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spk12: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Mineralis Therapeutics 3rd Quarter 2023 Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star-zero for the operator. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Dan Ferry. of LifeSci Advisors. Please go ahead.
spk05: Thank you, Operator. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our third quarter 2023 conference call. Today, after the market closed, we issued a press release providing our third quarter 2023 financial results and business updates. A replay of today's call will be available on the Investors section of our website approximately one hour after its completion. After our prepared remarks, we will open up the call for Q&A. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that this conference call and webcast will contain forward-looking statements about the company. Actual results could differ materially from those stated or implied by these forward-looking statements due to risks and uncertainties associated with the company's business. These forward-looking statements are qualified by the cautionary statements contained in today's press release and our SEC filings, including our annual report on Form 10-K and subsequent filings. Please note that these forward-looking statements reflect our opinions only as of today, November 7th. Except as required by law, we specifically disclaim any obligation to update or revise these forward-looking statements in light of new information or future events. I would now like to turn the call over to John Colleton, Chief Executive Officer of Mineralis Therapeutics. John? Thank you, Dan.
spk04: Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our third quarter 2023 financial results and corporate update conference call. I'm joined today by Adam Levy, our Chief Financial Officer and Chief Business Officer, and Dr. David Rodman, our Chief Medical Officer. I'll begin with a brief overview of the business and recent milestones, followed by David, who will discuss our clinical programs, and then Adam will review our third quarter financial results before we open up the call for your questions. It was only 12 months ago when we first announced the positive top-line results from our Phase 2 target HTN trial of lorundersat in individuals with uncontrolled or resistant hypertension. We have since published additional data from the full analysis of the trial, which provided valuable insights supporting the potential use of lorundersat to treat uncontrolled or resistant hypertension. Most recently, We announced the full data from this trial were published by JAMA, and last week we presented a new analysis further providing additional data showing obesity was predictive of an enhanced response to lorundrastat across the continuum of BMI in a late-breaking poster presented at ASN's Kidney Week 2023. The data in these recent publications support our strategy of developing lorundrastat as a targeted treatment for hypertension and CKD. Now, let me provide some highlights from each of our clinical programs, and Dave will cover further details in a moment. Starting with ADVANCE-HTN, which is one of the most rigorous hypertension trials ever undertaken. The trial is designed to allow us to demonstrate the value of lorunderset when added to standardized background medication in confirmed, uncontrolled, or resistant hypertension subjects. We believe this trial has the potential to generate the highest level of evidence that will be important for potential inclusion in the hypertension guidelines, for treating physicians, and for access via payers. Based on the addition of a washout period at the end of Advance HTN, which David will discuss, and current enrollment trends, we are changing our guidance for top-line data from the first half of 2024 to the second half of 2024. We've learned a great deal over the past several months and continue to identify ways to optimize this trial, both in speed of execution and in selection of the right subjects. The LAUNCH-HTN phase three trial is the second of the two trials in our pivotal program for hypertension. We remain on track to initiate this trial by the end of 2023. The objective of this trial is to model the real-world setting of lorundrastat when added to existing treatment for uncontrolled or resistant hypertension in the primary care setting. We recently finalized the trial's primary endpoint to be automated office blood pressure, the same primary endpoint we used in the Target HTN trial, which demonstrated proof of concept for lorundrastat in hypertension. Launch HTN is anticipated to enroll up to approximately 1,000 adult subjects, and we now expect to be able to share top-line results in the second half of 2025. EXPLORE-CKD is our two-part Phase 2 clinical trial for lorundrastat as a potential therapy to treat hypertension patients with Stage 2 to 3B CKD. We expect to initiate the trial by the end of 2023 with top-line data available in Q4 2024 to Q1 2025. Details of this trial's design were also recently modified, which includes a few updates from the proposed design mentioned on our last call, which David will discuss in detail in a moment. Lastly, the ongoing open-label extension trial is designed to allow subjects from our hypertension and TKD trials to continue to receive Lurunderstat, which will provide long-term safety and efficacy data on Lurunderstat. We're also pleased to add two new independent members to the Mineralis Board of Directors. Daphne Caritas and Glenn Splendorio both bring a depth of experience, knowledge, and expertise that will be beneficial to the company as we continue on our path to bring targeted treatment to patients with hypertension, CKD, and beyond. As you can see, we've built up a lot of momentum in our clinical program over the past year and are well-positioned to continue executing our clinical strategy. Let me now turn the call over to Dr. David Robin, Chief Medical Officer of Mineralis Therapeutics, who will provide additional details on our clinical program for lorundrastat. Dave?
spk07: Thank you, John, and good afternoon, everyone. Today, I'll provide an update on the pivotal clinical program for lorundrastat, and then I'll give a summary overview of the planned Phase II trial of lorundrastat for chronic kidney disease that we've named EXPLORE-CKD. The ongoing advanced HTN trial continues to enroll subjects. As a reminder, this trial which we designed in partnership with the Cleveland Clinic, is a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled design that will enroll up to approximately 300 adult subjects with uncontrolled or resistant hypertension. Patients who have failed to achieve their blood pressure goal on two to five antihypertensive medications are placed on an optimized two or three drug regimen, along with real-time compliance monitoring. This is one of the most rigorously designed trials to be conducted in hypertension, optimizing for inclusion of truly uncontrolled or resistant hypertensive subjects. Subjects who fail to achieve 24-hour ambulatory or ABPM systolic blood pressure of 130 milligrams or lower are then randomized into the trial. One-third of subjects will be randomized to placebo, one-third to 50 milligrams of lorundrastat once daily, and 1.5 milligrams of lorundrastat once daily. That is then increased to 100 milligrams based on pre-specified criteria. The primary endpoint of the trial will be change in systolic blood pressure as measured by 24-hour ambulatory monitoring at week 12 in the two active arms versus placebo. We have classified two key secondary endpoints, including the percent of subjects achieving 125 millimeters of mercury or below on the 24-hour ABPM and the correlation of change in 24-hour ABPM to BMI or body mass index in order to reinforce the obesity positioning relative to our targeted therapeutic strategy and potential label inclusion. For subjects in the advanced HTN trial, The treatment withdrawal component of the program has been moved forward from week 48 of treatment in the open-label extension trial to week 12 of the advanced HGN trial. This amendment was implemented to add further value to the advanced HGN trial by characterizing the durability of changes in blood pressure, pharmacodynamic, and other laboratory assessments following the double-blind treatment period. As John mentioned earlier, we revised our expectations on timing for the top line data from the trial. In consultation with our collaborators at Cleveland Clinic, we've implemented several changes to the protocol and in the operation of the trial. These changes resulted from an analysis of the inclusion and exclusion criteria and were designed to increase our randomization rate while maintaining the rigor of the trial design. The second part of our pivotal program for lorundrastat is the larger launch HTN trial, which we continue to anticipate initiation in the second half of 2023. This randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled three-on-trial is planned to have a similar design to the successful target HTN trial, enrolling subjects who will remain on their previously prescribed background regimen of two to five antihypertensives. Up to approximately 1,000 adult subjects will be enrolled in this trial. Subjects will be randomized 1 to 2 to 1 to either placebo, once daily 50 milligrams of lorundrastat, or once daily 50 milligrams of lorundrastat, but with the option to titrate in a manner similar to the advanced HTN trial. The primary endpoint for this trial will be change in systolic blood pressure as measured by automated office blood pressure, which was the same primary endpoint as in the target HTN trial. We believe this endpoint reflects the real-world measurement that will be most relevant to the primary care provider this trial targets. AOBP was the primary outcome measure in target HTN and performed similarly to ABPM, Given the objective of this trial is confirmation of the target HTN results, we feel this is the appropriate primary endpoint. In addition, subjects from each of our trials will be offered the opportunity to roll over into the ongoing open-label extension trial. As John mentioned earlier, we recently finalized the protocol for the two-part phase two trial of lorundrastat in hypertensive subjects with stage 2 to 3B chronic kidney disease. As you may recall, on our previous call, we were considering including patients with and without hypertension. However, after discussion with our chronic kidney disease advisors, assessment of the unmet market need and the hemodynamic profile of lorundrastat, we felt the inclusion of CKD subjects with systolic blood pressure of 135 millimeters of mercury or greater provides the greatest insight and value. Part A of the trial will be a proof-of-concept trial with the primary outcome measure being change in systolic blood pressure relative to placebo, and the key secondary endpoint will be change in albuminuria, which is a surrogate endpoint that supports long-term benefit in CKD. Part A is a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial that will consist of two treatment periods. We plan on enrolling subjects with stage 2 to 3A chronic kidney disease and albuminuria despite treatment with an ACE inhibitor or an angiotensin receptor blocker. Subjects will receive either once daily combination treatment with lorundrastat plus 10 milligrams of defaglifloxacin or placebo for eight weeks. After a four-week washout period, there will be a second eight-week treatment period during which subjects in the active arm will receive placebo, and the subjects in the placebo arm from the first eight-week period will cross over to receive lorundrastat alone. We will also be utilizing 25 milligrams once daily of lorundrastat in this cohort based on our continued assessment of the target HTN data and the specific needs of this population. And as a reminder, we saw good activity flurundrastat with a total daily dose of 25 milligrams in the target HTN trial. So we're confident in this adjustment to the dosing. Part B of the trial will characterize the safety profile of flurundrastat in a more renally compromised population. This second part of the trial is an open-label single-arm dose escalation trial that will enroll approximately 20 subjects with stage 3B CKD with hypertension, despite treatment with an ACE inhibitor or an ARB. Subjects will receive four weeks of treatment, once daily, 12.5 milligrams of lorundrastat, followed by an increase in dose to 25 milligrams of lorundrastat for another four weeks. Please note that the final trial dose in Part B is updated from the previously proposed design, as subjects will now receive 12.5 milligrams and 25 milligrams once daily doses of lorandrastat instead of the 25 and 50 milligram doses. This decision is also in line with feedback from KOLs, the data from the target HTN trial, and with consideration for safety as the subjects in Part B will have even more severe chronic kidney disease. We're really pleased with the progress made in the strengthening of this new approach to treating hypertension and associated aldosterone-mediated complications like chronic kidney disease and heart failure. We look forward to keeping you appraised of the status of the La Runderstadt Development Program. I'll now turn the call over to Adam, who will provide a financial review for the third quarter of 2023. Adam? Thank you, Dave.
spk06: Good afternoon, everyone. Today, I will discuss select portions of our third quarter 2023 financial results. Additional details can be found in our Form 10-Q, which will be filed to the SEC later today. We ended the third quarter with cash, cash equivalents, and investments of $265.9 million compared to $110.1 million as of December 31st, 2022. We believe that our cash, cash equivalents, and investments as of September 30th, 2023 will be sufficient to allow us to fund our planned clinical trials as well as support corporate operations through mid-2025. R&D expenses were $22.5 million for the quarter ended September 30th, 2023, compared to $6.1 million for the quarter ended September 30th, 2022. The increase in R&D expenses was primarily due to increases of $12.4 million in preclinical and clinical costs driven by the initiation of the La Ronda staff pivotal program in 2023, $2.3 million in clinical supply, manufacturing, and regulatory costs, and $1.7 million in higher compensation expenses as a result of additions to headcount. G&A expenses were $3.8 million for the quarter ended September 30, 2023, compared to $1.4 million for the quarter ended September 30, 2022. The increase in G&A expenses was primarily due to $1.2 million in higher professional fees associated with operating as a public company, $0.8 million in higher compensation expense as a result of additions to headcount, $0.3 million in higher insurance expense associated with new director and officer insurance policies, and $0.1 million in higher other administrative expenses. Total other income was $3.5 million for the quarter ended September 30, 2023, compared to $0.7 million for the quarter ended September 30, 2022, which was primarily attributable to increased interest earned on the company's investments in money market funds and U.S. treasuries. Net loss was $22.8 million for the quarter ended September 30, 2023, compared to $6.7 million for the quarter ended September 30, 2022. The increase was primarily attributable to the factors described earlier.
spk10: With that, I'll ask the operator to open up the call for questions. Operator?
spk12: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Should you have a question, please press the star followed by the one on your touch-tone phone. You will hear a three-tone prompt acknowledging your request. Questions will be taken in the order received. Should you wish to cancel your request, please press the star followed by the two. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any keys. Your first question is from Michael DeFiori from Evercore ISI. Please ask your question.
spk08: Hi, guys. Thanks so much for taking my questions and congrats on all the progress. A few from me. On the advanced hypertension study, just curious how many patients were already past the 12-week endpoint and had not undergone treatment withdrawal and would therefore need to be censored? And I have two follow-ups.
spk04: Yeah. Mike, this is John. Appreciate the question. You know, we haven't disclosed the number of subjects enrolled or at different points, so that's just something we haven't addressed at this point in time.
spk08: Okay. Fair enough. So with regards to your Phase II CKD trial, I think on the last call you said that SGLT2s alone reduce proteinuria by 30% to 40% over 12 weeks and that the potential bogey for the combination regimen would be around a 50% plus reduction. which AstraZeneca's Zenith trial of Zybotentan plus Dipagliflozin met at this past weekend, ASN conference this past weekend. I think the reduction was around 52.5. So based on your market research and conversations with KOLs, like what's the willingness or appetite amongst cardiologists to use an effective anti-cancer treatment in this setting over an aldosterone synthase inhibitor such as lorundrastat?
spk04: Yeah, Mike, I appreciate the question. I think the 50% figure, you know, we've talked about before. I think that's kind of what we have in mind. Obviously, ASN this weekend, there was a lot of interesting data for both endothelial receptor agonists as well as ASIs from Beringer Ingelheim. I don't know that we've gotten a lot of color from physicians on their interest in or not in using something like Zybotintan. You know, it was an interesting safety profile with that. You know, from our standpoint, we think the BI data was confirming. I would say we anticipated seeing what BI reported with an ASI on top of an SGLT2 inhibitor. It's what has informed our thinking. I think the main takeaway for us, Mike, as we've been talking to KO Wells, is the need to have more than just, say, one benefit. So in other words, rather than just have a benefit on TKD, having a new innovation that can provide benefit on hypertension while also providing benefit on proteinuria. That's where our focus has really been drilling in on the last several months as we've spoken with KOLs, as we've done our market research. And that's where we think La Runderset really has a unique profile and a unique opportunity to provide benefit for those patients that have progressive kidney disease, but also have concomitant hypertension. And as we've spoken about in the past, there's pretty significant overlap between those two. And so that's why we've made the adjustment we did in our trial, because we think that's what the market really needs is really a full complement benefit in cardiorenal disorders.
spk08: That's very helpful. And you actually preempted my question on Boehringer-Ingelheim. I think that trial was 14 weeks long in combination with empagliflozin, which only showed about a 40% improvement in UACR. To the extent that you can, could you provide any color on if there's any fundamental potency differences between your drug and that drug, which may explain why this 50% bogey wasn't met?
spk04: Yeah, a couple of thoughts on that, Mike. The interesting thing is if you dig into that data, empagliflozin actually performed a little bit less than you would typically think, right? You made the comment about 25% to 30%. And when you look at that study, I think empagliftozone had about an 11% reduction in UACR. And so the aldosterone synthase inhibitor, I think, as a delta performed probably equivalent to what was seen, if not maybe a bit better than zybotintan. The thing that was interesting to note from our standpoint was that the presence of adrenal insufficiency, which could be related to the selectivity of that aldosterone synthase inhibitor. As you may recall, even at the highest doses in the target HTN study, when we did ACTH testing, we saw no evidence of adrenal insufficiency, even at the highest dose. So that was an interesting finding. I think comparing across trials can be somewhat challenging. I think the innovations with both are informative as we move into further development. I know for us, it was kind of a final piece of the puzzle with our thinking of explore CKD to see all of this data. But we're very excited to progress into that study. And again, we think the dual benefit of reduction in systolic BP as well as proteinuria could be a really interesting component of the Lerunder stat story.
spk11: Super helpful, John. Thanks for all the color. Appreciate it. Thank you.
spk12: Your next question is from Greg Harrison from Bank of America. Please ask your question.
spk03: Hi, this is Mary Kate. I'm for Greg. Thanks for taking our question. And also, with your recent late-breaking ASM presentation and anticipated presentation at AHA, I guess, how do these analyses here highlight the potential target market for lorandustrat if approved in terms of target population and anticipated impact? Thank you.
spk11: Well, this is Dave. Thanks for the question.
spk07: Our theory from the beginning was that the really, the highest unmet need was actually people with visceral obesity that are more and more populating what we used to call a hyperaldosteronism. It's really a complication of obesity. And so we were gratified in our target trial to see that was true in the categorical evaluation we did, above and below 30 BMI. In the The paper that we recently presented, the poster we presented, we did a continuous analysis looking from a BMI of 20 up to 40. And what we saw was there was a linear relationship. The higher the BMI, the greater the response. And where it really became prominent in the regression line was at a BMI of 30, just like the categorical. But what it also showed was there are people who are overweight but not obese who are also good responders. And when we pared it down, what we found was that about a third of the subjects in the trial had exceptional responses, 30 or more millimeters of mercury median response, really truly exceptional responders. Right now, we know that obesity is one of the key factors driving that. To a lesser extent, it's exposure when you take the drug. Hence, that's why we're moving the dose up to 50, up to 100 in people who don't achieve goal. And we're using other techniques, including artificial intelligence now to identify other factors. And ultimately, our plan is to deliver a toolkit to practitioners
spk11: to figure out who these people are. Great. Thank you so much. Thanks very much.
spk12: Thank you. Your next question is from Jack Padovano from Stifel. Please ask your question.
spk09: Hi. This is Jack on for Annabelle. Thanks for taking our questions. So now that LaRonda Stratt has had data published and presented at multiple medical meetings, how is this exposure kind of help with the interest level for the ASI class overall? And do you think that cardiologists and primary care providers are more aware of the importance of targeting aldosterone now than they were before?
spk04: Yeah, Jack, this is John. I appreciate your question. I think we're absolutely seeing a An increase in awareness. I think there's this growing groundswell of interest and focus on aldosterone as really a driver of cardiorenal disorders, whether it's hypertension, whether it's CKD, whether it's heart failure. We're seeing that grow more and more in awareness and appreciation. I think that's certainly tied to some of the really compelling data that's been put out. You know, some of it was a bit mixed earlier with Paxtrostat. I think with our data, that's been very robust in showing a targeted effort and even some of the recent data by BI. So I think there's definitely... an increase in interest, and it's across the spectrum. It's cardiologists, it's endocrinologists, certainly, nephrologists and primary care. And I think that will just continue to grow as we continue to see more and more data published from subsequent studies from this exciting new class of therapy.
spk09: Great. And then a follow-up, if I may, and this may be a longer-term shift in the market, But how do you see GLP-1s changing the opportunity for you, given their impact on obesity and on cardiovascular factors, as they've been shown to reduce blood pressure themselves by a not insignificant amount?
spk04: Yeah, I think it's a really interesting point you make. As we think about the market writ large, and maybe on that diabetes, hyperglycemic side, SGLT2 inhibitors, GLP-1, GLP-1 combo with GIPs, they're obviously having a significant benefit as it relates to cardiorenal. I would say the blood pressure responses, while not insignificant or likely not as robust, is what we have seen in the past with lorundrastat and what we're after in a targeted approach. And again, that's where if you track some of the The recent conferences, Jack, there's this growing focus not just on hypertension alone, not just on CKD alone, not just on heart failure, but on this cardiorenal metabolic syndrome and the fact that there's an interplay across all of these conditions. And frankly, we think aldosterone is probably one of the key contributors to that broader syndrome. And having a drug that can have an effect across those conditions is we think it's going to be a true differentiating factor. And the GLP-1s may be a part of that, but we certainly believe that ASIs are beginning to show a profile that's very robust at this stage on blood pressure reduction and potentially on proteinuria, and we'll see beyond that.
spk10: Great. Thank you.
spk11: Of course. Thank you.
spk12: Your next question is from Seamus Fernandez from Guggenheim Securities. Please ask your question.
spk01: Hi, this is Colleen. I'm for Seamus. Thanks for taking our question. You mentioned some changes to the advanced HTN protocol amendments to increase randomization rates. Could you provide a little more color there, and if these are considerations you'll be taking forward to launch HTN Trial Design 2? And then, secondly, we've touched on some of the competitor CKD readouts. But are there any learnings from these trials in terms of trial design or patient population that you'll be leveraging as you take her and just shot forward there? Thanks.
spk04: Yeah, let me maybe take the 1st, 1 on the learnings and I'll turn it over to Dave on the changes of advance and implications to launch the. The CKD, I think as I alluded to in one of the prior questions, what we saw with the BI data was frankly somewhat anticipated. We know that aldosterone plays a role again in multiple conditions, CKD being one of them. I think the duration of our study that we have planned fits within the profile that we saw within the BI data as far as time to response. I think the additivity with an SGLT2 inhibitor was anticipated. That's why we built it within our program. So I would say largely what we saw presented this past week at ASN was affirming to the design considerations we put into Explore CKD. Let me have Dave address your question about advance and launch.
spk07: Hi, Colleen. So good question. When we went into design and execution on the advanced trial, this was a trial that was a design that had only seldom been used, but always acknowledged as the absolute ideal design. If what you want at the end is to be able to definitively say you have a treatment for resistant hypertension and hard to control hypertension. And so we were committed to it and remain committed to it. Now we understood though that whatever estimations we made on enrollment were only going to be just that an estimation and so we always plan to be evaluating that in real time and have the agility to put a protocol amendment in place once we felt like there was justification and that's really what happened here let me give you two examples so one sort of unanticipated thing was we put people on a very rigorous regimen and it includes a diuretic called indapamide now indapamide is somewhat like chlorthalidone. It's very potent. It's not often used, even though it's admittedly, or I guess the consensus is it's probably the most powerful one. And what we found was that so many people were actually on hydrochlorothiazide, and they didn't want to stop it, and neither did their doctors, that that was the sole reason why they didn't want to be screened and entered in the trial. And so one of the learnings we had was that if we just allow people to use the maximum tolerated dose of hydrochlorothiazide, we could fairly significantly increase the number of people who are willing to be screened to go in the trial. So that's one change we made, easy to understand, simple, and it should have a pretty positive effect. Now, if you look at the next gate here, if you will, we put everybody on this very powerful regimen, and quite a few people, even though they were on what looked like an okay regimen, their hypertension comes under control with these easily prescribed medications. Now, the other thing we do, by the way, is we do real-time adherence monitoring. So everybody has to take their drug, or we know it, in real time. Between adherence and a better regimen, we lose a lot of people because they become under control. But what we noticed was if they start out with a blood pressure historically of over 145 millimeters of mercury systolic, then they had a much higher prevalence of still having hypertension and getting randomized into the trial. So that's the second thing we've done, which is to provide a guidance to our sites to start screening, prescreening the records for people whose blood pressures are on the higher side and only put them into the screening and stabilization standard regimen protocol. Those are just two examples. There are others, but those are pretty easy to understand, and we expect that to have a fairly strong effect on increasing our screening and randomization rate. Oh, yeah, you wanted to know about launch. I forgot, let me answer your last question, Colleen, I'm sorry, real quickly. The launch trial is designed to be a validation, essentially a confirmatory trial for target HTN. So we're trying to keep it as close to target HTN as possible. We have a really good database there on this, the inclusion-exclusion criteria screening and randomization probabilities there. So we're using a few of the learnings, but we don't expect that trial to have the same spectrum of challenges that we're seeing in treating and handling now in the advanced trial.
spk11: Thank you.
spk12: Your next question is from Mohit Bansal from Wells Fargo. Please ask your question.
spk02: Hi, this is Serena on for Mohit. Thanks for taking our question. Wanted to ask about CKD and how you're thinking about whether lorangistide would be best combined with diuretics to maximize reduction of pressure in the kidneys or SGLT2, which would confer kidney benefits beyond the impact on blood pressure?
spk07: Oh, this is Dave again. Thanks for that question. It's complicated, right? What drugs should they be on? But the standard of care right now is for everybody to be on an ACE or an ARB and a diuretic, often a thiazide, but sometimes a loop diuretic. So those things are sort of a given. They're going to be used. And so our treatment would be add-on to that. Right now, SGLT2s are approved and known to be effective but they're pretty expensive and access is still kind of limited. So the percentage of people on an SGLT2 is somewhat less. But we anticipate by the time we launch, they'll be much more prevalent and also in standard of care. So the trial we're running will have people either on all three of those or just on the are ASARB and diuretic. So we'll be able to answer your question with data at that point, and we're looking forward to seeing those data at that point. One thing I will mention, though, is the SGLT2s lower your serum potassium, and so there is an advantage to that combination because you have even less of a hyperkalemia risk, although we haven't really seen that as a problem yet with lorundrastat.
spk11: Was there a second part to your question? No? No, thank you so much. You're welcome. Thanks, Serena.
spk12: Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I will now hand the call back to John Congleton for the closing remarks.
spk04: Thank you, operator. And thank you to everyone for joining us today. We're very excited about the progress we've made thus far in 2023 and advancing our clinical programs, and we remain enthusiastic about the upcoming milestones for the rest of the year and into 2024. We look forward to updating you as our pivotal program for Lurenderstadt continues to advance.
spk10: With that, we'll close the call. Thank you.
spk12: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, the conference has now ended. Thank you all for joining. You may all disconnect.
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