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MKS Inc.

Q12024

5/9/2024

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Welcome to the MKS Instruments first quarter 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during this session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's Conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, David Rizek, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

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David Rizek
Vice President of Investor Relations

Good morning, everyone. I am David Rizek, Vice President of Investor Relations, and I'm joined this morning by John Lee, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Michelle McCarthy, our Vice President and Chief Accounting Officer. Yesterday, after market closed, We released our financial results for the first quarter of 2024, which are posted to our investor website at investor.mks.com. As a reminder, various remarks about future expectations, plans, and prospects for MKS comprise forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially as a result of various important factors, including those discussed in yesterday's press release and in our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2023. These statements represent the company's expectations only as of today and should not be relied upon as representing the company's estimates or views as of any date subsequent today, and the company disclaims any obligation to update these statements. During the call, we will be discussing various non-GAAP financial measures. Unless otherwise noted, all income statement-related financial measures will be non-GAAP other than revenue and gross margin. please refer to our press release and the presentation materials posted to the investor relations sections of our website for information regarding our non-GAAP financial results and a reconciliation of our GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures. For a detailed breakout of revenues by end market and division, please visit our investor website. Now, I'll turn the call over to John.

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, David. Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us today. MCAS delivered strong results in the first quarter, despite a muted market backdrop. First quarter revenue of $868 million exceeded the midpoint of our guidance. Adjusted EBITDA of $217 million and net earnings per diluted share of $1.18 both exceeded the high end of our guidance. We're particularly pleased with our strong gross margins, which reflect the value of our proprietary offerings, discipline cost control, and operational execution. We continue to expect a recovery in our semiconductor and electronics and packaging markets to unfold slowly in the second half of 2024 and are poised to capitalize on our leading positions when we enter the next upturn. In our semiconductor market, we are foundational to key suppliers of leading-edge process equipment in an era where AI is beginning to have a transformative impact on compute and memory architectures. We believe that AI is a powerful secular trend that will drive growth in our industry for years to come. but it's only the latest example in the long history of powerful secular trends in this market. Personal computers, mobile devices, and data centers are earlier examples of transformative use cases in their time, all a result of the miniaturization and packaging of semiconductors. Our vacuum solutions enable critical deposition and etch processes that are necessary in the manufacturing of high bandwidth memory, as well as a broader array of DRAM, NAND, and logic semiconductors. In photonics, our optical solutions help our customers solve complex challenges in lithography, metrology, and inspection. In addition, our motion control solutions are used to enable precise positioning of the wafer in hybrid bonding applications. In our electronics and packaging market, our unique combination of laser and chemistry expertise positions us for attractive growth in packaged substrates. which are a key building block of advanced packaging architectures. This complements our opportunity in high-density interconnect PCBs, which are required for smartphone and AR, VR applications, and where we also see a growing opportunity in the low Earth orbit application. In our specialty industrial market, we address a broad array of specialized applications where we are leveraging our proprietary technology to deliver strong margins and attractive cash flows. Across all these markets, we harness a broad base of capabilities and key enabling technologies, such as vacuum, photonics, and materials solutions. With a leadership position in a broad array of product categories, this affords us a holistic view of the ever-increasing device scaling requirements faced by our customers, enabling us to develop integrated, novel solutions to address these challenges. As an example, our team in Korea was recently recognized by Samsung Electromechanics for their support in the development and trial production of new products. We were also recently recognized by ST Microelectronics, receiving the Best Performance Material Supplier Award and the Innovation Value Engineering Award for our work in developing a new adhesion promoter technology that enhances automotive IC package reliability. We are proud of the deep customer relationships that we've built over the last several decades and are excited about the opportunities that lie ahead for MKS. I'll turn now to our end markets. Revenue from our semiconductor market exceeded our expectations in the first quarter, as we saw slightly stronger demand and improved conversion of customer backlog. Overall, demand for our vacuum solutions for deposition and edge applications remains muted. primarily due to historically low levels of NAND equipment spending. We believe broader customer inventories across our vacuum portfolio are generally in a more balanced state today compared to a few quarters ago, but we may see some additional pockets of workdowns in areas tied to NAND. With our photonics solutions division, revenue from our optical solutions for lithography, metrology, and inspection applications remained robust in the first quarter. we continue to see momentum in our world-class optics initiative. This is a unique offering where MCAS brings optics, coatings, motion stages, optical subsystems, and lasers to solve complex challenges in transistor scaling. As we look to the second quarter of 2024, we expect revenue in our semiconductor market to be slightly down sequentially from a better than expected first quarter results. Early memory market indicators, including improved pricing and increasing demand, well as continued spending tied to ai applications are encouraging but as the industry first brings idle capacity back online we expect the recovery and capital equipment spending to return gradually in the second half of the year turning to our electronics and packaging market revenue was in line with expectations despite the unfavorable impact of foreign currency and lower palladium prices sales of our chemistry solutions for pcb and packaged substrate markets were stable in this immuted market for PCs, smartphones, and non-AI servers. Our results also reflected expected seasonal softness due to the Lunar New Year holiday. However, we did see a slight pickup in demand for our plating equipment lines for complex, high-density, multi-layer PCB production, which we believe was primarily driven by growing AI server demand. As many of you know, AI GPUs require a large amount of advanced semiconductor content, which in turn requires complex packaging schemes. Semiconnectors are mounted onto a package substrate that is then mounted onto a high-density PCB and afterwards is mounted onto an advanced multi-layer PCB. This growing substrate and PCB content in AI architectures puts MKS in a unique position to benefit with our proprietary laser drilling, chemistry, and plating equipment solutions. We also saw additional demand for laser drilling systems for the fast-growing low earth orbit application within the PCB market, where we are the process tool of record. As we look to the second quarter of 2024, we expect revenue from our electronics and packaging market to be up on a sequential basis due to an increase in plating equipment revenues and a seasonal increase in chemistry revenues following typically lower first quarter utilization. Turning to our specialty industrial market, revenue was slightly better than expected, driven by the modest sequential improvement in our life and health sciences and research and defense markets. Revenue from our general metal finishing business in the automotive market remained flat overall on a sequential basis. As we look to the second quarter, we expect demand trends in our specialty industrial market to remain stable, with revenue relatively in line with first quarter levels. Wrapping up, NKF delivered a strong profitability in the first quarter, despite a continued soft end market demand environment. While we expect overall industry demand to remain muted near term, we feel very good about the positioning of our portfolio and the investments we've made to capitalize on the key secular trends driving our end markets. Turning now to the finance discussion, I'd like to introduce you to Michelle McCarthy, our Vice President and Chief Accounting Officer, who will walk through our financial results in more detail. Michelle recently joined MKS and brings a strong public company accounting background to complement our deep finance team. This team is doing an outstanding job as we conduct our search for MKS's next chief financial officer, and we will keep you posted on our progress. Michelle, why don't we take it from here?

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Michelle McCarthy
Vice President and Chief Accounting Officer

Thanks, John. It's a privilege to be part of the MKS team. In the first quarter, we delivered revenue of $868 million. above the midpoint of our guidance primarily due to better-than-expected revenue from our semiconductor market. First quarter semiconductor revenue was $351 million above the high end of our guidance and declining 3% sequentially. The year-over-year comparison is not meaningful as it was distorted by the ransomware incident last February. Revenue performance in the quarter is led by better-than-expected conversion of backlog in the vacuum solution segment. as well as continued robust sales of our photonics solutions. First quarter electronics and packaging revenue was $208 million, relatively in line with the midpoint of our guidance, and a decrease of 8% sequentially. Excluding the impact of foreign exchange and palladium pass-through, sales of our chemistry solutions in this market grew 15% on a year-over-year basis as our business bounced back from industry softness a year ago. Moving to our specialty industrial market, Revenue in the first quarter was $309 million, above the midpoint of our guidance and up 1% sequentially. Similar to our semiconductor business, the year-over-year comparison is distorted by the ransomware incident. Consumables and services revenue across our three end-market categories comprised 42% of our total revenue. Turning to our margins, we reported first quarter gross margin of 47.8%. exceeding the high end of our guidance range. The strong results were a function of better than expected volumes, favorable product mix, and continued cost control. We also benefited by approximately 60 basis points from certain non-recurring items. First quarter operating expenses were $240 million, in line with expectations. Throughout the current cycle, MKS has focused on prudently managing our cost structure while ensuring we invest to innovate for our customers and capitalize on the attractive opportunities we see ahead of us. Our first quarter operating margin was 20.2% and exceeded the high end of our guidance range, reflecting strong gross margin performance coupled with the natural operating leverage in the business. It is noteworthy that our acquisition of AddoTech has been a meaningful contributor to our strong performance in both gross and operating margins. Further to that point, exiting the first quarter, We exceeded our AddoTech cost synergy target of $55 million, and we accomplished this at the earlier end of our expected timeframe of 18 to 36 months, continuing our track record of executing well on M&A synergies. First quarter adjusted EBITDA was $217 million, representing a 25% margin and exceeding the high end of our guidance range. Net interest expense for the first quarter was approximately $75 million, slightly favorable compared to our expectations. As a reminder, in the first quarter, we refinanced our term loan and completed a $50 million voluntary debt prepayment. Our refinancing included the paydown of our term loan A with incremental borrowings against our term loan B and the elimination of the financial maintenance covenant that applied while our term loan A was outstanding. We expect second quarter net interest expense will be approximately $79 million. Also, in early April, we made another $50 million voluntary debt prepayment. Our tax rate for the first quarter was approximately 23%, slightly favorable as compared to our expectations entering the quarter. We expect our tax rate for the second quarter to be about 23% and our full year tax rate to be approximately 20%. First quarter net earnings were $79 million, or $1.18 per diluted share. exceeding the high end of our guidance. We exited the first quarter with more than $1.5 billion of liquidity, including cash and short-term investments of $846 million and an undrawn revolving credit facility of $675 million. Gross debt was $4.9 billion at the end of the quarter. Our net leverage ratio exiting the first quarter was 4.3 times based on trailing 12 months adjusted EBITDA of $940 million. Free cash flow was approximately 49 million, and unlevered free cash flow was 108 million. As a reminder, our first quarter free cash flow is typically lower due to timing of variable compensation payments. Consistent with prior quarters, we made a dividend payment of $15 million, or 22 cents per share. With that, let me turn the call back to John. John?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Michelle. Let me now turn to our second quarter outlook. We expect revenue of $860 million plus or minus $40 million, reflecting the slow path to market recovery that we've discussed on recent calls. By end market, our outlook is as follows. Revenue from our semiconductor market is expected to be $335 million, plus or minus $15 million, reflecting our view that the market continues to bounce along the bottom with a modest recovery expected in the second half of the year. Revenue from our electronics and packaging market is expected to be $220 million, plus or minus $10 million. And revenue from our special industrial market is expected to be $305 million, plus or minus $15 million. Looking ahead to the second half of 2024, we expect revenue to be slightly higher than the first half, reflecting a modest improvement in our semiconductor market combined with typical seasonality in our electronics and packaging market. Our specialty industrial market is expected to remain relatively consistent, mirroring global GDP trends. Based on anticipated product mix and revenue levels, we estimate second quarter gross margin of 46.5%, plus or minus one percentage point. The step down in gross margin as compared to the first quarter reflects anticipated product mix, as well as certain items that we do not expect to recur in the second quarter. We expect second quarter operating expenses of $240 million plus or minus $5 million. We continue to believe $240 to $250 million is an appropriate run rate for the balance of 2024. We estimate adjusted EBITDA of $197 million plus or minus $23 million. Given these assumptions, we expect second quarter net earnings per diluted share of $0.93 plus or minus $0.26. We continue to execute very well in navigating the cyclical softness in our end markets. I'm very pleased with the strong profitability and margin profile of our business. This, along with our differentiated product and technology portfolio tied to key secular trends in our end markets, positions us well for the next cyclical upturn. With that, operator, please open the call for Q&A.

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Conference Operator
Operator

Thank you. At this time, we will conduct a question and answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. We ask that you please limit your questions to one question and one follow up. Please stand by while I compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from Steve Barger from KeyBank Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

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Steve Barger
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

Thanks. Good morning. John, I know you expect recovery to unfold slowly in the back half, but we're hearing more commentary about 2025 being a strong year for memory and initial positioning for the two-nanometer transition next year to start. I know you don't want to get too far ahead, but inflections can happen quickly when they come. So can you talk about customer conversations for memory and leading edge and just how you're thinking about timing and capacity to support that inflection?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I see. Great question. Certainly we're very intimate with our customers and have these discussions all the time. Obviously we need to prepare our factories to support them. I would say that, you know, we still expect a slowly unfolding second half, but to your point, there are good signs with memory pricing and utilization picking up. Logic remains strong, as you pointed out, two nanometer and three nanometer capacity is getting used up, too. So, you know, I think that the discussions are all about we're on the bottom, bouncing along the bottom, and it's really about timing, Steve, and you are right. Things can change very quickly, but As you know, MCAS is pretty good at that. We've been at this for 60 years. We have the capacity to support, obviously, much higher run rate that we had already in the past few years. So we're just waiting and ready for that whenever that happens.

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Steve Barger
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

Got it. And similar question on substrate. You talked about AI and some other opportunities like low Earth orbit. Can you talk through the roadmap for more layers or tighter tolerances on those substrates? and how increasing complexity will benefit you given your position in drilling, plating equipment, and chemistry?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

We're really excited about things like AI driving, not only the semiconductors, but the electronics and packaging. AI boards are going up to 20 layers now. Of course, the lines and spaces and the vias are also smaller. That's all good for us. It's more chemistry. It's more difficult chemistry. It's more laser drilling. It's more difficult laser drilling. It's more difficult bonding layers between the various layers in that PCB. And so when you have the ability to toggle laser equipment, chemistry equipment, and chemistry, you just have a better solution set for the customers in solving these really tough challenges. So we believe that MCAS is uniquely positioned in the industry to solve these really advanced packaging problems.

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Steve Barger
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

And just one quick follow-up. So, as you've had the conversations with customers, are they telling you to prepare for a higher capital spending environment for the drilling, plating, equipment, and chemistry?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, it varies, but I think as we pointed out in the earnings script, we have seen this uptick in equipment orders tied to, we believe, AI. This is for actually the high-density multi-layer boards. So, As we talked about in earnings calls, there's three different types of packages. You know, the advanced stuff that connects the chips, then goes onto a high-density board, then goes onto this very complex multi-layer board. And so this is the first sign where we've seen actually CapEx increases for some part of the food chain associated with AI.

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CapEx

Terrific. Thanks. Thanks, Steve.

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Conference Operator
Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Jim Ricutti from Needham & Company. Please go ahead.

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Jim Ricutti
Analyst, Needham & Company

Hi, thank you. Good morning. One of your competitors in the specialty chemistry market recently, I think last month, talked about improving demand in the electronics market in a couple of the geographic regions. I'm wondering, is that consistent, John, with what you're seeing in In general, how would you characterize also the pricing environment within the out-of-tech business, and to the extent that might be helping your margins?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I think we would agree with that, Jim. I think it's slowly improving. You saw in our commentary that year over year, our Q1 is significantly better in our electronics chemistry than it was last year, to the tune of 15%. Yeah, it's been gradual and improving, so that's a good sign. In terms of pricing, we talked about gross margin for the business. We talked about Adatech gross margins really significantly adding to the gross margin profile of MCAS. I also want to point out that we saw the gross margin improvement in all three divisions, so not just Adatech. But Adatech certainly comes with, I would argue, industry-leading gross margins and that's obviously indicative of the value they're bringing to those customers. So pricing has been strong. We're getting paid for the value that we bring, and then we see slight improvement, and we hope that continues.

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Jim Ricutti
Analyst, Needham & Company

Got it. On the drilling side, apart from that application that you alluded to, the lower orbit application, are you seeing any lift in the March quarter bookings that Yeah, more consistent with the seasonality that we've seen occasionally in those parts of the business, or is that still something that we're still kind of bouncing along the bottom in this part of the business?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I think we can see a slight improvement, Jim, but I don't look at it as, you know, any kind of trend right now. I think it's still muted, still bouncing along the bottom. But, you know, Flex laser drilling versus HDI, laser drilling, of course, is different. So, The flex is certainly still very muted. HDI is slightly better. I would just characterize it as still bouncing along the bottom, Jim.

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Jim Ricutti
Analyst, Needham & Company

All right. Thank you.

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Jim.

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Conference Operator
Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Krish Sankar from TD Cowan. Please go ahead.

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Krish Sankar
Analyst, TD Cowen

Yeah, thanks for taking my question. I had a few of them. John, I'm just trying to reconcile your statement that second half should be slightly better than first half in terms of revenues. That would imply that calendar 24 revenues for you could be down on a year-over-year basis or slightly down. I'm just kind of curious, is that true? If so, do you expect both semi and electronic packaging to be down or one down more than the other?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, yeah, I think there's a lot of still uncertainty with respect to revenue, but we do expect to be slightly better in the second half versus the first half. And, you know, it depends on what your assumptions are for Q3 and Q4, obviously, whether the whole year is up or down. But, you know, as was pointed out earlier, this thing, it can change quickly. We're planning on, you know, in a slight uptick second half, but we're also planning on being ready in case it accelerates. So, I would say that's still TBD in terms of year-over-year comparison for the full year.

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Krish Sankar
Analyst, TD Cowen

Got it, got it. And then can you just give an estimate of what you think advanced packaging learning should be this year and what it was last year?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I think we've talked about advanced packaging being a third of our business. And when servers and PCs and phones were kind of more normalized, This year is probably more on that quarter percent, 25%, sorry. But, you know, that can vary. And, of course, you can read about, you know, the public companies who are our customers in advanced packaging. And you can see that, you know, obviously their revenues are down significantly. So that's consistent with that.

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Krish Sankar
Analyst, TD Cowen

Got it, got it. If we could just squeeze in one more, John. Just curious, John, How do you think about Adotech benefiting or, you know, the impact of Adotech when some of your customers start moving to glass panels for advanced packaging down the road?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, no, glass is certainly something that the industry's talked about for a long time, obviously, and more people are talking about it now. I would just say this, you know, Adotech is an industry leader in packaging, advanced packaging, and the next generation, you know, I would characterize it as we're certainly always in those discussions, always certainly looking at what our customers' needs are and developing the necessary processes to enable what they need. And glass is one of the things that we are working on, along with the rest of the industry.

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Chris

Thanks, John.

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

By the way, Chris, I wanted to just clarify my statement about 25%. That's 25% of electronics and packaging, not 25% of MKS. Sorry. Yeah.

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Chris

Got it.

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Conference Operator
Operator

Thank you.

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spk04

Thanks, Krish. Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Joe Cardrochi from Wells Fargo.

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Conference Operator
Operator

Please go ahead.

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Joe Cardrochi
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Yeah. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to come to the same side. You know, as you think about just the recovery in the memory industry and you think about just, you know, what's going to be driving demand on the NAND side, it sounds like, you know, the recovery and spending is going to be more related to, you know, system upgrades or node transitions. So curious of how do you think about the revenue opportunity for MKS when maybe it sounds like the WIP is going to be a little bit more tied to you know, migration versus net new greenfield ad.

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, thanks, Joe. When the customers are upgrading the chambers for the next node, certain critical subsystems on there have to be upgraded. Otherwise, you can't do the next node. And one of those is the RF power decks. So as you may or may not know, there's three power decks on every chamber for VNAN etcher. And all three have to get upgraded if you're moving from one node to the other. And that is obviously the biggest part of our spend. So we don't really notice the difference between when they're doing chamber upgrade versus the entire tool. Obviously, if they're doing the entire tool, we may see other parts of MKS products go in there. But the chamber upgrade really benefits us equally, I guess, from the RF power standpoint. Now, having said that, we did talk about inventory burndown, and there's still a little bit left in the NAND market. But this is a good sign when some of the customers are talking about node upgrades because we'll start burning off that inventory, and then at some point they'll need the new stuff from us as well.

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Joe Cardrochi
Analyst, Wells Fargo

That's helpful. As a follow-up to that, do you expect that as we kind of look into the second half of this year that that NAND inventory burndown is still to play out to some extent, or is it, I guess, maybe starting to play out more this quarter?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I think it depends, right? It depends on how many people are changing nodes or upgrading the nodes. But I think our view now is that it's still slowly unfolding. So that's why we're saying that, slowly unfolding. So I think there's still more to go. And so I think in the second half, there's still some of that NAND inventory burndown that has to happen, certainly for us. But as we talked about earlier, it can change fast, right? And that could accelerate, and we're ready for that, whether that happens or not.

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Joe Cardrochi
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Got it. And just as a follow-up question, on the services gross margin strength that you had in the quarter, was that where the one-time item was, or just can you help us understand what drove that?

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Michelle McCarthy
Vice President and Chief Accounting Officer

Yeah, I can take that question. This is Michelle. So, yeah, we have favorability in the quarter, as we referenced in the prepared remarks, about 60 basis points. That's non-recurring. It's really related to favorable material variances, as well as favorability in freight and duty cost recoveries. That's really the bulk of it.

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, so not necessarily tied to service, Joe, but you did point out our service gross margins were probably record, I guess, with the call of that. But, you know, all the divisions, you know, had improved gross margin as well. But Service were really happy with, you know, the performance of that group with the last quarter. Is there anything to point out what drove that? There was a good product mix, you know, and certainly some, you know, pricing has rolled through and some, you know, some costs increased. pressures that have been in the past are no longer there. So kind of a mix of a whole bunch of things, Joe.

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Joe

Thank you.

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Joe.

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Conference Operator
Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Steve Barger from KeyBank Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

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Steve Barger
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

Yeah, thanks. Just a quick follow-up. As you've modeled out free cash flow and how EBITDA progresses, do you think net leverage can get to four or below by year-end, or is that too aggressive?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, Steve. Obviously, we're very aggressive in deleveraging. As you saw, Q1, we voluntarily paid another $50 million, and we talked about in April, we voluntarily paid yet another $50 million. Yeah, I think our ability to delever and prepay is really going to be a function of profitability, Steve. So not news to you, I'm sure. So I think it depends on how the year unfolds. Our model still is 50% gross margin flow through, 40% operating margin flow through. But as you know, we have a lot of leverage in the model. And so when revenue does pick up, you'll see a lot of cash flow, and then we'll be able to delever quicker.

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CapEx

Great, thanks. Thanks, Steve.

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Conference Operator
Operator

Thank you. I am showing no further questions. I would now like to turn the call over to David for closing remarks.

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David Rizek
Vice President of Investor Relations

Thank you all for joining us today and for your interest in MKS. Operator, you may close the call, please.

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Conference Operator
Operator

Thank you.

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spk04

This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Thank you. Music.

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spk01

Thank you. Thank you.

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Conference Operator
Operator

Welcome to the MKS Instruments first quarter 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during this session, you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. Please be advised that today's Conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, David Rizek, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

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David Rizek
Vice President of Investor Relations

Good morning, everyone. I am David Rizek, Vice President of Investor Relations, and I'm joined this morning by John Lee, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Michelle McCarthy, our Vice President and Chief Accounting Officer. Yesterday, after market closed, We released our financial results for the first quarter of 2024, which are posted to our investor website at investor.mks.com. As a reminder, various remarks about future expectations, plans, and prospects for MKS comprise forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially as a result of various important factors, including those discussed in yesterday's press release and in our annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2023. These statements represent the company's expectations only as of today and should not be relied upon as representing the company's estimates or views as of any date subsequent today, and the company disclaims any obligation to update these statements. During the call, we will be discussing various non-GAAP financial measures. Unless otherwise noted, all income statement related financial measures will be non-GAAP other than revenue and gross margin. please refer to our press release and the presentation materials posted to the investor relations sections of our website for information regarding our non-GAAP financial results and a reconciliation of our GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures. For a detailed breakout of revenues by end market and division, please visit our investor website. Now, I'll turn the call over to John. Thanks, David.

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining us today. MCAS delivered strong results in the first quarter, despite a muted market backdrop. First quarter revenue of $868 million exceeded the midpoint of our guidance. Adjusted EBITDA of $217 million and net earnings per diluted share of $1.18 both exceeded the high end of our guidance. We're particularly pleased with our strong gross margins, which reflect the value of our proprietary offerings, discipline cost control, and operational execution. We continue to expect a recovery in our semiconductor and electronics and packaging markets to unfold slowly in the second half of 2024 and are poised to capitalize on our leading positions when we enter the next upturn. In our semiconductor market, we are foundational to key suppliers of leading-edge process equipment in an era where AI is beginning to have a transformative impact on compute and memory architectures. We believe that AI is a powerful secular trend that will drive growth in our industry for years to come. but it's only the latest example in the long history of powerful secular trends in this market. Personal computers, mobile devices, and data centers are earlier examples of transformative use cases in their time, all a result of the miniaturization and packaging of semiconductors. Our vacuum solutions enable critical deposition and etch processes that are necessary in the manufacturing of high bandwidth memory, as well as a broader array of DRAM, NAND, and logic semiconductors. In photonics, our optical solutions help our customers solve complex challenges in lithography, metrology, and inspection. In addition, our motion control solutions are used to enable precise positioning of the wafer in hybrid bonding applications. In our electronics and packaging market, our unique combination of laser and chemistry expertise positions us for attractive growth in packaged substrates. which are a key building block of advanced packaging architectures. This complements our opportunity in high-density interconnect PCBs, which are required for smartphone and AR, VR applications, and where we also see a growing opportunity in the low-Earth orbit application. In our specialty industrial market, we address a broad array of specialized applications where we are leveraging our proprietary technology to deliver strong margins and attractive cash flows. Across all these markets, we harness a broad base of capabilities and key enabling technologies such as vacuum, photonics, and materials solutions. With a leadership position in a broad array of product categories, this affords us a holistic view of the ever-increasing device scaling requirements faced by our customers, enabling us to develop integrated novel solutions to address these challenges. As an example, our team in Korea was recently recognized by Samsung Electromechanics for their support in the development and trial production of new products. We were also recently recognized by ST Microelectronics, receiving the Best Performance Material Supplier Award and the Innovation Value Engineering Award for our work in developing a new adhesion promoter technology that enhances automotive IC package reliability. We are proud of the deep customer relationships that we've built over the last several decades and are excited about the opportunities that lie ahead for MKS. I'll turn now to our end markets. Revenue from our semiconductor market exceeded our expectations in the first quarter, as we saw slightly stronger demand and improved conversion of customer backlog. Overall, demand for our vacuum solutions for deposition and edge applications remains muted. primarily due to historically low levels of NAND equipment spending. We believe broader customer inventories across our vacuum portfolio are generally in a more balanced state today compared to a few quarters ago, but we may see some additional pockets of workdowns in areas tied to NAND. With our photonics solutions division, revenue from our optical solutions for lithography, metrology, and inspection applications remained robust in the first quarter. we continue to see momentum in our world-class optics initiative. This is a unique offering where MCAS brings optics, coatings, motion stages, optical subsystems, and lasers to solve complex challenges in transistor scaling. As we look to the second quarter of 2024, we expect revenue in our semiconductor market to be slightly down sequentially from a better than expected first quarter results. Early memory market indicators, including improved pricing and increasing demand, well as continued spending tied to ai applications are encouraging but as the industry first brings idle capacity back online we expect the recovery and capital equipment spending to return gradually in the second half of the year turning to our electronics and packaging market revenue was in line with expectations despite the unfavorable impact of foreign currency and lower palladium prices sales of our chemistry solutions for pcb and packaged substrate markets were stable amidst a muted market for PCs, smartphones, and non-AI servers. Our results also reflected expected seasonal softness due to the Lunar New Year holiday. However, we did see a slight pickup in demand for our plating equipment lines for complex, high-density, multi-layer PCB production, which we believe was primarily driven by growing AI server demand. As many of you know, AI GPUs require a large amount of advanced semiconductor content, which in turn requires complex packaging schemes. Semiconnectors are mounted onto a package substrate that is then mounted onto a high-density PCB and afterwards is mounted onto an advanced multi-layer PCB. This growing substrate and PCB content in AI architectures puts MKS in a unique position to benefit with our proprietary laser drilling, chemistry, and plating equipment solutions. We also saw additional demand for laser drilling systems for the fast-growing low earth orbit application within the PCB market, where we are the process tool of record. As we look to the second quarter of 2024, we expect revenue from our electronics and packaging market to be up on a sequential basis due to an increase in plating equipment revenues and a seasonal increase in chemistry revenues following typically lower first quarter utilization. Turning to our specialty industrial market, revenue was slightly better than expected, driven by the modest sequential improvement in our life and health sciences and research and defense markets. Revenue from our general metal finishing business in the automotive market remained flat overall on a sequential basis. As we look to the second quarter, we expect demand trends in our specialty industrial market to remain stable, with revenue relatively in line with first quarter levels. Wrapping up, NKF delivered a strong profitability in the first quarter, despite a continued soft end market demand environment. While we expect overall industry demand to remain muted near term, we feel very good about the positioning of our portfolio and the investments we've made to capitalize on the key secular trends driving our end markets. Turning now to the finance discussion, I'd like to introduce you to Michelle McCarthy, our Vice President and Chief Accounting Officer, who will walk through our financial results in more detail. Michelle recently joined MKS and brings a strong public company accounting background to compliment our deep finance team. This team is doing an outstanding job as we conduct our search for MKS's next chief financial officer, and we will keep you posted on our progress. Michelle, why don't we take it from here?

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Michelle McCarthy
Vice President and Chief Accounting Officer

Thanks, John. It's a privilege to be part of the MKS team. In the first quarter, we delivered revenue of $868 million. above the midpoint of our guidance primarily due to better-than-expected revenue from our semiconductor market. First quarter semiconductor revenue was $351 million above the high end of our guidance and declining 3% sequentially. The year-over-year comparison is not meaningful as it was distorted by the ransomware incident last February. Revenue performance in the quarter is led by better-than-expected conversion of backlog in the vacuum solution segment. as well as continued robust sales of our photonics solutions. First quarter electronics and packaging revenue was $208 million, relatively in line with the midpoint of our guidance, and a decrease of 8% sequentially. Excluding the impact of foreign exchange and palladium pass-through, sales of our chemistry solutions in this market grew 15% on a year-over-year basis as our business bounced back from industry softness a year ago. Moving to our specialty industrial market, Revenue in the first quarter was $309 million, above the midpoint of our guidance and up 1% sequentially. Similar to our semiconductor business, the year-over-year comparison is distorted by the ransomware incident. Consumables and services revenue across our three end-market categories comprised 42% of our total revenue. Turning to our margins, we reported first quarter gross margin of 47.8%. exceeding the high end of our guidance range. The strong results were a function of better than expected volumes, favorable product mix, and continued cost control. We also benefited by approximately 60 basis points from certain non-recurring items. First quarter operating expenses were $240 million, in line with expectations. Throughout the current cycle, MKS has focused on prudently managing our cost structure while ensuring we invest to innovate for our customers, and capitalize on the attractive opportunities we see ahead of us. Our first quarter operating margin was 20.2% and exceeded the high end of our guidance range, reflecting strong gross margin performance coupled with the natural operating leverage in the business. It is noteworthy that our acquisition of AddoTech has been a meaningful contributor to our strong performance in both gross and operating margins. Further to that point, exiting the first quarter, We exceeded our AddoTech cost synergy target of $55 million, and we accomplished this at the earlier end of our expected timeframe of 18 to 36 months, continuing our track record of executing well on M&A synergies. First quarter adjusted EBITDA was $217 million, representing a 25% margin and exceeding the high end of our guidance range. Net interest expense for the first quarter was approximately $75 million, slightly favorable compared to our expectations. As a reminder, in the first quarter, we refinanced our term loan and completed a $50 million voluntary debt prepayment. Our refinancing included the pay down of our term loan A with incremental borrowings against our term loan B and the elimination of the financial maintenance covenant that applied while our term loan A was outstanding. We expect second quarter net interest expense will be approximately $79 million. Also, in early April, we made another $50 million voluntary debt prepayment. Our tax rate for the first quarter was approximately 23%, slightly favorable as compared to our expectations entering the quarter. We expect our tax rate for the second quarter to be about 23%, and our full-year tax rate to be approximately 20%. First quarter net earnings were $79 million, or $1.18 per diluted share. exceeding the high end of our guidance. We exited the first quarter with more than $1.5 billion of liquidity, including cash and short-term investments of $846 million and an undrawn revolving credit facility of $675 million. Gross debt was $4.9 billion at the end of the quarter. Our net leverage ratio exiting the first quarter was 4.3 times based on trailing 12 months adjusted EBITDA of $940 million. Free cash flow was approximately 49 million, and unlevered free cash flow was 108 million. As a reminder, our first quarter free cash flow is typically lower due to timing of variable compensation payments. Consistent with prior quarters, we made a dividend payment of $15 million, or 22 cents per share. With that, let me turn the call back to John. John?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Michelle. Let me now turn to our second quarter outlook. We expect revenue of $860 million, plus or minus $40 million, reflecting the slow path to market recovery that we've discussed on recent calls. By end market, our outlook is as follows. Revenue from our semiconductor market is expected to be $335 million, plus or minus $15 million, reflecting our view that the market continues to bounce along the bottom with a modest recovery expected in the second half of the year. Revenue from our electronics and packaging market is expected to be $220 million, plus or minus $10 million. And revenue from our special industrial market is expected to be $305 million, plus or minus $15 million. Looking ahead to the second half of 2024, we expect revenue to be slightly higher than the first half, reflecting a modest improvement in our semiconductor market combined with typical seasonality in our electronics and packaging market. Our specialty industrial market is expected to remain relatively consistent, mirroring global GDP trends. Based on anticipated product mix and revenue levels, we estimate second quarter gross margin of 46.5%, plus or minus one percentage point. The step down in gross margin as compared to the first quarter reflects anticipated product mix, as well as certain items that we do not expect to recur in the second quarter. We expect second quarter operating expenses of $240 million, plus or minus $5 million. We continue to believe $240 to $250 million is an appropriate run rate for the balance of 2024. We estimate adjusted EBITDA of $197 million, plus or minus $23 million. Given these assumptions, we expect second quarter net earnings per diluted share of $0.93, plus or minus $0.26. We continue to execute very well in navigating the cyclical softness in our end markets. I'm very pleased with the strong profitability and margin profile of our business. This, along with our differentiated product and technology portfolio tied to key secular trends in our end markets, positions us well for the next cyclical upturn. With that operator, please open the call for Q&A.

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Conference Operator
Operator

Thank you. At this time, we will conduct a question and answer session. As a reminder, to ask a question, you need to press star one one in your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star one one again. We ask that you please limit your questions to one question and one follow up. Please stand by while I compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from Steve Barger from KeyBank Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

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Steve Barger
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

Thanks. Good morning. John, I know you expect recovery to unfold slowly in the back half, but we're hearing more commentary about 2025 being a strong year for memory and initial positioning for the two-nanometer transition next year to start. I know you don't want to get too far ahead, but inflections can happen quickly when they come. So, can you talk about customer conversations for memory and leading edge and just how you're thinking about timing and capacity to support that inflection?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I see. Great question. Certainly, we're very intimate with our customers and have these discussions all the time. Obviously, we need to prepare our factories to support them. I would say that, you know, we still expect a slowly unfolding second half, but to your point, there are good signs with memory pricing and utilization picking up. Logic remains strong, as you pointed out, two nanometer and three nanometer capacity is getting used up, too. So, you know, I think that the discussions are all about we're on the bottom, bouncing along the bottom, and it's really about timing, Steve, and you are right. Things can change very quickly, but As you know, MCAS is pretty good at that. We've been at this for 60 years. We have the capacity to support, obviously, much higher run rate that we had already in the past few years. So we're just waiting and ready for that whenever that happens.

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Steve Barger
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

Got it. And similar question on substrate. You talked about AI and some other opportunities like low-earth orbit. Can you talk through the roadmap for more layers or tighter tolerances on those substrates? and how increasing complexity will benefit you given your position in drilling, plating equipment, and chemistry?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, see, we're really excited about things like AI driving, not only the semiconductors, but the electronics and packaging. You know, AI boards are going up to 20 layers now. And, of course, the lines and spaces and the vias are also smaller. So, you know, that's all good for us. It's more chemistry. It's more difficult chemistry. It's more laser drilling. It's more difficult laser drilling. It's more difficult bonding layers between the various layers in that PCB. And so when you have the ability to toggle laser equipment, chemistry equipment, and chemistry, you just have a better solution set for the customers in solving these really tough challenges. So we believe that MCAS is uniquely positioned in the industry to solve these really advanced packaging problems.

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Steve Barger
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

And just one quick follow-up. So, as you've had the conversations with customers, are they telling you to prepare for a higher capital spending environment for the drilling, plating, equipment, and chemistry?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, it varies, but I think, as we pointed out in the earnings script, we have seen this uptick in equipment orders tied to, we believe, AI. This is for, actually, the high-density multilayer boards. So, As we talked about in earnings calls, there's three different types of packages. You know, the advanced stuff that connects the chips and goes onto a high-density board, then goes onto this very complex multilayer board. And so this is the first sign where we've seen actually CapEx increases for some part of the food chain associated with AI.

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CapEx

Terrific. Thanks. Thanks, Steve.

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Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Jim Ricutti from Needham & Company. Please go ahead.

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Jim Ricutti
Analyst, Needham & Company

Hi, thank you. Good morning. One of your competitors in the specialty chemistry market recently, I think last month, talked about improving demand in the electronics market in a couple of the geographic regions. I'm wondering, is that consistent, John, with what you're seeing in In general, how would you characterize also the pricing environment within the out-of-tech business, and to the extent that might be helping your margins?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I think we would agree with that, Jim. I think it's slowly improving. You saw in our commentary that year over year, our Q1 is significantly better in our electronics chemistry than it was last year, to the tune of 15%. Yeah, it's been gradual and improving, so that's a good sign. In terms of pricing, we talked about gross margin for the business. We talked about Adatech gross margins really significantly adding to the gross margin profile of MKS. I also want to point out that we saw the gross margin improvement in all three divisions, so not just Adatech. But Adatech certainly comes with, I would argue, industry-leading gross margins and that's obviously indicative of the value they're bringing to those customers. So pricing has been strong. We're getting paid for the value that we bring, and then we see slight improvement, and we hope that continues.

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Jim Ricutti
Analyst, Needham & Company

Got it. On the drilling side, apart from that application that you alluded to, the lower orbit application, are you seeing any lift in the March quarter bookings that Yeah, more consistent with the seasonality that we've seen occasionally in this parts of the business, or is that still something that we're still kind of bouncing along the bottom in this part of the business?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I think we can see a slight improvement, Jim, but I don't look at it as, you know, any kind of trend right now. I think it's still muted, still bouncing along the bottom. But, you know, Flex laser drilling versus HDI laser drilling, of course, is different. So, The flex is certainly still very muted. HDI is slightly better. I would just characterize it as still bouncing along the bottom, Jim.

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Jim Ricutti
Analyst, Needham & Company

All right. Thank you.

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Jim.

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Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Krish Sankar from TD Cowan. Please go ahead.

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Krish Sankar
Analyst, TD Cowen

Yeah, thanks for taking my question. I had a few of them. John, I'm just trying to reconcile your statement that second half should be slightly better than first half in terms of revenues. That would imply that calendar 24 revenues for you could be down on a year-over-year basis or slightly down. I'm just kind of curious, is that true? If so, do you expect both semi and electronic packaging to be down or one down more than the other?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, yeah, I think there's a lot of still uncertainty with respect to revenue, but we do expect to be slightly better in the second half versus the first half. And, you know, it depends on what your assumptions are for Q3 and Q4, obviously, whether the whole year is up or down. But, you know, as was pointed out earlier, this thing, it can change quickly. We're planning on, you know, in a slight uptick second half, but we're also planning on being ready in case it accelerates. So, I would say that's still TBD in terms of year-over-year comparison for the full year.

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Krish Sankar
Analyst, TD Cowen

Got it, got it. And then can you just give an estimate of what you think advanced packaging learning should be this year and what it was last year?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I think we've talked about advanced packaging being a third of our business. And when servers and PCs and phones were kind of more normalized, This year it's probably more on that quarter percent, 25%, sorry. But, you know, that can vary. And, of course, you can read about, you know, the public companies who are our customers in advanced packaging. And you can see that, you know, obviously their revenues are down significantly. So that's consistent with that.

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Krish Sankar
Analyst, TD Cowen

Got it. Got it. If we could just squeeze in one more, John. Just curious, you know, How do you think about Adotech benefiting or, you know, the impact of Adotech when some of your customers start moving to glass panels for advanced packaging down the road?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, no, glass is certainly something that the industry's talked about for a long time, obviously, and more people are talking about it now. I would just say this, you know, Adotech is an industry leader in packaging, advanced packaging, and the next generation, you know, I would characterize it as we're certainly always in those discussions, always certainly looking at what our customers' needs are and developing the necessary processes to enable what they need. And glass is one of the things that we are working on, along with the rest of the industry.

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Chris

Thanks, John.

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

By the way, Chris, I wanted to just clarify my statement about 25%. That's 25% of electronics and packaging, not 25% of MKS. Sorry.

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Chris

Done. Thank you.

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Krish.

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spk04

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Joe Cardrochi from Wells Fargo.

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Conference Operator
Operator

Please go ahead.

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Joe Cardrochi
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Yeah. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to come to the same side. You know, as you think about just the recovery in the memory industry and you think about just, you know, what's going to be driving demand on the NAND side, it sounds like, you know, the recovery and spending is going to be more related to system upgrades or node transitions. So curious of how do you think about the revenue opportunity for MKS when maybe it sounds like the WIP is going to be a little bit more tied to you know, migration versus net new greenfield ad.

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, thanks, Joe. When the customers are upgrading the chambers for the next node, certain critical subsystems on there have to be upgraded. Otherwise, you can't do the next node. And one of those is the RF power decks. So as you may or may not know, there's three power decks on every chamber for VNAN etcher. And all three have to get upgraded if you're moving from one node to the other. And that is obviously the biggest part of our spend. So we don't really notice the difference between when they're doing chamber upgrade versus the entire tool. Obviously, if they're doing the entire tool, we may see other parts of MKS products go in there. But the chamber upgrade really benefits us equally, I guess, from the RF power standpoint. Now, having said that, we did talk about inventory burndown, and there's still a little bit left in the NAND market. But this is a good sign when some of the customers are talking about node upgrades because that will start burning off that inventory, and then at some point they'll need the new stuff from us as well.

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Joe Cardrochi
Analyst, Wells Fargo

That's helpful. As a follow-up to that, do you expect that as we kind of look into the second half of this year that that NAND inventory burn down is still to play out to some extent, or is it, I guess, maybe starting to play out more this quarter?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, I think, you know, it depends, right? It depends on how many people are changing nodes or upgrading the nodes. But I think our view now is that it's still slowly unfolding. So that's why we're saying that, slowly unfolding. So I think there's still more to go. And so I think in the second half, there's still some of that NAND inventory burndown that has to happen, certainly for us. But as we talked about earlier, it can change fast, right? And that could accelerate, and we're ready for that, whether that happens or not.

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Joe Cardrochi
Analyst, Wells Fargo

Got it. And just as a follow-up question, on the services gross margin strength that you had in the quarter, was that where the one-time item was, or just can you help us understand what drove that?

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Michelle McCarthy
Vice President and Chief Accounting Officer

Yeah, I can take that question. This is Michelle. So, yeah, we have favorability in the quarter, as we referenced in the prepared remarks, about 60 basis points. That's non-recurring. It's really related to favorable material variances, as well as favorability in freight and duty cost recovery. That's really the bulk of it.

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, so not necessarily tied to service, Joe, but you did point out our service gross margins were probably record, I guess, with the call of that. But, you know, all the divisions, you know, had improved gross margin as well. But Service were really happy with, you know, the performance of that group with the last quarter. Is there anything to point out what drove that? There was a good product mix, you know, and certainly some, you know, pricing has rolled through and some, you know, some costs increased. pressures that have been in the past are no longer there. So kind of a mix of a whole bunch of things, Joe.

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Joe

Thank you.

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Joe.

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Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 1-1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Steve Barger from KeyBank Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

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Steve Barger
Analyst, KeyBank Capital Markets

Yeah, thanks. Just a quick follow-up. As you've modeled out free cash flow and how EBITDA progresses, do you think net leverage can get to four or below by year-end, or is that too aggressive?

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John Lee
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yes, Steve. Obviously, we're very aggressive in deleveraging. As you saw, Q1, we voluntarily paid another $50 million, and we talked about in April, we voluntarily paid yet another $50 million. Yeah, I think our ability to delever and prepay is really going to be a function of profitability, Steve. So not news to you, I'm sure. So I think it depends on how the year unfolds. Our model still is 50% gross margin flow through, 40% operating margin flow through. But as you know, we have a lot of leverage in the model. And so when revenue does pick up, you'll see a lot of cash flow, and then we'll be able to delever quicker.

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CapEx

Great, thanks. Thanks, Steve.

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Conference Operator
Operator

Thank you. I am showing no further questions. I would now like to turn the call over to David for closing remarks.

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David Rizek
Vice President of Investor Relations

Thank you all for joining us today and for your interest in MKS. Operator, you may close the call, please.

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Operator

Thank you. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.

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