Open Lending Corporation

Good afternoon and welcome to Open Lending's fourth quarter and full year 2023 earnings conference call. As a reminder, today's conference call is being recorded. On the call today are Keith Jacek, CEO, and Chuck Heal, CFO. Earlier today, the company posted its fourth quarter and full year 2023 earnings release and supplemental slides to its investor relations website. In the release, you will find reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP financial measures discussed on this call. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that this call may contain estimated and other forward-looking statements that represent the company's view as of today, February 27, 2024. Open lending disclaims any obligation to update these statements to reflect future events or circumstances. Please refer to today's earning release and are filing with the SEC for more information concerning factors that could cause actual results to differ from those expressed or implied with such statements. And now I'll pass the call over to Mr. Keith Jacek. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Operator, and good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for Open Lending's fourth quarter and full year 2023 earnings conference call. I am pleased to report that excluding a negative change in estimate associated with our profit share, we exceeded the high end of our guidance range for certified loans and revenues in the fourth quarter. I am proud of our team and would like to thank each of our team members for delivering these results. For the full year 2023, we certified nearly 123,000 loans and delivered total revenue of $117.5 million, adjusted EBITDA of $50.2 million, and generated $75.5 million in cash before repurchasing $37.3 million in our common stock. As I reflect on 2023, the automotive lending environment, which directly impacts open lending, faced constrained inventory levels, the highest Fed funds rate in over 20 years, a high consumer affordability index, which represents the weeks of income needed to purchase a vehicle, and worsening credit availability and credit performance metrics. Additionally, credit unions experienced decades-low share growth and the highest loan-to-share ratio since prior to the pandemic. Against this market backdrop, we continue to improve our product and technology, further refine our go-to-market strategy, and invest in key talent to position us well for growth as industry conditions improve. We remain focused on our mission to change lives by making transportation affordable. Notably, one of our most significant accomplishments in 2023 was launching an enhanced lender's protection proprietary scorecard in the fourth quarter. Our new scorecard includes three additional alternative data sources beyond LexisNexis. The additional data provides us with access to 350 million detailed transactions, over 170 million consumer checking accounts, and an expanded suite of credit report attributes developed and maintained by TransUnion. Our model leverages AI and machine learning algorithms and is trained and validated against a large set of proprietary lender's protection data to identify the most predictive credit risk attributes for our borrowers. We anticipate that over time, the new scorecard could lower default frequency by better predicting risk, which we expect will improve our lenders, our carriers, and ultimately open lending's performance. This effort was recently recognized by the National Association of Federal Credit Unions, or NAFQ, who selected open lending as the winner of the 2023 NAFQ Innovation Award for our Enhanced Lenders Protection Scorecard. The award recognizes companies making the most valuable and innovative contributions to credit union success, including groundbreaking advancements in technology and software. In addition to the new scorecard, the team delivered on additional improvements to our product and technology in 2023, including improved our co-application underwriting logic to further align with our default probabilities, implemented a pre-qualified decision helping bolster our lenders' ability to provide a better direct-to-consumer experience, developed and deployed a new claims adjudication platform to improve internal efficiency and turnaround time of our claims process, and incorporated complex logic for decisioning that is difficult for lenders to implement in loan origination systems, thereby enhancing and improving our customers' daily workflows. Through these actions and others, we have and will continue to implement improvements to our product and technology with the expectation of making it easier to do business with open lending. Turning to our go-to-market execution, In the fourth quarter of 2023, we added 15 new accounts as compared to 19 in the prior year quarter. Of the accounts recently added, I am pleased to report that 20% of these were larger accounts with combined total assets of almost $20 billion. In comparison, in Q4 2022, only 5% were of a similar size. This is a testament to our focus on signing new accounts that are more likely to contribute meaningful certified loan volume, have lending capacity, and operate loan origination systems for which we already have existing successful technology integrations. In addition, we continue to closely monitor macroeconomic and auto sector conditions. First, I would like to provide further insights into the challenges we faced in 2023. On affordability, consumers faced elevated vehicle prices brought on by supply and demand shock, high interest rates, and higher total cost of ownership with gas, insurance, and maintenance expenses up almost 15% year over year. Auto industry loan delinquency rates reached 15-plus year highs as consumers continued to be stretched with declining savings rates, which was 3.7% in December 2023, down from a peak of over 30% in April 2020. In addition, Total credit card debt is now $1.13 trillion, which is up almost 15% year over year, indicating even more pressure on the consumer. In this environment, we have seen most all auto lenders tighten their underwriting standards and shift towards prime and super prime consumers as lenders seek to perceive safety of these borrowers. Credit unions continue to be challenged as they experience the slowest share or deposit growth since 1991 with Q3 2023 share growth of 1.7 percent compared to the lowest level before FY2023 of approximately 3.5 percent. This, combined with high loan-to-share ratios, has led to a slowdown in loan growth throughout 2023, impacting open lending as credit unions represent approximately 75 percent of our total CERT volume. Looking ahead to 2024, we do anticipate market stabilization. Cox Automotive recently released its 2024 forecast and called for a return to normalcy in the US auto market. The report predicts 2024 will be the best year for car buyers since the pandemic. Cox is expecting vehicle inventory to rise in 2024, prices to decline slightly, and incentives to be higher. Additionally, the interest rate environment has been stable since August 2023, and many signs point to potentially lower rates later this year. Should that happen, we would expect that to be a benefit to consumer affordability. For used vehicles specifically, the Mannheim Used Vehicle Value Index, or MOVIE, a leading indicator of wholesale used auto prices, declined to 7% in 2023 compared to 2022, though the index remains approximately 35% higher than pre-pandemic levels. Cox's current forecast projects only a half a percent increase in the movie in 2024, suggesting used auto prices are unlikely to increase materially in the near term, which would be a net benefit for open lending. Historically, these cycles in the automotive industry have always proven to rebound and are nearly always led by used autos. As you may have heard me say previously, consumers can defer the purchase of a new vehicle, but ultimately, they cannot defer the purchase of transportation. Now turning to our core customer, credit unions, there are early signs of increased share growth. Preliminary data suggest average credit union share growth in Q4 2023 was 2%, an almost 20% sequential increase compared to Q3 2023. This represents the first increase in share growth since Q1 2021, but as seen in prior cycles, it will take time for loan growth to improve as credit unions build up shares so that their loan-to-share ratio can decrease from their near 10-year plus highs of 85% in Q4 2023. Lastly, auto loan growth in Q4 2023 was 2.9%, near the lowest levels observed since the beginning of the pandemic, which was 1.8%. Based on this data, and absent any further deterioration, the slowdown of lending at credit unions may be approaching a bottom. Moving to the OEM captive segment, in Q3 2023, these lenders had the highest market share of all lender types at 30% of total autos financed in the U.S., up from only 21.5% in Q3 2022. This fact is reflected in open lending certified loan volumes from OEMs, which for full year 2023 increased over 15% compared to prior year. Should these lenders continue to capture share in the market, we anticipate we will continue to benefit. With the automotive market expected to stabilize and credit union lending possibly nearing a bottom and growth in the OEM segment, we believe there are signs that the market conditions will improve in the near future. Our goal is to be well positioned for that inevitable return to growth. Now let me turn to our priorities for 2024, which we anticipate will help us maximize near-term opportunities and allow us to capture the growth. First, we will optimize the core business. We plan to further enhance our sales and account management capabilities to better serve our existing clients and more rapidly and effectively acquire new credit union customers to capture market show over time. We will continue to closely monitor developing market conditions, particularly around credit metrics, such as defaults and delinquencies, and make underwriting and pricing adjustments as needed throughout the year to optimize performance and profitability. We will continue to evaluate the appropriate number of carrier partners with a balanced allocation across our partners based on our current certified loan volume, along with anticipated future growth. To that end, we recently signed a program management agreement with Core Specialty Insurance Holdings, enabling them to be an additional provider of credit default insurance policies for our lenders protection platform. One of the central reasons why auto lenders have come to rely on and trust Open Lending is that we have the stability and firm backing of our A-rated insurance carrier partners. We are pleased to have Core Specialty join us in adding to that stability on behalf of our lenders and the consumers they serve. Secondly, we plan to expand our focus in the bank segment where we already have dozens of producing lenders and signed two new bank customers in FY 2023. We're investing in a dedicated team with existing relationships within community and regional banks who are capable of selling the unique value proposition of our product to this segment. Based on our analysis, this is a very significant opportunity, and importantly, most participants in this market are larger than our average credit union customer. Additionally, based on our conversations with bank prospects, they have the lending capacity and the appetite to lend in this environment. To wrap up, I would like to express my continued confidence in the long-term opportunities before us. I'm encouraged by the response of our team during these difficult times in our industry. I would like to again sincerely thank all of our team members for their efforts. I remain confident about our position in 2024 and beyond as we execute on our mission to change lives by making transportation affordable. I believe our value proposition to the various players in the auto retail ecosystem is strong, in fact, strong as ever, and by executing on our priorities in 2024, we'll be well positioned to capture the pent-up demand as the auto industry inevitably recovers. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Chuck to review Q4 results in further detail, as well as provide our thoughts on the outlook for Q1 2024. Chuck?

Thanks, Keith. During the fourth quarter of 2023, we facilitated 26,263 certified loans compared to 34,550 certified loans in the fourth quarter of 2022. Total revenue for the fourth quarter of 2023 was $14.9 million, which includes an ASC 606 negative change in estimate of $14.3 million associated with our profit share, compared to $26.8 million in revenue in the fourth quarter of 2022, which includes a negative change in estimate of $12.8 million. Excluding the negative change in estimate in fourth quarter of 2023, we exceeded the high end of our guidance range for both certified loans and revenues. To break down total revenues in the fourth quarter, program fee revenues were $13.5 million and claims administration fees and other revenue were $2.6 million, while profit share revenue was negative $1.1 million due to the impact of the previously mentioned negative change in estimate. As a reminder, profit share revenue is comprised of the expected earned premiums, less the expected claims to be paid over the life of the contracts, and less expenses attributable to the program. The net profit share to us is 72%, and the monthly receipts from our insurance carrier partners reduce our contract asset. Profit share revenue in the fourth quarter of 2023 associated with new originations was $13.2 million or $501 per certified loan as compared to $18.9 million or $546 per certified loan in the fourth quarter of 2022. As a reminder, U.S. GAAP revenue recognition rules related to variable consideration require that we reevaluate the reported profit share revenue estimate for prior periods based on new available information each quarter. This process requires the evaluation of both internal and external information available during the period to quantify the change in estimate for the quarter. Profit share change in estimate is a measure of current quarter cumulative actual data combined with changes to previously forecasted frequency of default, severity of loss, and prepayments. In applying this accounting standard, to the extent new information presents a negative impact to previous forecasts, the change in estimate will result in a negative impact to our operating results. And vice versa, when new available information represents a positive adjustment to previous forecasts, this will result in a positive impact to our operating results. The Q4 2023 14.3 million negative change in estimate is associated with cumulative total profit share revenue recognized of over 380 million for periods dating back to ASC 606 implementation date in January of 2019 and represents over 400,000 insured enforced loans in the portfolio. Importantly, to put this in perspective, the cumulative profit share change in estimates since 2019 is a positive $5.6 million, which includes the impact of the negative adjustment recognized in the fourth quarter of 2023. As Keith mentioned, auto industry delinquency rates have increased to 15-plus year highs, which we considered in combination with the higher than expected claim submissions and adjusting projections to reflect higher frequency of default, the primary driver of the current quarter negative change in estimate. In addition, the Mannheim Used Vehicle Value Index, or MOVIE, declined faster than industry projections at the end of Q3, and as a result, severity of loss was also a negative factor in the current quarter. Lastly, lower than expected prepayments were a slightly favorable factor as premiums on loans in force remained in the portfolio longer than previously projected. As you may recall, we implemented multiple price increases over the past two years to appropriately price for the risk that we are taking, and we will continue to evaluate further price adjustments. In addition to pricing, as Keith mentioned earlier, we launched an enhanced scorecard in late Q4 2023, which we anticipate will lower default frequency by better predicting risk. We are now better positioned to take additional targeted credit and pricing actions with a focus on driving improved performance for our lenders, our carrier partners, and ultimately open lending. Operating expenses were $17.9 million in the fourth quarter of 2023 compared to $17.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2022. Operating loss was $8.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2023 compared to operating income of $4.8 million in the fourth quarter of 2022. Net loss for the fourth quarter of 2023 was 4.8 million compared to a net loss of 4.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2022. Basic and diluted loss per share was 4 cents in the fourth quarter of 2023 as compared to a loss of 3 cents in the previous year quarter. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter of 2023 was a loss of 2.1 million as compared to a profit of 8.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2022. Excluding profit share revenue change in estimate, we generated $12.2 million in adjusted EBIT in the fourth quarter of 2023. There's a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP financial measures that can be found at the back of our earnings press release. We exited the quarter with $374 million in total assets, of which $240.2 million was in unrestricted cash, $29.3 million in contract assets, and $70.1 million in net deferred tax assets. We had $168.5 million in total liabilities, of which $145.3 million was in outstanding debt. In fiscal year 2023, we generated $75.5 million in cash before acquiring 37.3 million or 5.2 million shares of our common stock at an average price of $7.13 per share. We have $20 million remaining under our current share repurchase program, which expires at the end of the first quarter of 2024. Now moving on to our Q1 2024 guidance. While we are encouraged that market conditions appear to be stabilizing, the following factors were considered in our Q1 2024 guidance. The continued impact of affordability due to constrained inventory levels, continued elevated vehicle prices, and high interest rates, total cost of ownership, and of course inflation. Continued lending capacity challenges at our credit unions, elevated cost of funds making credit unions less competitive when consumers have other options, tighter underwriting standards as lenders continue to shift their focus towards prime and super prime borrowers, and high percentage of cash buyers due to elevated interest rate environment. Accordingly, our guidance for the first quarter of 2024 is as follows. Total certified loans to be between $24,000 and $28,000. total revenue to be between 26 million and 30 million, and adjusted EBITDA to be between 10 million and 14 million. We have a strong balance sheet, no near-term debt maturities, and generate positive cash flow, all of which afford us the resilience needed to navigate current market conditions. At Open Lending, we have navigated through these economic cycles before. Based on our analysis and experience, what is different in this cycle versus the prior two is the impact of inflation and how it is impacting our target market consumer. As the sector and macroeconomic conditions inevitably recover, we expect to capture pent-up demand and capitalize on the thoughtful and measured investments we have made during economically challenging times. We'd like to thank everyone for joining us today, and we'll now take your questions.

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your questions from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. The first question comes from the line of Peter Heckman With DA Davidson, please go ahead.

Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. Can you talk a little bit about the outlook for refinancing of auto loans? Rates seem to have reached a plateau here and may moderate. We didn't expect much in the fourth quarter, but I guess what are you thinking in terms of the appetite for some of your lending customers to resume some refinancing programs?

Hi, Pete. It's Chuck. I'll start and Keith can jump in. But you're right. I mean, we've seen rates stabilize since August, I guess, is the timeframe that we've not seen any further actions. We're unlikely to see a cut in March is what I think what we're all hearing now. But they have stabilized a bit. I think the key to us, as we think about our refinance business, and how it will really come back for us is really our primary customer credit unions in the lending capacity and just kind of being lent out. And even if there's an opportunity to refi, it's just having the ability to do that loan. And we believe that we've seen signs, as Keith in the prepared comments said, that we've seen signs of improvement of that. But I don't know if you want to add anything else.

Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, we certainly believe that there will be very large pent-up demand for refi as these rates have been put on the books, as you're probably noting, in the last year at the highest rates in the last 25 years. And so we anticipate a large pent-up demand for refi volume in the future. And in fact, it tipped up ever so slightly. Just call that one percentage point in our certified loans in Q4.

Got it. Got it. And then just in terms of the average size of institution, I haven't run all the numbers yet, but I guess... we're really not seeing the benefit of that just because of the appetite for, or the lack of appetite for underwriting a whole lot of loans below prime. I mean, certainly the number of, I think he ended the year with, what, 470 or so active financial institutions. I mean, certainly if we apply some of the metrics that we saw in prior periods to that, I mean, there really is a, significant potential for higher loan volumes as the market normalizes.

Well, you raise a good point. Again, this is Keith speaking. There is no doubt, as you're well aware, our strategy over the last 18 months has been to focus solely on the larger accounts. And as we begin to ramp up, these institutions will begin to add what we hope is significant volume as reflected in their larger asset size in general. And as you've heard me talk about, We just want to make sure that we have the successful integrations already with their LOSs so we can install faster. And in fact, our time to first cert volume, first cert for revenue has gone from roughly 180 days down below 100 days. So not only are we targeting the bigger accounts, but we're able to get to first revenue much, much faster. Okay.

All right. Thank you. I'll get back in the queue.

Thanks, Pete.

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of David Schaaf. with GMP securities.

Please go ahead. Thanks for taking my questions today. Keith, I wanted to follow up on some of the commentary on credit union growth. You noticed the slowest deposit growth in, I guess, 25 plus years. Were you indicating, I was writing down too quickly, did you start to see some first signs of a rebound in the fourth quarter? Just trying to get a sense for, you know, in different rate environments, you know, what the competitive aspects are of credit unions versus kind of regionals and community banks, how they typically respond to a lower rate environment, what advantages, and just how your value profits is either more or less compelling to a credit union in various rate environments. Because increasingly, it seems like in recent quarters, the discussions have been focusing more on the liquidity of this customer as opposed to what's now a familiar refrain about the consumer side of your marketplace. Are credit unions bottomed out?

I'm sorry, can you repeat that last sentence?

I'm sorry, really trying to get a sense. I mean, are you getting increasing conviction that credit union lending capacity is finally bottomed out?

Well, yeah, we saw signs, and that's what I tried to refer to in my opening remarks, that we've seen an increase in share growth, which gives us a great sign for optimism. But let's just first just take a quick step back. you know, many lenders, including credit unions, you know, have taken a pause with the lag effect of the Fed's actions. And the Fed intended to tighten and slow down the economy, and lo and behold, they did. You know, all of consumer finance is down. But what we're seeing is a continued or a start to share growth in our credit unions. And we think that the coming interest rate relief will lead to a reversal of deposit outflows and will lead to So that'll lead to the current tightening of consumer credit being only a temporary thing. Prior cycles have shown us it's only temporary, and they will get back to their core mission of community-based lending.

Got it. Maybe as a follow-up, just trying to, once again, sort of taking a step back from all of the different external shocks and unique aspects of this cycle, one of the themes that you know, the company's always communicated is that part of the value proposition to potential new lenders is CECL relief. And, you know, instinctively, I would think in a higher loss environment where you're even, where you're having to reserve for even greater lifetime losses up front, that the value prop would potentially be even greater. And, you know, it seems like in this environment that hasn't necessarily been the case. Can you just talk about the conversations with potential clients during the sales cycle? You know, how Cecil Relief is sort of playing into those discussions? Or are you just finding that a lot of, you know, potential lenders are just so bogged down right now in uncertainty that, you know, that's not as much of a factor just yet?

Well, and again, this is Keith speaking. I love the nuance of your question because what we are seeing is in addition to being what we call in the industry lent out, so their loan to share ratio is being at decades high, And with share growth being at decades low, they had to in 2023 for the first time take on these CECL reserves. So it was almost this triple whammy to slow down the potential growth and lending. Our value proposition, the discussions that we have around CECL are just as valid and just as valuable as ever before. And we're engaged weekly in conversation with current customers and prospective customers about the value of the program to get them this much needed relief.

at it. Thank you very much. Very helpful.

Thank you.

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of Kyle Peterson with Needham and Company. Please go ahead.

Hey, great. Good afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to start off on some of the profit share and developments in the AC606 adjustments. I just wanted to kind of get a sense of how you guys are thinking about, at least in the 1Q guide, some of the different macro assumptions, just so we can kind of model in what the expected changes on the prior period developments are. Obviously, we've taken a couple negative revisions the last couple quarters, but what are you guys assuming, at least over the next couple months here on that front?

Hey, Collis, Chuck. I'll start. Maybe we just step back and just kind of think about the industry a bit. The credit market has worsened throughout fiscal 23. For all participants, consumer savings eroded, credit card debt increased, delinquency rates increased, and then loan loss across lenders continued to grow throughout the year. Delinquency for auto is at 15-year-plus highs. You know, and despite open lending, if you think about, you know, our strength of our decision and pricing engine, you know, we're not immune to the overall performance of credit, you know, like a lender. But, you know, it's important to note we're not the lender. And, you know, we're dependent on defaults and, you know, delinquencies and defaults for the lenders and their servicing. So we're not a servicer. So I think that backdrop kind of points to, you know, the delinquencies, you know, 60-plus day delinquencies in our book. you know, or 100 basis points better than the 60-plus in the non-prime in the industry. So, you know, we're 4.5%, 60-plus, and the industry is 5.5%. You know, I think as we think about the $14.3 million and what we booked in the quarter, and you think about the Mannheim Used Vehicle Value Index, the movie, you know, what we're seeing right now are the worst-performing vintages, you know, call it late 21s, And, you know, into 22, those vintages are, you know, put on at the peak of the Mannheim and the highs. And that's, you know, the peak claims and defaults are 18 to 24 months out. So that's what we're seeing and working through as a company and everybody in the industry is. So if you think about, you know, the 14.3 million we booked, it was merely just frequency of default was the main driver in the quarter. And then also severity of loss. You know, the Mannheim vehicle, the movie came down more than the industry expected, more than, you know, Cox expected, and that impacted us as well. So those were two negative impacts. And then there was prepay speeds were better than we projected, and that was a positive impact. So you put all that together, that's what generated the back book adjustment of the $14.3 million impact. in the book. So, you know, as we think about, you know, moving forward and your comment, you know, we feel like, you know, 18 to 24 months past those worst performing vintages, we feel like we're well into and feel like, you know, hopefully that's something that's going to be behind us soon. So, but I hope that's helpful. I just wanted to give a little bit of perspective on the kind of the back. And, you know, in the measures that we've taken, you know, Keith mentioned in the prepared comments, You know, we've implemented a new scorecard, our LP 2.0 card, that's going to be a better predictor of default, you know, delinquencies than default and the appropriate price for the risk and take, you know, less risk on certain, you know, different scores and credits. So we believe we're taking the appropriate actions, you know, to continue to protect our book.

I appreciate the color. And just to follow up a little bit, I know there's been a lot of conversation with some of the different bank volatility and concerns about concentration, specifically in some commercial real estate assets and such. But how have some of your conversations gone, I guess particularly with the bank clients, given some of the regulatory concerns impetus to diversify the loan book. Has there been more appetite from some banks that might have sort of glueskewed a little more commercial to maybe partner with you guys to diversify the loan book? Or have you guys not seen any impacts from some of the recent volatility with your New York community banks and such as of late?

Yeah, and this is Keith speaking. It's a good question. We were just at a large automotive finance conference the last couple of weeks ago, and there is a heightened interest from banks to grow the book of business around auto, and then specifically to kind of grow this book of business around this near and non-prime sector. As you well know, they need to check all types of fair lending boxes, and chief among those is the CRA, the Community Relief Act. So there's a great deal of interest in growing this book of business with the bank segment That's one of the reasons why, as I noted in our 24 priorities, that we're focusing more heavily on that cohort. Very helpful. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of John Hecht with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Yeah, afternoon, guys. Thanks very much. First question is, how do we think about I guess, seasonality, you know, of certs this year. I mean, usually there is a seasonal element to the business, but at the same time, you're talking about, you know, maybe trans-bottoming out and, you know, maybe as you go through the year, you might get some organic growth, kind of same-store sales type of activity with the newer counterparties that you guys have signed up. So, I mean, do we think that, you know, certs, which you kind of... in the middle of the range, you kind of sit flat in the first quarter from Q4? I mean, is there a chance or an expectation that the CERT activity would grow throughout the year, or will it follow more seasonal trends as we think about forecasting?

Yeah, hey, John, it's Chuck. Yeah, as we think about it, you know, we're just putting out the quarterly guidance still, as you saw, and, you know, there's just so much, you know, going on in the puts and takes, you know, of the guide and You know, the affordability around the consumer, you know, inventory levels, you know, elevated prices, I could go on and on. You know, we talked about lending capacity at the credit unions. You know, Keith talked about the, you know, the share growth or deposit growth. You know, it's in the tightening, you know, focused on prime and super prime. It's a difficult time to really project that. If you think about our flat from Q4 to Q1 in the guide, March is seasonally obviously a strong month for the company, but it is the best. Q1 is not always the best quarter. But March is a seasonally strong month due to tax season. But, you know, you probably read, as we did, that, you know, there's delay on tax refunds and even dollar amounts of the refunds are even smaller. So all of those things, you know, went into, you know, our... you know, inputs to the quarter. And as we, you know, think about full year, you know, the timing of any Fed, you know, cut, you know, we thought there might be a cut in March. It looks like that's not going to happen now. And, you know, hopefully later in the year we'll start to see that. But it's really hard to project.

Okay. And then thinking about program fees and profit share levels per CERT, I mean, Is the current range, I mean, I think you've been around 520 program fees per cert for a little while. The profit share, it has kind of drifted lower, but as you've repriced some of the premiums, where do we think those go on a trajectory basis?

Yeah, I think we'll start with program fees. You know, it's all based on mix, right? I mean, in volume, you know, we have the volume discounts on our program fees. So, you know, but I think modeling, you know, in that 520 range on average for program fee is fine. And, you know, on profit share, you know, around that 500, I think it's a good number to model. But, you know, we do have a new scorecard in place that we've talked about. And, you know, we're going to be better predicting this risk and the probability of default. But even at the $500 profit share range, you know, we've talked about this before, you know, to an ultimate loss ratio, you know, we've stressed that new vintage, the Q4 vintage, you know, to about a 64% loss ratio. So, you know, and we're seeing the new vintages perform better, you know, than the older vintages that I talked about on my previous comment about, you know, the late 21, 22 vintages performing worse. So, So there could be some room there, but, you know, we put it on the books at 500 with that stress in the current environment. But they're hopeful it will perform a little better.

Thank you guys very much.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Next question comes from the line of John Davis with Raymond James. Please go ahead. Mr. Davis, please go ahead with your question. Mr. Davis, if you have muted the phone from your end, please unmute your phone and go ahead with your question.

Hey, can you guys hear me?

Hey, J.D., yeah, we're here. Yeah, you must have been on mute.

Thanks for taking the question. This is Taylor on for J.D. Oh, hey, J.D. So just to follow up on the refi question, It looks like refis were about 5% of total certs during the quarter. So it's obviously been much higher previously, but still up quarter over quarter. So just curious how we should think about refis as a percent of total certs in 2024, just with the mentioned large pent-up demand.

Well, quarter over quarter, you know, refi at 5% in the fourth quarter of 23 is actually, you know, down from 14% in Q4 of 22. So, you know, it's been, you know, since the rate hikes and, you know, even starting in, I guess, early 22 when the Fed started taking action, you know, we went from a peak of 43%. you know, in Feb of 22 down to just single digits on the refi. You know, we still believe it's a great opportunity for us, and as our lenders have capacity and, you know, free up the balance sheets, you know, it'll come back because there's, you know, obviously affordability we talked about is huge to the near and non-prime consumer, and there's a lot of opportunity there to refi. But to give you the, you know, the exact percent of what that's going to be in 24, it's hard to say right now just based on the, you know, kind of the impacts to our our core customer and the lending capacity challenges.

And I would just add, and this is, we just think of it as a potential nice upside to the business. Absolutely. We know it'll happen and we know this, we call it a refi tsunami will hit our shores. We're just, we're just not sure exactly when that'll happen.

Gotcha. That's helpful. And then just on, you know, adding any new OEMs, I think recently you've, mentioned multiple OEMs in the pipeline. So just curious if there's any update there and how conversations are progressing.

Yeah, great question. And this is Keith. Progressing really nicely. As you've heard me say before, multiple large prospects in the pipeline, solid material progression through milestones throughout the sales process. These are long sales cycles. And we're cautiously optimistic that we'll have success with a couple of them. In addition to that, we keep adding just kind of larger enterprise-type accounts in and around the OEM captive space as well. So the pipeline is growing. The progress through the pipeline is growing objectively. And we're very optimistic about the future with additional captives. As you heard us say in the prepared remarks, The captives have now eclipsed all other lender types as the number one source of auto loan originations in the U.S. Thanks for taking the question. Thank you. Thank you.

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Well, thank you, operator, and thank you, everyone, for your time today. I just wanted to say, as we look forward, it's important to remember that the near and non-prime, thin-file, and credit-invisible borrowers are not going away. These borrowers will find access to credit. Open Lending offers a unique solution that combines over two decades of credit risk with default insurance that allows all lenders to offer fair rates to these borrowers while meeting their individual yield targets. Thank you again.

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