McGrath RentCorp

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Welcome to the McGrath Rent Corp. First Quarter 2025 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a -and-answer session. At that time, if you have a question, you will need to press the star key followed by the one key on your telephone. This conference call is being recorded today, Thursday, April 24, 2025. Before we begin, note that the matters the company manager will be discussing today that are not statements of historical facts are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including statements relating to the company's expectations, strategies, prospects, or targets. These forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve significant risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from those projected. Important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from the company's expectations are disclosed under risk factors in the company's Form 10-K and other SEC filings. Forward-looking statements are made only as the date hereof, except as otherwise required by law. We assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. In addition to the press release issued today, the company also filed with the SEC the earnings release on Form 8-K and its Form 10-Q for the quarter ended March 31, 2025. Speaking today will be Joe Hanna, Chief Executive Officer, and Keith Pratt, Chief Financial Officer. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Hanna. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you, Jess. Good afternoon, everyone. And thank you for joining us today from a BRCA's first quarter 2025 earnings call. I am pleased to report on our performance over the past quarter and to provide an update on our outlook for this year. I will also address current possible effects of tariffs on the business. First, I will review our quarterly results. For the quarter, total company revenues increased 4 percent, and adjusted EBITDA increased 3 percent compared to a year earlier. This performance was driven by continued progress from our modular strategic growth initiatives, as well as some recovery at TRS. Mobile Modular's rental revenues grew 3 percent. Both commercial and education rentals were positive. The commercial wins we experienced were geographically broad-based and in a wide variety of market verticals, including government, technology, and healthcare. We continue to win education business in both public and private schools across all our geographies. The architectural billing index data and other macro indicators of construction-related demand continue to indicate some weakness and some project delays. Our quote activity was up for the quarter, while new rental bookings were below the prior year due to the softer construction market. This reflects longer closed cycles and some mixed shift. Sales revenues were lower for the quarter, reflecting typical -to-quarter variability. Our new modular sales growth initiative continued to be on a positive trajectory as we see more acceptance of modular solutions for construction projects across many market segments. Mobile Modular Plus and site-related services performed well and saw healthy increases in the quarter, helping to offset lower units on rent. Turning to our portable storage business, rental revenues declined by 13 percent in line with what we expected in reflecting ongoing commercial construction softness. We entered the year with a rental revenue run rate that was below the start of 2024, and it will take some time for it to recover. At TRS Rentelco, rental revenues grew slightly. We had an encouraging start to the year with broad-based improvement across multiple equipment categories. Our rental pipeline is up from the prior year, and some previously delayed projects were started. We have been effectively managing the fleet to maximize opportunities to sell unutilized equipment. Utilization improved substantially to end the quarter at 65 percent, up from 59 percent in the fourth quarter. Now, let's look at how 2025 is unfolding amidst the uncertainty present in the broader economy. Overall, we expect the impact of tariffs in 2025 to be a limited headwind to the business. As a reminder, we own our fleet, so the investments generating our revenue are substantially made. Cost increases for materials we use to operate the business, for repair and maintenance that are subject to tariffs, are not significant cost drivers, and in some cases, we have purchased ahead so the 2025 exposure is limited. Our exposure to China tariffs is also limited. At TRS, only 4 percent of our current rental fleet was sourced from China. At Portable Storage, China is the primary source of new containers, but with current fleet utilization at 60 percent, we do not expect to make significant new equipment purchases in the near to medium term. We shared in our fourth quarter call that the key driver for our performance in 2025 will be the demand conditions across all our business segments. At present, we have good activity levels in the field related to current projects. As we look further ahead and into the second half of the year, we have concerns that in the overall market, some companies may be slowing new project starts due to uncertainty around the impact of tariffs, costs, overall economic growth, and possible government spending cuts. We have been very clear in past quarters that our strategic focus is on the modular business and on the implementation of our plans to be a solutions provider to our customers. None of that has changed, nor will it change, due to current economic uncertainty. Our Mobile Modular Plus, site-related services, and custom sales have been good revenue contributors since their launch, and we will continue to work on growing them. Our efforts at increasing revenue per unit are still yielding results, and we believe we have more room to continue that progress. Our expansion into new geographies will continue as we invest to grow the top line responsibly. And finally, we have a robust M&A pipeline that should yield results in future quarters. In looking at the total company, McGrath has a resilient business model. Our broad base of customers and the recurring rental revenues that they drive provide some stability if economic conditions soften. Additionally, if demand declines, we generally incur lower expenses to satisfy customer orders, and we can reduce rental equipment capital spending, which improves cash flow. These dynamics were evident in 2020 as we navigated the COVID pandemic and enabled McGrath to finish 2020 in a healthy financial state, despite the unprecedented market disruptions. In closing, McGrath has successfully managed through all sorts of economic challenges for more than 40 years, always with a focus on returning value to our shareholders and on our company's sustainability. We have an experienced leadership team, management continuity, and a long tenured base of team members throughout the company. While the exact economic impact of the current tariff and trade disruptions are not completely clear, I am confident we have the skill set to continue to manage through this latest economic challenge and execute our strategy effectively. As always, we will be working diligently to maximize opportunities to keep the business strong and deliver results for our shareholders. With that, I will turn the call over to Keith, who will take you through the financial details of our quarter and updated outlook for the full year.

Thank you, Joe, and good afternoon, everyone. As Joe highlighted, we delivered solid results in the first quarter, driven primarily by the performance of our mobile modular business. Looking at the overall corporate results for the first quarter, total revenues increased 4% to 195.4 million, and adjusted EBITDA increased 3% to 74.5 million. Reviewing mobile modular's operating performance as compared to the first quarter of 2024, mobile modular had a strong quarter, with adjusted EBITDA increasing 10% to 47.6 million. Total revenues increased 3% to 131.9 million. 3% higher rental revenues and 22% higher rental-related services revenues were partly offset by 11% lower sales revenues. Rental margins were 60%, up from 57% a year ago, primarily because of the rental revenue growth and the lower inventory center costs. Sales revenues decreased 2.8 million to 22.5 million as a result of lower new and used sales projects during the quarter. Average fleet utilization was .6% compared to .7% a year ago. First quarter monthly revenue per unit on rent increased 8% to $831. For new shipments over the last 12 months, the average monthly revenue per unit increased 12% to $1,194. There is still a positive pricing tailwind opportunity as our fleet germs. We continue to make progress with our modular services offerings. Mobile modular plus revenues increased to 8.6 million from 7.2 million a year earlier, and site-related services increased to 4.1 million up from 3.2 million. Turning to the review of portable storage in the first quarter, adjusted EBITDA for portable storage was 8.6 million, a decrease of 25% compared to the prior year. Week demand conditions continued, primarily because of low commercial construction project activity. Rental revenues for the quarter decreased 13% to 16.1 million, and rental margins were 84%, down from 87% a year earlier. Average rental equipment on rent decreased 10%, while average utilization for the quarter was 60.2%, compared to .8% a year ago. Turning now to review of TRS Rentelco, adjusted EBITDA was 17.9 million, a decrease of 3% compared to last year. Total revenues increased 1.3 million, or 4%, to 35 million. Rental revenues for the quarter were up slightly at 25.5 million, which was the first quarterly increase since the first quarter of 2023. Average utilization for the quarter was 61.6%, compared to .5% a year ago, reflecting improved demand conditions and our continued focus on fleet management. Rental margins were 40%, compared to 36% a year ago. Sales revenues increased 17% to 8 million, with gross profit of 3.7 million. The remainder of my comments will be on a total company basis. First quarter selling and administrative expenses increased 1% to 50.9 million. Interest expense was 8.2 million, a decrease of 4.5 million, as a result of lower average interest rates and lower average debt levels during the quarter. The first quarter provision for income taxes was based on the first quarter on an effective tax rate of 24.6%, compared to .6% a year earlier. Turning to our -to-date cash flow highlights, the use was 54 million, compared to 59 million in the prior year. Rental equipment purchases were 12 million, compared to 79 million in the prior year, consistent with lower fleet utilization and our plans to use available fleet to satisfy customer orders. Healthy cash generation allowed us to pay 12 million in shareholder dividends and reduce debt by 31 million. At quarter end, we had net borrowings of 559 million, comprised of 175 and 384 million under our credit facility, and the ratio of funded debt to the last 12 months actual adjusted EBITDA was one. While it is difficult to accurately assess the impacts of the tariff and trade policy developments, I will provide several additional comments on the potential impact on the graph. First, some comments on the demand outlook, starting with domestic revenues, which account for over 95% of our business. We are more cautious regarding the potential demand strength and upsides for the second half of this year. There are certain examples of construction industry project delays and cancellations that are surfacing in the overall market, and if this becomes more widespread, it could negatively impact our modular and portable storage businesses. Total McGrath international revenues have ranged between 2% and 4% over the past three years and occur in our TRS business. Tariffs may erode the economic attractiveness of some of our international transactions at TRS. Next, some comments on capital standing. Given current utilization levels, we have less need to add new rental accounts to our rental equipment this year. Some suppliers of rental equipment are beginning to contemplate tariff-driven price increases with some estimates in the 5% to 15% range. However, some of our spending on rental equipment for 2025 has already been secured, which should limit any negative tariff impact this year. Lastly, operating costs incurred as we maintain our rental fleets may also experience some tariff-driven increases. We're still working to determine the scope and size of increases and how much can be passed along to customers or offset by efficiency and cost management initiatives at McGrath. All of these comments are based on limited information, and our views may change going forward. In summary, our business performance was solid in the first quarter and looks positive for the second quarter. Based on what we know today, we currently expect tariff and trade policy disruptions to have a relatively limited impact on 2025 financial performance. Our primary concern is that the overall economic uncertainty could result in some delays in the future. We expect to see some of these delays or fewer rental and sales projects in the second half of the year. So, we have updated our full-year financial outlook to reflect this. We currently expect total revenue between $920 million and $960 million, adjusted EBITDA between $343 million and $355 million, gross rental equipment capital expenditures between $115 million and $125 million. We are proud of McGrath's first quarterly focused on solid execution for the remainder of 2020-25. That concludes our prepared remarks. Jess, you may now open the lines for questions.

Thank you, sir. At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. You may remove yourself from the queue at any time by pressing star two. Once again, that is star one to ask a question. We will pause for a moment to allow questions to queue. We'll go first to Scott Schneeberger with Oppenheimer.

Scott. Thanks very much. Good afternoon, all. I guess, Joan Keith, I'll focus my first questions in mobile modular. The education, you mentioned growth in rental revenue in both categories of commercial and education rentals. On education, what are you seeing as far as order flow for the year? I know this is the time of year where you start to see it for activity later in the year. So, just kind of curious in that one category, what kind of indications are you getting thus far?

Sure. I can answer that, Scott. We, bookings were just a little bit light for education in the first quarter, but in April, we're starting to see more orders. So, the funding dynamics really haven't changed. The demand situation really hasn't changed. And I would say that our education opportunities are really don't run concurrently or in conjunction with the general construction related activity that you see in the market. It's kind of a separate entity because it relies on funding from local bond measures and state bonds and things like that. None of that's changed. We're expecting to have a good year in education, and the bookings are not yet fully realized yet. So, we'll see a lot more to report in the next quarter on that.

All right. Thanks on that. Could you speak a little bit to project size in the commercial category and mobile modular? I imagine the larger projects are raising the strength smaller, maybe not so much. But could you just kind of frame that for us since we're seeing indications of a softer macro from third parties and just wondering what you're seeing out there and speaking with your customers?

Thanks. Yeah, I would say what you said is accurate, Scott. The larger projects that have been underway are pretty solid. It's the smaller ones that are more, we're getting just more uncertainty from those folks. You know, what's interesting is the activity level is good. There's a lot of inquiries into projects. We're just seeing that some people may be hesitant to pull the trigger on some things, particularly as things go into the second half of the year. So, that's just kind of where things stand.

So, you see demand, you see a pipeline there. You just think that the hesitancy could occur in this environment? Absolutely. The pipelines

are really good. Activity is really good. Our quoting activity is good. And as we said in our prepared remarks that the order sizes are a little bit smaller, and that's due to some factors like mixed shift as an example. But overall activity is pretty good right now.

Thanks. And then on pricing, on new shipments, over the last 12 months, your monthly revenue per unit, up 12 percent year over year. That's good. I know as recent as fourth quarter, it was up 15 percent slight deceleration, but that number is up, I think, significantly versus a year ago. I'm just thinking that was plus nine. So, I mean, all very nice numbers. You're still seeing that pricing lift. I mean, we're seeing a slight deceleration. Any comment on that? My takeaway is it's pretty strong overall. So, just if you could dig in a little bit on the pricing environment specifically.

Sure. Well, I think you've summed it up. I think we're doing very well in this area. As you know, pricing can be influenced by many factors. You know, the type of unit, the region you are in, the length of the contract. And what you're looking at is a very aggregated number, but it does indicate a couple of things. One is that number has increased over time on new shipments. It reflects healthy movement in base unit pricing, and in addition, adding more services to the contracts. Those are things Joe's talked about extensively. We've been working on for the last couple of years. I think every year we're making more progress in that area, and it will continue to be a focus. So, that's really positive. And then the other thing that we've noted in the past is newer units are going out at a rate that is well above the sort of legacy, install base average unit on rent number. And so, we absolutely believe there's a positive pricing tailwind there that over time as the fleet churns, there's an opportunity to get more revenue per unit from our fleet. And that's something we're very focused on.

Brilliant. And Keith, would you agree? I think the difference between new shipments over the last 12 months, monthly revenue per unit versus your total fleet units on rent, monthly revenue per unit, it's over 40 percent higher, the recent deliveries. So, even if you made no more deliveries going forward, you would still have an implied double digit pricing lift on conversion. Is that an accurate way to talk about that?

Yeah,

I think

it's a reasonable way to look at it. There's a big gap. It is over 40 percent. And churn causes us to reset pricing. And in that way, churn gives us a revenue lift. And I think it's only fair to point out, as we noted in the prepared remarks, I mean, the offset here is fewer units on rent. And we have seen some pressure. You'll see our utilization has drifted slightly lower. And that reflects 4 percent lower units on rent in the first quarter. So, making really nice progress on the revenue per unit. The headwind is that in the current, more sluggish commercial construction environment, we're seeing fewer units on rent. And again, that's something we've been dealing with now for multiple quarters. And we've commented on last year as well as this year. So, that's just the one challenge area that I think many players are dealing with. But we're very pleased with what we're accomplishing in terms of revenue per unit on rent and with the revenue for new shipments.

Understood. Thanks for that. I'm going to spin over to TRS and then move on. A nice step up in rental revenue, I think, first time in a couple of years. Do you still outrate on what you're seeing with regard to demand trends and what you're hearing? Is this a detail that there's maybe something behind this?

Yeah, I don't think it's a blip or anything. One of the things that we commented on in prior quarters was the weakness in the semiconductor and computer part of the business. That was actually up very nicely in the quarter. And the reason is that customers are telling us, you know, that the projects that have been delayed are actually starting. And so, we're really glad to see that. We think that trend will continue.

Thanks for that, Joe. And then, just be remiss if I didn't ask on the guidance overall. I mean, just you trimmed it slightly. And I heard a lot of, you know, cautionary discussion about uncertainty in the back half of the year. It doesn't sound like you have much direct exposure to tariffs. It doesn't sound like that's a concern. And with your utilization levels, you don't need to tap market spending capex right now. So, it's really just your customers that you're worried about. Is this a get ahead of it cut, or is this because you're hearing a lot from your customers about, hey, yeah, we're really nervous? And is that what's prompting it? Thanks.

Yeah, it's a really good question, Scott. And probably the way to answer it is we're dealing here with a very fluid situation. There's a lot we don't know. But the way I would frame it is as follows. If we looked at the world in February, you know, we felt pretty good about our start to the year. You may recall we had good clothing activity in the month of January all across the business. And here we are, it's April. And particularly in the last handful of weeks, both the speculation around tariff policy and then some of the announcements and then some of the churning, all of that we're concerned about creating more uncertainty. And when we look at where we're finding our data, a lot of this is in the trade press. It's in things you can go out and find and read. It's not so much directly our business experiencing really any cancellations that we're aware of and really no major delays, but any different from what we've seen over the last year or so. I think the difference is we are concerned that customers who are planning things, they may take longer to take action. And as you appreciate in any rental business, it makes a difference to us whether a rental project begins in June or gets pushed to September, because it limits how much rental revenue we're going to earn this year on that transaction. And in a similar vein, if we take a sales project where there may be a lot of work that goes into the planning of that project and a lot of back and forth with the customer, we know those projects, especially the larger ones, take many months to bring to fruition. So if we lose a few months in this early part of the year with people hesitating or holding back, then projects we might have thought would happen in September, October of this year, they might get pushed into the first quarter of next year. So all of that could have some impact on our results. As you can tell from the shift in the guide, it's a very minor shift, but it's more an acknowledgement on our part that the journey this year is just a little bit more uncertain and probably a little bit more challenging than what we thought a couple of months ago. That's really the net of it.

Thanks. Appreciate that answer. I'll turn it over, guys. Thanks very much.

We'll move next to Daniel Moore with CJS Securities.

Thank you, Joe and Keith. Thanks for the color and taking questions. I'm just going through and see which we're not covered yet. So TRS, great to see uptick, you know, year over year in Q1. Is that sustainable given kind of your modestly more cautious outlook overall? Do you expect that in H2 from a year over year perspective, any color there?

Yeah, I think, yeah. Go ahead, Keith. You want to take this one?

Yeah, sure. Just a couple of thoughts, Dan. And here's the way I sort of paint the picture with our journey so far. And in all of this, what I really stress is it's April, and so there's still a long way to go. But I think in looking at that business, if we looked at how things went in January to February to March and even into this, you know, quarter or month to date in April, there has been a really nice solid progression with the business momentum. And as we shared in some of our disclosure, pretty broad based as well. It's not relying on one single thing. So that is really, really encouraging. And I think under normal circumstances, we'd look at that business and you'll recall back in February, that's a business where we just thought adjusted EBITDA this year is probably going to be comparable to what it was last year. Absent all of this sort of turbulence that we're going through, I'd be feeling like that business can do better for 2025 than we thought. However, when we look at where we are today, I just think we're sort of curbing our enthusiasm just a little, despite those really good things that have happened in the first three and a half months. And just acknowledging that, well, second half of the year could just throw a couple of unexpected or unknown impacts on us. So there's just a little bit of caution there. But that's a great example where we're going to be tracking that one. We may have a different view in July, but we're trying to give you a sense of our thinking as it stands today. Great start, really also starting nicely in the second quarter. And second half of the year, there's more unknowns. And just as a reminder, that is a business which churns very quickly, shorter rentals, shorter terms, so the business is recreating itself every few months. And so really second half of the year, it's just too early to tell. We'll know more in July.

Now, that's great color, very helpful. I'll jump over to portable storage. You know, given the lingering pressure on revenue, you've done, if we looked at the back half of last year, a remarkable job maintaining margins. You know, this quarter a little bit more pressure. So help me think about how do you expect margins, you know, for the next few quarters, get more of kind of thinking more year over year rather than Q1 as a comp, or does it get more difficult if the conditions in revenue deteriorate further?

Yeah, and again, just big picture on that part of the business. As we pointed out and Joe said it in his remarks, we started this year, you know, with a much lower run rate than Q24. So that's the big challenge area. I think Q1 played out as we expected. I think if you look at the detail in terms of margins, you'll see some pressure on rental related services. That's an area where we've looked at it hard. We see some people in the industry are using not rental rate on the unit, but delivery fees and other items to, you know, sharpen their pencil on completing transactions. I think we're looking at ways to recover some of the lost margin there ourselves. We can do things, some things operationally, but looking to protect the overall rental rate pricing as best we can and be smart about how we handle the delivery pickup upside of things as well. So looking at the big picture, I don't think there's going to be more margin pressure there. I think we're pricing smartly in this environment and we're looking at the delivery side and the pickup side to be efficient and smart about how we minimize any loss of margin in that area. So what you've seen is probably in line with what we're going to see for the next couple of quarters. We'll be working hard to try and improve upon it, but it's going to be gradual.

Helpful. In that vein, are you looking to step up, you know, sales or divestments of portable storage units given, or you know, you tend to hold on to what we have now. How do you think about managing utilization forward and is there a market for them right now?

Sure. Well, a couple of things I point out. Number one, we've got a really high quality fleet. A lot of the fleet originated as what in the industry we call one-trippers, mostly from China. And so they're great pieces of equipment and they have a very long useful life. So the real distinction here is it's an asset class that should age griskly. And so there's no pressing need to take urgent action in the next, you know, six months or this year. Very different from our electronics business where you've got all the technology changes that mean you have to actively manage that fleet. So there's just to give you a really contrasting way to look at it. And just as in electronics where we saw some challenges, our team did a really fantastic job over multiple quarters of shrinking the fleet while they continued to do well in the market winning business. It's different in portable storage. We have probably have more units than we need across multiple geographies, but we're working hard to put them to work. It may take more than a year, but that's not a reason to sell fleet today. And then in, you know, a couple of years need to buy it all back. And another example of an area where we have some insulation from tariff risk because we own the fleet and we have some spare capacity. So that's where we stand today and that's where we're looking at it.

Yeah, I'll just add in there. Yeah, please. I'll just add in there too. We're happy to sell units if we have the opportunity. So where we're utilization is low, we'll sell fleet if we need to or have the chance to do it.

Makes sense. One or two more. You're already leaning into, you know, refurbishing more existing units rather than acquiring new ones. And it sounds in your prepared remarks, certainly sounds like you're continuing to move in that direction. Or is that something you've are likely accelerate? You know, the CapEx guide ticked a little bit lower, but you know, how are you kind of thinking that beyond the next quarter or two?

Yeah, I think similar to what we said in February. It's a good way for us to meet demand. It's our preferred way from a free cash flow point of view. It's a very smart way to operate the business. So no real change in our general approach there from what we said back in February.

Helpful. Last one, similar to Scott's question. You gave great color, so maybe it's beating dead horse. But you know, you mentioned a limited impact from tariffs. You know, and then you also mentioned, you know, if the weakness becomes more widespread, it could, I guess the question is, if it does, would that likely drag on kind of lower end of guidance or are you already contemplating some incremental weakness in the revised ranges?

Yeah, again, I go back to all the comments that we made earlier. We tried to step you through all the moving parts of demand, reminding everyone that we're primarily domestic and where the cost impact could be. There could be a little bit in CapEx, but on the other hand, this is not a big CapEx year for us given where utilization is at. And then on the operating expense side, there's certainly rumblings of, you know, paying a bit more for certain grades of steel or certain types of lumber. But again, that's limited impact, I think, in 2025. Some of it was materials we have on hand or we've placed orders for. I think any impact comes later in the year. And really the big picture here is just a little bit more caution or concern that customers may move more slowly in their decision making and their initiation of projects given this backdrop of macro uncertainty. Hopefully there's very little of it. We'd be delighted. We'd love to, you know, have a great year. But again, our view today compared to two months ago, there is a bit more caution. It's an issue for the second half of the year, not the first half of the year. All right, that

frames it well. Thanks again for the call.

We'll move next to Stephen Ramsey with Thompson Research Group.

Good evening. Maybe to start with on mobile modular plus, it continues to be strong and the growth on a percentage basis outpacing revenue per unit and new shipment growth rate. Can you talk about operational progress here that the sales team is making and market acceptance and customers wanting more of what you're offering?

Sure. Yeah. Our customers like our offerings. We're very flexible with them in terms of the different offerings that we give them because we don't actually own the equipment and we can we re-rent it and we are able to get them specifically what they need for each of their applications. So the acceptance is good. We're doing a much better job with our sales team in terms of integrating those offerings in with each of our rentals. It's a priority in the business and we're making traction with that as each quarter progresses. So I've been very pleased with how things are going and we're going to continue on that trajectory.

Okay, that's helpful. And then thinking about the market kind of slower local projects, but then bigger projects being better at least relative to local. How is the sales team adapting its approach to capture that opportunity and does it heighten the focus even to grow modular plus or site related in this kind of environment?

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we're we, you know, fortunately, we have folks that are in close proximity to our customers. So if it's a large project, we're all over it. If it's a smaller project, we're also all over it. So, you know, I don't see any any problems there with getting the sales force motivated to go after either one of those types of projects. So I, you know, we've got we've got all our folks who are highly motivated to make their commissions and they're out there, you know, knocking on the doors and in front of the customers. So I think we're doing a pretty good job of that.

Okay, that's helpful. And then on modular RRS reflect off rent, but site related services is mostly tied to units starting a contract. If my understanding there is correct. But can you talk about how site related is growing at such a strong rate despite the volume headwind in the modular segment?

Yeah, our site related services actually can be a pretty substantial part of a project. And so right now they're they're kind of more lumpy as we continue to get traction there. But we're you know, you could have a million dollar sale project that has a million dollars with site related services that accompany it. So that's that is as you said, it's correctly is is revenues that we recognize in our rental related services line. And actually some of those site related services could be on a dismantle. A lot of them are when the project goes in. But sometimes there's things that need to happen when a project comes out. And so we can book revenues for those for the ending of the project to.

Okay. And then when you think about customer hesitation or general customer sentiment and how it impacts the balance of the year potentially being negative. Do you do you expect this lowered sentiment to bring down the potential growth rates of the modular plus and the site related revenue through the balance of the year or those two revenue components being moderated? Or would you say it's in other parts of the business?

Yeah, it's a good question. And here's what I think about it. This is all gap. So if we were to experience, you know, customers moving more slowly or more deliberately and the. It's thing of new shipments slowing down relative to maybe what we saw a year ago or two years ago. I think that makes it more challenging to grow things like MM plus and site related services. And to some extent, we've already been there. If you look back at the last few quarters, you know, the construction industry backdrop has been one with some challenges. So the issue is, does it incrementally become a little tougher? It could. And if it did, it would make growing those items a little bit harder. But I think it's important to sort of zoom out and say these are longer term initiatives. And, you know, the battle is neither won or lost. It's December 31st of this year. It's really a multi-year journey where these are things we do because we think they provide value to customers. We think that we can do them well. And we think we're on a journey that's going to be a positive one over the long haul. So that's sort of the way we think about it internally.

OK, that's helpful. And then last one for me, you talked about geographic expansion being a priority. Maybe can you clarify some of the nuances for that in 2025, your priorities between geographic focus, customer focus, product between storage and modular, and then maybe high level, how much of that is organic driven versus M&A driven?

Sure. It's a good question. Our geographic expansion opportunity and focus this year is important. We're not going to see a whole lot of revenue gains this year because we're putting some of that infrastructure in place. But when you, you know, populate markets with new sales reps and additional sales power and infrastructure, that's something that, you know, is important to us. It's a focus and we'll, you know, we'll see some results this year, but more in future years as we continue to get traction there. So and most of that is the geographic expansion. I mean, most of our that we can control, of course, is organic. But if we can backfill or add or, you know, further densify a market by doing an M&A transaction, we'll absolutely do that. So I would say they're both, they're both important to us. And, you know, we're excited to see progress this year in both of those categories.

Okay, that's great. Thank

you for all the color.

Thank you.

We'll go next to Mark Riddick with Sudodi.

Hey, good evening. Hey Mark. So I wanted to follow up on that because in your prepared remarks, you had made some mention or commentary around some of the, around acquisition pipeline. Maybe you can sort of talk a little bit about how that's going, maybe, and maybe how you might be looking at that and tie that into cash usage. I mean, with the, it's a good time to have a lower debt level, of course, you're now below 1.6 times on leverage. So maybe you could sort of, you know, marry those two and talk about the types of opportunities that may have come to fruition over the last few months. And maybe what drove that?

Yeah, there are some, there are some larger opportunities that are out there. We are, you know, we have dialogue and relationships with folks in the industry that we think would be good potential transactions for us. Not only on the larger side, but also, you know, in terms of our tuck-in activity too. So we're out in the market. We're talking to people. We have a pipeline of folks that are, that we're talking to that are showing interest. We hope to close some of those in 2025. And so it's been an active market and one where we want to be at the table to add to our rental revenues and add to our offerings that we have. So an important part of the business for us. And Mark, you touched on it. Our leverage is really appropriate for us to do smart M&A. We have some dry powder to do that. So we're really happy about that.

Excellent. And then last one for me, I was sort of curious as to maybe where you comfort level as to talent that you see yourself needing to do much in the way of hiring. How comfortable are you with talent levels? Are there any areas that you would like to add to or maybe should be keeping an eye out for? Thanks.

Sure. I mean, we've been hiring. We put off a number of hires last year due to the merger, the pending merger. When that was terminated, we started right back in again and we have not had problems hiring people. So the market's been pretty good. We're getting the talent that we need and we're very pleased with the quality and type of candidates that are available out there. So it's been a good opportunity for us.

It's encouraging to hear. Thank you very much. Thank you,

Mark.

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