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spk11: Good day, everyone, and welcome to today's Marriott International first quarter 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Following the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. You may register to ask a question at any time by pressing star 1 on your telephone keypad. Please note today's call will be recorded, and I'll be standing by if you should need any assistance. It is now my pleasure to turn the conference over to Jackie McConica, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
spk13: Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Marriott's first quarter 2024 earnings call. On the call with me today are Tony Capuano, our President and Chief Executive Officer, Lili Oberg, our Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President, Development, and Betsy Dahm, our Vice President of Investor Relations. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that many of our comments today are not historical facts and are considered forward-looking statements under federal securities laws. These statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties as described in our SEC filings, which could cause future results to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by our comments. Unless otherwise stated, our REVPAR occupancy average daily rate and property-level revenues comments reflect system-wide constant currency results for comparable hotels, and all changes refer to year-over-year changes for the comparable period. Statements in our comments and the press release we issued earlier today are effective only today and will not be updated as actual events unfold. can find our earnings release and reconciliations of all non-GAAP financial measures referred to in our remarks today on our Investor Relations website. And now I will turn the call over to Tony.
spk05: Thanks, Jackie, and good morning, everyone. 2024 is off to a solid start as Marriott continues to deliver great experiences to travelers around the world. First quarter global rent bar rose 4.2%, with ADR increasing around 3%, and occupancy reaching almost 66% of nearly 100 basis points year over year. While overall industry RevPAR growth is normalizing post-COVID, we continue to gain RevPAR index across our portfolio and increase our market share of global hotels. Once again, we saw RevPAR growth across all three of our customer segments, group, leisure transient, and business transient. Groove, which comprised 24% of global room nights in the first quarter, was again the strongest customer segment. Compared to the year-ago quarter, group rep bar rose 6% globally. Full-year 2024 worldwide group revenues were pacing up 9% year-over-year at the end of the first quarter, with a 5% increase in room nights and a 4% rise in average daily rate. Leisure Transient accounted for 42% of worldwide room nights in the quarter. Globally, both leisure demand and ADR growth have remained remarkably resilient, driving Leisure RevPAR up 4% year over year. Business Transient, which contributed the remaining 34% of global room nights in the first quarter, had a 1% increase in RevPAR. We are making great progress on the multi-year digital and technology transformation of our three major systems, reservations, property management, and loyalty. Through this transformation, we expect to unlock new revenue opportunities, further strengthen our efficient operating model, enhance Marriott Bonvoy, and elevate the associate and customer digital experience. We still expect to begin rolling out our new cloud-based systems to properties next year. In the meantime, we're enhancing the digital experiences that matter most to customers, primarily how they shop and book through our channels. We also recently celebrated the five-year anniversary of Marriott Bonvoy, which added nearly 7 million members during the quarter and had around 203 million members at the end of March. Member penetration of global room nights reached record highs in the first quarter, at 70% in the US and Canada, and 64% globally. Since its introduction, Marriott Bonvoy has evolved to become a travel and loyalty platform encompassing a portfolio of more than 30 brands across nearly 8,900 properties and other travel offerings such as Homes and Villas by Marriott Bonvoy and the Ritz Carlton Yacht Collection. Marriott Bonvoy also spans numerous additional collaborations and member benefits including co-brand credit cards, in 11 markets and counting, and access to a broad range of unique, curated experiences through Marriott Bonvoy moments, including select Taylor Swift era tour concert performances. Looking ahead, we continue to focus on new ways to enhance the platform and connect with our members in their daily lives and across their traffic journeys. We had a very busy first quarter on the development front. We added a record 46,000 net rooms, growing our distribution by 7.1% compared to the end of the first quarter last year. MGM Collection with Marriott Bonvoy has now launched, with 16 properties in Las Vegas and other key U.S. cities now available on our system. While it is still early days, we've been extremely pleased with the initial booking pace and Marriott Bonvoy room contribution, which have both outpaced expectations. While the financing environment in the U.S. and Europe is still challenging, we have strong momentum in global signings after a record 2023 and have tremendous optimism for the full year. Both Greater China and APEC had notable deal production in the first quarter. Year over year, our open and pipeline rooms grew 6.7%, excluding the addition of our 17,000 city express rooms. Conversions, including multi-unit opportunities, continue to be a meaningful driver of growth, representing 30% of global signings in the first quarter. Our new mid-scale brands, City Express by Merit, 4 Points Express, and Studio Res, are seeing significant developer interest. Earlier this year, we signed our first City Express deal in the region since acquiring the brand. and we are in multiple deal discussions for other properties across the Cala region. We have also now opened our first Four Points Express in Turkey and have other properties in the pipeline. We also recently signed our first mid-scale deal in the APAC, a portfolio of more than a dozen hotels that are expected to be added to our system later this year. In the U.S. and Canada, we have commitments for around 140 studio res properties and are actively working on deals for over 100 more. Additionally, in about a month, we look forward to unveiling details on our next exciting brand launch, a conversion-friendly mid-scale brand in the region. As always, I've spent much of my time this year traveling around the world. It's been a pleasure to visit many of our amazing hotels and speak with our incredible associates. I want to express my gratitude to all of our associates for their continued hard work and dedication. As Leni will now discuss further as part of her financial review, we are raising our full year 2024 earnings and capital returns guidance on the back of the strength of our diverse global portfolio, the continued resilient and steady demand for travel, our strong international performance, and our continued rooms growth. Leni?
spk15: Thank you, Tony. Our first quarter global REVPAR rose 4.2%. Revpar in the U.S. and Canada, where demand has normalized, rose 1.5%. Growth in the U.S. and Canada was led by strong growth and large corporate business, with our top 100 accounts seeing the most sequential improvement in eight quarters. Leisure Revpar was flat in the U.S. and Canada, with more customers going abroad to find warmer weather. Our quarterly RevPAR result in the region was impacted by negative growth in March due to the timing of Easter, given less business and group travel the week before the holiday. The impact on the month's RevPAR was roughly negative 300 basis points. Of course, we expect a similar favorable impact in April's RevPAR. First quarter international RevPAR increased 11%. Growth was led by a remarkable 16.5% RevPar gain in APEC, helped by strong macro trends, sustained leisure and business growth, and an uptick in cross-border demand, especially from mainland China, as international airlift improved. RevPar in Cala rose nearly 12% in the quarter, with excellent leisure demand coming from the U.S. RevPar grew 10% in EMEA, with strong growth across most of our largest markets. Greater China experienced a 6% increase in rev par. While growth was strong in January and February, rising 10% for those two months, demand weakened a bit after the Chinese New Year, with slower macroeconomic growth and more outbound travel, especially from high-income travelers. First quarter total gross fee revenues were above our expectations, rising 7% year-over-year to $1.21 billion. The increase reflects higher REBFAR, rooms growth, and 10% higher COBRA and credit card fees. Global card acquisitions grew 18%, and card spend rose 10%, driven by significant growth in our international card programs. Incentive management fees, or IMFs, rose 4%, reaching $209 million in the first quarter. Significant increases in each of our international regions were offset by a decline in the U.S. and Canada, in part due to lower fees in Mali. First quarter adjusted EBITDA grew 4% to nearly $1.14 billion. Now let's talk about our outlook for the full year. Our 2024 outlook still assumes continued sturdy travel demand and a continuation of current macroeconomic trends. Global RevPAR is expected to grow 4% to 5% in the second quarter and 3% to 5% for the full year. By customer segment, RevPAR growth is still anticipated to be driven by another year of strong growth in group revenue, continued improvement in business transient revenues, and slower but still growing leisure revenues. RevPAR growth is expected to remain higher in our international markets than in the U.S. and Canada. While our full-year global RevPAR guidance is not changing compared to our prior expectations, we now expect higher year-over-year RevPAR growth in APEC, EMEA, and CALA, and lower RevPAR growth in the U.S. and Canada and greater China. As a result, we are raising our full-year adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EPS expectations, primarily due to higher IMFs from our international regions. In the second quarter, REVPAR growth benefits from Easter timing. Fee growth is expected to be in the 7% to 8% range. Our owned, leased, and other revenues net of expenses are anticipated to be lower than the prior year. largely as a result of a few favorable items in the year-ago quarter. For the full year, gross fees could now rise 7 to 9 percent to $5.2 to $5.3 billion, with non-REVPAR-related fees rising 9 to 10 percent, driven by strong credit card and residential branding fee growth. The sensitivity of a 1 percent change in full-year 2024 REVPAR versus 2023 could be around $50 to $60 million of REVPAR-related fees. Owned lease and other revenues net of expenses could now total $335 to $345 million. We now expect 2024 G&A expense could rise 1% to 3% year-over-year. Recall that there are a few discrete one-time items from 2023 that are expected to offset wage and benefit increases. Full-year adjusted EBITDA is now expected to rise between 7% and 9% to roughly $5 to $5.1 billion. Our 2024 effective tax rate is expected to be just above 25%. 2024 adjusted EPS is now expected to be between $9.31 and $9.65. We still anticipate net rooms growth of 5.5% to 6% for the full year. Additionally, we remain confident in the three-year net room's compound annual growth rate we discussed at last year's investor meeting of 5% to 5.5% from year-end 2022 to year-end 2025. For more details on second quarter and full-year metrics, please see our press release. Our capital allocation philosophy remains the same. We're committed to our investment-grade rating, investing in growth that is accretive to shareholder value, and then returning excess capital to shareholders through a combination of a modest but rising cash dividend and share repurchases. For 2024, factoring in the $500 million of required cash in the fourth quarter for the purchase of the Sheridan Grand Chicago, given our higher adjusted EBITDA expectation, capital returns to shareholders could now be between $4.2 and $4.4 billion. Full-year investment spending is still expected to total $1 to $1.2 billion. This includes another year of higher-than-historical investment in technology, the vast majority of which is expected to be reimbursed over time. As a reminder, the $500 million for the Sheridan Grand Chicago consists of $200 million of CapEx and $300 million elimination of a previously recorded guarantee liability. Investment spending is also expected to incorporate roughly $200 million for our owned lease portfolio. It includes spending for the elegant portfolio in Barbados, as well as the renovations for the fabulous W Union Square in Manhattan. We'll ultimately look to recycle these assets and sign long-term management contracts after renovations are complete.
spk20: Tony and I are now happy to take your questions. Operator?
spk11: At this time, the floor is now open for questions. If you would like to ask a question at this time, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. You may remove yourself at any time by pressing star 2. Once again, for your questions, please press star 1. Our first question comes from Sean Kelly with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
spk01: Hi. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. You know, Leni or Tony, I'd love to dig in actually on China a little bit. I thought the comment in Leni's prepared remarks about a little bit of the slowdown you're seeing there was incremental. So my questions are twofold. One, are you seeing that continue at all into April? If you could give us just kind of a little bit of a real-time feel. And Tony, I'm sure you've probably been over that region. So maybe if you could help us break it down by, you know, is this in Hong Kong, Macau, or is this sort of more broadly across some of the cities? And then secondarily, probably as importantly, is any of this translating into what you're seeing on the development front? Thank you very much.
spk15: So let me answer the latter part first, because that's very easy to point out, and that is absolutely no impact on the development front. Matter of fact, as Tony pointed out, we actually had a tremendous quarter of signings in Greater China in the first quarter, as well as APAC, for that matter. So really excellent continued demand for our brands and from owners there. Q1 was a little interesting in Greater China, Sean, a little bit of a tale of each month. And from that standpoint, you had a really strong domestic demand coming in January and February and with the Chinese New Year, but also reflecting the fact that last year in Q1, for example, Hainan, was seeing stunning increase in demand, all domestic, as they were coming out of COVID. So when you think about it for the full quarter, Hainan actually had a decline in RESPAR year over year, although very strong demand. And in Hong Kong and Macau, with much more relaxed restrictions, we had almost 30% increase in RESPAR in Q1, so super strong. The Tier 1 cities were very strong. Classic Shenzhen, Shanghai, Beijing, they did really well. It's really where we saw, interestingly, in March, the new Tier 1 cities is where I think you were seeing the impact of the overall macroeconomic picture in China, where it wasn't quite as strong as we might have expected. But again, overall, still really strong RESPAR for greater China at 6%. And again, for the full year, we still expect nice, strong RESPAR for greater China. But yes, a bit of a view that the macroeconomic situation there may mean that RESPAR is a little bit lower than we expected a quarter ago.
spk05: And Sean, the only maybe qualitative observation I would share with you, and I'll try to underpin it with one statistic. I was there recently. I was in Shenzhen, I was in Hong Kong, I was in Macau. And while it certainly does not feel as balanced and populated with international visitors as maybe we were accustomed to in a pre-pandemic world, it felt better than when I was there a year ago. And in fact, if you look at the first quarter, International guests represented about 15% of our room nights in greater China. That compares to about 28% in the same quarter back in 2019. So it is improving steadily, and the availability of airline seats is improving steadily. But I think over time that represents some additional upside for us as more and more international visitors return to China.
spk02: Thank you so much. Of course.
spk11: Thank you. Our next question will come from Stephen Grambling with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
spk19: Hey, there. We'd love to just clarify a couple things on the guidance. On the fee increase to the guidance, is that all IMFs, or is there any changes we think about, non-REVPAR-related contributions? And then I would love to just hear some of the moving parts for the increase on the owned and leased side, too.
spk15: Yeah, sure, absolutely. So, again, I'm going to do one of the last ones first, and that is this increase in fees does not reflect an increase in the non-REVPAR-related fees. We still do expect really strong growth, as we talked about, the 9% to 10% year-over-year in those fees, but not an increase in those from our prior guidance. I would say, Stephen, it's about 75% of the increase is from IMFs, really overwhelmingly, essentially entirely from our international markets. Just to give you a sense, a year ago in the first quarter, international was 58% of our IMFs, and this year in the first quarter it was 64%. And again, just as an example, in APEC, 90% of our managed hotels paid IMF in the first quarter, and in Cala, it was almost 80%. So they both saw some really nice increases. So we clearly outperformed, particularly in the IMF space. The remainder of the growth is really a reflection of non... REVPAR-related growth fees. For example, when you have in international hotels, very strong food and beverage sales, et cetera, where we're also getting fees, as well as the ramp-up of our fast-growing segments in Asia Pacific. When you think about a new hotel that's coming up, we're getting nice fee growth there as well. But 75% is really from the IMF, and obviously including the outperformance in Q1.
spk02: Got it. That's helpful. I'll jump back in the queue. Thank you.
spk11: Thank you. Our next question comes from Joe Greff with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.
spk04: Good morning, everybody. Hi, Joe. Hi, Tony. Lene, in your prepared remarks, you went through the three main customer segments going through your full year 24 outlook. And you talked about leisure seeing slow but still positive REVPAR growth. I think that was on a worldwide global basis. What is baked in for U.S. leisure REVPAR growth for the balance of the year?
spk15: Well, so generally speaking, we do see leisure relatively speaking, at the lower end of the growth, but still being positive. But I would put it towards the lower end. Group is going to be the home run hitter, again, for the full year. We do see BT being up as well and continuing to progress. As you know, Joe, in Q1, obviously, BT was weaker because of the month of March. But when we look at it overall for the year, we do expect BT to continue to gain ground. And if I can, I'm going to go back for one second and answer Sean's question on owned lease, which the increase in guidance there is overwhelmingly from a stronger performance in our international owned lease hotel portfolio. Sorry, Joe, I'm going to hijack your question there to make sure I answer what I was asked before.
spk05: And I think, Joe, the further answer to your question, the The differences we're seeing in leisure in the U.S. and Canada relative to global leisure are broadly reflective of demand patterns we're seeing across segments. If you look at the guidance we're giving, we're not changing our red bar guidance, but it's shifting a little bit. We're seeing a little more normalization in the U.S. and Canada. but continued increases in strength in the international markets. And I think that applies specifically to your question on the leisure.
spk04: Great. And then, Tony, I think in your prepared comments, talking about the MGM licensing deal, I think you used the words, you know, we're extremely pleased and outpacing expectations. Can you talk a little bit what that specifically means and maybe kind of throw, I don't know if it's adoption measures or share of occupancy, any kind of details would be helpful.
spk05: Yeah, not yet, Joe. I mean, I think it's so early. We just brought them on the platform, so it's more anecdotal than anything else. My guess is Bill and our friends at MGM will talk about it from their perspective as well. But having done these sorts of deals over the years, both parties have expectations about how quickly we'll start to get traction on booking volumes and bond void penetration. And we make some assumptions as we do those deals. And I think it's safe to say from Marriott's perspective, those expectations have been exceeded in the early days. Great.
spk04: Thanks very much.
spk02: Of course. Thank you.
spk11: Our next question will come from Patrick Scholes with Truist Securities. Please go ahead. Great. Thank you.
spk08: I wonder if you can talk a little bit about how 2025 and 2026 group revenue pace is looking. Maybe break that out both by Occupancy and ADR, you know, certainly seen a very good group business this year, but comps do get harder going forward, and I'm curious if you could give us some color on the future years with that segment. Thank you.
spk05: Yeah, so, Patrick, it's early to start talking about 2026, but I'll try to give you some visibility into group pace in 2025. Right now we're tracking off about 13%. And it is driven by both gains in demand and ADR. We're up about 7% in definite rooms and up about 5% in ADR.
spk02: Okay, thank you. You're welcome.
spk11: Thank you. Our next question will come from Brant Montour with Barclays. Please go ahead.
spk06: Good morning, everybody. Thanks for taking my question. Good morning. I wanted to talk a little bit about construction activity. Your pipeline went up, it looks like, nicely quarter over quarter. You back out MGM out of the construction pipeline. And so, you know, I guess, Tony, you know, is there a sense that there's been any change in the developer mood with this sort of latest notion that the Fed could be on hold for longer? And maybe you could talk through the lens of U.S. starts?
spk05: Sure. So maybe I'll go, I'll follow Leany's trend of going in reverse order. I'll talk a little bit about the pipeline and then let Leany provide some insights on both developer sentiment and construction starts. I agree with your observation. I think the trends on the pipeline are really encouraging. And the thing that was really encouraging to me If you look at the pipeline and just compare Q124 to Q123, because it's a decent apples-to-apples comparison because neither of those would have had MGM. We're up 9% year-over-year on the pipeline, and I think that's reflective of some of the broad trends that Leni described in her prepared report.
spk15: And when you think about kind of the overall environment, I think you've got a couple things going on. You've still got a constrained lending environment, certainly in the U.S. and Europe. I think at the same time, though, there is more confidence in a steadier economic picture, if you will, so that we are, for example... We've seen an increase in construction starts in the U.S. at about 25% compared to a year ago. So really seeing nice pickup as people start to move forward and look at a more positive environment with perhaps not quite as much volatility. And again, you know, as Tony is always quick to remind us, everyone you know this is a long-term business where folks are used to weathering the economic cycles and and recognize that if there's a great place to put a hotel with strong demand fundamentals it's good to get it going especially with a beautiful new product so from that perspective we feel really good we added 31,000 rooms to our pipeline and in the first quarter and really had strong momentum around the world in terms of developer interest across all brands.
spk06: That's super helpful. And then just as a quick follow-up, maybe not so quick, Tony, you mentioned that you guys gained RevPAR Index. Is there any brands or regions or segments you would highlight where you're taking the most share?
spk05: Yeah, so certainly I think the strength of our luxury footprint is an area where we continue to lengthen our lead. You know, we're pleased with REVPAR Index and the substantial premium that we enjoy really across the portfolio. I think that the one maybe caveat I would give you is that as our scale continues to grow, I don't know that RPI is as informative as it might have been a decade or two ago, particularly in a post-Starwood world. We've got many competitive sets now where the bulk of the set is our own distribution. And so I don't know that it's as relevant, but it's certainly a metric we track, and we're certainly pleased with the continued progress that we make.
spk15: The only thing I'll add to it is that as we look over time, we are very pleased see these rev part indices really globally and also generally within the continents at some of the strongest levels that we've seen over time. So I think it's a great sign of the power of Bonvoy and our brands to see that it's kind of consistently some of the strongest numbers that we've seen over time.
spk05: And when you look at the regions of the world that are outperforming, I'll use APEC as an example, one of the powerful drivers to the strength of our index in a market like that is our leading footprint. I mean, when you look across some of the best-performing markets there, having the industry's largest footprint in markets like India, Japan, and South Korea is helping us drive really strong REVPAR performance.
spk02: Great.
spk06: Thanks so much, everyone.
spk11: Thank you. Our next question comes from Richard Clark with Bernstein. Please go ahead.
spk16: Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just to start off with, you made a couple of comments about strong outbound travel out of the U.S. and China. How well hedged do you see yourself for that? Do those consumers stay in Marriott hotels when they travel to other cities? Or if that normalizes, does that become then a tailwind for you if domestic travel begins to pick back up again?
spk05: Yeah, it's a great question. I think the way I would answer it is to point to the comments I made at the outset about non-void penetration. It is not a coincidence against the backdrop of the environment you described that we set all-time records for Bonvoy penetration, both in the U.S. and globally. And to me, the strength of the loyalty platform combined with the breadth of our footprint in the international destinations where our guests want to travel, I think does create a tailwind for us.
spk15: And the only thing I'll add is kind of the interesting fact that we're really essentially back to where we were in terms of cross-border penetration. And while it may vary a bit here and there, we've clearly still got lower cross-border penetration in China, and we've got in some other areas a bit higher. I think Cala was particularly high in Q1. You know, in the U.S., it's very steady as she goes, where we've got basically only 5% of the customers in the U.S. are coming from outside the U.S., and that, you know, broadly speaking, our global distribution is just tremendously helpful as folks find the places they want to go within our system. But that overall, a lot of the variations really don't
spk20: drive that big of a change in Respar.
spk16: Okay, great. Maybe just as a follow-up on the loyalty comment there, one of your peers has been making, I guess, a bit of noise out of the fact that they think they will overtake you in terms of total loyalty members. Is that a relevant metric to you, and is any of that tech investment you're doing looking to engage a higher number of customers overall?
spk05: Well, without question, on the long list of loyalty metrics we look at, I think we have enthusiasm about having the industry's largest platform. But from my perspective, it goes much deeper than that. Size is important, of course. Engagement, to me, is a much more important facet of the program. And the work that we are doing to drive that engagement through our large, powerful, and growing credit card portfolio, through the breadth of experiences that we offer our members. Those are the powerful drivers of engagement with our members.
spk15: I think the penetration is obviously critically important as you look at making sure that you are helping your customers understand the value of the program and of all the options that they have, whether it be going to 141 countries or actually thinking about things like Ritz-Carlton Yacht and things like the Bonvoy moments that Tony talked about. So, you know, a number is a number, but I think it can actually not be a true guide for the power of a program.
spk02: Thank you. Thank you.
spk11: Our next question comes from Smeets Rhodes with Citi. Please go ahead.
spk07: Hi. Thank you. I just wanted to ask a little bit more about the trends you're seeing in the U.S. It sounds like you revised your U.S. expectations down a little bit, and it sounds like that's primarily due to Um, the leisure component, maybe more people going abroad, staying with your hotels there. And I get that your worldwide web per outlook hasn't changed, but is there anything else you're seeing in the U S that you can share that maybe led you to expect a little bit lower coming out here nationwide for the year? Or is it all, um, just because of what you're seeing on the leisure side?
spk15: Yeah, no, it's absolutely solely because of what we're seeing on the leisure side. Um, And again, we still do expect to see that it roughly will be, you know, up a little for the year on the leisure side. But we do view that BT and group are absolutely as strong as we expected. And leisure is still fine. But when you look at the change, which I would say kind of Broadly speaking, maybe a point lower in the U.S. than we expected a quarter ago, maybe a little bit more than a point higher internationally, kind of gets us to roughly the same place from a rev car picture globally. The other thing I'll point out is we do expect that our tiers across the segments in the U.S., we do expect that they will all be up for the year in terms of rev par from select service all the way up through luxury. But again, to your point, yes, it was the leisure segment. It was a bit lower.
spk07: Okay. And then I just wanted to ask you, you mentioned in your opening remarks a conversion-friendly brand. Could you just talk a little bit more about that? Kind of what are you targeting there? And is that primarily, I guess, for the U.S.? ? Sure.
spk05: No, it's global. And I think while we have a terrific track record of doing conversions across many of the brands in the portfolio, when we find ourselves in an environment like this where conversions are particularly important given some of the challenges in the debt markets, we feel like our transactors are very well-armed. with brands like the three soft brand platforms. So luxury collection, autograph, tribute, great examples where they have a level of flexibility, not on quality, but on aesthetic that is particularly appealing to a broad cross-section of the owner and franchisee community.
spk02: Okay, thank you.
spk11: Thank you. Our next question comes from Dan Pulitzer with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
spk10: Thanks for taking my questions. Leni, I think you mentioned that within group, the Fortune 100, you've seen the strongest quarter-over-quarter growth in quite some time. Can you maybe give a little bit of additional color in how that maybe compares with the small and medium-sized business customers? And maybe remind us, you know, which typically leads the other within the cycle?
spk15: So a couple things. One reminder that small and medium-sized businesses, that is probably the hardest segment to actually pinpoint all the specifics on the travel. But I think you did see in Q1, you did see the relatively speaking slightly lower percentage of small and medium-sized BT business across the portfolio showing up in the lower end. On the special corporate, on the larger company size, we absolutely continue to see recovery of that business. As you saw, for example, finance, the finance segment is now 8% up relative to 2019. You saw really strong continued momentum in manufacturing and communications. And actually, while accounting consulting and technology are still down meaningfully compared to 2019, they also continue to see meaningful momentum into Q1. When you think about the typical trends in a cycle, I think one quarter does not a trend make. We know that the month of March had some real calendar issues. And you also know that January tends to be a little hotline in terms of being able to determine trends because of the timing of when Christmas and New Year's are. So I think it'll take a little time. We aren't expecting a big difference. You may remember that we used to have pre-COVID kind of a 60-40 split between classic negotiated rate versus small and medium, then it flipped coming out of COVID. And now I would say we're kind of more towards the 55-45, with the small and medium still being the 55%. But yes, from a relative growth perspective, we did see that it was the special corporate end of things that really grew.
spk10: Got it. Thanks. And just for my follow-up, I think non-REVPAR fees, they were up maybe 6% in the quarter. I think you'd been talking about them being down and credit card fees in there. I think you also said were up. So, you know, within that residence and timeshare and other bucket, was there a shift around in terms of the fees there from 1Q to maybe 2Q, or is there something else that we should be aware of?
spk15: Yeah, I think as you're probably familiar that our residential branding fees tend to be quite lumpy. literally can go from $10 million one quarter down to $3 million the next quarter. Because as units are sold, we burn those fees. They are one-time fees on the residential sales branding fees. So if a unit sells out, we get them all at once. So that is purely timing. For the full-year perspective, we don't anticipate anything different from what we thought before.
spk02: Understood. Thanks so much.
spk11: Thank you. Our next question comes from Bill Crow with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
spk17: Hey, thanks. Good morning. I wanted to follow up on Smead's question from earlier. And Tony, you talked about normalization and U.S. demand, and certainly we've written the same thing. But industry-wide demand has been flat and down over the past year, which really doesn't seem so much as normalization as it does a slowdown, especially given the economic growth, which is a surprise to the upside. I'm just curious, at what point do we start to worry about the consumer and and maybe a changing spending pattern?
spk05: Yeah, a fair question. You know, I might have a deeper concern if we were reporting to U.S. and Canada negative rev bar. The fact that we were up 1.5% in the quarter, even with the holiday timing impact that Lene described, gives me some comfort. And if you kind of tick through the segments, Leisure was flat relative to last year's first quarter, but still meaningfully ahead of where we were back in 2019. In response to one of the earlier questions, I shared what I think are really encouraging statistics on the continued strength we're seeing in group. We were talking to the team yesterday that is selling doing advanced selling for the Gaylord Pacific project that's under construction, and they are hitting it out of the park. I mean, they are seeing extraordinary volumes of demand on the group side. And then even on business transient, I mean, to me, when I think about what Alini's comments, the fact that the growth in the U.S. and Canada, we saw large corporate business with our top 100 accounts seeing the most sequential improvement. We've seen in the last eight quarters. You know, I throw all of that in the blender, and it does feel a little more like settling into a more normalized pattern versus a really systemic falling off the cliff.
spk15: If I can, I'm going to throw in a little bit of a glass half full relative to what I think seemed like a little bit of a glass half empty question. And that is when we look at the rest of the year, we are looking both U.S. and internationally, gains in both OCK and rate for the full year. We also saw that in the first quarter, you saw through luxury, premium, and select, you saw that you had... generally rate and OCC gains overall with the exception that in the select you saw a slight decline in OCC, but for the full year we are expecting that we will continue to see growth. So, you know, broadly speaking, we still feel like we really benefit from these different types of travel demand. There's no doubt that we appreciate when group strengthens, when leisure increases, quiets down a little bit, and there is overall more normalization of travel types than a couple years ago. But when we think about the overall demand levels, we feel really good about it.
spk17: You know, that's really helpful. If I could just do a follow-up, a quick follow-up here. I think there's been a lot of optimism that especially this summer we'd see the inbound-outbound travel relationship in the United States kind of normalized, and that would propel demand. And I'm just curious whether there's been a shift in that thinking at all since you moved on the margin, your REVPAR growth more in favor of international from domestic. Maybe the strong dollar is not helping things. Any thoughts you have there would be helpful.
spk15: I honestly couldn't quite hear the question.
spk05: Yeah, I think the question is really just around U.S. travel, state domestic versus international. I think, Bill, your comment about the continued strength of the dollar is a pretty relevant data point to consider. I was at the, as you may or may not know, 2024 is the year of U.S.-Japan tourism, there's a big collaboration between the United States and Japan. And I met with the Japanese ambassador on Monday of this week, and he talked about the extraordinarily strong flow of U.S. visitors to Japan. And maybe innocently, I asked him how we can drive strong Japanese visitation to the U.S., And his response was, well, you can weaken the dollar against the yen. So I do think it's a relevant data point. It bodes well for our international distribution, and I think that is reflected in, while our overall REVPAR guidance hasn't modified, you're seeing meaningfully more strength in the international markets for exactly that reason.
spk15: So the only other thing I'll add is that one of the interesting parts is that when you look at Asia Pacific's REVPAR, while some of that benefits from Tony's comment about U.S. traveler, a whole lot of that is the reality that now China is opening up more for cross-border. So you are seeing global travel preferences, not just U.S. travelers. Interestingly, our U.S. proportion... of domestic travelers has been remarkably consistent over time, where, you know, it was for many years, it was roughly only 5% are from outside the U.S., and that the domestic business is overwhelmingly 95% U.S. traveler, and that is still the case now. So we aren't seeing that the U.S. business is really suffering from everybody leaving the U.S. I think it is more
spk20: the reality of global growth travel in general.
spk02: Great. Thank you both.
spk11: Thank you. Our next question will come from David Katz with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
spk18: Hi. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Tony, one of the last notes that you dropped in was about your forthcoming conversion and not to steal, you know, any thunder, but if we could borrow a couple of cracks of lightning and just talk about sort of why, why now, you know, what the sort of philosophical thought process is, you know, about sort of bringing that to market would be great.
spk05: Of course. I think, David, you and I have had the chance to talk in the past about our overarching growth strategy. And that strategy is really guided by this desire to make sure our portfolio offers the right product everywhere our guests want to travel for every trip purpose. And we learn with increasingly frequency that more and more members and prospective members of Bonvoy for certain trip purposes seek the price point and the value proposition of platforms in the mid-scale tier. The reality is given the climate for new construction debt in the U.S., having a platform that can easily pivot between both new build and conversion opportunities, the timing seems ideal to launch something in that space. Lene, I don't know if you want to add anything.
spk15: The only thing I would add is that a lot of this is both market research and conversations with our owners and franchisees. So when you think about the supply that's out there, where supply is growing and where it is not, we definitely believe that there is some great opportunity for us to add more new Bonvoy members' choices for them across the spectrum and frankly also meet owner and franchisee's demand for Marriott product that allows for conversions and markets that over time may have moved and changed, et cetera. So we think it's a tremendous opportunity. As you know, Studio Res, which is also a new mid-scale brand for us, is overwhelmingly new build, and it's extended stay. And we just think from our conversations that there will be great demand for us in this space as well.
spk11: Thank you. Our next question will come from Robin Farley with UBS. Please go ahead.
spk14: Great. Thanks. When we think about, I think when investors think about the algorithm for sort of top-line growth, it's usually unit growth plus rev par growth kind of getting to your top line growth. And this quarter, that would have been the 4 plus 7 getting to 11. But your top line is more up in the sort of 6% to 7% range. And is there anything that you would say how investors should think about that going forward? I know there's sort of different types of rooms. unit growth. So is that sort of rev par plus unit growth not the way to think about top line? Thanks.
spk15: So a couple things. I think, first of all, the algorithm absolutely works over time. You've got to be careful about looking quarter to quarter or kind of really looking at specifics that are happening in a printed number versus what the trend is over time. Because absolutely over time, we believe that it proves out well. And if you think about it, this year, our rooms guidance, you know, 5.5 to 5.9 and a midpoint of four on REVPAR. And we've talked about gross fee revenues having a high of roughly 9%. I mean, these are You know, even within the year, pretty close to that algorithm. So we do believe that the algorithm works and really just have to look at it not just one year in isolation.
spk14: Okay. Thank you. And then just a follow-up question on conversions. I don't know if you broke out the conversion percent outside of the MGM deal, just sort of looking at the traditional conversions as a percent of total conversion. but I think that your guidance for next year assumes an acceleration in conversions as a percent of unit growth. And is this the brand that you're going to launch that in the mid-scale segment you mentioned is conversion friendly? Is that in your mind what investors should think of as the driver for that acceleration in conversions in 25 versus 24? And maybe there are other things that you haven't yet talked about that, you know, other brands to come or something, but just wondering if that, if this upcoming one would be the main driver for that.
spk15: So just as a reminder, conversions were roughly 30% of our signings this year in first quarter, and we've got a very strong stream of conversions moving through the pipeline. So, no, while we do see tremendous opportunity there, the kinds of numbers that we've talked about and talked about last September did not include assumed expectations would be from this new brand on conversions. We said roughly 30% of the room ads ex-MGM would be from conversions, and we continue to believe that, but that's not really a change for us over the last couple of quarters.
spk11: Thank you. Our next question will come from Chad Bainan with Macquarie. Please go ahead.
spk12: Morning. Thanks for taking my question. Two-parter from me on the, or ahead of the domestic election. I recall last presidential election, there was a little bit of softness in DC as You know, people were just kind of out hustling elsewhere. Does that factor into 4Q? Should that be meaningful or is that meaningless? And then secondly on that, is there anything kind of hinged on the election that you're looking at that could change the outlook in travel based on what you're seeing from the candidates? Thanks.
spk05: Yeah, well, we better add another hour to the call to take the second part of your question, I think. You know, maybe the way I would answer the second part of your question, on a global basis, travel and tourism thrives in relative stability. I think uncertainty around the election creates all sorts of question marks. We'll get through the election and post-results. We hope we'll settle into a little bit more stability. In terms of some of the policy issues that directly impact Marriott and travel more broadly, my sense is we will likely still end up with a bit of division in Congress, so you may not see strong moves one direction or the other. And I'm sorry, your first question was on impact of the election itself in D.C., I think.
spk15: Right. And generally speaking, I would say we do see that there is a dip in government travel after Labor Day and that group and business transient obviously is going to not be traveling during election week. But our forecast incorporates the experiences that we've seen before in presidential elections.
spk02: Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Bellisario with Bayard.
spk03: Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Question on your owned assets. When might we see some of those hotels get sold, especially internationally? I think the comment about an improved outlook would suggest maybe the market or at least the transaction backdrop is better there. And if not, could you expand on that? And then secondarily, any CapEx plans next year for the Sheraton Chicago, or should we expect a big year-over-year step down in owned CapEx? Thank you.
spk15: Right. So, I'm going to do the second one first, which is that the Sheridan Grand Chicago, it actually has had a rooms redo over the past three years. And so, with the exception of, of course, what you normally need to do, I would not expect to see big capex spend beyond the norm as you move into 2025 on that hotel. We will be working on a comprehensive view of that hotel for public space, for F&B, for the rooms, etc. And ideally, we'd be working with a partner so that you can really, in essence, do it together so that it wouldn't be on Marriott's balance sheet, but that we would sell the hotel and then work towards what the hotel should look like with a partner. As you talk about the other owned lease assets, as is often the case with the ones that are still on our balance sheet, each one has a bit of a story. And so for the ones that are in Caribbean Latin America, for example, the Elegant Portfolio, which we are midway through a very comprehensive capital improvement program, we're thrilled with what is coming out of that and look forward to recycling that capital when it's done with a view of how we think about the AI, the all-inclusive product for those hotels. So continue to march along. The W Union Square, we're very close to being finished with that renovation. Again, absolutely thrilled with the product. I encourage all of you to go by and for sure make sure you stop by the living room which has a spectacular bar. The rooms are incredible, and we're very excited about how that represents the W brand in North America. And so, yes, from that standpoint, before too long, we'll be beginning to work on the process of determining when and at what price is the right time for the sale of that asset. All of the rest are in that same ballpark Clearly, as there starts to appear to be a bit more of a stable view about where interest rates are going, I think we do expect that that will help free up the transaction market a bit. I think it's a little too soon to predict the timing of it, but we are, of course, hopeful that as we get into the back half of the year, you start to see a bit more clarity around exactly what the next couple of years are looking like. Clearly, there's a view that interest rates are likely to stay a bit higher, a bit longer. And from that perspective, stability of outlook is always very helpful when you're looking at asset sales, as well as the markets that those assets are in.
spk11: Thank you. Our last question will come from Duane Finningworth with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.
spk09: Hey, good morning. Saving the best for last. I like it. Just wanted to follow up on the SMB commentary at the lower end chain scales. I know it's a much smaller percentage of your mix, but can we think about maybe the drivers or any industries that may stick out if we want to call it drive-to business travel or maybe less goods transportation, maybe less disaster relief in some markets. I know it's harder to analyze these trends because in many cases they book direct, but I wonder if you had any industry commentary on the lower-end SMB trends.
spk05: Yeah, I think it's a little hard to look at maybe individual industries. Probably the one demand source we're keeping a close eye on is government-related business trends. which in that tier is quite relevant.
spk11: Thank you. That concludes our question and answer session. I will now turn the call back to Tony Capuano for closing remarks.
spk05: Great. Well, thank you again for your participation and interest. We all hope to see you on the road soon. Safe travels.
spk11: This does conclude the Marriott International Q1 2024 Earnings Conference call. You may now disconnect your line and have a wonderful day.
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