Lincoln Educational Services Corporation

Thank you for standing by. Welcome to Q1 2025 Lincoln Educational Services Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you'll need to press star 1-1 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To answer your question, please press star 1-1 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your speaker for today, Michael Polivio. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Lisa. Good morning, everyone. Before the market opened today, Lincoln Educational Services issued a news release reporting financial results and recent corporate developments for the first quarter ended March 31, 2025. The release is available on the investor relations portion of the company's corporate website at www.lincolntech.edu. Joining us today on the call are Scott Shaw, President and CEO, and Brian Myers, Chief Financial Officer. Today's call is being recorded and is being broadcast live on the company's website. A replay of the call will be archived on the company's website. Statements made by Lincoln's management on today's call regarding the company's business that are not historical facts may be public statements as a term is identified in federal securities laws. The words may, will, expect, believe, anticipate project, plan, intend, estimate, and continue, as well as similar expressions, are intended to identify forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements should not be read as a guarantee of future performance. The company cautions you that these statements reflect certain expectations about the company's future performance or events and are subject to a number of uncertainties, risks, and other influences, many of which are beyond the company's control and may influence the accuracy of the statement and projection upon which the segmented statements are based. Factors that may affect the company's results include, but are not limited to, the risks and uncertainties discussed in the risk factor section of the annual report on Form 10-K and the quarterly report on Form 10-Q-5 of the Securities and Exchange Commission. Overlook statements are based on information available at the time those statements are made and management's good faith belief as of the time with respect to future events. All forward-looking statements are qualified in their entirety by this cautionary statement, and Lincoln undertakes no obligation to publicly revise or update any forward-looking statement, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise, after the date they're out. One other housekeeping matter. During the Q&A portion of the call today, we would ask questioners to limit themselves to two questions and then re-queue to ask any additional questions. In advance, we thank you for your cooperation. Now I'd like to call over Scott Shaw, President and CEO of Lincoln Educational Services. Scott, please go ahead.

Thank you, Michael. And good morning, everyone. And I hope you all had a nice Mother's Day yesterday. Thank you for joining us today for our review of Lincoln's very strong first quarter financial and operating performance. We've talked about the strategies we've put in place to generate consistent growth, including the Lincoln 10.0 hybrid teaching model, the new campus development program, replicating high-end demand programs at existing campuses, signing corporate partnerships, and consistently providing high-value training and skills to our students to prepare them for rewarding careers. During the first quarter of 2025, our financial results, excluding the transitional segment, illustrated the increasing returns we are realizing from these strategies as revenue grew 16% and adjusted EBITDA grew 56%. In addition, the results have enabled an increase in our full year financial guidance, as well as our confidence in achieving our objective of approximately 550 million in organically generated revenue and approximately 90 million in adjusted EBITDA in 2027. For the past two years, the Lincoln 10.0 hybrid teaching model has provided increased flexibility to our students who often need to balance work and life while earning their certificate or degree. We've achieved this flexibility by combining hands-on learning at campus facilities with a component of classroom work delivered through online instruction. The model enables our students to work part-time or manage other commitments while pursuing their Lincoln education and reduces the time needed to complete many of our curriculums, accelerating our graduates on to their highly rewarding careers. It is helping a higher percentage of our students to graduate and is attractive to our corporate partners who remain growth constrained by the lack of skilled employees. As the first phase of Lincoln 10.0 was implemented, we generated instructional efficiencies, space efficiencies, and organizational productivity. With the first phase completed, the efficiencies have increased, which contributed to our adjusted EBITDA growth as compared to last year's first quarter. Brian will provide more detail on the leverage we achieved from our operating expenses during the first quarter in a few moments. Our student starts at 21 campuses operating in the first quarter grew an exceptional 20% over the prior period and student starts have now increased at a double digit rate for six consecutive quarters. As I mentioned, we believe Lincoln 10.0 has played an important part in this growth. In addition, Our new East Point campus continues to contribute to our strong start growth, and our marketing programs continue to be increasingly effective at generating leads while lowering the cost of those leads. Lincoln is successfully meeting the consistently growing demand for educational alternatives to a traditional four-year college as employers continue to seek solutions to closing their workforce skills gap. Our new campus development strategy is designed to expand our model to underserved markets within the United States and during the first quarter generated substantial progress. The first new campus under our expansion strategy, East Point in metropolitan Atlanta, opened in March of 2024 and has demonstrated tremendous success in its first year of operation, becoming profitable well ahead of schedule. the strong performance of East Point has reinforced our confidence in our new campus program strategy, which includes the opening of three new campuses during 2025. The first of the 2025 openings took place in the first quarter as we completed the relocating of the Nashville campus to a state-of-the-art facility overlooking the city skyline. Rebranded as the Nashville Auto Diesel College, or NADC, The campus will expand its offerings to include new electrical and HVAC programs. NADC students and faculty have warmly embraced the new campus's 100 welding booths, the latest alignment racks from Hunter, brand new environmentally friendly spray booths from GFS, elect two training equipment, a Peterbilt training center, and much more. We will mark this exciting milestone on June 5th with a grand opening honoring NADC's historic position as a leading career technical college serving this country since World War I. This event will also exhibit the school's Hall of Fame room, recognizing the hundreds of graduates who have advanced into leadership positions throughout the automotive and diesel industry across the country. Meanwhile, our new campus in Levittown, PA, which will incorporate our current automotive program in Philadelphia, is nearing completion, and we remain on schedule to complete the move to this state-of-the-art facility this summer. The efficiency and additional space of the Levittown campus is enabling us to add another three programs in the market. We recently hosted local leaders at the campus, which generated a great deal of enthusiasm for the contributions Lincoln is making to the local community with this new facility. Our third new campus scheduled to open late 2025 is our Houston campus, which is our second in Texas, but first in the Houston market, which represents fast opportunities. The current schedule calls for us to begin our first classes in automotive, HVAC, electrical, and welding during the fourth quarter. Our fourth new campus is Hicksville, Long Island, is under development, and we anticipate it opening in the latter part of 2026. As always, we continue to explore other underserved markets to determine additional new campus opportunities for Lincoln, and we expect to announce additional new school openings before year end. Program replication at existing campuses is another of our key growth initiatives. During the first quarter, we opened an electrical program at our Lincoln Rhode Island campus and expansion of our welding program at our Denver campus. We have five additional programs scheduled to begin operation as the year progresses. Our efforts to enter into new corporate partnerships continued during the first quarter. The interest from corporate America in Lincoln as a solution to closing the workforce skills gap remains strong. However, decision-making timelines have lengthened primarily due to ongoing economic uncertainty. We continue to see resources being made available to students learning essential skills and training that enable us to live the life we have grown accustomed to. At the same time, our proven commitment to providing high ROI programs continues benefiting students, their families, and their communities. And our high graduation rate as well as graduate placement rate indicate we offer an excellent return on investment. I believe that Lincoln Tech is uniquely positioned to capture an increasing share of the growing skilled trades training market. For over 78 years, we've remained focused on delivering high-quality, life-changing career education, and no one else has our combination of longevity, scale, and proven experience. Our growth strategy is simple. We will continue to expand our network of schools by replicating our most in-demand programs at our existing campuses while building new campuses in new and existing markets. Despite the uncertainty that many face with the ever-changing economic landscape, our path forward is quite certain. Our country has an existing severe skills gap, which most likely will get worse before it gets better. There are major initiatives underway that will drive this increased demand for skilled workers. whether it's our Navy's need for 250,000 skilled workers over the next 10 years to build three new submarines a year, or the electric utility's dire need to build new sources of electric power to fuel rapidly expanding demand caused by AI and the move towards electrification in general, or the expected massive onshoring efforts of our manufacturing base by the current administration to create greater economic security and prosperity The demand for more talented men and women to enter the skilled trades will only increase, and Lincoln Tech will be there to meet that demand. The good news for Lincoln Tech and our country is the resurgent interest in the skilled trades. The press has labeled this generation the tool belt generation. We and others have had numerous stories on national and local TV highlighting the need for skilled workers, why more and more people are turning to the trades, and why schools like Lincoln Tech provide an excellent alternative to obtaining a four-year degree. Across the country, we are seeing increased demand by adults and high school students. The audiences and engagement with parents is growing, even among those communities with historically high number of students going to the traditional four-year colleges. The message is sticking, and it's being reflected in our results and rising interest. As we saw with the latest jobs report for April, employers continue to struggle to find technicians, electricians, welders, and healthcare workers, and through our lead generation programs, we have seen record level of interest in our curriculums. We continue to see the demand for what we do growing, regardless of macroeconomic conditions or political agendas, and have transformed our company into an exceptional provider of educational services meeting the needs of America's corporations, as well as America's workforce, as we continue to work to be a leading voice for middle skills learning in this country. Our increasing financial performance over the past several quarters has enabled us to put in place the financial resources to carry out our growth strategies, achieve our objectives, and generate increasing return to our shareholders. Finally, I'd like to note I'll be meeting with investors over the coming weeks at various locations around the country. These include the B. Reilly Annual Investor Conference in Marina del Rey, California on May 22nd, the IDEAS Conference on June 11th in New York, and the Northland Securities Virtual Conference on June 25th. Additionally, I will be in Portland, Oregon on June 17th and Denver on June 18th with a Barrington-hosted non-deal roadshow. The level of interest coincides with our performance, and I believe the successful execution of our growth strategy has the potential for further price appreciation as we continue to grow our student population and generate an increasing level of operating efficiencies. Now I'll turn the call over to Brian Myers so he can review some of our recent financial highlights and guidance. Brian.

Thanks, Scott. Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. I'm pleased to provide an overview of our financial performance for the first quarter of 2025, discuss some key developments, and share our updated outlook for the remainder of the year. As Scott mentioned, we exceeded internal expectations in Q1, driven by robust stock growth and improved operating leverage. These key drivers translated to higher operating margins and improved profitability. Our results reflect the strength of Lincoln's business and the momentum we've built over the past several years. Please note that throughout our discussion, we'll refer to financial results compared to prior year that excluded transitional segment. As a reminder, the transitional segment consisted of the former Summerlin-Was Vegas campus, which was sold late 2024 and thus impacts the prior year comparisons. We delivered solid year-over-year growth across the board in Q1. Revenue increased 16% to $117.5 million, marking the eighth consecutive quarter of double-digit revenue growth. This strong performance was primarily driven by a 6.2% increase in average student population. Our stock growth for the quarter was an impressive 20.9% as we enrolled over 4,600 students during the quarter during Q1 2025. The strong interest in our programs has remained consistent as evident by our double-digit stock growth over the past six consecutive quarters. To provide additional context around our stock growth, the transportation and skilled trades programs increased by a robust 32.4%. This strong performance was driven by growing demand combined with our efforts to replicate these programs across additional campuses. Within the healthcare and other professions, the total stock declined 6.3%. However, this decline was directly attributed to two reasons. First, in 2024, we temporarily suspended new enrollment in our nursing program at our Paramus New Jersey campus. Second, we discontinued enrolling new students into massage therapy and culinary programs. These changes are part of our ongoing strategy to optimize our campus operations by phasing out lower demand programs and replace them with offerings that have the highest student interest and employer demand. Assuming the impact of these changes, our HOPs programs achieved approximately 6% organic growth reflecting continuing demand. In terms of capital expenditures, we committed approximately $25 million during the first quarter of which $20 million is reflected on the cash flow statement. As Scott mentioned during the quarter, we completed the relocation of our national campus and launched two of the seven planned program replications in 2025. In addition, we made solid progress on our major construction project, keeping us on track to open our Levittown and Houston campuses in the second half of the year pending regulatory approval. For the full year, we anticipate CapEx to range between 70 to 75 million consistent with our long-term growth plans. This investment supports two new campuses, two campus relocations, several replication or expansions of our skilled trade programs at existing campuses, and increased maintenance capex to refresh and modernize training equipment, further enhancing the quality of instruction, hands-on training, student experience, and outcomes. We are highly confident that each of these investments will generate strong returns. For example, we expect each new campus to deliver approximately $6 million to EBITDA and each program replication to contribute $1 million to EBITDA 36 months after opening. To ensure we have the financial flexibility if needed to fund these initiatives, we have recently amended our credit facility with Fifth Third Bank. This amendment increased our line of credit from $40 million to $60 million and expanded the accordion feature from $20 million to $25 million. Our capital structure remains robust as we ended the quarter with a profit of $90 million in total liquidity and no debt outstanding. Turning to expenses, operating expenses were $114.3 million up from $101.2 million last year. This was in line with our plan. As such, the increase aligns with our growing student population and expenses related to our growth initiatives. We also continue to generate operating efficiencies during the quarter. Notably, education service and facility costs as a percentage of revenue declined to 40.3% from 41.3%, partially driven by efficiencies from our Lincoln 10.0 education initiative. Additionally, our marketing efficiencies improved significantly with our total marketing spend declining, achieving a 20% reduction in cost per start compared to Q1 2024. Turn to a key topic in the macro environment, the impact of tariffs. We have been notified of only minimum cost increases. As such, we do not currently anticipate a material impact on our costs or capital expenditures in 2025. Our adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter increased by 56% to 10.6 million, up from 6.8 million in the first quarter of 2024. The adjusted EBITDA margin also rose to 9% compared to 7% in the prior year. Adjusted EBITDA was favorably impacted by a shift of approximately $1 million in operating expenses into the second quarter. Without this benefit of the timing shift, our adjusted EBITDA would have still grown by almost 45%. The primary drivers of our improved profitability were instructional and marketing expenses, both of which experienced meaningfully operating leverage. In addition, bad debt expense declined both in absolute terms and as a percentage of revenue, reflecting the positive impact of several initiatives implemented over the past year. Finally, net income was $1.9 million, or $0.06 per diluted share, and our adjusted net income was $3.5 million, or $0.11 per diluted share, based on weighted average diluted common shares outstanding of approximately $31.1 million. The first quarter performance moves us closer to our long-term objectives we outlined at last year's analyst day, which included reaching 550 million in revenue and 90 million in adjusted EBITDA by 2027. I encourage you to review our plan, which is available in our latest investor presentation on our website. Looking ahead to the remainder of 2025, Given the strength of our Q1 results and the positive trends we're seeing across the business, we are raising our full year of financial guidance. We now expect revenue ranging from $485 to $495 million, adjusted EBITDA in the range of $58 million to $63 million, net income ranging from $10 to $15 million, student stock growth of 10 to 14%. As during our last call, we expect starts to follow typical seasonality with one notable exception. We have a significant class start shift from Q2 to Q3 in 2025 due to our Lincoln 10.0 teaching model, which can slightly change start dates from year to year. In 2024, we had a start in the last week of June of approximately 2,300 students. However, in 2025, this start class will move to July 1st and therefore be reported in the third quarter. While a shift in start dates will reduce Q2 starts, it will have a minimum impact on our Q2 revenue. On a combined basis, we anticipate Q2 and Q3 starts to grow into high single digits. Given the timing of this shift, we expect to provide additional insight during our second quarter investor call. Overall, it's important to note that timing shifts such as this have minimum impact on the cadence of our quarterly revenues. Our final guidance metric is our capital expenses, which is unchanged, ranging between 70 and 75 million as previously mentioned. As a reminder, in order to provide a clearer view of our underlying performance, our guidance excludes stock-based compensation and one-time non-recurring items. Additionally, it excludes pre-opening costs as well as net operating losses from new and relocating campuses. For additional guidance, guidance details, please refer to our earnings release filed earlier today. In closing, I want to thank our entire team for their hard work and ongoing commitment to delivering strong outcomes for our students and stakeholders. We are encouraged by the start of the year and remain focused on executing our strategy and delivering shareholder value. We look forward to sharing our continued progress next quarter. With that, I'll turn the call back over to the operator for questions. Operator?

Thank you. As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone. You'll hear the automated message advising your hand is raised. To explore your question, press star 11 again. We also ask that you please wait for your name and company to be announced before proceeding with your question. One moment while we start the Q&A session. The first question will be coming from the line of Alex Paris of Barrington Research. Your line is open.

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my call, and congratulations on the strong start to 2025. My pleasure. So I'll do my first, my two questions from the top down, really. First, I wanted to discuss this strong demand during the first quarter and those increased marketing efficiencies such that your cost of your cost per share is down 10% year over year. So maybe a little additional color there. And then my follow-up question will be more top-down regulatory.

Sure. So, I mean, we're obviously always monitoring and measuring our marketing efforts, always looking for ways to become more efficient. And, you know, part of it is, I would say, actions that we've taken in working with some of our vendors to get more with less. Also, though, to be honest with you, part of it is just this increased awareness and demand in the general environment, which then helps us drive more people. We're also getting more referrals and other actions like that, which help lower the overall average cost. It was unusually impressive improvement in marketing costs in the first quarter. We're continuing to see strong demand overall, and I'm anticipating that the savings year over year you know, should hold out throughout the year. Probably not to the degree that it did in the first quarter, but time will tell.

And I think it goes without saying, based on your overview comments, that April and May have exhibited the same strong demand.

Yeah, the demand remains out there.

It's very consistent. Great. And then now, For my second question, I was wondering if you could give us an update on regulatory changes and tone at the top coming out of Washington, D.C. Since your last conference call in late February, a lot has happened, including a significant reduction in the number of people at the Department of Education. There's been an important bill that's moved out of committee at the House, a sweeping higher education bill that will be part of the reconciliation bill, the one big beautiful bill, um, which among other things proposes the elimination of gainful employment in 90, 10. Um, and then specifically how it may have impacted you in the first quarter. Uh, you mentioned that, uh, that the welding program, it was, uh, uh, in Lincoln, Rhode Island, uh, is now up and running suggesting that you got your approval. And then, uh,

the approvals for the Houston campus later this year yeah so yeah a lot is going on just a quick clarification we haven't launched the welding in Lincoln Rhode Island as of yet we did launch our electrical program so welding are coming later in the year but in general I mean it's obviously I think everyone knows that what's happening in Washington is a little bit fast-paced and ever-changing Long story short, though, the good news is that we're on the right side, I'll say, of where certainly the administration wants to go from an educational standpoint. They definitely want to see more people go into the trades. They're hearing that from companies in general and just part of their overall initiatives and plans for our country require more people to go into the trades. So from that high-level perspective, we're in a good position. From the activities that they've taken at the Department of Ed, yes, a lot of the people that we typically deal with, frankly, are no longer at the department. However, we do have some high-level contacts, and we're staying very close to those individuals to make sure that certainly our needs can be met in a timely manner. And we've had no indication to date that that's not the case. Obviously, there's lots, as you mentioned, bills going through in Congress, has some positive aspects and possibly some negative aspects. But overall, it's all working more in our favor. There's definitely a lot more good coming out of everything in Washington for us than bad. So I feel good about it, frankly.

As do I. I just wanted to hear your color. So I appreciate that. I'll get back into the queue at this point.

Thanks, Alex.

Thank you. And one moment for the next question. The next question will be coming from the line of Martin, I'm sorry, of Eric Martuzini of Lake Street Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Yeah, I wanted to follow up on the new program progression here. So it sounds like we were live on two and then we've got five more expected throughout 2025. Are all five of those greenlit by the Department of Ed

Oh, well, they're all the only thing that the only one that is not, I'll say, green lit by the Department of Ed is the welding program in Rhode Island. And that's simply because that doesn't have a welding program to date. And that's what requires additional effort from the Department of Ed. But as I also just mentioned, you know, with Alex, We're in constant dialogue with folks in the department. They know the urgency of our need, and we anticipate that we certainly will be getting it certainly in the next four to five months.

Okay. And then I wanted to follow up on the new student star contraction within healthcare. You called out the, you know, hey, we stopped enrolling in massage therapy and culinary. When do we anniversary that enrollment suspension at those in those programs?

Will be at different times as we stop them at different periods of time, but certainly by this coming November is my understanding we should no longer have any students in either of those programs.

OK, and so the assumption is that the health care and other will be in growth mode. beginning in Q4 or growth? Yep. Okay.

Yeah. So we, and also as Brian mentioned, as you know, we had to suspend enrollments at our Paramus campus simply because of the pass rates being below the benchmark. But I'm very pleased to announce that as of March for the prior 12 months, I think they had about an 87, 88% pass rate. The benchmark is 75. So we're approaching the Board of Nursing in New Jersey to hopefully have them reinstate us sooner than having to wait to the end of the year just given the strong performance. But we'll have to wait and see.

Got it. Thank you. Yep.

Thank you. One more for the next question.

And the next question will be coming from the line of Steven Frankel of Rosenblatt Securities. Your line is open.

Good morning and thank you. Just to go back to the healthcare start situation, could you maybe help us understand how much of that weakness is attributed to the Paramus situation versus the ending of the course's in Summerlin, or maybe another way to look at it, outside those two factors, what are healthcare starts doing? Yes, I think that's Brian. Go ahead, Brian.

So, outside of that, they grew, I think, by almost six percent, yes, outside of that, and those two are almost evenly split between, you know, they teach out of those two programs in the nursing

Okay, right. That's really helpful. And then you had some comments about the cadence of starts between Q2 and Q3 that I didn't quite get into my notes. So maybe you could just go through that one more time.

Yeah, no problem. So given the calendar, the start calendar, It just happens that the start that last year took place in the last week of June is now going to take place on July 1st of this year. So just by having it moved by four days, it moves it from a Q2 event to a Q3 event. But from a revenue and economic standpoint, there's really no material impact whatsoever in those four days of having a large start take place. a little bit later. So Brian just wanted to make everyone aware that when you look at the Q2 actual starts, you're not going to see as robust a number as we had last year. They're all going to get put into Q3. So Q3 is going to be, I'll just say, exaggerated compared to the prior year. But economically, from growth in revenue and profitability, you're going to see a similar pattern as what you saw last year.

And just to add on to that, it was a large start of 2,300 students. So it is significant on a combined basis. It's going to be high single digits, Q2 and Q3. But because of the timing of it, it's coming out July 1st. On a pro forma basis, when we release Q2 numbers, we'll be able to tell you, you know, take into account what that one start in July 1st, what your thoughts would have been in the second quarter. So it will be more of an apples-to-apples comparison. Okay.

And, again, just to be clear, Even with this shift in starts, you still should report high single-digit start growth in each quarter, Q2 and Q3.

No, no, on a combined basis for Q2 and Q3, it'll be high single digits. It'll be down because of that start because it's such a large start of over 2,300 students.

In Q2. In Q2. Okay, that's what I wanted to make sure of. Thank you.

Right, right.

But to your point, on a pro forma basis, you're correct. We're going to show growth in both quarters. Okay, thank you.

No problem. Thank you. One moment for the next question.

And the next question will be coming from the line of Raj Sharma of Texas Capital Bank. Your line is open.

Yes, thank you for taking my questions again. You know, good morning, great execution, solid results. Congratulations. It was great to see the operating leverage improving the EBITDA. Operating expenses grew slower than the revenues. My question is around fiscal 25 EBITDA guidance. How much is the growth APEX that's being, is it being excluded or included in that guidance and And if you could comment on, you know, next year are those expenses, are you planning on sort of opening of two new programs and how that would impact the growth in, you know, the EBITDA growth that you could possibly project?

Sure. I'll start on it. In the press release, Raj, we do put out the midpoint in the range, so it does exclude the new campuses, like our new Houston campus, pre-opening losses there because we had a little bit of rent earlier. So it excludes the pre-opening courses and also some of our new programs. So for this year, we do lay it out. You can see it in the midpoint of that. So we do add that back, those losses. For 2026, we're in discussions. We might no longer do that because now that we're opening up new schools every year and this is going to be going forward, we'll still report on a pro forma basis because we think it's important for you to know how much of these expenses are for growth initiatives that didn't take place yet going forward, but it might not be part of our guidance.

And just in general, for our guidance going out to 2027, It really just assumes about a 200 basis point a year improvement. Obviously, the first quarter, we've already shown 200 basis points of improvement. Depending on how well 2025 comes, that certainly could be, we might be delivering that at an accelerated pace.

So that was a 200 basis points improvement in the EBITDA margins?

Yes.

Yes, Raj, each year. Each year. Got it. Thank you. That's very helpful. And then my next question was really on trying to understand where the demand and growth starts is coming from. You've long said that this is a counter-cyclical business and you would expect starts to kind of pick up. The economy was showing any signs of slowdown or the unemployment rate was going up. But where do you see the demand coming from? Is it just reshoring and the need and the skills gap, or are you seeing any sort of pickup from maybe some layoffs in some sectors?

Sure. Yeah, I mean, we're definitely not seeing because of layoffs in any kind of sectors affecting us. It's been surprising, to be honest, since COVID, the demand level that we're seeking as you started off. Typically, we get these huge growth opportunities during recessions, and we're far from a recession, and we're growing nicely. And it's all because of this trend that people are realizing that not everyone needs or should go to college. And there are great job opportunities out there by not going to a college and going to a trade school like ours where you can get into the workforce cheaper, faster, and frankly, probably more securely. Because so many people are concerned today about AI. AI is designed to take away the mind. It doesn't take away the hands. And we're doing hands-on training. And just more people are seeing the need, more people are realizing the personal satisfaction they can get by being in the trades and doing something that's helping other people where they can see the results of their work each and every day. I mean, it's a fundamental shift that's taken place. And as I mentioned in my remarks, I mean, I've gone to several different communities now in upscale areas where the local school boards, you know, brag about 98% going on to college. And yet parents in the room want to know, well, maybe my child shouldn't go to college. I want my child to do what's best for them. And I see some of these traits as being great opportunities for them. And if these conversations continue, which I think they will, and as I mentioned, there are these huge driving forces that are going to require more people than we even have today. with our whole electrical grid needs to be rebuilt. Our armed forces are looking to be rebuilt. You know, the administration is striving to bring manufacturing back. All those things require technology and automation, and someone needs to maintain all that. Otherwise, it doesn't work. So, anyway, there's a lot of really positive trends happening for us, and we just have to make sure that we can stay ahead of them, frankly, so we can capitalize as much as possible.

Got it. Thank you for that. It's very encouraging demand trends that continue. So thank you. I'll take any questions offline. Thanks.

Congratulations. Thank you, Raj.

Thanks. Thank you. One moment for the next question. And the next question will come from the line of Luke Harden of Northland Capital Markets. Your line is open.

Yeah, hey guys, thanks for taking the question and congrats on the really nice quarter here. I did want to touch on your comments, Scott, in the prepared remarks just about talking about some additional new campus announcements possibly coming here throughout the rest of the year. Just wondering if these would be net new campuses or if they would be relocations and any other sort of color around these new campus announcements that you're expecting.

Sure. Thanks, Luke, and welcome to the call. Yeah, these would not be relocations that we've done, let's say, with Nashville and Philadelphia. These would be new campuses in either new or existing markets where we see demand.

Okay, got it. And then also just want to touch on the 2025 guide as far as how much contribution are you guys kind of baking in on the Nashville relocation as well as the Philly campus coming this summer. And I guess also just kind of how has Nashville trended here so far since opening up in March?

Yeah, we really don't break it out that way in general, but obviously we have it in our models how each one is going to impact us. But it's too early to say with Nashville. They just relocated in March. And we won't start seeing some of the benefit till the high school students start this summer. But in all honesty, it's really going to be next year that you're going to see the real benefit. Because at that point, we'll have opened up the electrical and HVAC programs, which are new. And we'll also be out there marketing for a full year the brand new campus, which should help drive even more enrollments from our high schools into that campus. So 2026 is going to be the real impactful year I would anticipate for the Nashville campus. Okay.

Great. Awesome. Well, thanks for taking the question, guys. We'll take the rest offline. No problem. Thank you.

Thank you. And the next question will be coming from the line of Griffin Boss of B-Riley Securities. Your line is open.

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. Good to see the solid demand trends in the quarter and going forward. Just one for me, curious about the the CapEx cadence for the year? I had originally anticipated kind of a lighter Q1 with maybe a bit more ramp going through the rest of the year, but should we basically expect kind of a similar cadence to Q1 throughout the year to hit that $70, $75 million target? Or is it going to come perhaps heavier in the back half of the year?

Thanks. It's actually Q2 right now we're forecasting to be one of the heaviest quarters in our CapEx spend. So it should slightly exceed actually Q1, which was at $25 million, and then it will be Q3 would be maybe a similar, a little bit less than Q1, and then the remainder in the fourth quarter.

Okay, understood. That's helpful. Thanks a lot, and appreciate it again. Congratulations on the solid demand.

Thank you. Appreciate it. Look forward to the conference coming up.

Thank you. And we have a follow-up from the line of Alex Paris of Barrington Research. Your line is open.

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my follow-up. Just a question about the East Point Atlanta campus. It opened up in March of 2024. So the comparison in this Q1 is apples and oranges. What did East Point contribute in terms of revenue in the first quarter versus the first quarter a year ago?

Right. I do not have that. I can follow up with the revenue. I thought you were going to ask a different question. I do not have their revenue right here.

Okay. Well, do you have it on an EBITDA basis or a starts basis or something along those lines?

Yeah, actually, I do. If you give me one second, I can actually give you the revenue for East Point. All right. Revenue was, you know, slightly over $4 million for the Q1. And since it opened up last year, they had about $100,000.

So they contribute over $4 million. Gotcha.

Okay, that's helpful. And then remind me, along the same lines, what does the campus operating model suggest in year four? Is it year four, $20 million in revenue and $5 million in EBITDA? Is that what it was?

Yeah, five to six, depending on the campus.

Yeah, correct. Hopefully, you know, by year four, you know, after it opens, it should be $6 million worth of EBITDA and over $20 million worth of revenue.

But it's profitable now, one year into the process. Is that right?

Yeah, it's, you know, East Point was profitable when it went into the third quarter. Yeah, third quarter, it had profitability.

Great. Could you say... Could you say on a last 12-month basis how much revenue East Point is at this point?

On a last 12-month basis?

Either on the last 12 months or on a run rate basis, where are we with the new Atlanta campus?

Yeah, so I do not have last year's in front of me, fall year. We can do it offline. I can get that online, Alex.

yeah no problem here's my final question uh great progress on bad debt um i think bad debt in 2024 was 12 percent of revenue and in the first quarter if my math is right it's more like uh 10 percent uh what have you done there to get that number down and uh do you have a target for bad debt either absolute or as a percentage of revenue

Right. So for the full year last year, it got up to 13% in Q1. Like you said, it was 12%. This year it's 10%. We had great cash collections because now we, as we mentioned on prior calls, we changed. We implemented a new software system. It kind of didn't work out for us. And then we implemented another system, our old system. with a lot more enhancements that's working out very well for us. We went for a hybrid model. So everything's doing well. Our cash collections are doing very well. Some of that was for past due collections, which you can't keep collecting on past due. That did help slightly. But we're optimistic that it will keep showing improvement every single quarter right now. Um, we're hoping for, like I said, it was, you know, thirteen percent last year. So we're hoping to be, you know, hopefully I would be happy with eleven percent and maybe there is, you know, and up to that. So, eleven to twelve percent for the next couple of quarters. We're not willing to claim victory yet, but things are looking. very good as well as when we look at the percentage of students and how quick they're getting packaged year over year, it's much quicker. So hopefully it'll even help with start rate going forward as well. So things are going extremely well in our financial aid department now.

That's great to hear. Thank you very much. That's all I have.

Thank you. Thank you. There are no more questions in the queue and I would like to turn the call back over to Scott Shaw for closing remarks. Please go ahead.

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