10/30/2024

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Operator
Operator

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Merit Medical Q3 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you'll need to press star 11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your speaker for today, Fred Lampoppers. Please go ahead.

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Fred Lampoppers
CEO

Thank you, operator, and welcome, everyone.

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Fred Lampoppers
CEO

I am joined on the call today by Rahul Parra, our Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer, Joe Wright, our President, and Brian Lloyd, our Chief Legal Officer and Corporate Secretary. Brian, would you mind taking us through the safe harbor statements, please?

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Brian Lloyd
Chief Legal Officer and Corporate Secretary

Thank you, Fred. I would like to remind everyone that this presentation contains forward-looking statements that receive safe harbor protection under federal securities laws. Although we believe these forward-looking statements are based upon reasonable assumptions, they are subject to risks and uncertainties. The realization of any of these risks or uncertainties, as well as extraordinary events or transactions impacting our company, could cause actual results to differ materially from the expectations and projections expressed or implied by our forward-looking statements. In addition, any forward-looking statements represent our views only as of today, October 30, 2024, and should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any other date. We specifically disclaim any obligation to update such statements except as required by applicable law. Please refer to the sections entitled Cautionary Statement regarding forward-looking statements in today's press release and presentation for important information regarding such statements. For discussion of factors which could cause actual results to differ from these forward-looking statements, please also refer to our most recent with the SEC, which are available on our website. Our financial statements were prepared in accordance with accounting principles which are generally accepted in the United States. However, we believe certain non-GAAP financial measures provide investors with useful information regarding the underlying business trends and performance of our ongoing operations and can be useful for period-over-period comparisons of such operations. This presentation also contains certain non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable U.S. GAAP measures is included in today's press release and presentation furnished to the SEC under Form 8-K. please refer to the sections of our press release and presentation entitled Non-GAAP Financial Measures for important information regarding non-GAAP financial measures discussed on this call. Readers should consider non-GAAP financial measures in addition to, not as a substitute for, financial reporting measures prepared in accordance with GAAP. Please note that these calculations may not be comparable with similarly titled measures of other companies. Both today's press release and our presentation are available on the investors page of our website. I will now turn the call back to Fred.

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Fred Lampoppers
CEO

Thank you, Brian. And let me start with a brief agenda of what we will cover during our proposed prepared remarks. I will start with an overview of our third quarter financial results and a discussion of the strategic acquisition we announced on September 17th. After my opening remarks, Joe Wright will provide an update on the notable progress we have achieved in recent months on our U.S. Rhapsody program, as well as a summary of our revenue results for the third quarter. Then, Raul will provide a more in-depth review of our quarterly financial results and our financial guidance for 2024, which we updated today in the press release. Then we will open the call for your questions. Now, beginning with a review of our third quarter results, we reported total revenue of $339.8 million, up 7.8% year-over-year on a GAAP basis, and up 7.9% year-over-year on a constant currency basis. The constant currency revenue growth we delivered in the third quarter modestly exceeded the high end of the range of growth expectations that we outlined on our quarter two call. Specifically, we expected constant currency revenue growth for the third quarter in the range of 6.4 to 7.8 year-over-year. Importantly, the 7.9 constant currency revenue growth in the third quarter was driven by strong organic growth and contributions from acquired products, both of which came in at the high end of our growth expectations. With respect to our profitability performance in the third quarter, we delivered financial results that exceeded our expectations. We leveraged the solid revenue results to deliver non-GAAP operating profit growth of 19% and a non-GAAP operating margin of 19.2% of sales, up approximately 175 basis points year over year. We also delivered 21% growth in our non-GAAP EPS, which exceeded the high end of our expectations as well. Perhaps most notably, we generated $38 million of free cash flow in the quarter and have generated more than $120 million of free cash flow over the first nine months of 2024, representing an increase of 116% year-over-year. We believe our third quarter results reflect continued strong momentum in the business and we remain confident in our team's ability to deliver the updated financial guidance for 2024 that Raul will review later on the call. We are focused on delivering continued strong execution, solid constant currency growth, improving profitability, and strong free cash flow in 2024 as well as continued progress in our continued growth initiatives program and related financial targets for the three-year period ending December 31, 2026. Now, before turning the time over to Joe, I would like to take a few minutes to discuss the important acquisition we announced on September 17th. We announced the signing of a definitive asset agreement to purchase Cook Medical's lead management portfolio for a total cash consideration of approximately $210 million and the assumption of certain liabilities. We believe this acquisition represents multiple strategic and financial positives, and importantly, this acquisition is consistent with and will not distract us from our continued growth initiatives. This proposed transaction represents another example of Merit's selectivity investing to expand our product portfolio in key strategic markets that leverage our existing commercial footprint. Strategically, we believe the proposed acquisition will position Merit to offer clinicians an increasingly comprehensive set of solutions to support cardiac intervention patients from diagnosis to therapy and intervention to post-procedure care. Cook Medical's lead management business has many years of operating history and provides a comprehensive end-to-end product portfolio of medical devices and accessories used in the lead management procedures for patients who need a pacemaker or an implantable cardioverter defibrillator, an ICD, lead removed or replaced. The assets we propose to acquire from Cook Cook include a full portfolio of tools for complete case support, including hand-triggered rotating extraction devices, sheets and snares for manual extraction, and lead control tools for grasping and removing leads. We believe these assets generated approximately $37 million of revenue over the 12-month period ended December 31, 2023, with sales to customers in the U.S., EMEA, APAC, and rest of the world, representing approximately 41%, 42%, 11%, and 6% respectively. We believe this transaction will strengthen our fast-growing high-margin electrophysiology and cardiac rhythm management, or CRM, business with the addition of differentiated products and an established commercial infrastructure. We believe the transaction will enhance our position in the cardiac intervention market, particularly in Europe, which is strategically attractive and has our commercial team very excited. We estimate this transaction represents an annual addressable opportunity of more than $900 million in the US, EMEA, and APAC regions. Specifically, we anticipate that beginning in fiscal year 2025, the addition of Cook's lead management business will position Merritt to represent more than $100 million in combined annualized electrophysiology and CRM revenue serving the global cardiac intervention market. In addition to the strong strategic rationale, we believe the financial profile of the proposed acquisition is extremely compelling. Raul will share some additional color on the favorable financial profile of the acquisition later on in the call. In the interim, I'll share that we expect sales contributions from the acquisition post-closing in the range of $4 to $6 million over the balance of 2024, and we expect this acquisition to add approximately $40 million of revenue on an annualized basis beginning in fiscal year 2025. Now, with that said, let me turn the time over to Joe for an update on our U.S. Rhapsody Program. and a review of our third quarter revenue performance. Joe?

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Joe Wright
President

Thank you, Fred. I share Fred's sentiments as it relates to the notable progress we have made on our U.S. Rhapsody Program in recent months. First, with respect to our progress in the areas of clinical validation and raising awareness of the compelling safety and efficacy profile of rhapsody among clinicians. On September 16th, we announced positive six-month findings from the randomized arteriovenous, or ab-fissile arm of our Rhapsody WAVE pivotal trial. The data were shown at the Cardiovascular and Interventional Radiological Society of Europe, or CIRSE, annual congress in Lisbon, Portugal. Dr. Mahmoud Razavi, the co-principal investigator of the WAVE trial, presented the extremely compelling results. Specifically, the primary efficacy endpoint was target lesion primary patency. which represents the percentage of patients that did not need a clinical revascularization or have thrombosis. And patients treated with RAPC was 89.8%. This was 27 percentage points higher than patients treated with the control percutaneous transluminal angioplasty, or PTA, which is the current standard of care. With respect to the primary safety endpoint in the pivotal study, there were fewer adverse events for patients treated with RASIDI. However, the difference in the proportion of patients who experienced an adverse event was not statistically significant between the two cohorts. Dr. Rosavi was quoted saying, the superiority of the six-month efficacy data is compelling and provides clinicians the chance to evaluate how RASIDI can help us prolong the vascular access of our patients. Rhapsody should be the new standard of care for these patients. We were also pleased at the positive response and feedback from participants of the 2024 Controversies in Dialysis Access or CETA meeting in Washington, D.C. on October 5th, including positive commentary related to our WAVE trial for many participants at the meeting. We expect further increases in awareness of Rhapsody's safety and efficacy among clinicians including more clinical data results, and look forward to Rhapsody being featured in scientific sessions at the BEAP meeting on November 23rd in New York City. Second, we have made considerable progress in our U.S. regulatory and reimbursement strategies and in developing our post-approval commercial strategy for Rhapsody. As discussed on our last earnings call, We completed the clinical study report and filed the final module with the FDA for premarket approval, or PMA, by the end of the second quarter of 2024, as expected. We are ready and willing to engage with FDA during their review as they review our PMA application for this innovative technology. Thoracity, cell and permeable endoprosthesis is built to combat the challenges dialysis patients can often experience due to stenosis and occlusions in the dialysis output circuit. We believe this technology can extend long-term vessel patency rates and reduce the complications associated with existing treatment options on the market today, including the need for repeated interventions, frequent trips to the hospital, and inadequate dialysis treatments. Our renal therapies group has been working through intensive rapidity training covering a range of important areas including technical story, anatomy and physiology, and deployment technique. Clinical data training and live hands-on training are scheduled to increase in the coming months. We are focused on ensuring we are ready to enter the U.S. market following PMA approval. The team has completed a thorough evaluation of the U.S. market opportunity and is developing a comprehensive U.S. commercial strategy. Importantly, our plans for U.S. commercialization post-PMA approval are part of a broader commercial strategy for our renal therapies group. We have an experienced, dedicated sales and customer support team offering a strong portfolio of dialysis products that address the entire end-stage renal disease continuum of care, including our HeroGraph our surfacer inside-out access catheter system, and our portfolio of acute, chronic, and peritoneal dialysis catheters. We are excited to add Rhapsody to this offering following PMA approval. The team is also focused on developing and executing our reimbursement strategy for Rhapsody. Earlier this month, we submitted our application requesting a new technology APC assignment for Medicare's acute inpatient prospective payment system. The new technology add-on payment, or NTAP designation, enables new medical service or technology meeting certain eligibility criteria to receive additional reimbursement payment for a period up to three years. We believe that Rhapsody meets the eligibility criteria, particularly as it relates to the requirement that the technology represents an advance that substantially improves relative to technologies previously available to treatment of Medicare beneficiaries. The application is currently under review, and we look forward to participating in the new technology town hall meeting on December 11, 2024, which is the annual meeting held to provide a mechanism for public input on the eligibility criteria for NSAP applications before final decisions are made. We are targeting submission of an application for transitional pass-through payment under the Medicare Hospital Outpatient Prospective Payment System, or OPPS. The transitional pass-through payment, or TPT, program is intended to facilitate access for Medicare beneficiaries to the advantages of new and innovative devices by allowing for adequate payment for these new devices while the requisite cost data is collected. We believe Rhapsody meets the substantial clinical improvement threshold for new category eligibility for a pass-through payment. Post-PMA approval, if awarded pass-through status, Rhapsody would be eligible for this additional payment as early as Q3 2025 and would continue for at least two years thereafter. It is fair to say that we have made significant progress in our Rhapsody program this year, and I applaud our team's efforts to ensure we are prepared and well-positioned to introduce Rhapsody to the U.S. market following PMA approval. For avoidance of doubt, we intend to continue providing updates as we achieve material milestones in our Rhapsody program going forward. We also intend to host a Rhapsody-specific virtual investor event in advance of our U.S. commercial introductions. Details for this event will be shared once we secure PMA approval. I will now provide a detailed review of our revenue results in the third quarter, beginning with the sales performance in each of our primary reportable product categories. Note, unless otherwise stated, all growth rates are approximated and present on both a year-over-year and constant currency base. Third quarter total revenue growth was driven by 6% growth in our cardiovascular segment and 86% growth in our endoscopy segment, both of which modestly exceeded the high end of the expectations we outlined on our second quarter call. Our total revenue results included approximately 6.8 million of revenue from our acquisition of Endogastric Solutions, Inc. Excluding sales of acquired products, our total revenue growth in the third quarter was 5.7%, and our endoscopy segment revenue growth was 11.5% on an organic constant currency basis. Sales of our peripheral intervention, or PI products, increased 7.7%, representing nearly 60% of total cardiovascular segment growth in the period. Growth in the PI product category was driven by sales of our radar localization products, which increased 17%, and sales of our drainage products, which increased 10%. Together, they represented more than half of total PI sales growth in Q3. Sales of our custom procedural solutions, or CPS products, increased 4%, which was slightly better than the low single-digit increase we expected in Q3. Growth was driven by strong sales of critical care products offset partially by more modest sales of kits and trays, as expected, due to the ongoing skew rationalization efforts discussed on prior calls. Cardiac intervention product sales increased 2%, slightly above the high end of our growth expectations, driven primarily by strong sales of EPCRM products and, to a lesser extent, growth in sales of fluid management products. Sales of our OEM products increased 8.5% in Q3 and were the only area of our cardiovascular segment that came in softer than our growth expectations heading into the quarter. Notably, demand trends from customers in the U.S. improved from Q2 as expected. Product sales to OEM customers outside the U.S., however, were significantly lower than expected in Q3. We had a discrete logistics-related issue that impacted our Q3 OEM results, but the softer-than-expected product sales to OEM customers outside the U.S. is primarily related to navigating a more challenging raw material and supply chain environment. Our updated revenue guidance for 2024 reflects the softer-than-expected OEM sales in Q3 and modestly lower OEM sales expectations in Q4 as compared to what our prior guidance range assumed. Demand remains strong, but as a result of supply chain challenges, we now expect OEM sales growth of approximately 7% in 2024 compared to 10% previously expected. Turning to a brief summary of our sales performance on a geographic basis. Our third quarter sales in the U.S. increased 10% on a constant currency basis and 7% on an organic constant currency basis. We were pleased to see improving trends in our U.S. business as we outlined on our second quarter call. We continue to expect to deliver approximately 6% organic growth in the U.S. at the midpoint of our 2024 guidance range. Note this growth assumption contemplates our updated expectations for OEM growth in the second half of 2024 offset by stronger organic growth in the non-OEM portions of our business which, by way of reminder, are expected to represent approximately 87% of our total organic constant currency revenue in 2024. International sales increased 4.5% year-over-year and increased 4.4% on an organic constant currency basis, exceeding the low end of our growth expectations. Sales results in rest of world and APAC exceeded the high end of our expectations, while sales in the EMEA region were softer than expected, largely related to the aforementioned OEM challenges in the quarter. With respect to China specifically, sales decreased 5.1%, modestly better than what our guidance had assumed. We continue to see quarter-to-quarter variability in growth trends related to volume-based purchasing tenders as expected. By way of reminder, while we are not providing country-specific growth assumptions in our guidance messaging, the midpoint of our 2024 constant currency growth guidance range now assumes our total international sales will increase 4.8% year-over-year, driven by 2% growth in APAC, 6% growth in EMEA, and 15% growth in the rest of world regions, compared to zero, seven, and 11%, respectively, assumed in our prior guidance range. The improving growth trends in APAC assumed in our updated guidance is driven by better than expected results in China over the first nine months of 2024, driven primarily by better than expected sales of units, which are now expected to modestly offset continued pricing headwinds related to volume-based purchasing. With that, let me turn the call over to Raul, who will take you through a detailed review of our third quarter financial results, balance sheet, and financial condition at September 30th.

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Rahul Parra
Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Thank you, Joe. Beginning with a review of our P&L performance, for the avoidance of doubt, unless otherwise noted, my commentary will focus on the company's non-GAAP results during the third quarter of fiscal year 2024, and all growth rates are approximated and presented on a year-over-year basis. We have included reconciliations from our GAAP reporting results to the related non-GAAP item in our press release and presentation available on our website. Gross profit increased approximately 10% in the third quarter. Our gross margin was 50.9% of 108 basis points. The increase in gross margin year over year was driven by pricing uplift, favorable product and geographic revenue mix, and improvement in freight and distribution costs, offset partially by manufacturing variances compared to the prior year period. Operating expenses increased 6% from the third quarter of 2023. The increase in operating expenses was driven by a 5% increase in SG&A expense and an 8% increase in R&D expense compared to the prior year period. Total operating income in the third quarter increased $10.2 million or 19% from the third quarter of 2023 to $65.1 million. Our operating margin was 19.2% compared to 17.4% in the prior year period. The 175 basis point increase in operating margin was driven by a 108 basis point increase in our non-GAAP gross margin and by a 67 basis point decrease in our non-GAAP OPEX margin compared to the prior year period. Third quarter other expense net was a benefit of $0.9 million compared to expense of $4.5 million last year. The change in other expense net was driven by an increase in interest income associated with our higher cash balances. partially offset by an increase in net interest expense associated with increased borrowings. Third quarter net income was $51.2 million, or $0.86 per share, compared to $41.4 million, or $0.71 per share, in the prior year period. We are pleased with our profitability performance in the third quarter, where we leveraged stronger than expected revenue results to drive significant expansion in operating margins and strong growth in non-GAAP diluted earnings per share. both of which exceeded the high end of our expectations. Note, our third quarter non-GAAP EPS results included incremental dilution related to our convertible debt that represented approximately one cent to Q3 EPS versus what our guidance had assumed. Turning to a review of our balance sheet and financial condition. As of September 30th, 2024, we had cash and cash equivalents of $523.1 million, total debt obligations of $770.5 million, and available borrowing capacity of approximately $697 million, compared to cash and cash equivalents of $587 million, total debt obligations of $846.6 million, and available borrowing capacity of approximately $626 million as of December 31st, 2023. Our net leverage ratio as of September 30th was 2.08 times on an adjusted basis. We generated $38 million of free cash flow in the third quarter and have generated more than $120 million of free cash flow over the first nine months of 2024, up 116%. The improvement in free cash flow generation is a result of growth in net income and significant improvement in cash used in working capital compared to the first nine months of 2023. We now expect to generate approximately $150 million of free cash flow in 2024 compared to our prior guidance of $130 million, and importantly, we continue to believe our CGI program will generate more than 400 million of free cash flow in a three-year period ending December 31st, 2026. For reference, we have included a table in our earnings press release which details each of our updated formal financial guidance items and how those ranges compared to the prior ranges as of September 17th, 2024 when we updated our guidance to reflect the projected impact of our proposed acquisition of lead management assets from Cook Medical. By way of a reminder, our updated financial guidance assumes the Cook Medical transaction closes on November 1st, 2024. Our updated guidance ranges now assume the following. Gap net revenue growth of 6.9% to 7.6%. Net revenue growth of approximately 5% to 6% in our cardiovascular segment and net revenue growth of approximately 49% to 52% in our endoscopy segment and a headwind from changes in foreign currency exchange rates of approximately 7 million or approximately 60 basis points in growth year over year. Excluding the impact of changes in foreign currency exchange rates, we expect total net revenue growth on a constant currency basis in the range of 7.4% to 8.1% in 2024. The increase in constant currency growth expectations at the low end of the guidance range reflects the flow-through of the better-than-expected revenue results in Q3, $2 million lower FX headwind to gap revenue, and the contributions from our acquisition of assets from Cook Medical from the expected closing date of November 1st to December 31st, offset partially by our revised expectations for our OEM business in the fourth quarter. All other assumptions supporting our Q4 growth expectations remain unchanged versus what our prior guidance had assumed. Finally, our total net revenue guidance for the fiscal year 2024 now assumes inorganic revenue contributions from the acquisitions announced on June 8, 2023, July 1, 2024, and September 17, 2024, in the range of $29.5 to $32.5 million in the aggregate. For avoidance of doubt, this aggregate range consists of approximately $11.6 million of inorganic revenue related to our acquisition of assets from AngioDynamics Inc. in Q1 and Q2, plus the contributions from our acquisition of assets from Endogastric Solutions in Q3 and Q4 in the range of approximately $14 million to $50 million, plus the contributions from our acquisition of assets from Cook Medical post-closing in the range of approximately $4 million to $6 million. Excluding inorganic revenue, our updated guidance reflects total net revenue growth on a constant currency organic basis in the range of approximately 5.1% to 5.5%. With respect to our updated profitability guidance for 2024, we now expect non-GAAP diluted earnings per share in the range of $3.33 to $3.38 represented an increase of 17 to 19%. Note, this updated range reflects the better than expected EPS results in Q3 and includes the expected dilution related to our acquisition of assets from Cook Medical, which, as disclosed on September 17th, is expected to be in the range of one to two cents. As Fred discussed earlier, we believe the Cook Medical acquisition offers a very attractive financial profile. While we believe the proposed acquisition will be modestly dilutive to our full year 2024 non-GAAP profitability given the partial year contribution and the impact of approximately $1.8 million of lower interest income on cash balance as used for the total purchase consideration, we expect the acquisition to be accretive to our non-GAAP gross and operating margins in the first full year post-closing. We expect the acquisition to be accretive to our non-GAAP net income and non-GAAP EPS in the second full year post-closing. For modeling purposes, our updated fiscal year 2024 financial guidance now assumes non-GAAP operating margins in the range of approximately 18.5% to 18.8% of 130 to 160 basis points, non-GAAP interest and other expense net of approximately 0.9 million of income, non-GAAP tax rate of approximately 21.3%, diluted shares outstanding of approximately 59.1 million compared to $58.8 million previously. And we now expect capex of approximately $50 million and free cash flow of at least $150 million. We would also like to provide additional transparency related to our growth and profitability expectations for the fourth quarter of 2024. Specifically, we expect our total revenue to increase in the range of approximately 5.5% to 8.2% on a gap basis, and up approximately 6.1% to 8.8% on a constant currency basis. The midpoint of our fourth quarter constant currency sales growth expectation assumes approximately 12% growth in the US and 2% growth in international markets. Note, our fourth quarter constant currency sales growth expectations include inorganic revenue in the range of $11 million to $14 million. Excluding inorganic contributions, our fourth quarter total revenue is expected to increase in the range of approximately 3% to 4% on an organic constant currency basis. With respect to our profitability expectations for the fourth quarter of 2024, we expect non-GAAP operating margins in the range of approximately 17.8% to 18.8%, and we expect non-GAAP EPS in the range of $0.80 to $0.86. That wraps up our prepared remarks.

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Fred Lampoppers
CEO

Operator, we would now like to open up the line for questions. Thank you.

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Operator
Operator

As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone. We also ask that you please wait for your name and company to be announced before you proceed with your question. One moment while we prepare for the first question. And the first question that we have for the day is coming from John Young of Canaccord. Your line is open.

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John Young
Analyst at Canaccord

Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking our questions tonight and congrats on the quarter. You know, first with the Cook acquisition, I just wanted to ask, you know, a bit of a 2025 question, not sure if you can totally answer it, but just are you expecting a halo effect essentially with, you know, the other products in the CI segment?

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Joe Wright
President

Yes, this is Joe. I think that's exactly the rationale behind the acquisition. We have a number of very good EPCRM-focused products. but not really an anchor portfolio. So I think with this acquisition, it gives us the revenue, the gross margin profile, and allows us to actually build out a EP-focused sales force that can drive not just the Cook acquired product revenue, but also some of the products we have already, whether it be transeptal crossing products or some that we have in our product roadmap.

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Fred Lampoppers
CEO

So yeah. Joe, can I add that just like RTG, we've seen success in aligning and having the focus to get deeper into those specific products, John.

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Rahul Parra
Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

And it'll add about $40 million in annualized revenue starting in fiscal year 2025, John.

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John Young
Analyst at Canaccord

That's all very helpful. And then just a point of clarification on Rhapsody for the add-on payment. Do you also expect MTAP to go live Q3 25 as you got that or is that just TPT? And also, when it comes to pricing the product, will you price the product with NTAP in mind? Thanks again for taking our questions.

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Joe Wright
President

The answer is we have submitted for NTAP. And yes, we will price as if we are going to get that NTAP. But of course, we won't know for several months. As far as the add-on payment, that will be submitted or that application will be submitted after we receive FDA approval.

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John Young
Analyst at Canaccord

Great.

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Operator
Operator

Thanks again. Thank you. One moment for the next question. And our next question will be coming from Jason Bedford of Raymond James. Your line is open.

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Jason Bedford
Analyst at Raymond James

Hi. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions, and congrats on the progress. Maybe just two to keep it moving here. With the WAVE results on Rhapsody, has the data impacted? in Europe at all?

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Joe Wright
President

Yeah, I think it's a little bit too early to say, Jason. Of course, we released the six-month data at the Lisbon conference or the Lisbon Searcy. Thank you, Fred. And that was very well received. Of course, there are a lot of European physicians there, but I think it will take some time for that to really take hold. We have made great progress, though, in in pushing awareness of the product and particularly that excellent data we released.

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Jason Bedford
Analyst at Raymond James

Okay. And then maybe for Raul or others, the 3 to 4% organic growth guide for 4Q, I realize it's a tougher comp, but what's the expected weight on growth to get to that level?

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Rahul Parra
Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, generally I'll start, Jason, by just highlighting kind of, you know, the overall performance of, you know, that we're going to – that we've guided to. I think, you know, for the year it's going to be, you know, a solid execution on the revenue front, you know, operating margin expansion and really strong earnings growth. You know, we called 17% and 19% growth on the EPS side. But, look, I think when we look at our guidance for the fourth quarter, It's really not materially different than what we've been guiding to, you know, since Q3 or even before that. It's right in line with kind of our expectations. Really, the delta that we're kind of, you know, adjusting for is just the OEM expectations. We had, you know, a little bit of supply chain challenge that could impact the fourth quarter, which we've accounted for. Obviously, everybody knows about the Baxter IV impacting procedures. And I think we've tried to account for any disruption that may happen there. But generally speaking, we feel really strong about the year that we're putting together. And then obviously the fourth quarter is going to be, you know, strong too, just from a growth perspective overall and just a earnings perspective. All right. Thank you.

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Operator
Operator

Thank you. One moment for the next question, please. And our next question will be coming from Larry Beagleson of Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

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Larry Beagleson
Analyst at Wells Fargo

Hey, guys. This is for Larry. Thanks for taking the questions here. Maybe just to start off on RAP study, congrats on the results there. The data looked really strong, and I appreciate all the color on the reimbursement pathway. I guess just to ask the question in a more pointed way, is it reasonable to assume Rhapsody will be priced at a significant premium to the competitive sense in order to meet that cost criteria for the add-on payment?

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Joe Wright
President

Yeah, typically that's how it would work. So we'll see as we get closer to launch, and we'll give more detail at an investor day post-approval. But yeah, that's a fair assumption.

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Larry Beagleson
Analyst at Wells Fargo

Okay, great. And then just any additional color on the commercial strategy? You know, how are you positioning the sales force to add Rhapsody to the bag? And are you going to be able to launch the product right away after FDA approval?

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Fred Lampoppers
CEO

So, this is Fred. Look, we are preparing on the clinical side regulatory reimbursement and the commercial side. And we will follow all this up shortly after our approval. We'll have a virtual meeting and go through all these details at that time when all these things play out and come together. And we will share that publicly in a virtual meeting.

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Larry Beagleson
Analyst at Wells Fargo

Got it. Thank you.

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Operator
Operator

Thank you. One moment for the next question, please. And our next question will be coming from Jason Bednar of Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

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Jason Bednar
Analyst at Piper Sandler

Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. Fred, I'll preface this by saying, you know, please don't shoot me for asking this, because I'm going to ask it anyways. You know, you've got the NTAP, the TPT you're pursuing on RAPCity. You sound confident securing each. You know, both maybe could take effect next year, TBD, I guess, on NTAP. But you're launching next year, presumably after approval. I'll take a stab here. You know, how do you want the analyst community thinking about the volume and or revenue opportunity for Rhapsody in 25? You like taking an improvement approach with setting guidance, setting expectations. But I think all of us are trying to feel out, you know, how much this could actually add in 25 or the first full year of launch. You've got a lot of different variables to consider. So how do you want us thinking about that?

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Fred Lampoppers
CEO

You know, first of all, these are all good comments that we're receiving today. We're very excited about the product as we have been. We'll provide more at the appropriate time. We're going to hold steady to the course, as we've said. and we'll be as conservative as always, but again, you're going to have to wait. Jason, I wish we could do it faster, but that's not what we're going to do. We've given you everything we have and we want you to have now. We'll look forward to talking to you in the virtual meeting. Okay.

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Jason Bednar
Analyst at Piper Sandler

All right. Fair enough. Nice try. It's all been very helpful today, so we do appreciate it.

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Fred Lampoppers
CEO

We hope so. We're working hard and we're progressing. We're doing things that have to be done.

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Rahul Parra
Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

And Jason, as we've talked, you know, our intent is to provide material updates every quarter as they happen. So, but, you know, we provided a pretty good amount of color, you know, today and, you know, more to come.

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Jason Bednar
Analyst at Piper Sandler

No, you did and more than I think a lot of us were expecting. So, that's, it's all been helpful. The, maybe I'll shift over to you know, the margin side, this has been, you know, extremely successful and impressive here the last few years. Can you talk about, you know, whether you have additional skew rationalization plans for the businesses, you know, over the next few quarters or next year, or maybe just bigger picture, you know, as we start thinking about, you know, our models for next year, just any other considerations that we should think about sustaining this margin improvement. I'm looking for specific guidance, of course, big picture items that we should have in mind.

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Rahul Parra
Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Yeah, look, I mean, I'll take, you know, the question is pretty broad, Jason. So I'm going to take, you know, just a minute to highlight, you know, the 108 basis point improvement year over year. You know, we have 50.9. Obviously, you know, the sales team is working really hard on pricing uplift. They've been working really hard on the favorable, you know, kind of product and geography revenue mix. And our operations group has been doing a great job on the freight and distribution side. So, you know, that's all driving the gross margin improvement. And as we talked about, you know, in CGI when we laid out those goals for 2026, a significant portion of the improvement, you know, comes from gross margin, right, on the low end. And as we get to the higher end, obviously there's an incremental gross margin improvement there too. with additional leverage to the operating expense line. So, generally speaking, I think this gives us, you know, a big vote of confidence for us, you know, that we're heading in the right direction. We're making the right improvements. But it's, you know, it's progressing, I guess, as we planned. And, you know, it's part of the CGI program to increase the gross margin and let it flow through to operating margin.

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Fred Lampoppers
CEO

All right. Thank you.

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Rahul Parra
Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Yep. And maybe just one more thing, Jason, I didn't hit on the skew rationalization piece, so let me answer that here real quick. But generally speaking, our commitment there hasn't changed. You know, there's two aspects to the skew rationalization. One is just replacing our legacy products with newer products that are, you know, the same, but just improvements and also obviously lower cost to manufacture. And then the second piece, the more material one that I think people generally ask about is whether we're going to exit businesses or exit products. And, you know, generally we'll give color and we'll give people a heads up when those material kind of, you know, items come up. We don't anticipate anything for 2025. It'll be more of the internal stuff that you guys won't really notice or we hope you don't notice other than through the incremental margin improvement. Perfect.

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Operator
Operator

Appreciate it. Thank you. One moment for the next question. And our next question will be coming from David Rescott of RW Berg. Your line is open.

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David Rescott
Analyst at RW Berg

Great. Thanks for taking the questions. Congrats on the quarter and appreciate all the color on Rhapsody. Just a couple on Rhapsody from us. maybe attacking some of the market opportunity questions a little bit of a different way. You know, you look at the, we'll call it the scent-covered graft market out there where, you know, some of the physician feedback is obviously very positive around the potential to transition toward a Rhapsody product. The trial itself obviously looked at, you know, use of the therapy versus, And so I'm curious when you think about the opportunities to enter these markets, is the stunt covered grass kind of the lowest hanging fruit out there and going after kind of what you looked at in the control arm is more upside? Or do you think that both of those markets are kind of up for grabs with Rhapsody once you get out there?

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Fred Lampoppers
CEO

Yeah, David, first of all, a very thoughtful question, and we appreciate why you're asking. And we look forward, you know, we're going to share all of the thoughts on all of these issues in the future. As everything plays out, we're focused on preparing for the commercial launch as we speak. And then we will talk about all of this stuff at our virtual meeting. I'm sorry to have to repeat that. And I appreciate you guys trying. But listen, we are focused on CGI. We're focused on launching this product. We're focused on operating margins, free cash flow, all the things we've talked about. So the Rhapsody is important to us, but we have a big business we have to run, and we'll talk to you as soon as we get to that closing time and get ready. In the meantime, we're getting ready to go to the market.

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David Rescott
Analyst at RW Berg

All right, thanks. And then just maybe as a follow-up on that and some of the prior comments, you know, you talked about, again, the out-year margin expansion story. Just – I'm not sure you're going to provide much on it, but just curious on the assumptions around not necessarily the impact Rhapsody would have, but assuming that the Rhapsody – contribution on a margin perspective should be aligned with the expansion story over the CGI. Thank you.

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Rahul Parra
Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Yeah, again, you know, thanks for the question. But, you know, we're obviously focused on the PMA approval, getting through that process. And, you know, we're excited about the product just as everybody is. But, you know, clearly we're focused on delivering at least 20% operating margins per CGI. That's the goal. That's what everybody's focused on. We're also focused on making sure that we get, you know, the Rhapsody product line across the finish line from a PMA approval. There's a lot of work that's being done internally. We're just as excited as everybody, but, you know, we're just going to hold off on kind of the financial, you know, modeling questions until we actually, you know, that post-approval meeting that we have. So, again, I appreciate the questions.

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Fred Lampoppers
CEO

Thank you. One moment for the next question.

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Operator
Operator

And our next question is coming from Mike Mattson of Needham. Your line is open.

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Mike Mattson of Needham

Yeah, thanks. So, just kind of a higher level question, you know, Merit's been sort of making this move from, you know, more kind of basic accessory type products into these more physician preference items. therapeutic products like Rhapsody, the Cook Lead Management devices, and then the Endogastric Solution product. So, do you believe that your sales force has sort of the right skill set to sell, you know, these types of products that are more kind of dictated by physician preference and physician relationships as opposed to maybe, you know, kind of more of the purchasing or C-suite side of the hospital?

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Joe Wright
President

Yeah, I think those are fair questions. I'm very confident in our sales team. We have been selling a lot of more accessory-type devices, that's for sure, but that's really built the company to where it is today and has enabled us to make the select bets on therapeutic products. There's clearly a change in selling. I'll be clear about that, but we're confident that we can get our attract and retain top sales talent that know how to sell therapeutics. We're already, this year, we've been training up our renal therapies group in preparation for Rhapsody. They're already selling physician preference products in that portfolio, and we're confident they can take on Rhapsody. And we'll do the same with the cardiac therapies group, really anchored by Cook's lead management business.

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Rahul Parra
Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

And our EGS, you know, our endoscopy group too.

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Mike Mattson of Needham

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Got it. And then just one more, I got to try one more on Rhapsody. I know you may not answer this, but one more stab at the market opportunity here. I mean, can you just tell us like what the kind of TAM is for the indications you're expecting to get here? So, In other words, covered stents used specifically for AVGs or AVFs. I mean, I've ballparked it kind of in the $300 to $600 million range, but it's not very scientific. So I don't – is that reasonable? And sorry, that's a U.S. number specifically.

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Fred Lampoppers
CEO

Yeah. Mike, we are not going to confirm or deny anything. What we are going to say is, yes, we can provide it at the virtual meeting right after we get approved.

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Mike Mattson of Needham

Okay. Fair enough, Brett. Thank you.

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Fred Lampoppers
CEO

We look forward to discussing. Yeah. It'll be good to get on to, yeah. Anyway, thank you very much, Mike.

speaker
Operator
Operator

Thank you. One moment for the next question. And our next question will be coming from Craig Baiju of Bank of America Securities. Your line is open.

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Craig Baiju
Analyst at Bank of America Securities

Good afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. I wanted to start with the OEM business and, you know, maybe just, I guess the question is, you know, any of these logistical challenges, you know, can that, you know, bleed into 25? And I guess that's the first part. And then just how to think about that business going forward in terms of a growth rate. Obviously, over the last couple of years, it's been a pretty strong grower for you. Maybe it's slowed down a little bit this year. But We would love any thoughts you had on that business and any potential disruption kind of bleeding into early 25.

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Rahul Parra
Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Yeah, no, great question. You know, first of all, I think just to highlight, right, I mean, I think, you know, Q3 revenue came in, you know, above our, you know, the high end of our guidance. So generally speaking, even though we did have a little bit, you know, we weren't as, high on the revenue growth in OEM as we expected, we were still able to beat the high end of our guidance. And also, I just – I want to make sure that it's clear, like, you know, we're not concerned here, you know, internally about OEM. I mean, you know, if you look at Q1, they were, you know, down 5%. They were up 5% in Q2, and they were up 8.5% in Q3. So the demand is there. The logistics issue was a kind of is really isolated to Q3, is a customer that couldn't arrange pickup for Q3. Then you ran into kind of the Chinese New Year. That led to some delays. So it was really kind of a discrete item. It's golden week, just for clarification. Yes, golden week. Yeah, thank you. And so, you know, we can put that one kind of behind us. I think what we've tried to accommodate for is really the supply chain. You know, that's something that kind of that we, you know, we don't really have control over. As we've talked before in multiple quarters, there's still some areas that haven't recovered from a supply chain standpoint. And this just happens to be, you know, one of the areas that, you know, that's limiting us to be able to deliver on the demand that we're seeing from customers. So the demand is there. We have visibility to that. We continue to be excited about OEM. And, again, we're still talking about 7% growth in 2024 for OEM, which is at the high end of our, you know, CGI guidance. So, again, we have good visibility into the business. We're confident in the expectations. We're not going to provide anything for 2025. But I want to make sure that everybody understands that the kind of the impacts that we were seeing in Q1 are, you know, and coming out of into Q2 are really different from what we're seeing, you know, heading into Q4. They're discrete. So, again, super confident in the overall business. I think if you look at the U.S. growth on a constant currency basis, organic, we are approaching almost 7%, really solid number for the U.S. You know, the rest of our U.S. business is almost 86%, 87%, so we're really talking about a small portion of our business, but continue to be excited about the demand we're seeing in OEM.

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Craig Baiju
Analyst at Bank of America Securities

Got it. Thanks, Raul. And maybe for Fred or Joe, obviously, you know, we're all excited about Rhapsody. I'm going to spare you a question on Rhapsody specifically. And I don't mean to look past it, but, you know, you guys have talked about the Cook Deal, the product roadmap. Fred, I think in past quarters, you've even teased that there's, you know, you have other pipeline products, you know, beyond Rhapsody. So, you know, maybe just, You know, help us understand when we may, you know, hear about some of these, you know, new products or what the pipeline looks like or when you would disclose that to us or just how we should think about, you know, the pipeline other than Rhapsody over the next couple of years.

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Fred Lampoppers
CEO

Yeah. Well, listen, it's, again, these have all been really good questions, which we appreciate. We're not revealing the details. I will say that we're focused on the CGI as we've been talking about on the call. I think in terms of new product development, it continues to be a priority at Merit. We have certain technologies here that we developed over the last several years. And when appropriate, we'll bring it forth. So we just want to keep focused on the things that are in front of us. But in the meantime, there's ongoing product development.

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Craig Baiju
Analyst at Bank of America Securities

Great. Thanks, guys.

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Operator
Operator

Thank you. One moment for the next question. Our next question will be coming from Jim Sidoti of Sidoti & Company. Your line is open.

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Jim Sidoti
Analyst at Sidoti & Company

Hi. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking the questions. Can you talk a little bit more about the integration of the Cook Medical products? Are you bringing on any of their sales folks? And will you move the manufacturing to your facilities?

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Joe Wright
President

Yes, we are planning on taking on some sales professionals in the transaction. And, yes, we will be transferring the manufacturing of that product to a merit facility. In the meantime, however, we will have a TSA to bridge the time between close and transfer to a merit site.

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Jim Sidoti
Analyst at Sidoti & Company

So once that transfer is complete, what will the impact be on gross margins?

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Fred Lampoppers
CEO

We'll talk about that, Jim, when it's complete.

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Rahul Parra
Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Yeah, I mean, again, I think if you look at our original guidance that we gave out when the acquisition came out, we said it was going to be accretive to non-GAAP gross margins, accretive to non-GAAP operating margins in the first full year post-close.

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Jim Sidoti
Analyst at Sidoti & Company

Okay. And, you know, if you look at the business now compared to where you were seven, eight years ago, I mean, the cash flow has just improved dramatically. Okay. You know, what's the plan long term with cash? Do you anticipate continuing to use cash for acquisitions? Or would you ever consider, you know, are there other options out there for it?

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Fred Lampoppers
CEO

Well, Jim, as you can see, you know, we've made acquisitions because we have not only a line, that line comes from our ability to generate cash. I think we've done a great job. You can see the numbers that we're talking about for this year. And as someone told me that lives in New York City, cash is king. And you might know that guy quite well.

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Rahul Parra
Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Thank you for the question. First of all, we're working really hard to make those improvements. I think it's obviously shown in the performance that we've generated. We're off to a really good start under our CGI program. Jim, we're at $120 million of free cash flow for the year. We're going to do a minimum of $400 million under the CGI program. So we're off to a good start. We've got plenty of capacity. Our balance sheet is strong. And we continue to work on our working capital. So all solid points that are generating that free cash flow.

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Jim Sidoti
Analyst at Sidoti & Company

All right, and then with Rhapsody, I know you don't want to answer a lot of questions, but when it does get approved, is this something that you think you can get in the market with relatively quickly, or do you think there will be a significant amount of training involved to launch the product?

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Joe Wright
President

Yeah, great question. The training has started this year, so we've had ongoing training sessions with our sales group, and we'll be ready to go from that perspective. As far as... adoption out of the gate, keep in mind this, like most new medical devices, will require a VAC committee in most cases, so that takes time. But I don't think it's any greater than any other product. And, of course, with the data we have, we expect that process to be certainly not easy, but easier than it would be without such great data. Thank you for taking the questions.

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Jim Sidoti
Analyst at Sidoti & Company

Thanks, Jim.

speaker
Operator
Operator

Thank you. One moment for the next question. The next question will be coming from Michael Piscussi of Barrington Research. Your line is open.

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Michael Piscussi
Analyst at Barrington Research

Good evening. I've challenged myself to try to ask a Rhapsody question you guys can't answer. So let's see how it works. I'm just curious, in terms of your communication with the FDA, have there been – I guess the clock started at maybe the end of June or the first of July. Have there been any stoppages during your – you know, any communication with the FDA since then?

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Fred Lampoppers
CEO

Yeah. So as you know, Mike, we promised or we indicated that we would file by the end of the second quarter, which we did. There's 180 FDA days. And we have had no stoppages. So we'll leave it at that. Excellent.

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Michael Piscussi
Analyst at Barrington Research

All right. I'm going to try my luck with a second one. In terms of just website traffic or inquiries, have you guys noticed any pickup just in people clicking around and trying to learn about Rhapsody since the day in Portugal? No.

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Fred Lampoppers
CEO

You know, I haven't. I mean, I haven't candidly looked at it, but guys, you want to speak to that, Joe?

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Rahul Parra
Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Yeah, I mean, look, I think it continues to track well in multiple markets, you know, where it's available commercially. Obviously, there's a lot of positive feedback from clinicians, and there continues to be a lot of data release, you know, in the coming months, Mike. So, I mean, I think that's all generating a buzz, generally speaking, as you saw just today alone, you know, just with the questions we're getting. So, that's probably the best way to answer it.

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Michael Piscussi
Analyst at Barrington Research

Yes, totally. All right, last one real quickly. You know, in terms of M&A, you know, you guys for a few years there were pretty quiet. You've picked up a little bit, not doing anything huge, but doing some deals that, you know, seem meaningful both strategically and even financially. I'm just curious, in terms of, you know, comfort with leverage, I mean, is there a number, and forgive me if you put this out either tonight or recently, but I'm just not I'm sure I heard it. Is there sort of a leverage ratio you guys are comfortable with going up to?

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Rahul Parra
Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Yeah, Mike, you know, I think, you know, had you asked me this year, you know, this question, you know, three years ago when the interest rates were low, you know, we'd probably say a higher number, right? We'd probably go up to four times. I think generally speaking in this interest rate environment, you know, we're probably somewhere around three unless we can deliver really quick, right? But look, I think our discipline on the transactions that we're you know, that we're showing right now, I think, you know, they're real, right? I mean, I think you're looking at the transactions. You can pick up on the theme pretty easily. You know, we're looking at areas that we can go deeper into the bag, that we can make investments in sales forces to make sure that they can get deeper into the bags that we already have, including the new products that we're bringing on with these acquisitions. And, you know, we're sitting right now at 2.08 times, you know, levered. We've got plenty of cash on the balance sheet. We have a strong balance sheet, and we've got plenty of firepower. But we're going to continue to remain disciplined. We've got our crosshairs on the CGI program. And, you know, that's our goal is to execute to the CGI program that we've promised and everything that, you know, falls under that scope, I guess. You know, we're making sure that, you know, any transaction that we do generally, you know, meets or exceeds those targets.

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Michael Piscussi
Analyst at Barrington Research

Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

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Operator
Operator

Thanks, Mike. Thank you. One moment for the next question. And our next question will be coming from Steve Littman of Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

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Steve Littman
Analyst at Oppenheimer

Thank you. Evening, guys, and congrats on the progress. I guess first on Cook, where do you see the biggest impact sale synergy opportunities with your legacy TRM franchise, whether it's a cross-sell in the U.S., store opening in other countries. Any thoughts on that would be helpful.

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Joe Wright
President

Yeah. One of the nice things about these assets are they truly are global, unlike a lot of the acquisition candidates we evaluate. They have about as much revenue in the U.S. as they do in Europe. I guess I should have said that the other way around. But also some exciting opportunities in APAC, we think. So globally, it really helps our global franchises. As far as products we have, we have the Worley. We have the Snap splitable sheath. We have the Ventrax, which will be coming out soon. We have transeptal crossing catheters, both steerable and fixed curved. We have the Vital Balloons. So we have a number of products that really haven't had the attention they deserve, and we're confident in the products we already have that if we put the focus behind them, we will get more adoption. And with more dedicated feet on the street, we're confident that will happen.

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Steve Littman
Analyst at Oppenheimer

Great. Thanks. Just a follow-up on China, good to see growth continuing to hold up for you guys there. Can you talk about the environment overall there? How much BDP are you absorbing? Your confidence on procedure volume growth? Thought that would be great as well.

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Rahul Parra
Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer

Yeah, look, I think, you know, Steve, look, I think it's, you know, for us, you know, first of all, volume-based purchasing has kind of come in as expected. I think the nice thing that we've seen is we've seen a strong demand and an increase in units, which is why you're seeing the better than expected results, you know, in China. So I think for us, you know, the business continues to be strong or stronger than we anticipated. And, you know, we're dealing with volume-based purchasing, which is, as you know, continues to be, you know, from quarter to quarter pretty, you know, volatile, I would say. But generally speaking, you know, we're outpacing it with the unit growth. And so I think we continue to be excited about, you know, the performance of our Chinese team. And generally speaking, just the APAC region. Great. Thank you, guys.

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Operator
Operator

Thank you. And this does conclude the Q&A session for today. I would now like to turn the call back over to Fred for closing remarks. Please go ahead.

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Fred Lampoppers
CEO

Well, listen, it's been a long call. We appreciate all the questions. Raul and I and Joe will be around for the next couple of hours. Best wishes. It's cold out in Salt Lake City. Warmers up with your questions. Thanks again for taking the time. We appreciate it. And good evening from Salt Lake City. Good night.

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Operator
Operator

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