trading on the main board of the Hong Kong Stock Exchange on August 12th, opening a new chapter for our company. We are honored and also humbled by the support we received from all investors. With the Hong Kong due primary listing, we significantly strengthened our equity base with over 1.5 billion U.S. dollars of net proceeds raised. This will provide strong financial support for our R&D initiatives and the direct sales and servicing network extension, as well as enhanced protection for our shareholders. We will continue to take the responsibilities associated with being a publicly treated company seriously. work to build out our long-term vision and create value for our users, shareholders, and our employees alike. Next, moving to the key highlight of our second quarter result. Our 2021 LII has been an exceptional performer since its debut on May 25th. Our 2021 LII boosts and enhanced the NEDC range of 1,000 and 80 kilometers, optimize the mobility comfort, and a more intelligent cockpit. It has received rave reviews and strong user endorsement for its outstanding features and performance. Our second quarter deliveries achieved 17,575 units, increasing 166% year over year. Our July deliveries reached 8,589, hitting a new record. In July, Liwan topped sales chart in the new energy SUV and large SUV categories, according to new car insurance registration data reported by China Automotive Technology and Research Center. It is a powerful testament to Liwan's highly competitive product features, making us a leading domestic NEV manufacturer in China. While these rankings and Liwan's strong performance and popularity are exciting achievements, yesterday's home run do not win today's game. We will continue to be disciplined and dedicated, and we will strive to constantly surpass ourselves in products and services to earn the support, trust, and the loyalty from our users. Our record high deliveries would not have been possible without cooperation and the assistance of our supply chain partners. They have been helping us navigate the ongoing semiconductor shortage. Turning to the profitability, our gross margin reached 18.9 percent this quarter, up 5.6 percent points year over year. and 1.6 percent quarter-over-quarter. Our operating cash flow was RMB 1.4 billion, or $218 million during the second quarter, demonstrating our consistent high operating capability. In the second quarter, we aimed to further broaden and deepen CT coverage to address increasing demand from prospective users across China. and prepare ourselves for our new model launches in 2022 and beyond. Thus, we accelerated the expansion of our direct sales and servicing network. As of July 31st, 2021, we had 109 retail stores covering 67 cities and 176 servicing centers, and the Lee Auto authorized body and paint shops operating in 134 cities. We are on track to reach our year-end target of 200 retail stores. We have expanded our footprint to lower-tier cities in China. In August, we opened a retail store in Lhasa, Tibet. This has taken us direct sales and servicing network, geographical coverage of provinces, autonomous regions, and the centrally administered in mainland China to 100%. The industry-wide semiconductor shortage has affected our monthly deliveries in recent months, resulting in undelivered backlogs. As our new order exceeded 10,000 in June, we tried our best to utilize our tournament alternative solutions to enhance our flexibility and acquire industry sources. Going forward, we'll continue to collaborate closely with our supply chain partners to mitigate the semiconductor shortage and minimize the impact on our production. Given the proven success of our Li-1 catering to the needs of families, we are working to diversify our product portfolio to appeal to an even broader family user base. We have three platforms under development, the X platform for our next generation EREV with the first model to be released in 2022, and the Whale and the Shark platform for our BEV models to be launched in 2023. The development of these new platforms are progressing smoothly, and we are confident to launch new vehicle models on time. In July, we also signed a MOU with a local company for collaboration in reconstruction and expansion project of an automobile manufacturing plant in Beijing. This will further expand our production capacity and support the increasing vehicle sales volume with future models. On August 27, 2021, We also signed an investment agreement with a wholly owned subsidiary of Xincheng China Power Holding Limited to form a new company in Mianyang, Sichuan Province, China, to develop and manufacture our next generation extension system. We firmly believe that smart EREVs will be a superior replacement to ICE vehicles. and increase the overall EV penetration rate in the medium to long term. We continue to view it as one of our core strategic development directions. The cooperation will leverage the R&D and the production capabilities of both companies to provide high-quality products and further expand market share of smart ER EVs in the domestic market. With respect to international market, we will keep our strategy to always make plans before taking actions, as we want to be a winner, not just a mere participant in the global market. To win much share overseas, a car company has to develop the right product to attract customers with tastes and requirements that are different from domestic customers. We have set up a team dedicated to the overseas market and we are meticulously working on the plans to find a winning formula. As a corporate citizen, we are proud to have passionately engaged in social relief activities to help people in need. In July, in response to the flood in Henan province, we organized the emergency relief with donations to support the affected people, including our users. We also mobilized all trailers we have access in the adjacent provinces to join the rescue effort. In addition, we provide our users with service such as warranty extension for replacement parts, free replacement of flood damage charging poles, and free vehicle inspections for all disaster-stricken vehicles. We made our efforts to reassure them and help in any way possible for a smooth transition back to normalcy. Lastly, we achieved a AA MSCI ESG rating in April, making us a leader in ESG among 40 rated automotive companies. Going forward, we will continue to undertake social responsibilities and view this as an integral part of our mission to build smart electric vehicles that make families happier. Now, I will turn this call over to our CFO, Mr. Kelly, to review our financial performance in the second quarter.
spk07: Thank you, Kevin. Hello, everyone. I will now walk you through some of our financial results for the second quarter of 2021. Due to the time constraints, I will address financial highlights here and encourage you to refer to our earnings press release for further details. Total revenues in the second quarter of 2021 were RMB 5.04 billion, or 788.4 million U.S. dollars, representing an increase of 40.7 percent from RMB 3.58 billion in the first quarter of 2021. This included RMB 4.9 billion, or 788.4 billion, 59.4 million U.S. dollars from vehicle sales, which increased 41.6 percent quarter-over-quarter. This increase in vehicle sales was mainly driven by the increase in delivery of the 2021 Li-1 since its release on May 25, 2021. Revenues from other sales and services were RMB 135.7 million, or 21 million US dollars, in the second quarter of 2021, representing an increase of 21.7% quarter over quarter. The increase in revenue from other sales and services over the first quarter was mainly due to the increased sales of charging stores accessories and services in line with higher accumulated vehicle sales. Cost of sales in the second quarter was RMB 4.09 billion, or US$632.9 million, representing an increase of 38.2% quarter over quarter. Cross-profit in the second quarter of 2021 was RMB 952.8 million, or $147.6 million, growing 54.5 percent compared with the first quarter of 2021. Vehicle margin in the second quarter was 18.7% compared with 16.9% in the first quarter of 2021. The increase in vehicle margin from the first quarter was primarily driven by higher average selling price in the second quarter of 2021 due to our launch of 2021 Liwan in late May. Our gross margin in the second quarter of 2021 was 18.9% compared to 17.3% in the first quarter of 2021, which was mainly attributable to the increase of vehicle margins. Operating expenses in the second quarter of 2021 were RMB 1.49 billion, 230.6 million U.S. dollars, representing an increase of 45.3% quarter-over-quarter. Research and development expenses in the second quarter of 2021 were RMB 653.4 million, or 101.2 million U.S. dollars, representing an increase of 27 percent quarter-over-quarter, excluding share-based compensation expenses. Non-GAAP research and development expenses were RMB 543.7 million, or $84.2 million, increasing 36.6 percent quarter-over-quarter. The increase in research and development expenses over the first quarter of 2021 was primarily attributable to the increased high cost and the increased research and development activities for the company's future vehicle models. Selling general and administrative expenses in the second quarter of 2021, where RMB 835.3 million, or 129.4 million U.S. dollars, representing an increase of 63.8 percent quarter-over-quarter, excluding share-based compensation expenses, non-GAAP selling general and administrative expenses, or RMB $780.9 million or $129.9 million, increasing 73.6% quarter-over-quarter. The increase over the first quarter of 2021 was primarily driven by increased marketing and promotion activities, as well as increased headcount and rental expenses. with the expansion of the company's distribution network. Loss from operations in the second quarter of 2021 was RMB 535.9 million, or $83 million, representing an increase of 31.4% compared with the first quarter, excluding share-based compensation expenses. The non-GAAP loss from operations was RMB 365.5 million, or 56.6 million U.S. dollars, representing an increase of 62.6 percent quarter over quarter. Net loss was RMB 235.5 million, 36.5 million US dollars in the second quarter of 2021, compared with RMB 360 million net loss in the first quarter of 2021. Now, gas net loss was RMB 65.1 million, or US dollar 10.1 million in the second quarter of 2021. 2021 compared with RMB 177 million net loss in the first quarter of 2021. Now turning to our balance sheet and the cash flow. Our cash and cash equivalents restricted cash, time deposits, and short-term investments total RMB 36.53 or $5.66 billion as of June 30, 2021. Operating cash flow in the second quarter of 2021 was RMB 1.41 billion or $218 million. Free cash flow was RMB 983 billion 2.1 million or 152.1 million U.S. dollars in the second quarter. And now for our business outlook. For the third quarter of 2021, the company expects deliveries to be between 25,000 and 26,000 vehicles, representing an increase of approximately 188.7 to 200.2% from the third quarter of 2022. The company also expects the third quarter total revenue to be between RMB 6.98 billion and RMB 7.25 billion, or U.S. dollar and US dollar 1.12 billion, representing an increase of 177.8% to 188.9% from the third quarter of 2022. This business outlook reflects the company's current and preliminary view on the business situation and market condition. In particular, the ongoing industry-wide semiconductor shortage due to the global COVID-19 pandemic, which are all subject to change. I will now turn the call to the operator to facilitate our Q&A session. Thank you.
spk04: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star and the number one on your telephones. And to withdraw your question, please press the pound or hash key. And please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. And for the benefit of all participants on today's call, please limit yourself to two questions. And if you have additional questions, you can re-enter the queue. If you're going to ask a question in Chinese, please follow with English translation. Once again, for your questions, please press star 1 and wait for your name to be announced. Our first question is from the line of Fei Fang of Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
spk09: Great. Thanks for the opportunity. Congratulations on the results. Can management talk a little bit about competition and regulation? So on competition, some of your incumbent peers have really speeded up launching new products, for instance. The frequency of their launches have increased and the hit rate seems to also increase. So I just wonder if you have refreshed thoughts on their progress and also the potential for them to enter into the premium segment. So that's the first question. Second is about regulation. So what's your thoughts on regulatory risks around autonomous driving and assisted driving development? Do you think if there's any regulation intention to slow down things a bit in order to perfect the safety and customer experience? I will quickly translate it for the management team. There are two questions. First, how do you see the traditional self-proclaimed brands accelerating the launch of new products, such as Changcheng, Geely, BRD? The frequency of their new launches has been greatly improved recently, and their chances of success have also been improved. How do you see the competitive risks? The second question is about the risk of supervision in the field of autonomous driving and auxiliary driving. Please comment on it. Thank you.
spk08: This is Kevin. Thank you for the question. I think for the product development cycle, we have our own strategy and schedule to launch new product. So basically, we are accelerating our development, our next generation of EREV platform and also the HPC BEV platform. As we shared before, we will roll out our brand new EREV models based on our next generation EREV platform next year. And 2023 will be a big year for us. We'll have two new models on the X platform and another two HPC BEV model launch. And for the regulation, in fact, we We have been closely communicating and engaging with the authorities. I think the intention from the MIT is to standardize the overall smart electric vehicle industry and raise the technology requirement for the ADAS solution. I think overall this is a good thing. This will ensure the healthy development of this industry. And I think the impact to us is basically in the future we need to be more cautious when we launch the product with ADAS solution. I think it will take us more effort to fully develop a function before the launch into the market. But that was our original plan. So there is no change of our strategy. But overall, I think our focus on ADAS will not change.
spk09: This is a very helpful color. Thank you, Kevin.
spk04: Thank you. Thank you. Our next question is from the line of , Morgan Stanley. Line is open. Please go ahead.
spk03: Thanks for taking my question, and congratulations on the solid results. I have two questions. The first question is, could the management team shed some light on what components or type of chips are currently in short supply for Lyoto? Because we look at the numbers, I think LiO2's production seems more resilient than peers. So how can we manage the supply disruption better than our peers? Is there any alternative sources LiO2 could secure the component and the support likely more than 12,000 monthly round rate into both quarters? So this is the first question about the supply. And my second question, I think Johnny touched briefly on during the presentation. What's the progress in our new plans for capacity expansion in Beijing? What's the main plate capacity and when will the contribution from the new capacity start to kick in? In fact, the whole production is better than our copper industry. What is the reason for this? Are we able to get enough parts to support it? Maybe in a quarter of a year, we can have more than 12,000 units, which is a higher output. The second question is about production capacity. I just shared with you the new factory in Beijing. Thank you, Tim. This is Kevin. I will answer the first question about the shortage. Right now, the single biggest shortage we are facing is an industry common shortage due to the COVID-19 situation in Malaysia.
spk08: especially from FT. So this is industry common shortage. And in the past several months, we have been fighting every day for the supply. I don't think our situation is better than the other competitors. But the outlook for the next quarter If the COVID-19 situation were getting better, we believe overall the industry supply will become more balanced. But the COVID-19 situation is not predictable. So it's still a risk for us. Yeah. Johnny, you want to comment on this?
spk07: Yes. For the Beijing site, I think we will release more details in the future. One thing you can make sure is it's on track to get ready for the BEV launch in 2023. Tian, thank you.
spk03: Great. Thanks for sharing.
spk04: Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Ming-Shun Li of Bofa Securities. Please go ahead. Line is open.
spk11: Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Wang. I have two questions. The first question is for Mr. Wang. Compared to the first season, we have improved a lot compared to the second season. I think it's mainly because of the 2021 design version. In addition to the increase in ASP, we also saw that the cost of the 2G bicycle has been reduced by about $2,000. So I would like to know What are the main circumstances of the improvement of the labor force here? And can you give us the luck of the third quarter and the fourth quarter? This is the first question. Then the second question is My first question is regarding the gross margin improvement trend. especially in the second quarter, your S&P is increasing, but also your cost of goods sold per car is also decreasing. So could you elaborate more and also comment on the third quarter and the fourth quarter trend? That's my first question. And second question, could you give us more details regarding your collaboration with Shenzhen Power on the collaboration of EIEB? Thank you.
spk08: Lee, thank you. This is Kevin. Very quickly, your first question, besides the sales price increase of the new Li-1, from the cost perspective, primarily we had, partially due to the bond cost reduction from some of our suppliers, And also, because of the sales volume increase, therefore the amortization will reduce. So that's the result in the gross margin increase. I think for the third quarter and the fourth quarter, we'll continue to see the gross margin will gradually improve also. So we still see that overall for this year, blended growth margin will be somewhere between 19% to 20%. The second question is about our joint venture with Xincheng Dongli. Actually, Xincheng Dongli is a leading engine company in China. Especially, they have been a long-term partner with BMW. So we have this joint venture, jointly R&D developer and manufacturer, our next generation EREV engine with Xincheng. And for this joint venture, we have 51% of the share. Thank you, Lee.
spk11: Thank you.
spk04: Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Bin Wang of Credit Suisse. The line is open. Please go ahead.
spk02: Thank you. I've got two questions. Number one, about long-term borrowing. So we found out in the second quarter our long-term borrowing actually had gone to $5.6 billion. Given you have so much cash on hand, can you explain why the SEPT had a big jump in the end of June? That's number one question. Number two is about volume guidance. You actually used to be kind of a September number can go to 10K. But if you see the third quarter guidance, it seems that if we maintain the 10K guidance for September, then August should be a very low number. So how should we think about the third quarter guidance? And we also actually talked about 1.6 million units by 2025. And in prior, actually maybe next year, probably about 150,000 units. So I'll do next year, 2022, the volume should be 150,000 US. Thank you. My question is two. One is about this bond balance sheet. We see that at the end of the second quarter, we have 5.6 billion long-term bonds. In theory, we have a lot of cash. Why can we explain the increase in bonds from 5 billion long-term bonds to 5.6 billion long-term bonds? The second is about our sales guidance. We had guidance in September. The sales can reach Ah, you want to die? Now, I'm gonna come down and look over my mind and send you to change your heart. She said, you know, I don't want to die. I haven't heard your point. She wanted to die, but she had to go. You want to go? I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean,
spk07: First of all, the long-term borrowing, because we launched, we do a CB in April. So it's a CB on the long-term borrowing.
spk08: Yeah, this is Kevin. Thank you, Wanbing, for the question. I think when we give out the guidance for third quarter, we have already taken into consideration of the potential risk of the impact of the COVID-19 in Malaysia. So therefore, we don't want to be too aggressive. So I think today is already the 30th. So in the next two days, you will see our August number. And for the next year, I think your estimation is within the range of our plan. Yeah, yeah. Of course, we want to further increase the monthly delivery of our Li-1.
spk03: Thank you.
spk04: Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Chang Liu of CICC. Please go ahead. The line is open.
spk10: Okay. Thank you, Guan Yu. I have two questions from my side. First, about our financial expenses, which is the cost of our SGA. Could you give us some details on the acceleration of SG&A in second quarter and any guidance on the four-year R&D and SG&A expenses. And my second question is on our pure electric models to be launched in 2023. Could you give us some update on its development, especially some key mass high-pressure charging system? Thank you.
spk07: For the SG&A, this is Johnny. For the SG&A, as I just mentioned, it's more related to the network expansion and also the marketing and promotion activities in the second quarter. We will also increase high cost and rental expenses. In the Second half of this year, we will continue to expand our retail stores towards our target, 200. And for R&D, we still want to keep the whole year of guidance, which is around 3 billion RMB. So second question, Kevin.
spk08: Yeah. This is Kevin. For the HPC BEV models, we are on track in terms of R&D process. To share some of the milestones, for example, we already have our 4C new battery heat sample ready. So that's a big milestone. And also for our HPC super-fast charging charging pole design. We have already finished the concept design, and we plan to have our first pilot charging station within this year. Yeah.
spk10: Thank you.
spk04: Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Xinyu Fang of UBS. Line is open. Please go ahead.
spk06: Hi, I'm not sure if this is my line. This is POCO UBS. I have two questions. The first one is regarding your split of the BEV versus the ELUV in terms of positioning. Starting from 2023, you will have both. How do you position the different segments and the size of each segment? And how shall we think, is it going to be the ELEV is more focused on the larger vehicle, SUV, MPV, et cetera, and the BEV more focused on the smaller vehicle, like the C-Dance, et cetera? How shall we think about the different positioning of the BEV versus the ELEV? My second question is regarding your R&D spending split going forward. For second half of this year, for next year and going forward, How much portion is going to be spent on the BEV, how much on the ELEV, and how much on the autonomous driving? Let me translate my questions quickly. 第一个问题来说的话,从2023年开始,就会有纯电动车也都会有增程,我们在这个纯电动和增程上面的区分是怎么样的? Will it be more used in larger cars, such as MPVs and SUVs? Will it be more used in smaller cars, such as sedan cars? The second part is the distribution of our research and development. Thank you.
spk08: Paul, yeah, let me take the first question. This is Kevin. So, in the future, when we have a BEV and the EREV at the same time, actually, we are not differentiate these two based on size or car form factor. So, basically, All these two driving powertrains will, based on these, develop cars to cover the price band from 200k RMB to 500k RMB. And each will have a different size of cars designed for family users. I think the key difference between these two are based on the customer's preference. If they are more concerned about the BEV's range anxiety and they don't have access to good charging infrastructure, they will choose, we believe they will choose ERED. Yeah. If they have a good charging infrastructure, they will choose BEV. So that's our viewpoint.
spk00: Yeah.
spk08: Yeah.
spk07: So the R&D expenses, we still want to keep our original guidance from now on to 2023 to $1 billion. And yeah, that will cover the vehicle, the coming models, and also the autonomous driving, and also some area we want to do in-house in the next two to three years, and also some investment on the R&D side for the future intelligent typing side. Thank you, Paul.
spk06: Thank you.
spk04: Thank you. Once again, as a reminder to ask a question, You will need to press star 1 on your telephone. To withdraw your question, please press the pound or hash key. Once again, please press star 1 on your telephone. Our next question is from the line of Yingbo Xu of Cedex. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
spk05: Okay, thank you. I actually have two questions. The first one is that we also see that with the increase in sales, the increase in profit capacity is also above the period. Maybe we can see a profit margin of 19 points in the next quarter. But my question is about the pricing strategy. In the future, with the increase in sales in our real estate, our pricing strategy is to continue to predict the increase in profit margin based on the size effect. Or is it that our pricing strategy may have some more flexible adjustments to acquire a higher market share? Secondly, I'd like to ask a long-term question. In fact, we can see that there are many new competitors in smart electric vehicles. In 2023, the product may be in a more concentrated stage. In 2025, the market may be looking at smart cell phones. There may be some concentration in the market. So how do we look forward to the future of 3.5 million, or even a longer-term product competition strategy, including some changes in technology or some changes in products? Can we make some long-term prospects? My first question is what's our pricing strategy? Are we trying to maintain our high margin or maybe we have more flexibility in the pricing item? And the second question is that considering a lot of newcomers in this sector, maybe 2023 is a period that a lot of newcomers join in and they launch a new model. And by the year 2025, maybe the market share is going to be concentrated again. So how we expect the next three or five years competition like technical product and also extras. So could you give us some colors? Thank you.
spk08: Yeah. Thank you, Yingbo. This is Kevin. First of all, about the pricing, from our point of view, for each of the products we designed based on a price point. And unless we see the competitiveness issue, otherwise we will not alter the price point of this product. I think to answer your question in another way, to gain more volume definitely will launch product cover wider price band. So as we mentioned that in the future our product will cover between 200K RMB to 500K RMB. That's not to say we are going to reduce the price of some of our product. We are going to design different product. to cover a different price point. That's our philosophy. And also, by the way, the market size of between 200K to 500K is increasing. That's probably the only increasing segment in the segment the volume is increasing. And about the future competition starting from 2023, I think we will stick to our three key choices. So the first one is that we compete in the overall PV market. That's why we believe we have to solve the reg anxiety issue. That's one of the core value we want to deliver to our customer. That's why you see we already have an EREV solution and we're going to have our next generation EREV solution to completely solve the range anxiety issue for our customer. And this is our mid-term, long-term strategy. We'll continue to launch EREV products. On the other hand, we also see the opportunity to solve the range anxiety issue with high power charging solutions. So that's why we have this new whale and shark platform. This is the first choice. The second choice is our target customer choice. We want to focus only on the family users. We see this is a growing demand segment. And when we design our car, we want to design the car catering the needs of all the family members. The third thing is that we will continue to focus on the autonomous driving solution development, and also the smart cabbing solution development. So these three things are the fundamental building blocks of our product competitiveness. We don't think we'll, we believe we'll stick to these three key things, yeah.
spk05: Thanks, Kevin. That's very helpful. Thank you.
spk04: Thank you. And as we are reaching the end of our conference call, I'd like to turn the call back over to the company for closing remarks. Ms. Chanda Chang, please go ahead.
spk01: Thank you, Annie. Thank you once again for joining with us today. If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact Rialto's Investor Relations team. Then that's all for today. Thank you and have a good one.
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