MGP Ingredients, Inc.

Good morning and welcome to the MGP Ingredients Second Quarter Earnings Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's remarks, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Ask a question, you may press star then one on your touchtone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Amit Sharma, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning and welcome to MGP Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. I'm Amit Sharma, Vice President of Investor Relations. And this morning, I'm joined on the call by Julie Francis, our new Chief Executive Officer and President, who will introduce herself and make some initial observations. Brendan Gall, our Chief Initial Officer, and Mark Davidson, our VP, Corporate Controller and Head of Treasury. They will provide an overview of our quarterly results and outlook. As customer review, we will begin the call with management's prepared remarks before opening the call to analyze questions. Before we begin, this call may involve certain forward-looking statements. The company's actual results could differ materially from any forward-looking statements due to a number of factors, including the risk factors described in the company's quarterly and annual reports filed with SCC. The company assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements made during the call, except as required by the law. Additionally, this call will contain references to certain non-GAP measures, which we believe are useful in evaluating the company's performance. A reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAP measures is included in today's earnings release, which was issued this morning before the market opened and is available on our website, .mgpingredients.com. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Brendan for opening remarks.

Thank you, Amit. Good morning, everyone. As we announced last week, after a thorough search, our board of directors appointed Julie Francis as our next president and CEO. I strongly believe that Julie is the right person to lead us forward during this important time for the company. She brings a strong strategic lens, deep commercial expertise, and a proven ability to build and lead teams. Her fresh perspectives and track record of success at global industry-leading CPG companies, particularly in the beverage segment, will be critical as we advance our long-term vision of becoming a premier branded spirits company. Julie has taken the reins during a challenging time for our industry, and she's wasting no time diving into all aspects of our business. There is no doubt she's the right person for the job, and I look forward to partnering with her during this next chapter. Julie, welcome aboard.

Thanks, Brandon. And hello, everyone. I'm thrilled to be joining the NGP team. Let me first thank Brandon and the executive team and our entire NGP family for their hard work, collaboration, and dedication in delivering solid second quarter results. I've had the opportunity to attend our leadership and business meetings and to also meet individually with our broader teams last week. And what I've learned has only reinforced what drew me to this opportunity. First and foremost, NGP's culture. There's something unique about working in the type of culture where everyone is deeply passionate and takes great pride in our business and their teams and our people. NGP has an integrated partnership approach to customers and suppliers, as well as a deep commitment to the communities we serve. There's a certain responsibility we have when we're part of these teams. And I'm and I really like and thrive in that type of culture. Second, a growth mindset. NGP's unique capabilities, impeccable reputation and product offerings give us the right to win in each of the industries in which we compete. More importantly, I believe that all three businesses have a significant growth runway, which can be unlocked as we operate with clarity, operational and executional excellence, with integrity, tough mindlessness and agility across all of our platforms and functions. I'm energized by the opportunity ahead, confident in our ability to build on our progress and look forward to working with all of you in the investor community. With that, I will turn the call back to Brandon for the business update.

Thanks, Julie. Our second quarter 2025 performance demonstrated the strength of the foundation Julie mentioned, as all three of our segments showed sequential improvements relative to the first quarter of 2025. Overall, second quarter results came in largely as expected, driven by the continued strength in our premium plus branded spirits portfolio and improved year over year performance ingredient solutions. Distilling solutions also progressed in line with our expectations with improving stability and visibility. At a high level, we believe all three business segments are on solid trajectory. We're seeing progress against the priorities we laid out earlier in the year. And I'm excited to build on that momentum as we move into the second half of the year, specifically for the second quarter of 2025. As expected, consolidating sales and adjusted EBITDA decreased 24 percent and 38 percent respectively from the prior year period, primarily due to the anticipated decline in distilling solutions performance. Branded spirits segment sales declined by five percent, but our premium plus portfolio posted positive growth. Adjusted earnings per common share declined to 97 cents per share, while year to date operating cash flows increased to $56.4 million, first $29.6 million in the same period last year. With another quarter of solid execution, we remain on track to achieve our full year 2025 sales and adjusted earnings guidance. Mark will provide greater detail on our quarterly results shortly. Let me take the next few minutes to highlight the current operating environment and the progress we're making against each of our key initiatives. The external environment remains challenging and fluid. Overall economic uncertainty, persistent inflation and higher interest rates continue to weigh on consumer sentiment, which fell to a multi-year low during the quarter. While sentiment improved a bit last month, consumer confidence in this backdrop continues to press for discretionary spending, leading to more cautious purchasing behaviors. Despite the setting, we continue to execute with discipline and make progress on our key initiatives. Starting with the branded spirit segment, our key initiative for the branded spirit segment is focus. We believe our decision to focus on fewer but more attractive growth opportunities is working as our premium plus portfolio again outperform the broader category with one percent growth for the second quarter compared to the year ago period. Our key brands Penelope, El Mayor and Rebel 100 are particularly well positioned to benefit from our focus initiative as we continue to prioritize investments behind these brands. For the full year, we expect a healthy double digit percentage increase in the A&P spending for these brands collectively, even as our overall A&P spend will be down, as we've mentioned on the last calls. While our focus brands delivered positive dollar sales growth in the latest 13 week period, ending on July 12th, as reported by Nielsen, let me briefly talk about the terrific growth trajectory of Penelope, the key driver of our continued premium plus performance. Penelope is our flagship premium plus offering in the American Whiskey category with a brand identity that's built on innovation, craftsmanship, authenticity, inaccessible price points, attributes that resonate strongly with today's bourbon drinkers. Penelope Weedit is expanding the brand's strong foundation by capitalizing on consumer demand for more approachable bourbon with softer, smoother taste profile. Penelope Weedit continues to build on its strong start with continued expansion into new markets. Penelope is also expanding its ready to pour offerings to tap into the faster growing cocktail segment. Penelope Peach Old Fashioned is already among the top 15 750 ML premium plus RTP offerings in Nielsen, and we plan to further expand Penelope's RTP offerings with the introduction of Penelope Black Walnut Old Fashioned in the third quarter. This continued momentum has made Penelope one of the fastest growing premium plus American whiskey brands. Based on the retail dollar sales growth reported by Nielsen for the past 4, 13 and 52 week periods ending on July 12th, Penelope has been the second fastest growing of the top 30 premium plus American whiskey brands. With a full pipeline of planned innovation, we expect this broad based momentum to continue through the rest of the year. Given year to day trends, we now expect our premium plus segment to grow by low single digits for the full year compared to 2024, an improvement from our initial projections. At the same time, as expected, sales of our mid and value tier brands remain softer in the second quarter due to heightened price competition and select pockets. As I mentioned last quarter, we are taking appropriate actions, including greater price support to make these offerings more appealing. Although the rate of decline for sales in these price tiers improves sequentially in the second quarter, we believe the impact of these actions on shipments is still taking effect. While we remain encouraged, we now expect the mid and value price tier to be down low double digits for 2025 compared to 2024 versus our initial expectations of mid to high single digit declines. Earlier this week, we announced our decision to partner with Breakthrough Beverage Group for distribution of our products in California. Breakthrough is one of the leading beverage distributors in the country. In their proven track record and deep expertise in the premium plus categories made them the ideal choice to drive growth for us in this market. Our NDC continues to be our distributor in many states and they remain a valuable partner. We're currently working with both companies in an effort to minimize any potential disruptions during the transition and do not expect this transition to have a material financial impact on our 2025 results. For the distilling solution segment, our key initiative to strengthen partnership with key customers continues to show positive results. While Brown Goods volume and pricing were down during the quarter compared to the second quarter 2024, they were consistent with our expectations and more importantly, continued to show signs of stabilization. The Brown Goods industry is navigating a challenging environment, one that we expect to persist in 2026. We're responding by listening carefully to our customers' needs, offering them tailored solutions and demonstrating flexibility with respect to quantities, pricing and timing. As expected, a number of our large strategic customers, after completing their existing contracts, have expressed the need to temporarily pause their whiskey purchases, which continues to be reflected in our full year guidance. In most cases, these brands are well established with a taste profile that we are uniquely positioned to support. But importantly, these customers remain engaged with our team, pertaining to their future needs for Brown Goods, as well as other products we're able to offer, including premium gin and neutral grain spirits. As a result, we continue to expect distilling solutions first half sales and profits to be stronger than the second half. We are complementing our refreshed commercial outreach by taking a disciplined approach to our Brown Goods production levels and optimizing our cost structure by collaborating with our suppliers and adjusting our distillery down times. As I mentioned last quarter, we're also significantly reducing our whiskey put away to manage our aging whiskey inventory levels and our cash flows. More broadly, overall, American whiskey production appears to be responding to the year over year decline in total industry whiskey production, which began late last year has picked up pace. The latest available TTV data through April 2025 shows even deeper production cuts, with total whiskey production in the US now down 14% for the last 12 months, down 24% the last six months, and down 28% in the last three months. While challenges remain, including excess whiskey and soft demand, the actions being taken across the industry are constructive, and we believe that increasing industry discipline and rational behavior combined with our decisive actions position us to emerge with a stronger competitive position. I'd like to take a moment to acknowledge the entire Distilling Solutions team for their bold actions to make difficult but necessary adjustments over the course of the year. Since our Q4 2024 earnings call, not only have no customers canceled their contracts, but substantially all have either confirmed or amended their purchases in a way that prioritizes the needs of their brands and business. As a result of the commitment we have shown our customers, we're encouraged by the commitment they have shown us in return, and now have higher confidence in the remainder of 2025 and increasingly 2026. Turning to our ingredient solution segment, the sequential performance improvements in the second quarter give me confidence that our key initiative to achieve operational and commercial executional excellence in our ingredient solution segment is on track. Although still present in the second quarter, supply challenges that impacted segment results in the first quarter moderated as our team focused on increasing manufacturing reliability, simplifying processes, and aligning resources. We're increasing our capital investments in the growth capabilities and improving operational consistency. Our commercial execution also improved during the quarter. Strong consumer demand for higher protein and fiber in their diets is a powerful driver for our specialty starch and protein offerings. Our fibers and branded specialty starch continues to gain traction across a growing number of food categories, while our sales team continue to gain North American based customers for our RISE branded specialty protein offerings. As expected, our new biofuel plan came online in July. The new plan is a key component of our efforts to mitigate costs associated with the disposal of the waste starch stream, which is a byproduct of our ingredient facility. While we continue to expect the new plan to mitigate these costs in the long term, realizing the full extent of these cost savings will take time as we ramp up production and fully commercialize our end product. Overall, despite the soft start to the year, we believe the ingredient solution segment remains well positioned to post higher sales and profitability in the second half of the full year 2025 compared to the first half. Across the organization, our productivity initiatives remain on track and are expected to make substantial contribution to our full year outlook. Our balance sheet remains a key strength, particularly given the higher liquidity and flexibility following the upsizing of our credit facility and the extension of our private placement shelf in the first half of the year. Our net debt leverage remains under two times and we continue to generate cash to support our capital allocation priorities. Given the solid results in the quarter, we are reaffirming our 2025 guidance and we continue to expect net sales in the $520 to $540 million range, adjusted EBITDA in the $105 to $115 million range and adjusted basic earnings per share in the $2.45 to $2.75 range. We now expect average shares outstanding of approximately $21.4 million for the full year and capital expenditures of approximately $32.5 million. Our full year effective tax rate remains unchanged at approximately 25%. Within our branded spirit segment, we now expect premium plus sales to be up low single digits for the year. However, we expect sales of our mid and value price portfolio and other to be below our initial expectations, leading to a modest decline in branded spirit segment sales for the full year 2025 as compared to 2024. We continue to expect brand spirit segment gross margins to be in the upper 40% range. Turning to tariffs. Similar to our industry peers, we're not completely immune to tariff impacts and continue to closely monitor the tariff environment, particularly related to exemptions for goods compliant with the .S.-Mexico-Canada agreement and the potential impact of tariffs on consumer purchasing behavior. Given the evolving situation regarding the implementation and timing of tariffs, their potential financial impacts are not included in our current outlook and we continue to look across our supply chain for additional opportunities to mitigate any potential headwinds. Let me now hand it over to Mark for review of the second quarter results.

Thank you, Brandon. For the second quarter of 2025, consolidated sales decreased 24% to $145.5 million compared to the year ago period. Within our segments, branded spirit sales decreased by 5% due to the expected double digit decline in our mid and value price brands driven by lower volumes of certain tequila, liqueur, and cordial brands. Our premium plus sales increased by 1%, reflecting continued momentum in our focused brands, in particular Penelope. Distilling solution sales declined by 46%, primarily driven by 54% decline in brown goods sales. Second quarter warehouse service sales decreased by 5%, while white goods sales declined by 27% due to the phasing out of a number of white goods customer contracts in the wake of the Atchison Distillery closure, as well as reduced production volumes of co-products, primarily dried distillers grains. Ingredient solution sales increased by 5% during the second quarter, driven by a strong rebound in our specialty wheat protein sales. Following a 26% decline in the first quarter, specialty protein sales increased by 13% in the second quarter as we successfully commercialized new customers for these product offerings. Our fibrous and branded specialty wheat starch sales declined 4% below year-go levels. Consolidated gross profit increased 30% to $58.4 million, primarily due to lower gross profits in the distilling solutions and branded spirits segments. Gross margin declined by 350 basis points to 40.1%. First quarter SG&A expenses increased 2% compared to the prior year period. However, excluding the impact of a higher incentive compensation increase in 2025 as we build incentives, SG&A expense decreased by 8%, driven primarily by our cost savings initiatives. Advertising and promotion expenses declined 41% compared to the prior year as we lapped elevated spend for certain advertising campaigns during the year-ago quarter, as well as continued realignment of our spend behind our most attractive growth opportunities. Although we continue to expect branded spirits AMP spend to be approximately 12% of segment sales for the full year 2025, it represented 10% of branded spirits sales in the second quarter, largely due to the timing of certain advertising campaigns within the year. Second quarter adjusted EBITDA decreased 38% to $35.9 million, due primarily to lower gross profits as previously discussed. Net income for second quarter declined to $14.4 million, primarily due to a lower operating performance and an $8 million increase in the fair value of the contingent consideration liability related to the continued improved performance of the Penelope brand. On an adjusted basis, net income decreased 45% to $20.9 million. Basic earnings per common share decreased 67 cents per share, while adjusted basic EPS decreased 43% to 97 cents per share. We continue to prioritize strong cash generation by managing our working capital and reducing our barrel inventory put away. Our -to-date cash flow from operations was $56.4 million, up $26.8 million compared to the prior year period, driven primarily by favorable working capital changes. Our -to-date net barrel inventory put away of $14.7 million was down 28% versus the prior year period, and we continue to expect net put away of $15 to $20 million for the full year. Capital expenditures were $10.6 million during the second quarter and $18.7 million -to-date. We now expect full year 2025 capital expenditures of $32.5 million, a reduction of more than 50% compared to 2024 and down from our previous expectations of $36 million due to decreased investment in certain barrel warehouse projects to better align our warehouse investment with customer demand. Our balance sheet remains healthy and we remain well capitalized with debt totaling $297.1 million as of the end of the second quarter, leaving us with more than $600 million in availability under our debt facilities. We ended the quarter with a cash position of $17.3 million and our net debt leverage ratio remains largely stable at approximately 1.8 times as of June 30, 2025. With that, let me hand it over to Brandon before opening for questions.

To close, given the sequential improved results in the second quarter, we remain on track to deliver our full year outlook. Our teams are executing purposeful focus, agility and a targeted approach, leading to continued momentum across key branded segments, improved execution in the ingredients business and greater visibility and stability in the distilling solutions business. We are excited to have Julie on the team to lead us forward on our journey in becoming a premier branded spirits company. That concludes our prepared remarks. Operator, we're ready to begin the question and answer portion of the call.

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, press star then one on your touch tone phone. If you're using a speaker phone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. At this time, we'll pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question comes from Bill Chappell from Truist Securities. Please go ahead. Good morning, Bill. Thanks. Good morning.

Welcome, Julie. Welcome, Vord. I wanted to, I guess, first talk a little bit more about the new distillate contracts and kind of where we are and visibility from that standpoint. I guess question one, are you now through all or a high majority of the contract negotiations, discussions? Two, can you see, assuming that they hold in place, kind of where we will hit a low watermark in terms of revenue over the next few quarters? Three, what's your sense that these are conservative enough or overly conservative in terms of kind of their ordering? Historically, brands are overly conservative until they run out and then they add more. Just trying to understand maybe a little more color on that whole process.

Yeah. Thanks, Bill. As we shared in the preparatory remarks, firstly, we just couldn't be more proud of our Distilling Solutions team. Their outreach and partnership-first approach is really resonating with our customers and with our business. As of today, no contracts that we have with customers in February have been canceled. In fact, substantially all, Bill, have been either confirmed or amended. The little we have remaining are progressing well and a lot of maybe the holdup, if you want to describe it as that, maybe have to do with possibly extending the agreement in some cases. So very, very encouraged by the team's progress there. As far as the visibility goes, this gives us really, really great visibility for the remainder of 2025. We can talk about this more in a moment, but the back half is going to be relatively lighter than the first half due to some contracts that were reset. But even with that, that was expected and that was contemplated in our guide at the beginning of the year and in our current guide. So we feel that things are coming in as we had projected, in some cases slightly better. So that's through 2025. We've also stated consistently that this dynamic is going to persist in the 26. While some of our customers are taking temporary pauses in their purchasing as they want to bounce out and work down their inventory, we're confident that we're going to remain their long-term partner and supplier. We just don't know exactly when that's going to resume and at what type of volume. So we need a little bit more time there in this dynamic environment to work that out with them. And then as far as conservatism goes, Bill, the quarter came in really pretty much in line with our expectations. Again, some of the renegotiations that we've had have come in slightly better collectively and we've had a little bit better performance and age than expected at the beginning of the year. But other than that, things are playing out as we had thought. We still continue to expect distilling solution sales, excuse me, to be down 50% on the year. We earlier stated that gross profit dollars for the segment are going to be down 65%. That latter number may come in a little bit better for the reasons we described. But other than that, we feel like we're right down the middle in terms of our projections and are very, very confident in the way things have come in and are playing out so far.

And so just to make sure back to the age, your original expectations were little to no age sales this year. So maybe you can talk a little bit of why it's better other than just being conservative, like where you're seeing the orders and how you manage. I mean, I imagine everybody wants a discount. Somebody could come and buy some discounted product in the back half of the year or are you just saying holding off because we're not going to give it away, it's not going to go bad?

Yeah, great question. So we're really seeing it in a couple pockets. Firstly, again, going back to our partnership approach, our increased outreach to our craft and regional customers is resonating. And it's almost always their preference to deal directly with MGP and our team than to go through a third party broker. In almost all these cases, they're already using our liquid. And so the ability to go to them directly has been a great step forward in our relationship there. So that's part of the improvement we're seeing this year. But additionally, there are in some instances customers that are coming to market for the first time for a number of reasons. And they want to buy aged, but they view this as a new product. And so we're starting to see some traction there as well,

Bill.

Okay,

great. Thanks so much.

Thank you,

Bill. The next question comes from Mark Torrent from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. Hey, good morning.

Thank you for the question. And Julie, congratulations. We look forward to working with you. Thanks, Mark. Appreciate it. Yep. First question, Brandon Margin stood out. I think Kaya's GM and Eva Dugton's acquisition. Any additional color on gross margin phasing from here? And then advertising came down materially, perhaps from timing. But we know the strategy for this year is to be more targeted around central brands. There seems to be success. What's been working? What else do you need to adjust? And any other changes in branding to consider with price and positioning or distribution as we go forward?

All right. I think I got most of that, Mark. You may have to help me fill out some pieces I missed. But yeah, brand spirits margins are very strong in the quarter. That's really reflective of performance of our premium plus portfolio and the proportionate mix we're seeing over time there. We do think in the back half of the year, margins may be relatively lighter than that, as we expect value to continue to be under pressure. And the gross profit dollars associated with that are going to continue to be a bit of a headwind. A&P was down quite a bit in quarter, but it sticks out more only because Q2 of last year was very high due to some programming we did around college basketball that we didn't redo again this year. We're still expecting for the year A&P for our brand of spirits to be roughly 12% of net sales, which is down from the roughly 15% we've been seeing. However, when you take that A&P investment and do it as a percentage of our premium plus brands, which is where all that money is going, that number is closer to 25%, which is, as we all know, well above the industry averages. What's working? Focus. The key initiative here is focus. We've got a lot of great brands. And sometimes we don't know where to begin and where to focus. So we've really tried to improve that this year in both our sales and our marketing execution. And Penelope, El Mayor, and Rebel are all reacting to that in a positive way. And so that's what we're seeing. That's what's working as far as further pricing and mid and value. I think was your last question, Mark. Look, value especially is somewhere that's getting increasingly competitive, whether it's in promotions, taking down line pricing, or even rebates. It seems like everything's on the table. And there are just so many things we can or want to do there. And so we'd rather use our marketing dollars in support for the higher margin premium plus brands in our portfolio. But we aren't afraid to adjust our line pricing to adjust to our competitive set and what they're doing.

Okay. Thanks for that, Coller. And then I guess more on just selling sales and earnings for a bit better than at least we were thinking, but see more in line with your own expectations. Maybe just any more on how you're thinking about the phasing front half versus back half in the context of the full year. I guess any upside in the front half could seem to imply more or a deeper impact into the back half and perhaps even the front half of 26. So if margins were to hold in better than expected as they seem to be, is that coming from more cost control? Is that where just pricing is falling in on these contract reset? Is it mixed or a combination of all of the above? Thanks.

Yeah, Mark, I'll start with that one. Yeah, you know, as we've mentioned, there is some phasing of contracts and as a result, you know, with the 50% decline in sales for the full year, that would imply a big decrease in H2 from H1. On the gross profit standpoint, as Brandon mentioned, we expect that 65% decline that we previously guided to be a little bit better. And where we're seeing that benefit is in pricing. Pricing negotiations have gone well. And so we've seen some favorability there, again, as we've been able to successfully partner with our Distilling Solutions customers. And so we're encouraged by that. We see that show through in pricing. And that's where we see that margin and gross profit benefit coming through in the back half. Yeah,

the only thing I'd add to that is just due to the lower sales and lower production volume in the second half, the team's doing a phenomenal job in doing what they can to mitigate costs and especially fixed cost absorption levels. But we do expect some margin pressure, gross margin pressure in the back half. And as such, we're still expecting, you know, roughly 30% margins for the segment, which would imply that the back half is going to be probably closer to the 20s levels.

The next question comes from Robert Maskell from TD Cowan. Please go ahead.

Hi, this is Seamus Cassidy on for Rob Maskell. And thanks for the question. And welcome, Julie, as well. So my question is on Distilling Solutions. You cited the TTP data, which has, pretty notable production cuts. In light of that, could you sort of help frame where we are in terms of inventory rationalization at the industry level? And then secondly, would you describe the competitive environment as sensible still, especially in the context of your proactive engagement on pricing negotiations?

Yeah. So on the TTP, yeah, very encouraging signs. And, you know, from an overall inventory dynamic perspective, we still have a ways to go, Seamus. This is not going to be an overnight fix. However, you know, as we said, this is going to go into 2026. And we still feel that way. You know, but what we are seeing is, you know, in tough environments like these, we keep coming back to it, but partnerships matter. You know, customers and suppliers want to line up with those that they see a long-term relationship with. And, you know, the commitment that the team is showing out in the market is demonstrating that commitment. And, you know, I feel that, you know, our customers are responding, both current customers and new. We are actually adding customers in this environment. And so we're very encouraged by all that. So, you know, definitely this dynamic is going to persist. But we do feel that, you know, as a leading contract distiller for American whiskey, we are positioned well coming into this. And we feel like we're doing all the right things. And we're controlling the controllables, you know, to be better positioned coming out of it.

Great. Thank you.

And the next question comes from Sean McEllen from Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good to talk again. And welcome to your commentary. Thanks. My question is on, could you add some color on the difference in your mind between paused purchase and a canceled contract? You know, how like, how solid are those contracts if they've been paused? And is that pause like indefinite?

Yeah, their purchasing has been paused. The contract came to an end. And typically, these, you know, come up for renewal. And, you know, they're negotiated as all contracts are. But, you know, we got the sense when we really began our outreach at the beginning of the year, that, you know, there may be a pause coming. We have, you know, we can see inventory and pull rates on our customers with barrels in our warehouse. So we were able to have that open dialogue. And look, you know, like, like I said, Sean, these are, especially in the cases I mentioned, and we're talking about very large multinational customers with well established, very large brands. And, you know, historically, there's very little customer churning in instances like these. Our relationship with these customers, in a lot of cases, goes back years and years and years and years. And the uniqueness of our product and taste profile, you know, we think is a very strong positive for that represents their brand with their consumers. So, you know, we do view it that way as a temporary pause. And we're also confident it will resume. It may not resume at the same volumes it left off at when it does pick back up. But that's okay. We'll work back into it with them. And in the meantime, we're going to look to partner in different ways, whether it's through other product offerings like gin and GNS for vodka, or in helping them, you know, find homes for their inventory or other creative solutions for them to benefit their business.

Thanks for that clarity. And one little other clarification question on SG&A. In the quarter, I think you mentioned that there were some items in there related to Comp and Set, you know, if you exclude that, the SG&A was down a little bit more. Should we expect that elevated level of incentive comp to continue in the subsequent quarters, or was that kind of a one-time thing?

Yeah, we expect SG&A's percentage of sales in Q2 to persist in the back half of the year. And additionally, yeah, this is a reinstatement of the incentive comp. So it is year over year going to stick out a little bit more. But, you know, the important thing there is going back to controlling what we can control our cost savings initiatives and productivity initiatives at the beginning of the year. If you peel that out, it's actually showing, you know, an 8% decline in adjusted SG&A. So I'm very proud of the team for coming together and driving those savings. And, and yeah, we look forward to finding more as the year goes on. Okay. All right. Thank you very much.

The next question comes from Mitch Pinheiro from Sturtevant and Company. Please go ahead.

Good morning and welcome, Julie. I just had a couple questions for you. Okay. So, you know, you talk about visibility, you know, you've, you know, you've talked to your customers, you have good visibility. But we do see visibility, you know, think, you know, we're going to have significant, you know, downward pressure in sales for a while on the distilling side. Like, what does the visibility do for you? I mean, are we seeing it? Is that visibility enabling you to maintain a 30% gross margin? Or do you think the visibility is more advantageous than that? And, you know, and maybe it will help you to improve the margins from these current levels?

Yeah. So, you know, what the visibility gives us more than anything is confidence. We can see the proverbial bottom of the pool a little bit more clearly. And what it also allows us to do is set ourselves up for operational success. So, we know how many shifts to run. You know, we know what campaigns to run product wise. We know how many operators we need on site and so on. So,

it's

visibility in the numbers, but also the visibility in being able to, you know, operate efficiently. And, you know, this, you know, this pullback in the overall market happened pretty fast. And the team's done a very, very nice job of reacting. But to your gross margin question, if we're going to be in the mid-20s, in the back half of 2025, you know, we're doing what we can to chip away at that and get those numbers up. And whether it's through finding greater efficiencies or doing what makes us unique. So, one of those examples is we're one of the only contract distillers of American whiskey that can also distill GNS and Premium Gin for our customers. And while it's not necessarily as high a price as Brown Goods, it's an excellent way to gain efficiencies and scale in our facility. So, and also it's an excellent way to further partner with our customers in these hard times. So, you know, there's even proactive commercial activities that can actually improve the margin profile. So, you know, we're hopeful, Mitch, to answer your question in a long way that, you know, we're going to keep chipping away and we're going to get those margins up over time.

Okay. And then how, you know, so I think I heard you say that you expect put away, net put away for 2025 to be in the 15 to 20 million dollar range. Is that correct?

That's right. That's correct. So,

I mean, is that, I mean, how's that foot with, you know, just, you know, slow down. Is this 15 to 20 million of net put away sort of specific, you know, juice for certain customers that you need to do? And there's a, you know, there's a chunk of your inventory that's sitting there sort of just unaccounted for.

Yeah, most of it, most of our and so on. So, that's where most of our 15 to 20 million is going. And then, you know, the pockets of put away that we are doing for distilling solutions have more to do with long term agreements to supply age in the future for potential customers and for current customers. So, there's some of that contemplated in there as well. But, you know, what we're also in a really unique position to do in any quarter or any month is, you know, find good opportunities in the market. Okay, so we've got as good of a feel as anyone as to value. And so, if there are barrels out there that we know are not only unique and rare, but we can also monetize in a better way, we'll go out and buy those in the open market and we can then resell them. We could also dump them and bottle them in our own brand. So, that's also factoring into that 15 to 20 million bits. So, that's just a little bit of context around, you know, what that consists of and how we approach it.

Yeah, that's helpful. And then, you know, with sort of the ready to drink segment sort of really helping the spirits in industry, at least in terms of volume, are you doing or are you participating in any of that growth through, you know, obviously through third party brands?

Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, we've participated in that in white goods and G&S too, but also, you know, to your point, in American whiskey. So, a lot of that, you know, tends to go out the door. It's not always aged for very long, if at all. But yeah, no, you can imagine that a lot of our customers who buy traditional bourbon for traditional brands would also lean on us for that capability as well.

And then I guess finally, just on the So Penelope, obviously, has been, you know, you see skews increasing, you know, your distribution is increasing. What's the rest of the portfolio like? Obviously, if Penelope is doing really well, that would, you know, obviously imply some weakness there. Is there any particular brands that have been weaker than normal or also are shining, you know, besides your, you know, you've caught out Rebel and, well, Elma, you're on the tequila side. So anything happening within the premium plus that's weaker than it should be or, you know, love to hear that.

Yeah. Yeah. So Penelope, like you said, is continuing just with tremendous momentum. The lifeblood of that brand is innovation and in coming out with offerings and items that are, that resonate with consumers and meet them exactly where they are. Penelope Weeded is a great example of that, but even our recently introduced Ready to Serve line or Ready to Pour line of Penelope Peach Old Fashioned and Black Walnut Old Fashioned are great examples of doing exactly that. So very, very proud and pleased with the progress of Penelope. Elm A or two, you know, strong volumes in the quarter. We came out with new packaging and some new size offerings, so we're excited for that. And Rebel 2 showed sales growth in the quarter. But there are also offsets, Mitch, primarily in Apple, larger volume American whiskey brands. And those are actually declines that we've been dealing with in recent quarters as well. But we're not just sitting on our hands there. We are making adjustments, whether it's with line pricing to better position it with their respective competitive sets, but also with innovation as well. And so there's additional Ready to Serve products coming out possibly across other parts of our portfolio, albeit at different price points than Penelope. So that may round out our premium plus price tier for you better,

Mitch. All right. Well, appreciate the insight. Thank you.

Thank you, Mitch. Again, if you have questions, please press star, then one. And the next question comes from Ben from Lake Street Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

All right. Thanks for taking my questions. And more than everybody. And Julie, congratulations on the new role. A couple of questions on the ingredients segment. It's great to see year over year growth, both on the top line and on earnings here. I have two questions. First one is Brandon, I'm wondering if you can give us an update on the challenges in the export market specific to this segment and both on a sequential basis and year over year basis, what that impact was in the second quarter. And then if you have any insights regarding the export opportunity in the back half of the year.

Yeah. So as it relates to export with ingredient solutions, what we're really talking about there is our specialty protein product line, specifically our Arise specialty protein. And as you'll recall, most of that for a long time has been sold with a long-term partner into Japan. And as we've discussed last year, they started, they began really slowing down their purchases. And so it was a little bit of a surprise at the time, but the team has done a great job in recommersalizing that Arise line in North America with new and existing customers. And the demand from Japan is still there, not at the same volumes that we'd seen historically, but interestingly enough, as we look into next year, they're looking to possibly increase their orders. But the important thing is that we've been able to find a home for that, not quite at the same pricing that we may have been getting prior, but still at very profitable pricing. So very proud of the team and their ability to react to what's going on internationally.

And just to add to that, Ben, to the point, that's the key component of the driver of the increase versus Q2 of last year. Specialty protein sales increased 13% due to our ability to replace that export volume with domestic customers. And then you mentioned sequential increase, you know, the ingredients segment increased significantly sequentially from Q1 sales are up 32%. The biggest driver of that increase is our specialty wheat protein offerings, which increased 5.3 million versus Q1 due to our ability to commercialize that loss to export business domestically, as we messaged earlier this year.

Great, great. That's helpful from both of you. Thank you. And my second question on this segment, I'm going to get back into you is around, there's a lot of things moving in the right direction here. The biofuel plant's coming online for some cost savings. You've got this dynamic with the export pressure starting to maybe Wayne that you just talked about, new customers onboarding, and you expect second half to be better, both in revenue and profit than the first. I'm wondering if you can maybe help us isolate that new customer contribution element of this. You talked about a couple new customers coming online here at some point within the second quarter. Wondering one, if they came online as in the magnitude that you expected, and then kind of where they stand today from a revenue perspective versus where you think they'll be, you know, at a run rate basis here in the quarters to come.

Yeah, so a lot of the new customers that we've been getting, as Mark just said, has been on the specialty protein arrives front in North America. And, you know, any new customer, especially in this business, there can be a load in and then some choppiness. And we've seen some that. In fact, Q1 was choppy as a result of this. Q2 was where we expected it to be. We expect, you know, Q3 to be strong as well for specialty protein, maybe not quite as strong as in Q2, but then we expect a strong Q4. So it's going to be maybe a slight step down in Q3, but the choppiness is reducing in its size, which is great to see in what you would expect. Where the opportunity really is on the new customer front is in our Proterra Extruded Protein Facility that came online last April. And, you know, like I said, in this business, it can take, you know, anywhere from 8 to 12 to, you know, 24 months to commercialize a new customer. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of commitment. And the team is making a lot of progress there. This is a great facility, up to 10 million pounds of production capability. And I shared earlier in the year that we had two large customers that we've been working with that we were hoping to come on in the back half of the year. I had a discussion about that just recently with the team, as you'd imagine. That is still looking good in both cases. Could be more Q4. But the point is, is that we're making progress. Additionally, something we're doing to increase our customer pipeline and funnel is we're expanding our capabilities and our offerings at our Proterra facility. We are now working with SOI as an example. And the result of that has been a complete, you know, inbound of new customers and new opportunities. So because this facility is is located separately from our overall ingredients facility, we're able to experiment with different brains such as this. So, you know, that's really where our runway is for growth in terms of, you know, new customer acquisition, Ben. And that's where the team's focused in making a lot of progress.

Very good. That's interesting to hear. Well, congratulations on that segment, specifically having some good momentum here and mitigating a lot of the challenges in the spirit side as well in the quarter. Take my questions and I'll get back to you.

Perfect. Thank

you, Ben.

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Julie Francis for any closing remarks.

Thank you. I'd like to thank everyone for joining our quarterly earnings call today. I look forward to engaging with all of you the very near future and playing a much more active role in the next earnings call. So good luck, everyone. We'll talk soon.

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