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spk11: Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Lamentum Holdings third quarter fiscal year 2022 earnings call. All participants will be in the listen-only mode. Please also note today's event is being recorded for replay purposes. At this time, I would like to turn the conference call over to Kathy Tarr, Vice President of Investor Relations. Ms. Tarr, please.
spk06: Thank you, Operator. Welcome to Lamentum's fiscal third quarter 2022 earnings call. This is Kathy Tau, Lumentum's Vice President of Investor Relations. Joining me today are Alan Lowe, President and Chief Executive Officer, Wajid Ali, Chief Financial Officer, and Chris Coldren, Senior Vice President and Chief Strategy and Corporate Development Officer. Today's call will include forward-looking statements, including statements regarding our expectations regarding the pending acquisition of Neopatonic, including market opportunity, expected synergies, financial and operating results, and expectations regarding accretion, time to close, strategies of the combined company, and benefits to customers and the markets in which we operate, as well as the impact of COVID-19 on our business and continuing uncertainty in this regard. Trends and expectations for our products and technology, our markets, market opportunity and customers, and our expected financial performance, including our guidance, as well as statements regarding our future revenues, our financial model, and our margin targets. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our current expectations, particularly the risk factors described in our SEC filings. We encourage you to review our most recent filings with the SEC. particularly the risk factors described in the quarterly report on form 10Q for the quarter ended January 1st, 2022, and those in the 10Q for the quarter ended April 2nd, 2022 to be filed by Lumentum with the SEC today. The forward-looking statements provided during this call are based on Lumentum's reasonable beliefs and expectations as of today. Lamentum undertakes no obligation to update these statements, except as required by applicable law. Please also note, and thus otherwise stated, all results and projections discussed in this call are non-GAAP. Non-GAAP financials are not to be considered as a substitute for or superior to financials prepared in accordance with GAAP. Lamentum's press release with the fiscal third quarter 2022 results and accompanying supplemental slides are available on our website at www.lumentum.com under the investor section. This includes additional details about our non-GAAP financial measures and a reconciliation between our historical GAAP and non-GAAP results. With that, I'll turn the call over to Alan.
spk15: Thank you, Kathy, and good morning, everyone. Strong demand and solid execution by our team around the world resulted in all third quarter financial metrics being at the high end of our guidance range. We are in an excellent position to grow revenue in Q4 and in fiscal 23. And we believe we will see continued revenue growth beyond 2023. Long-term tailwinds are driving our markets and demand for our differentiated products is already strong and growing. Unrelenting growth in data generation and consumption is driving the cloud and networking markets we address. Our customers are just beginning multi-year infrastructure upgrades that require our leading-edge photonics. Use cases for our high-performance lasers for 3D sensing and LiDAR are expanding beyond mobile handsets, and in Q3, we announced a new reference design in building automations. New automotive customers are turning to our lasers for LIDAR and we are engaged with more customers on extended reality applications. Demand for our commercial lasers also continues to grow as industrial and microelectronic factories and semiconductor fabs expand and upgrade their capabilities and increasingly utilize the leading edge lasers we supply. Near term, Telecom customer demand is outpacing the supply of third-party components, most notably semiconductors that we need to build many of our products. Our supply chain team is making excellent progress to alleviate component shortages, which we expect will drive strong sequential growth in telecom revenues in the fourth quarter. We expect this telecom growth combined with the increased output from our recently commissioned Datacom capacity will more than offset normal 3D sensing seasonality in Q4. We expect Q4 revenue will increase sequentially and year on year. Our Q4 revenue outlook would result in a new company high for a fourth quarter. Though component supply is increasing, demand is growing even faster. We expect more than a $100 million revenue impact as a result of the gap between demand and supply in Q4. This is up significantly when compared with an approximate $65 million gap we saw in the third quarter. While we expect these supply shortages to continue to improve with the diligent work of our team and our suppliers, given the accelerating demand environment, we will likely see customer demand outpacing third-party material supply into calendar 2023. neophotonics acquisition remains on track for the previously announced timeline of closing in the second half of calendar 2022. we are working diligently with antitrust authorities in china with their approval being the final key closing condition for the transaction integration planning with the neophotonics team gives me strong conviction that the combination will create value for our customers our suppliers and our shareholders through a more comprehensive portfolio of differentiated products for our cloud, networking, and automotive customers, as well as meaningful cost synergies. Now let me provide some detail on our third quarter results. As expected, telecom and datacom revenue was down quarter on quarter due to supply constraints, despite very strong demand. New applications for our 10G tunable transmission products are accelerating. These include Metro access and fiber deep applications for cable MSO and networking customers, as well as wireless front hall for mobile networking customers. The wireless front hall application is just starting to be deployed and is expected to deliver meaningful revenue by the end of the calendar year. We are increasing our manufacturing capacity for our 10G and soon to be released 25G tunable products in our wafer fab, and our backend assembly and test factories to address the rapid adoption of this differentiated and enabling technology. Pump laser sales are robust and grew more than 50% from the same quarter last year. As we have mentioned previously, elevated pump shipments frequently have been a leading indicator of future telecom demand. In addition, submarine cable suppliers are deploying subsea cables at record levels. driven by the robust demand from hyperscale data center operators. This is another leading indicator of future telecom demand. We expect these infrastructure investments will help propel momentum into double-digit growth starting in fiscal 23 for multiple years. EMLs serving high-speed cloud data center applications reach a new record in revenues. new eml manufacturing capacity will allow us to ramp our datacom shipments even more to help us better fulfill strong customer demand for our differentiated products accordingly we expect fourth quarter eml revenue to increase significantly from the third quarter looking ahead to the fourth quarter we expect telecom and datacom revenue to be up strongly quarter on quarter due to the improvements in IC component supply, but still significantly below the level of customer demand. We continue to work diligently with our suppliers and on alternative sources of supply to alleviate shortages. Turning to industrial and consumer, third quarter revenue was down from last quarter as expected due to 3D sensing seasonality. We are expanding our 3D sensing and LiDAR platforms into new applications in the industrial market. In the third quarter, we announced a reference design with Ambarella for building automation and occupancy sensor systems. The design uses Lumentum's flood illuminator module for high-accuracy time-of-flight 3D sensing, together with Ambarella's AI system on a chip, enabling the application of small sensors with local processing for occupancy monitoring, intelligent space management, and smart retail. In automotive, we have expanded our development activities with new LiDAR customers, and we are very pleased to have entered into a customer-supported development agreement for long-range LiDAR with a market leader in the ADAS space. In addition, we have begun our production ramp of our multi-junction Bixel arrays for HESAI. The customer pipeline for our product-serving in-cabin driver monitoring systems is also growing. In addition, we have early product traction with multiple customers who are developing extended reality solutions, which we expect will come to market in 2023. We expect fourth quarter industrial and consumer revenue to be down sequentially with typical consumer product seasonality. Our commercial lasers revenue was up again quarter on quarter as expected, achieving near record levels, primarily driven by fiber lasers serving automotive and industrial applications. Ultra-fast lasers for manufacturing of semiconductors and consumer electronics also grew sequentially. Looking ahead to the fourth quarter, we expect laser revenue to grow again quarter on quarter, driven by new products and the overall market. We expect laser quarterly revenue to surpass our previous record as this business grows over the coming quarters. Before turning it over to Wajid to run through the numbers, I'd like to acknowledge our employees' commitment to implement sustainable practices. To meet our company-wide goal of net zero carbon emissions by 2030, we have transitioned more sites to renewable energy. Since January, our site in Ottawa holds a renewable energy certificate, and we installed solar panels in our site in Slovenia. Our sites in the United Kingdom started procuring 100% renewable electricity in May, and our San Jose headquarter has achieved the LEED Silver certification, another step forward in our goal of net zero emissions. We are also very proud to have achieved the EcoVadis Gold rating for Lumentum's advanced performance in sustainability. In addition to our progress in sustainability initiatives, I would like to thank our employees around the world all of their hard work and resilience during such challenging times. With that, I'll turn it over to Wajid.
spk16: Thank you, Alan. Net revenue for the third quarter was $395.4 million, which exceeded the midpoint of our guidance range. Net revenue was down 11.5% sequentially and down 5.7% year on year. Gap gross margin for the third quarter was 42.3%, gap operating margin was 11.8%, and gap diluted net income per share was 35 cents. Third quarter non-gap gross margin was 49.5%, which was down sequentially and year on year, primarily driven by lower revenue and higher supplier costs. Third quarter non-gap operating margin was 26.5%, which decreased sequentially and year-on-year due to lower revenue. However, non-GAAP operating margin was above the high end of our guidance range. Third quarter non-GAAP operating income was $104.9 million, and adjusted EBITDA was $125.1 million. Third quarter non-GAAP operating expenses totaled $90.7 million, or 22.9% of revenue. SG&A expense was $40 million. R&D expense was $50.7 million. Other income and expense was a net expense of $0.9 million on a non-GAAP basis. Third quarter non-GAAP net income was $88.9 million and non-GAAP diluted net income per share was $1.19 and was at the top of our guidance range provided on our last call. Our fully diluted share count for the third quarter was $74.5 million. Our non-GAAP tax rate remains at 14.5%. On the balance sheet, cash and short-term investments increased $542 million sequentially to $2.6 billion, primarily driven by our convertible note offering. During the third quarter, we generated $76.6 million in cash from operations and purchased 3.3 million shares for $324 million, which includes 2 million shares repurchased concurrent with the issuance of our 2028 convertible notes. As of the end of Q3, we have purchased a total of 7.8 million shares, of which 5.8 million shares were purchased for $487 million under our $1 billion share buyback program. In Q3, we also funded a $30 million loan to Neoplatonics to support their revenue growth. This loan is consistent with the terms of our merger agreement. Turning to segment details, third quarter optical communications segment revenue at $344.2 million decreased 13% sequentially due to the expected seasonality in industrial and consumer and continued material and component shortages in our telecom business. Optical communications segment gross margin at 49% decreased sequentially and year on year, primarily due to lower revenue and product mix. Our third quarter laser segment revenue at $51.2 million increased 4% sequentially and 62% year on year. Third quarter lasers gross margin at 52.9% was approximately flat sequentially, but up year on year due to higher volumes. Now onto our guidance for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2022, which is on a non-GAAP basis and is based on our assumptions as of today. We expect net revenue for the fourth quarter of fiscal 22 to be in the range of $405 million to $430 million. Our telecom and datacom revenue is expected to grow by approximately $50 million sequentially in Q4. As Alan indicated earlier, due to the accelerating demand, this Q4 guidance also reflects over $100 million of impact to revenue driven by shortages of third-party components. However, we believe this demand is durable due to customers being at the initial stages of their network upgrades. Based on this, we project fourth quarter operating margin to be in the range of 26.5% to 28% and diluted net income per share to be in the range of $1.25 to $1.40. The midpoints of these guidance ranges reflect our expectation of record revenue, operating margin, and diluted net income per share for a fourth quarter. Our non-GAAP EPS guidance for the fourth quarter is based on a non-GAAP annual effective tax rate of 14.5%. These projections assume an approximate share count of $72.5 million and interest and other income and expense that is a net expense of approximately $1 million. With that, I'll turn the call back to Kathy to start the Q&A session. Kathy?
spk06: Thank you, Wajid. Before we start the question and answer session, I would like to ask everyone to keep to one question and one follow-up. This should help us get to as many participants as possible before the end of our allotted time. Operator, let's begin the Q&A session.
spk11: Perfect. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. If you wish to withdraw your question, please press star followed by two. If you have joined us online, please press the red flag icon. When preparing to ask your question, please ensure that your line is unmuted locally. And now our first question comes from Simon Leopold from Raymond James. Please go ahead, your line is open.
spk04: Thank you very much for taking a question. First, just a very quick clarification on the value you've highlighted, the effect of the shortages, 65 million in the reported quarter and 100 million in the coming quarter. Are those cumulative numbers or specific to the quarter? And then my question is, you had previously moved operations out of China and reduced your exposure to China. I'm sure you've got some sourcing from china and so i'm looking for a little bit of insight in terms of whether you have and if you can quantify your your risk from the china lockdowns and on this topic have you gained share uh from competitors because you have less direct china exposure thank you thanks thanks simon um
spk15: So specific to the quarter, the $65 and $100 million, it's basically as we enter the quarter, what do we see as a shortfall based on customer demand and what we're able to supply? So I guess you'd say it's specific to the quarter, meaning while we're growing telecom and datacom revenue by $50 million from Q3 to Q4, the gap between our ability to supply and the customer demand has moved from $65 million at the beginning of Q3 to $100 million in Q4. So I hope that answers your question, meaning as we look at today, we're not able to satisfy $100 million of customer demand, some of that which rolled over from last quarter, of course. Does that answer your question, Simon?
spk04: Yeah, so it's basically –
spk15: 65 plus an additional 35 so it's it's building because you hadn't met the demand in march quarter and you can't meet an incremental 35. yeah i mean you could look at it at the same time again yeah at the same time we're eating away at some of it given that we are growing our telecom and datacom revenue by approximately 50 million dollars from q3 to q4 so what we're trying to say is while we're able to grow that business by 20% quarter on quarter, the demand is growing even faster than that from Q3 to Q4. As for your China sourcing impact on our business, we do have a factory in China still, and it was shut down during the lockdowns in the end of March for 13 days. So that did impact slightly our Q3 revenue. And more importantly, it impacted our ability to supply into our other factories for Q4, and that's factored into our guidance in Q4. On a component standpoint, we have been working diligently over the last couple of years to eliminate sole sourcing and get the ability to have dual sources and assurance of supply in situations like we're having today. As we look forward, minimal impact from the lockdowns on suppliers impacted by shutdowns. And as far as share gains are concerned, it's really hard to say because I think if we were able to satisfy the demand, yeah, we'd be gaining a lot of share. It's hard for me to tell without looking at what our competitors are announcing to know if we're gaining share, but I'd say we probably are.
spk04: Thank you very much.
spk15: Thanks, Simon.
spk11: Perfect. Thank you so much for your question. Our next question comes from Sameek Chatterjee from JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
spk01: Hi. Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I guess for my first one, I see you decided to exclude the 5.8 million of expense related to buying broker parts in the quarter from your non-GAAP numbers, if I'm reading it correctly, which does suggest that you think it's a bit more temporary, and you talked about sort of improving IC supply. So I just wanted to see, I mean, if I'm interpreting it right, are you thinking it's a bit more of a temporary sort of event for you where you're buying from brokers at higher prices, and what's maybe embedded in your fourth quarter guide relative to broker purchases, or is that really moderating very quickly? That's why you're treating it as temporary. And then I have a follow-up. Thank you.
spk16: Yeah. Hi, Samik. Yeah, so I'll start off with that one. Yeah, so on some very specific products, we are taking a look at some exception buys for components in order to meet our customer demand that we're seeing out there. Where we're seeing normal price increases on components for kind of, you know, what I would call regular standard products, you know, we are including that in our non-GAAP numbers because we're seeing that not being temporary, to use your words. But yes, you know, where we are seeing some temporary spot-by opportunities that help us meet customer demand for specific products, we are pulling that out to show, hey, this is what we think is temporarily impacting us. We do think that'll continue to impact us in Q4. I don't have a specific number because we are continuing some purchases in the month of April and the month of May. But yes, we're continuing that in our fiscal Q4. And like Alan mentioned earlier, we're expecting some of these supply shortages to continue to impact us throughout the calendar year. And where we see specific opportunities to go and meet customer demand, you know, and the opportunities there from a Spotify standpoint, we will continue to do that.
spk01: For my follow-up, you guided to a $50 million increase quarter-to-quarter in telecom and datacom revenue, and Alan, you talked about the EML capacity increase. Just wanted to see if you can split that out a bit further of how much of the $50 million increase is coming from datacom and Is this sort of step one in terms of EML capacity and maybe we get the full sort of benefit of this in the next quarter? Just wanted to think if this is the new run rate in terms of revenue for EML in 4Q or is there another sort of leg up in terms of capacity?
spk15: Thank you. Yeah. Well, of the $50 million, maybe perhaps I should say in a percentage growth basis, the EMLs are growing faster than the telecom business. And so if you look at it as a whole, The $50 million represents about 20% of that business in Q3 going into Q4. So EMLs are going faster than 20% and telecom growing slower than 20% to get to that $50 million. We do have additional EML capacity coming online. This is pretty much the implementation of what we've been talking about over the last year and a half coming online really in full course in Q4. We do have more coming online that will impact really calendar 23. So we'll get incremental improvements of capacity through efficiencies and productivity, but this is pretty much the incremental capacity that we've added that we've been talking about for the last 18 months. Great. Thank you.
spk01: Thanks for taking my questions. Thanks, Sameek.
spk11: Perfect. Thank you, Sameek, for your question. Our next question comes from Alex Henderson from Needham. Please go ahead.
spk02: Great. Just on that last question, you said incremental capacity in Q4. Did you mean fiscal Q4 or calendar Q4, just to clarify?
spk15: For the EMLs, Alex?
spk02: Yeah, you were talking about EML capacity coming on additionally in Q4. But it wasn't clear whether you meant fiscal or calendar.
spk15: I meant fiscal. So we saw some of the improvement coming in Q3 as a result of that capacity coming online. And in Q4 this quarter, we have a full quarter of that capacity. And that's why we're seeing a very large step up in our ability to ramp EMLs in the June quarter.
spk02: Is there additional capacity coming on in the back half of the calendar year?
spk15: I would say that capacity is being installed in the back half of the calendar year. That'll impact our ability to grow EML capacity in calendar 23. But between now and really calendar 23, it'll all come through yield improvements, productivity improvements, and things like that. It'll be more incremental incremental as opposed to this step function that we saw in our fiscal Q3 and now in our fiscal Q4.
spk02: I see. My question that I wanted to address, as opposed to tailing on to the last one, was you talked about double-digit growth in 2023 and beyond, fiscal years 2023 and beyond. Can you give us a little bit more granularity on the assumptions embedded in that. You talk about the 3D sensing business as kind of flat, up five, down five, kind of flattish in previous conversations. Is that the assumption in the double-digit growth in 23 and beyond embedded in that guidance?
spk09: Hey, Alex, this is Chris. Let me maybe take a crack at that. You know, I would first reference folks listening to, you know, we detailed this in a presentation at OFC where we highlighted our assumptions over the next three years. And as you highlighted, the industrial and consumer minus five to plus five. And but, you know, telecom and datacom being up into the double digits and same with lasers. I would say nearer term in fiscal 23, you know, the reason for the minus five to plus five on the industrial and consumer is we do expect that there is the possibility of share normalization. We've had very outsized share in 3D sensing, that share normalization being offset by new applications in the automotive industrial sector. extended reality markets, if you will. But nearer term, you know, that's an evolving market. So we'll probably see more than the minus 5% in fiscal 23, industrial and consumer. But reciprocally, the telecom and datacom lasers will probably be, you know, at the high end or above the estimated keggers that we had highlighted in that OFC presentation. So current situation in 3D sensing or industrial and consumer is well incorporated in our assumption of fiscal 23 revenue growth.
spk02: As a follow-up question, there was no mention of Rotums so far in the call, at least not that I heard. Can you talk a little bit about the situation in the Rotum market relative to how much it's being impacted by supply constraints, what the underlying demand feels like, and your ability to sell and install those products in customer systems.
spk15: Thanks. Yeah, good question, Alex. And we're not forgetting Rotems. Rotems are critically important to us and to our customers and to their customers. I'd say that Rotems and Rotem line cards have been impacted significantly by the IC shortages and where we've seen extremely strong demand. So if you go back and look at our pump shipments year on year up 50 some percent, Rotems are the other direction. And that's really because of constraints, not because of demand. So demand is extremely strong. And as the IC shortages improve, and we're seeing it in Q4, Rotems will increase as a result of that. So a lot of pent-up demand for Rotems. That's why, as in what Jed's prepared remarks, we think it's durable because in a lot of cases, we're sole sourced in these advanced Rotems, and customers critically rely on our technology and products for these next generation of networks. So rotums are very, very strong. I wish I had more ICs because I'd be able to ship a whole lot more in Q4 and beyond.
spk02: So if the rotums accelerate at some future period, does that then result in a reduction in the growth in pumps because you're sucking the pump volume into your amps and amps into the rotums? Thanks. And I'm done.
spk09: I think that kind of goes back to history. Yes, we internally supply into our rotums, so there could be some reduction in pump revenue, but we've added a lot of capacity over the past several years in pumps, so I'm not sure that will be that significant of an impact to revenue.
spk15: And we're continuing to add pump capacity as we speak, so As we defer more of those pumps to our internal consumption, it probably ties pretty well with our added capacity that we're adding over the next few quarters.
spk02: Very helpful. Thank you very much.
spk11: Thanks, Alex. Thank you, Alex, for your question. Our next question comes from George Notter from Jefferies. Please go ahead.
spk03: Hi, guys. Thanks very much. Maybe just extending the conversation on Rotums, I think you guys were working to qualify alternate suppliers on componentry into your Rotum product. Can you tell us where you are in that qualification process and when that might help alleviate some of your supply constraints?
spk15: Yeah, well, I mean, across the board, we've been looking at alternative sources that are And those certainly have gone a lot smoother than ones that require a board re-spin. And so those board re-spins have been challenging, as you can imagine, but we're confident that they're going to continue to progress and alleviate some of these concerns and some of our component shortages. I'd say that for more of the common parts, we've made more progress than on some of the complex parts that require both a PCB spin as well as firmware changes, and that's just taking more time. But we expect that to really come to closure over the next few months so that we'll see some ability to get these complex ICs in early fiscal 2013.
spk03: Got it. And then the other one I had was on DMLs. I think if I go back over the last few quarters, you guys were working off some inventory in China. I'd love to get an update there. Thanks a lot, guys.
spk15: Yeah, thanks, George. Good question. We have seen some of the DMLs that we, if you recall, over a year ago or so, we reversed some revenue or deferred some revenue. That has been... slowly starting to be recognized as those DMLs are being consumed by our customers and their customers. Still some inventory to go, but I'd say it's encouraging that there is movement. So I guess you can translate that into 5G base stations being deployed again in China, not nearly to the pace that they were two years ago, but certainly a signal that they are being deployed, which I think is a good sign for the future.
spk03: Thank you.
spk15: Thanks, George.
spk11: Perfect. Thank you for your question, George. Our next question comes from from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
spk07: Great. Thanks. A couple of questions for me. You kind of noted progress on the wireless front haul opportunity and just wanted to get a sense for how large you think that opportunity could be as it ramps kind of next year. And then second, just as you look to size kind of the $100 million difference between kind of supply and demand, just how are you guys thinking about how much – is forward ordering versus kind of how much is, you know, time equipment that they would have actually wanted in that quarter. Thanks.
spk15: Well, I'll answer the second question first and then ask Chris to tackle the front hall and the 10 G and 25 G tunable stuff. Um, I'd say that, you know, we, we have, we have long lead term mean time purchase orders from customers for requests outside of the existing quarter. We don't count that into a hundred million dollars. This is for orders that customers have said they want in either this quarter or prior quarters. And so from that perspective, I think the demand is real. Now, if we got all the ICs that we could ever imagine tomorrow where our customers want them all immediately, probably not because they're reliant on other supplies and other suppliers to satisfy those network build outs. So I think it's real. I think it's durable. And I think it'll bleed off over time as the worldwide semiconductor situation gets better. But we don't see that being alleviated until calendar 2023. Chris, you want to take the wireless front haul question?
spk09: Sure. And I'd also like to tag on to the $100 million piece. I think there's a... Something important to highlight, right, that it's not $100 million, you know, a little bit across every product line. You know, product lines that are not constrained are up, you know, tens of percent year over year. Whereas, as Alan highlighted earlier on the question on Rotums, Rotums are the other direction. But as they're, you know, integral to the network and systems, we expect they should be running at comparable rates. rates as the other product lines that are not constrained at the present time. And, you know, lo and behold, $100 million kind of reflects that when we, if you were to sort of hypothetically add that back to existing or our guidance, then all of a sudden, all the product lines are up in the, you know, similar tens of percent year over year kind of basis. Turning back to the wireless front haul, we participate in you know, two ways specifically in wireless front hall today. One is, as we've talked about in prior calls, supplying, you know, the DML lasers or 10 gig going to 25 gig lasers in our, what we would call Datacom, even though it's a telecom application, but, you know, very analogous to the kind of lasers we supply into hyperscale data centers. That business has been pressed, as we talked about earlier, But, you know, it has run at, you know, several tens of millions of dollars per quarter. And we believe that over time it can get back to that. So several tens of millions of dollars per quarter opportunity. The other way we play is, as Alan alluded to, 10 gig and 25 gig tunable lasers as WDM approaches start to penetrate wireless front hall as well as in the cable MSO fiber deep architectures. Collectively, those We expect very early stages, but are starting to ramp up to be multi-hundred million dollar a year market opportunities. So, you know, a very exciting leg to our story in that over the past N number of years, our telecom transmission has been, you know, reserved, if you will, to metro long haul coherent applications. And we haven't participated more in access or edge applications where the volumes are quite high. And now with the adoption of fiber deep and WDM architectures in 5G front hall, a very large market opens up that's very unique to our kind of tunable laser technology.
spk07: Great. Thanks. Appreciate the answers, guys.
spk11: Perfect. Thank you for your question. Our next question comes from . Please go ahead. Your line is open.
spk00: Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my question. My first one's just on the current reported quarter. If you look at telecom and datacom, It's down about 9% sequentially. You gave some breadcrumbs on the pump lasers being better. Rotem's having some component constraints. But could you just give us a little more color on the split between Datacom and Telecom as you look from the December to March quarter and how you get to that minus 9 overall? Thank you.
spk09: Well, I don't think we want to get into this. specifics on exact revenue levels, but I think what you can assume, as Alan highlighted, is we've been in Datacom capacity constrained and got a little bit of extra capacity in the March quarter. So you can assume Datacom was relatively flattish quarter over quarter and that any of the decline was driven by COVID-19 surge-driven supply constraints, somewhat unique in this case due to the surge in December and January timeframe hitting the telecom almost entirely.
spk00: Helpful. And then my other one's just on the Datacom side. So you're giving EML stats year over year now, and it looks like those are growing quite nicely. Could you just help level set how big EMLs are a part of that Datacom business now? You just talked about how DMLs were, you know, running tens of millions of dollars at a peak, but they're lower than that. Any kind of help with the split out there just so we have some feel for, you know, how big that business is getting? Thank you.
spk09: I think the best way to say it, it's in the range of 75%. 70, 75% of our total Datacom business at present. Emails, that is.
spk00: Appreciate it. Thank you, guys.
spk11: Thank you so much for your question. Our next question comes from Rod Hall from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Your line is open.
spk05: Hi, guys. Thanks for the question. I wanted to come back to this comment that I think you said industrial and consumer will be down more than 5% in fiscal 23. I kind of wanted to dive into that a little bit and understand, at least from a qualitative point of view, do you think that it's mainly due to the end market and kind of normalization of the end market? Is it share-related? Is it content-related? Maybe could you dig into that a little bit, and then I have a follow-up.
spk15: Yeah, Rod, I think this is our expectations with regard to share normalization or equalization. For the past five and a half or over five years, we've had a very, very large share of our leading edge customer. And we expect that at some point in time, share will normalize. And that's why we're set expectations that it could be down more than 5% from fiscal 22 to 23. Not anything to do with the market or device numbers or growth that are in customer. This is really more, as we look at share specifically.
spk05: Alan, you guys on content, you're not really expecting much change.
spk15: Sorry about that. Well, I was asking if that answered your first question.
spk05: Oh, okay. Sorry. I just, Alan, I wanted to follow that up and just say, are you, you're not expecting much of a change on content then, it sounds like. I mean, just normal kind of maybe declines in pricing, but otherwise not much of a content change.
spk15: You know, I think it could in the coming years. We're working on many different lasers of different types, and until they go into a product, it's hard to say, you know, how much, what models they go into, and things like that. We're not counting on, we're not counting on in that guidance any Android business, and that could be an upside, but I'd say, you know, we've been counting, we've been working with Android for years, and it, you know, it had its had its day when we were shipping meaningful revenue to Huawei on their handsets. But I'd say as far as content at our leading customer, there may be some increased content, but some of that will be offset by, as you say, price reductions over time. Okay.
spk05: My follow-up was just on these new applications, XR and automotive. I wondered if – I thought on automotive your commentary suggested maybe external sensing is coming a little closer. You've got a little more visibility, but I don't know if I misinterpreted your comments there. But I wonder, could you just talk a little bit about XR when, you know, roughly timing on that as an early part of the calendar year and then – Automotive, is that right, or are you getting a little bit more visibility on application for external sensing?
spk09: Hey, Rod, this is Chris. I would say that what we're highlighting is a lot of design win activity, if you will. both in the automotive and the extended reality applications. So very strong customer traction, design wins, racking up with multiple customers, and more importantly, meaningful customers in those spaces. From a timing standpoint, I think as we've been clear, automotive is a very long-term market, so it'll start small and increment upwards steadily. uh, extended reality has probably more opportunity in, in nearer term, but we still think, uh, I think we said this in the prepared remarks that, um, you know, we, we expect, uh, customer products to be launched probably calendar 23 timeframe would be our expectation, but you know, they don't, customers don't share with us their exact timing around, uh, product launches and, and, um, what they're going to be per se. As you can imagine, these customers are very secretive in this space about what they're doing. But I would say as, you know, we know that a certain number have been chipped this year and, or sorry, in calendar 21 and expectations of growth in the 22 and more meaningful growth in 23. Okay, great.
spk05: Thanks a lot, guys. Appreciate it.
spk01: Thanks, Rod.
spk11: Perfect. Thank you so much for your question. Our next question comes from Christopher Roland from . Please go ahead.
spk14: Hey, guys. Thanks for the question. My question's around comms. I guess there's a couple parts to the equation here, you know, supply and demand. For that 100 million supply shortfall, I was wondering if you could kind of break that up between Rotums, TC, and DC, and conversely, you know, from the demand picture, which of those three are you seeing kind of the biggest surprise in demand versus your expectation? Thanks.
spk15: Yeah, I would say the shortfall is primarily telecom. So it's If you say it's all on telecom or 95% of it is in telecom, the split between Rotems and transmission products is pretty close. I'd say Rotems have been impacted most in the past and in the March quarter was impacted significantly and where we're seeing some relief in the June quarter. I think As we get the semiconductors and we're working diligently, and I wanted to say thank you to the supply chain team. They've just done a fantastic job. But I'd say Rotums are the biggest hit as an individual product line, but then it goes into amplifiers, blades, and transmission products as well.
spk14: Great. Thank you. And then on the 3D sensing side, just to follow up there and get my head around it, if I'm doing the numbers right, we're down almost 30% year on year for the June quarter. I know this is a small base in June, but as we look out into next year, could we be down, you know, how would you put the odds at being down significantly more than 5% year on year? Could the Could there be a situation in which, you know, we're down 20% or something like that? Or in your best view, are we just looking to fall kind of much more modestly here?
spk09: I would say first that we didn't give a specific 3D sensing number for the June quarter guide. I would say that, you know, I guess it was a year ago or so, we said that the overall market due to chip size reductions would be down 20-25%, something like that. And what we've seen is, in fact, exactly that. And hence, that's why you're seeing the year-over-year decline in 3D sensing, for example, in the June quarter. What the market or more specifically what our revenue is going to be in our next fiscal year, we're not providing guidance much more beyond what we've said, but certainly the color we're providing is that minus five to plus five percentage. percent three-year kegger you could imagine it being a little more you know v or u shaped if you were to look at it on an individual 23 24 25 basis um as as alan alluded to share normalization you know if it happens happening um uh you know at least from a model standpoint assume you know next year and and then um you know, new applications come in and offset that in 24 and 25 timeframes. So I don't want to get into specifics of how much of a decline, but certainly more than the 5%, but on a three-year basis being, you know, somewhere, you know, flattish to slightly up, slightly down in aggregate. Great.
spk14: Thank you, Chris.
spk11: Thanks, Chris. Thank you so much for your question. Our next question comes from Michael Genovese from Rosenblatt Securities. Please go ahead.
spk12: Thanks a lot. A lot of good questions have been asked, so I'll just ask a quick one question. You've got the $50 million sequential increase in telecom and datacom revenues this quarter, and just looking at your operating margin and EPS guidance. It seems like that actually is coming at a pretty decent gross margin. So can you just talk about how you did that in this environment? Are you avoiding expedite fees on this incremental amount? And talk about how you have solid gross margins even in this supply chain, please. Yeah, hi.
spk16: So I'll start off. So, you know, I think you've seen for a number of quarters, we've been, you know, talking about our overall company margin model. And, you know, for two years in a row, on a fiscal year basis, we've been fairly consistent in achieving or exceeding our model, both from a gross margin standpoint, and from an operating margin standpoint. And actually, If you take a look at the midpoint of our fiscal Q4, we will actually improve gross margins year over year. And one of the biggest drivers for us is really operating leverage. And so when our lasers business is growing as it has year over year and sequentially, that's covering a lot of manufacturing overhead for us, and that's helping us drop more to the bottom line. In addition to that, where we're seeing a lot of growth, both in our transmission and our telecom business, the margins for those products are quite good relative to historically what we've seen. Our 10G tunable products are doing quite well in transmission, and we're seeing the benefit of that fall to the bottom line. Our operating expenses have stayed fairly consistent as we've continued to invest in R&D, and so that's been helping us too. um yeah we're we're expecting uh some expedite fees to happen you know when we have one component left uh and the only way to get the product to the end customer is to do a spot buy uh you know we'll continue to do that um and you know we think it'll uh it'll it'll help our overall customer satisfaction and you know our main goal is to is to meet or exceed our customer expectations and that's that's how we're running the company and that's how we're driving our financial model as well so So, yeah, I mean, it's really just, you know, the leverage we're seeing on our telecom and our lasers business, as well as our datacom business improving, you know, quarter over quarter. You know, we popped out some EML numbers, Chris did earlier, and that's really helping us as well. So, it's really those things.
spk12: A great place for all that color, would you?
spk11: Thanks, Michael. Thank you so much. Our next question comes from Ananda Barua from Loop Capital. Please go ahead.
spk10: Thanks, guys, for taking the questions, and congrats on the strong results. Just two quick ones, if I could. I guess the first is, with demand continuing to accelerate, Any concept you can share with us about how it impacts second half of calendar year seasonality? And then just as a clarification, you know, do you guys, is it accelerating at a faster pace today than you thought it might have been 90 days ago? 90 days ago, you guys were quite positive as well. And then I have a quick follow-up. Thanks.
spk15: Yeah, thanks for the question. I would say it's accelerating as we expected, given we've been signaling the transition to 400, 600, 800G coming, and the new network architectures focused on our leading edge Rotem technology. So I'd say the demand is coming into play as expected. The supply, on the other hand, is tougher. And so I'd say We're not lacking demand, and I don't think we're going to be lacking demand for several quarters. It's a matter of what does the semiconductor situation look like in the second half of the calendar year, and that will really dictate what the telecom revenue looks like in our fiscal Q1 and fiscal Q2. We're working diligently to continue to try to improve that, but the situation is not totally solved yet. And so that's a challenge for Q1 and Q2. And we're only going to guide one quarter at a time because the visibility is a little bit tough beyond the short-term horizon on what's going to happen with semiconductors.
spk10: That's super helpful. And then, Wajid, just a quick follow-up on the previous operating market question. Is that to say that we should expect good leverage going forward. As you mentioned, you're putting up good leverage in the June quarter. You have been in recent quarters. So should that be something we should expect as well going forward? Thanks.
spk16: Yeah, no, certainly we're expecting to have continued leverage as we move into fiscal year 23. I think the one point of caution is we are seeing increased component costs that are impacting us. And as that continues to happen in fiscal year 23 with the supply shortages that Alan talked about, we're going to continue with our target model, but we're not going to communicate any changes to it. In addition to that, just as a reminder, our expectation on neoplatonics is that that closes in the second half of our calendar year. And as that comes on board, We're going to have a lot of work to do from, you know, some of the synergies commitments that we've made to all of you. And that's going to have some transitional impact on our overall gross margin model as well. So I just want to make sure that we all keep that in front of us.
spk10: Thanks for that contact. Appreciate it.
spk06: Thanks, Ananda. Victoria, I'd like to squeeze in one more question if we could.
spk11: Perfect. Thank you, Ananda. Our final question comes from Dave Kang from B Reilly. Please go ahead.
spk13: Thank you. Good morning. My two questions. First one is regarding China. What's the situation with Shenzhen factory? How much revenue does it generate and is it running 100% or partially? And my follow-up is regarding the supply chain impact. It was 65 million. Now this quarter, it'll be a hundred million. When do you think it'll inflect?
spk15: Okay. So China Shenzhen is back running full force. And it's, it's hard to say how much revenue it generates because it makes components to go into other factories. And it, it primarily produces sub-assemblies and components for our telecom transmission business. So a large percentage of our telecom transmission business goes through that factory. And as I said earlier, we were shut down for 13 days in March. That impacted our revenue in the Q3 numbers, as well as the components that flowed into other factories in Q4, and that's factored into our guidance. When does the supply chain, the second question on supply chain, when does it inflect? Is that the question?
spk13: Yeah, so it's been going up. When do you think it'll start to come down?
spk15: You know, it's hard to say. If you could tell me when the semiconductor shortage is end, I can tell you the answer to that. But I'd say, you know, we believe that the demand for our telecom products and our leading edge rotums and high-speed transmission products is extremely robust, and it's going to continue to be robust. And that's why it gives us confidence in the double-digit growth in fiscal 23 over 22 and beyond. So I'd say, you know, demand is going to continue to be strong. We're going to have component challenges into calendar 23. And, you know, when does that go away is a little bit of a hard question to answer. But I'd say that demand is, again, not our problem in the short term, and I don't think it's our problem through fiscal 23. Thank you, Dave.
spk06: Thank you. Now I'd like to just pass the call back over to Alan for some closing remarks.
spk15: Great. Thank you, Kathy. I want to thank our customers and suppliers for their partnership in these challenging times. I would also like to leave you with a few thoughts as we wrap up this call. I am very excited about the accelerating customer demand in telecom, datacom, and lasers and the work our team continues to do to improve our supply of third-party ICs and to increase our manufacturing capacity to support this ongoing demand strength. Additionally, The opportunities we have in automotive, extended reality, and industrial applications, which increasingly leverage 3D sensing and LIDAR capabilities at Lumentum, are emerging and will drive diversification and growth. Our market-leading products and technologies positions us well for these opportunities ahead. With that, I would like to thank everyone for attending, and we look forward to talking with you again during upcoming investor events. which you will find posted on our website. Thank you for attending.
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