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spk07: Good afternoon, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the MiMedx fourth quarter and full year 2022 operating and financial results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Matt Notarianni, head of investor relations for MiMedx. Thank you. You may begin.
spk05: Thank you, Shamali, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to the MiMedx fourth quarter and full year 2022 Operating and Financial Results Conference Call. With me on today's call are Chief Executive Officer Joe Capper and Chief Financial Officer Pete Carlson. As part of today's webcast, we are simultaneously displaying slides that you can follow. You can access the slides from the Investor Relations website at MiMedx.com. Joe will kick us off with some opening remarks, and Pete will provide a summary of our operating highlights and financial results for the quarter. And then Joe will conclude with some additional updates, including a discussion of our financial goals. We will then be available for your questions. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that our comments today will include forward-looking statements, including statements regarding future sales growth, future margins, expected market sizes for our products, potential timelines for clinical trials and FDA submissions and reviews. These expectations are subject to risks and uncertainties, and actual results may differ materially from those anticipated due to many factors. Actual results, market sizes, timing, and FDA review will depend on a number of factors including competition, access to customers, the reimbursement environment, unforeseen circumstances and delays, the results of our clinical trials, our interpretation of those results, and other factors. Additional factors that could impact outcomes and our results include those described in the risk factors section of our annual report on Form 10-K and our quarterly reports on Form 10-Q. Also, our comments today include non-GAAP financial measures, and we provide a reconciliation to GAAP measures in our press release, which is available on our website at www.mymedics.com. With that, I'm now pleased to turn the call over to Joe Kaplan. Joe?
spk04: Thanks, Matt, and good afternoon, everyone. As you know, I joined MiMedx on January 30th. I spent the first month doing exactly what you would expect, meeting members of the team, learning more about our technology, product offering, and associated opportunities, speaking with some of you in the investor community, and immediately taking a deep dive into the various parts of our business. While it's only been a month, I'm pleased to report that the company has far surpassed the expectations I had walking in the front door. I knew MiMedx was a company with great potential, or I would not have taken the job. What I've been learning in these early days is that the upside is significantly greater than I initially appreciated. Today, I will outline an approach I believe will unlock the vast potential I see at MiMedx. In prior leadership roles, my approach in maximizing the company's potential has always been to streamline operations and have businesses or products that strategically benefit the growth profile. I see no reason why we can't do this with MiMedx. The company is both financially and operationally strong and is poised to benefit from disciplined execution around a tight strategic plan. As we begin this journey, I want to state unequivocally that as a MedTech tissue-based company, we have the foundation in place today to accomplish great things and create tremendous value. I know there is also considerable excitement about our clinical efforts in knee osteoarthritis. However, my near-term focus is to build a world-class wound care business that generates substantial EVDOT well before the knee OA program is commercially available in the US. To that end, we finished 2022 with a solid Q4. generating over 10% year-over-year net sales growth and an improving adjusted EBITDA. In fact, our fourth quarter net sales were our highest since the end of 2019. This strong finish to 22 has given us excellent momentum entering the new year. I believe with what we already have in place, the business can deliver consistent top-line revenue growth for the foreseeable future. Not surprisingly, I've been asked several times what it was about MiMedx that attracted me to the opportunity. So I thought I would start by addressing that question. Then we will dive into specifics about the business and our direction moving forward. While there are many positive aspects about this company, I will highlight the three that are most compelling for me. The first was the company's best-in-class technology. MiMedx is a pioneer in the field of potential biologics. With an unmatched product portfolio, It makes a positive difference in the lives of an increasing number of people. Second was the quality of people I met prior to joining the company. And as I've gotten to know many of my new colleagues over the past few weeks, it is abundantly clear that we have a team of very knowledgeable and experienced people at every level of this organization. They understand the business and are as eager as I am to succeed. I am proud to be... And finally, it was important to me that the business was stable with significant opportunities for growth. MyMedx has a large and growing revenue base with opportunities to streamline operations and improve profitability. Some of that work, in fact, is already underway. Moreover, I believe this company has the ability to make opportunistic acquisitions or licensing deals that will enhance our growth profiles. Let me shift gears and talk about the future and how we are focusing the efforts of the organization. Our success will be determined by how well we execute on three basic growth objectives. All company activity will stem from one of these three areas, with resources being allocated accordingly. Our first growth objective is to build on our leadership position in the wound and surgical markets by enhancing our product portfolio while concurrently expanding geographically. We operate a highly profitable business approaching $300 million in revenue, which we're confident we can grow annually at double digits with the proper focus. As such, the majority of our resources and focus will be invested in our wound and surgical business. We must execute well in this core business in order for MiMedx to be successful. On our last call, the company reported on progress we've been making in these areas. Specifically, in September, we introduced two new products to the U.S. market, As Pete will highlight, our fourth quarter results make evident that we are off to a fast start with these new products. During these early months of the launch, we have seen widespread market acceptance, and we are exceeding our initial expectations. Additions like these to our already market-leading product portfolio will serve to strengthen our brand and customer relationships and expand the use cases for our products into more areas where chronic and acute wounds are treated. We've also reported on the work being done in Japan in an effort to establish a presence in select markets outside of the U.S. While the requirements to get up and running in Japan have been a bit arduous, we've been making steady progress. We now have clearance and reimbursement for our product, and several hundred physicians have recently been trained on its use. I am also pleased to say that we have started generating initial sales with our partner, Gunze Medical. Our second growth objective is to develop opportunities in adjacent markets in addition to our development of a knee OA product. By way of update, after active engagement with the FDA over the last several months, we are pleased to announce that our registrational knee OA study is now underway. This is the result of a tremendous amount of work on the part of our regenerative medicine team and our partner, CRO Nordic. Thank you to all those in the organization who got us to this exciting milestone. As a reminder, this is the first of two studies that will be needed in order for us to file our BLA. In this trial, we expect enrollment of approximately 470 patients with three arms, a six-month observation period, and six additional months of monitoring. We are pleased to be underway and look forward to reporting on our progress as appropriate. While the NEOA project is our largest investment for the possible entry into a new market, It is also our intent to look for additional opportunities in areas that are complementary to our wound and surgical portfolio, both organically and inorganically. Last year's licensing of the Tern Therapeutics IP estate being a prime example. And finally, our third objective will be to build a corporate discipline around expense control, rationalization, and continuous process improvement in order to ensure our growth becomes more profitable over time. On our last call, my predecessor, Todd, detailed his objectives to drive operating leverage. Specifically, the company has goals to improve the wound and surgical segment contribution margin to at least 30 percent of segment net sales and to get corporate expenses as a percentage of sales to below 20 percent. An important step in this process was to augment the team with the experience and leadership Ricky Whitlow brings as our new Chief Operating Officer. Ricky has an extensive background in the human tissue space, and in her relatively short time here, is already establishing disciplines within our operations team that will improve production yields and help transform the way we bring products to market. I've had success creating value at prior companies by establishing a process of consistently identifying growth drivers for the business, then executing on those that are the most strategically relevant. That is exactly what we will do at MiMedx. If we stay focused and execute well in these three areas of business, I believe we will continue to build on this franchise, have the opportunity to create tremendous value, and once again establish MiMedx as not only the leader in our space, but one of the most highly regarded healthcare companies in the market. I look forward to reporting on our progress in each of these areas. Hopefully this gives you a sense of what drew me to MiMedx, and hopefully you too share my excitement for the future. Now let me turn the call over to Pete who will recap our fourth quarter and full year results. Pete?
spk06: Thank you, Joe, and good afternoon, everyone. As a reminder, unless otherwise specified, all results referenced in my prepared remarks are on a fourth quarter 2022 versus fourth quarter 2021 comparison basis. We ended 2022 with strong commercial and operational momentum and reported our highest level of quarterly net sales since the fourth quarter of 2019. On an adjusted net sales basis, our fourth quarter results represent the highest level we have seen since 2018. We are proud of these results. and expect our momentum to continue going into 2023. For the fourth quarter, we reported $74.4 million in net sales compared to $67.4 million. As you know, virtually all our net sales come from our wound and surgical segment, which delivered $73.6 million, reflecting growth of 10.6%. This strong performance is a testament to the dedication of our commercial team and our leading product offering, including our recently launched products. Further, this result is despite the continued unfavorable competitive environment in the private physician office setting. The quarter reflects strength across our wound and surgical end markets, and the team remains focused on bringing more new products to the market in support of future top-line growth both organically and otherwise. Gross profit was $60 million compared to $56.7 million. Gross margin in 4Q was 80.7% compared to 84%. This margin level reflects production variances primarily from lower production levels and is below our expectations going forward. We have several initiatives underway focused on improving our gross margins in wound and surgical. Selling general and administrative expenses, or SG&A, were $50 million, compared to $53.1 million. The current quarter included increased commissions on higher sales and the impact of severance associated with restructuring activities. These were more than offset by lower compensation, principally due to year-end settlement adjustments and also reflect the impact of cost reductions taken during the quarter. As we previously noted, headcount reductions late last year are expected to reduce SG&A costs by more than $5 million on an annual basis. Our research and development expenses were $5.4 million compared to $4.6 million. We saw increased R&D expense in both of our segments The higher spend came primarily in regenerative medicine related to preparation activities for our knee osteoarthritis clinical trial, which is now underway. Investigation, restatement, and related results were at expense of $3.4 million compared to a benefit of $4.5 million. The prior year quarter includes the recoveries from our director's and officer's insurance program. Net loss was $400,000 compared to net income of $2.2 million. Adjusted EBITDA was $7.3 million, or 9.8% of net sales, compared to $3.6 million, or 5.4% of net sales. I want to now briefly discuss results for the full year and will remind you that 2021 included sales of products impacted by the end, of the FDA's period of enforcement discretion on May 31st, 2021, impacting not only net sales but also our profitability metrics. Net sales for the full year 2022 were $267.8 million, compared to $258.6 million in 2021, an increase of 3.6 percent. Excluding products impacted by the end of enforcement discretion, 2022 net sales growth was 10.5% compared to the $240 million in 2021. You can also see this growth in our wound and surgical segment, which had net sales growth of 10.9% for the full year 2022. Gross margin was 82% for the full year 2022 compared to 83.3% in 2021, again reflecting the impact of production variances. We had R&D expenses of $22.8 million in the full year 2022 compared to $17.3 million in 2021 as we increased our efforts on new product development and on R&D osteoarthritis programs. SG&A for the year 2022 was $208.8 million compared to $198.4 million in 2021. Net loss for the year ended December 31st, 2022 was $30.2 million compared to a loss of $10.3 million in 2021. Investigation, restatement and related expenses totaled $12.2 million in 2022 compared to $3.8 million in 2021, which included recoveries from our D&O program. Finally, adjusted EBITDA in full year 2022 was $3.9 million, compared to $18.7 million in 2021. On a segment basis in 2022, Wounded Surgical had a segment contribution of $66.7 million or 25.2% of segment net sales, and regenerative medicine had a segment loss of $15 million. Additionally, SG&A expenses in corporate and other were $62.9 million, or 23.5% of net sales. As of December 31st, 2022, the company had $66 million of cash and cash equivalents compared to $73.2 million as of September 30, 2022, and to $87.1 million as of December 31, 2021. The sequential decline in our cash and cash equivalents was driven primarily by changes in working capital, including the annual payment of certain insurance premiums, along with the cash consideration associated with the termed therapeutics agreement we announced in December. Based upon our current position and expectations for the business, I want to re-emphasize that we remain well capitalized and do not perceive the need for external financing. Looking ahead, our goal is to deliver low double-digit percentage growth in net sales. While we have seen solid demand for our products in the hospital outpatient hospital inpatient and wound care clinic settings, the challenges associated with the reimbursement environment and the private physician office site of service have weighed on our business and we expect this to continue during 2023. Joe will touch on the latest developments as we see them in this segment of the market. From a profitability perspective, as you heard us say on our third quarter call in November, And as Joe indicated earlier, we are focused on our goals of improving our wound and surgical segment contribution margin to at least 30% of segment net sales and reducing our corporate overhead so that the corporate and other SG&A expense as a percentage of sales is below 20%. In summary, our fourth quarter financial results were strong led by commercial execution driving our top-line results, and we are making progress to position the company for sustainable profitability. I will now turn the call back to Joe. Joe?
spk04: Thanks, Pete. As you have just heard, we finished the year with a strong fourth quarter, during which we recorded quarterly revenue growth of over 10%, continued to roll out our two new products in the U.S. set the company on a course to drive greater efficiency and expense rationalization. Already in 2023, we have got our business up and running in Japan, added experienced leadership over operations, and initiated our registrational need OA study. Before I open the call for questions, I wanted to comment on one additional item, reimbursement in the private physician office setting. As Pete mentioned, our business continues to face headwinds in this segment given the current reimbursement environment, which has created a very lopsided competitive landscape. Specifically, it appears some participants are using what I would describe as a loophole in the current system to provide sizable financial incentives to physicians who use their products at the expense of the Medicare Trust Fund. Using financial incentives for physicians to differentiate a sale is expressly prohibited by Medicare regs. It goes without saying, we do not engage in such practices. And as you can see on slide 16, all of our products are on the ASP list. Products that have historically not been on the ASP list are the ones being used to create financial incentives to physicians. Those of us who have been around healthcare for long enough know that eventually CMS closes these loopholes. To that end, we have been actively engaged with the agency, highlighting this untoward behavior and offering our perspective and recommendations throughout this process. In mid-January, we participated in a CMS-hosted town hall meeting on the topic and provided subsequent written comments. We will keep you updated as we learn more. So in summary, it is abundantly clear to me that MiMedx is an outstanding business with an incredible line of products, that make a positive difference in the lives of thousands of people every day. We have a highly skilled team that is extremely passionate about delivering these life-changing solutions. We have a revenue base that is growing at a healthy clip, approaching 300 million with margin improvement efforts underway. And we have a product pipeline rich with opportunity. Given the solid foundation I have to work with, I am truly excited to be at MiMedx. and enthusiastically embrace this opportunity. I look forward to working with the entire MiMedx team. I can tell they genuinely share my belief and excitement about our path forward. I'd also like to thank Todd Newton, who did all you could ask during his time as interim CEO. As a result of Todd's efforts, I've joined a company with positive momentum and a bright future ahead. With that, I would like to open the call to questions. Operator, we are now ready for our first question.
spk07: Thank you. Again, at this time, we'll be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tool will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the start key. And one moment, please, while we pull for questions. And our first question comes from the line of Anthony Patron with Mizuho Group. Please proceed with your question.
spk00: Thanks, and good afternoon. And again, Joe, congratulations on your appointment and congratulations on the team on, you know, a new start here to the year. Maybe, Joe, just to kick off, you mentioned some high-level comments several weeks into the CEO role. You know, maybe just as you think of the broader strategy, staying focused on wound care for one, and then building out the surgical applications portfolio for two. You know, how the priorities may or may not shift on those two end market channels specifically. And then maybe your renewed, your fresh look on development. Obviously, we have the NEOA initiative. But how do you sort of view deeper pipeline initiatives for my medics? And then I'll have a couple of follow-ups. Thanks.
spk04: Yeah, so, Anthony, thanks for the question. I think let me back up a little bit. My approach initially with the company is to more formalize the strategic planning process and cycle, put more structure around it. And as we do that, ideas will flourish from that or stem from that. And then we'll start to build out a corp dev kind of pipeline both internally and externally. I think you can now on the head with a wound care and surgical business that offers the kind of financial profile that this business does and the growth potential, that launched a lot of focus. And that's what pays the bills. And I think there's tremendous opportunity there. My initial thoughts is that's where I will have most of my focus, and then we'll look to see if we can eventually migrate from a wound care company to a wound management company and start to offer some other capabilities in and around our product portfolio, both product line extensions, new products, and potential adjacencies. As far as a fresh look at development, I really don't have anything new to offer today, to be candid. I think we're closing out my first month here, and it's been quite a learning curve. I can tell you that everyone I talk to, both inside this company and outside this company, are incredibly passionate about the entire portfolio. These products are just amazing. When you hear things like, change my life, thought I was never getting better, this product is delivered from God. These are the kind of things that I'm hearing in the first month. It tells you that we're really on to something with this company. And I know the company's history hasn't been great, but I think that the team has done a wonderful job, both at the executive leadership level and the board level, shepherding us through that. And now the company is in this great position, has this growing revenue base, amazing margin profile, with a lot of room for improvement. So it's hard not to get ridiculously excited about the current product portfolio.
spk00: No, that's very helpful. And maybe two quick ones, I'll throw them out there. One will be on the 10% outlook for 2023. Maybe how should we be thinking about EpiFix in Japan within that context specifically? So maybe just an update on contribution, EpiFix in Japan. And then the last one will be on reimbursement and wound care in the physician office setting. Obviously, there's some literature out there on LCD proposals. The company has their recommendations. You know, anything you can add on any new literature from LCD Max post-January. And with that, I'll get back in the queue. Thanks.
spk04: Yeah, I think, and Pete, you can elaborate on this. I think after fixing Japan, We're expecting some contribution, but it's not material this year. We're really looking at this year as kind of a developmental year to get that business up and running. As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, things have moved a bit slow, but we're making progress. We've had our first couple sales into our local partner, and there's been sales from the local partner to end users. We've got a lot of physicians trained on use of the product, and we're putting additional resources in country to support our partner. So we're taking all the right steps. We're pretty excited about it, but it's hard to kind of say where that's going to go at 23, and frankly, we won't know what the outlook for 24 will be until the last part of this year.
spk06: Joe, that's correct. I think you've covered everything there. We're just excited about the reception we continue to see from practitioners on the market and are pleased that the product is getting into the market and applied on patients as we speak.
spk04: And then your other question, Anthony, was about reimbursement. Nothing new since that January meeting. Best guess is we probably won't hear anything until proposed regs are published in the middle of the year, probably around the July timeframe. And then I think there's usually a comment period associated with it, and then there's final regs at the end of the year. I just think, and I might have mentioned this to you when we first talked, this company's on the right side of this, right? When you are using financial incentives to convince a physician to use your product. It's just not what the regs are intended to guide towards. So I think I'm very comfortable with this company's behavior, and I think as this sorts itself out, we're on the right side of it.
spk06: Anthony, the one other thing to remember is we're talking about revenue that is about 28% of our business. So in addition to being on the right side,
spk00: That's helpful. I'll hop back in.
spk07: Our next question comes from the line of Carl Burns with Northland Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.
spk03: Thanks for the question and congratulations on the results of the progress. With respect to the gross profit margin, which I believe averaged 80.7% in the fourth quarter, was cited as being negatively affected by lower production levels. Can you be a little bit more specific on what was affecting the production levels and when you might expect them to return normalized levels? Thanks.
spk06: Carl, it's Pete. Good afternoon. We are looking for that to turn here in 2023, including in the first quarter. How far it turns immediately versus later in the year is yet to be seen. Part of this has been, frankly, employee-based as well as efficiency-based. We've had some turnover, and we have not recently had the efficiency out of our production process that we historically have seen or desire. As Joe mentioned, we have new leadership in the team, and that's helped us bring a refreshed focus on these initiatives. The team has worked hard.
spk03: in the fourth quarter and even after the end of the year in identifying opportunities for improving those margin and production activities and we're excited about that great thanks that's very helpful and then just to follow up um unrelated but on the physician segment um are are you seeing patients being displaced or warehouse in the in the physician segment and so Are they potentially going to other segments for treatment? Is that a factor here amid the reimbursement uncertainties?
spk04: Thanks. I don't think so. I don't think the way you've poised the question, I don't think so. What's hard to know is how much of this is potential over-utilization because of financial incentives and how much of it is just share that we're not capturing because we're not participating in that game, if you will. So, again, as this thing kind of fixes itself over time, we'll have a better feel for, and I think we'll start to gain more share.
spk03: That was great. I'll hop back in the queue. Thank you.
spk07: Our next question comes from the line of Swayam Pakula Ramakoff with HC Wainwright.
spk02: Thank you. This is RK from HC Wainwright. A couple of quick questions from me on the wound and surgical business, trying to build a portfolio of new products. Just two questions on within that. you know, how did the business, I mean, how did the new products do for the year, and what sort of products should we be thinking of in the coming year, in 2023? Okay, it's Pete.
spk06: What I would be very happy to tell you is the new products did quite well in 2022 and really met our expectations for the year. The team did some great work, even with some of the delay from what we might have thought the initial launch date was, so we have a lot of good momentum on these products coming into 2023. As it relates to products for this year, I would certainly highlight the opportunity that the TURN transaction reflects for us. And a reminder, there's two pieces to that. frankly, intellectual property estate that we have access to now. We have a license and the antimicrobial aspect, as well as a product that they have in development and in front of the FDA that we would have a commercial license opportunity once that approval is in place. Joe, anything you'd add on those new products?
spk04: Yeah, I would just say, R.K., from my perspective, a new guy coming in, I'm trying to assess various parts of the business. When you have... A commercial team that can take two new products and move them into the market as rapidly as this team did, you're in a pretty good spot. A lot of times, commercial teams that don't operate as effectively stumble with new products. So what does that tell me? And I'm going to temper my own enthusiasm for you. It tells me that there's a lot more I can do with this commercial organization. There's a lot more this sales and marketing team can do.
spk02: Talking about ability to do a lot more, you also highlighted expansion geographically. So when you say that, are you talking more within domestic geographies or you're also talking about international geographies?
spk04: Well, really both, right? And if we have under-penetrated regions of the U.S., we'll look to add resources as appropriate if the business warrants. But really, what we're talking about there is the initial focus in Japan. And again, as we add more structure around our strategic planning process, potentially other countries will emerge as targets of opportunity.
spk02: Thank you. Thanks for taking all my questions.
spk07: Our next question comes from the line of John with Jax.
spk01: Good evening, Matt, Pete, and welcome aboard, Joe. Let me start out with a question on Japan and kind of continue the theme on here. As you said, that's one of your areas that you expect to grow in. Knowing now that you've got a foothold in the country, what other products might be appropriate for that market, and is that something that you'll think you might do now that you have the infrastructure in place?
spk04: Yeah, really too early for me to answer that question, John. It's a good one. And again, I think as we go through evaluation of various opportunities, we'll look at that. But I can't give you any more color on that today.
spk01: Okay. And then I had a question for you, Pete, on R&D. You know, now that we kicked off the trial, the KOA trial, how should we think about the incremental costs in 2023 over 2022 on the R&D line?
spk06: When you look at R&D overall, there certainly will be an increase between the two years. The increase will be concentrated in the regenerative medicine segment. We've talked about those trials, individually those trials being somewhere in the $20 million, maybe $25 million cost level, and that cost is going to be incurred over a multi-year period. For this first trial, it'll be principally 2023 and 2024 with some of that front-loaded.
spk01: Okay, got it, yeah, that makes sense. And then on the two trials that you're gonna run for KOA, are they gonna go, is there gonna be any overlap there? Are you gonna wait until you analyze the first one and then perhaps talk with the FDA before starting the second? How do you think that will run in between the two of them?
spk06: The second trial would be a trial we would look to be our pivotal trial. And the important thing there is that we need to have our final commercially ready product ready to go. And so that's really the gating factor for that second trial, and that will involve interaction with the FDA as well as our own work. If we reach a point where that's ready and this first trial is still going on, we'll make an assessment. And yes, it's possible they could overlap. But again, the gating factor is more about the interaction with the FDA and our preparation for that regarding the chemistry, manufacturing, and controls process for the product itself.
spk01: Okay, now that's some good detail there. And last question for me is on the growth that you expect. You know, there's a few different components of growth, you know, organic product growth, international sales, and new products. How do you break that down among those three components?
spk06: Certainly the predominant driver is our existing book of business. launched in 2022. That's going to be a predominant driver. New products are a driver, as well as the growth in Japan and other countries. They're all pieces of it. We're pleased with the way the team has performed domestically. Again, 10 plus percent growth year over year, driven by the new products, driven by our work in the surgical recovery application, and just driven by the team's efforts working in some tough environments in that private office setting. So we're pleased with that and look for that to continue.
spk01: Great. Thank you for taking my questions.
spk07: Our next question comes from Anthony Patron with Mizuho Group. Please proceed with your question.
spk00: Thanks. Appreciate that. Just a follow-up on some of the proposals MiMedx has out there as it relates to physician office reimbursement. just kind of thinking of a scenario here. In other words, if the, you know, if there's acceptance on other products having to secure a tissue reference group letter, you know, from FDA and that all, there should be uniformity that all of these skin substitute products should be on the Medicare ASP list, you know, if that sort of is accepted and plays out, What is the potential for some of these products to drop out of market A, and what would be the upside for EpiFix if the mimetics proposals are adopted? Thanks.
spk06: Anthony, it's Pete, and I think you're hitting on a good point there, and I'll speak a little bit personally, but this is a view we talk about internally, which is as All the companies that are in the space are required to meet regulatory burden that includes things like obtaining a tissue research or reference group letter of clarification that your product is 361 and going through the associated FDA inspections. We do think there are companies that When that starts happening, it's hard to tell. The TRG requirement is sitting in front of proposals with some LCGs. As you know, we have that for our sheet products, our core EpiFix line, and that's 90% of our portfolio in the private office setting, so we feel comfortable there. But I do think you've hit a good point where the regulatory burden, as it becomes more complex, ourselves.
spk04: So, Pete, we do grow in this segment, right? We grow in this segment today. We just don't grow as fast as we do in other segments. So when price is not the issue, when we're competing on clinical efficacy, we win. And to the extent that we level this playing field, we will win more often. So to Pete's point, it will equate to some upside for us. It's hard to quantify that because, again, you have to taking into account that some of this may affect the over-utilization.
spk03: Yes, I agree with that.
spk00: Thanks again.
spk07: And our next question comes from Carl Burns with Northland Capital Markets.
spk03: Yeah, thanks again for the follow-up question. Pete, you touched on this with respect to the TURN and licensing program. Can you just remind us when the Purdue Action Date is? on Flex AM, which is the bovine collagen powder product. And then also, you know, unrelated but quasi-related, any comments or thoughts in terms of potential, you know, tuck under acquisitions that could augment the wounded surgical segment as well. Thanks.
spk06: Carl, I'll start with your first question and let Joe talk about the second. You know, there's no date to reference relative to approval of receiving approval from the FDA on the 510 submission from TURN or by TURN for the flex product. It's the normal back and forth with the regulator asking questions. So we don't have any time frame to share.
spk04: Yeah, as far as adjacency, too soon to start talking publicly about. I think the most important message to you guys is it's a focus point. We've formalized the planning process and we've put a corp dev group together within the company. So really, it's laying the groundwork.
spk03: Great. Thanks so much.
spk07: And we have reached the end of the question and answer session. I'll now turn the call back over to the CEO, Joe Capper, for closing remarks.
spk04: Thanks, Operator. Thank you, everybody, for your questions and for your interest in the company. Look forward to talking to you in a few months. That concludes today's call. Thanks again.
spk07: And this concludes today's conference, and you may disconnect your line at this time. Thank you for your participation.
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