speaker
Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to Monolithic Power Systems fourth quarter 2019 earnings conference call. At this time all participants' lines are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during this session you will need to press star one on your telephone. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. If you require any further assistance please press star zero. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Monolithic's CFO Bernie Blakent. Please go ahead sir.

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Bernie Blakent
CFO

Thank you very much. Good afternoon and welcome to the fourth quarter 2019 Monolithic Power Systems conference call. I'm joined today by Michael Singh, Monolithic's CEO and founder. In the course of today's conference call we will make forward-looking statements and projections that involve risk and uncertainty which could cause results to differ materially from management's current views and expectations. Please refer to the Safe Harbor Statement contained in the earnings release published today. Risk, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual results to differ are identified in the Safe Harbor Statements contained in the Q4 earnings release and in our SEC filings including our Form 10K filed on March 1st 2019 and Form 10Q filed on November 1st 2019 both of which are accessible through our website .monolithicpower.com. MPS assumes no obligation to update the information provided on today's call. We will be discussing gross margin, operating expense, R&D and SG&A expense, operating income interest and other income, net income and earnings on both a GAAP and a non-GAAP basis. These non-GAAP financial measures are not prepared in accordance with GAAP and should not be considered as a substitute for or superior to measures of financial performance prepared in accordance with GAAP. The table that outlines the reconciliation between the non-GAAP financial measures to is included in our earnings release which we have filed with the SEC. I would refer investors to the Q4 2018, Q3 2019 and Q4 2019 earnings releases as well as to the reconciling tables that are posted on our website. I'd also like to remind you that today's conference call is being webcast live over the internet and will be available for replay on our website for one year along with earnings release filed with the SEC earlier today. For the full year 2019 MPS achieved record revenue of $627.9 million, growing .8% from the prior year while our industry segment experienced a significant downturn. As always we executed our strategies consistently. In recent years, especially in 2019, more and more first tier companies recognized MPS's superior technologies as well as our product quality and our excellent customer support. We see a lot more high quality growth opportunities ahead of us. Our objective is to successfully manage our expenses to support our growth which will in turn benefit our shareholders in both the long and short term. Here are a few highlights which we achieved in 2019. Introduced leading edge system solutions using QS mod technologies for GPU based artificial intelligence and machine learning applications. Introduced 48 volt QS mod technology for both cloud based and automotive applications. Coupled with our design wins in QS mod and AI applications, MPS is at the early stage of this important revenue ramp. Won a major contract to support a tier one automotive supplier which will begin generating revenue in the next two to three years. Successfully co-developed cutting edge solutions for smart driving systems and lighting applications. Began volume shipment of high current programmable power modules for communication applications such as 5G networks. Entered the high performance analog market with the formation of a high precision data acquisition business group. With input from our customers, we have completed the detailed product specifications. We expect to release these products in 2020. The initial revenue ramp is expected to begin in 2021. The rollout of these advanced products will mark MPS's introduction into the highly profitable high speed precision data acquisition market segment. We understand the road to success may not be smooth, however we believe our commitment will pay off in the long term and our shareholders will be pleased with the results of these efforts in the coming years. Let's go through low lights. We really don't have any, except there is one item worth pointing out. We deliberately reduced our inventory in Q3 and Q4 2019 which in hindsight was not necessary. As a result, our current inventory level is too low for MPS to maximize our growth in the next few months. Although we can still keep up our growth rate as in the past, we unfortunately may not be able to take full advantage of all the potential upsides. In order to fulfill customers' demands in the second half of 2020, we now have to commit tremendous effort in order to accelerate our schedule to bring up a second 12 inch fab. This has created an unnecessary hardship for our team. Turning back to our full year 2019 revenue by market segment compared with 2018, communications revenue up 20.1%, computing and storage up 18.9%, automotive up 12.8%, in industrial up 12.3%, consumer revenue was down 10.8%. Full year 2019 computing and storage revenue grew $30.1 million over the prior year to $189.2 million. This .9% increase primarily resulted from strong sales growth for cloud computing and high-end notebooks. Computing and storage revenue represented .1% of MPS' total revenue in 2019 compared with .3% in 2018. Communications revenue grew $14.2 million to $84.8 million. This improvement was primarily due to initial ramping of 5G infrastructure sales. Communications revenue represented .5% of our 2019 revenue compared with .1% in 2018. Automotive revenue grew $10.2 million to $90.3 million in 2019. This growth primarily represented increased sales of infotainment, safety and connectivity application products. Automotive revenue represented .4% of MPS' full year 2019 revenue compared with .8% in 2018. Industrial revenue grew $10.9 million to $99.4 million in 2019. This growth reflected sales for applications in power sources, security and industrial meters. Industrial revenue represented .8% of MPS' full year 2019 revenue compared with .2% in 2018. Consumer revenue fell $19.9 million to $164.2 million. With the exception of home appliances and wearables, all major consumer markets decreased between years. Consumer revenue represented .2% of MPS' full year 2019 revenue compared with .6% in 2018. Switching to Q4, MPS had a record fourth quarter with revenue of $166.7 million, .2% lower than revenue generated in the third quarter of 2019, but .6% higher than the parable quarter of 2018. By market segment, revenue for computing and storage grew .8% year over year. Automotive grew .6% and communications grew 8.5%. Industrial was essentially even with Q4 2018, while consumer revenue fell .7% from the prior year. The fourth quarter 2019 gap gross margin was 55.1%, 10 basis points lower than the third quarter of 2019, but even with margin reported in the fourth quarter of 2018. Our gap operating income was $30.7 million compared to $30.0 million reported in the third quarter of 2019 and $33.1 million reported in the fourth quarter of 2018. Fourth quarter 2019 non-gap gross margin was 55.5%, 10 basis points lower than both the third quarter of 2019 and the fourth quarter of 2018. Our non-gap operating income was $50.8 million compared to $51.4 million reported in the prior quarter and $46.6 million reported in the fourth quarter of 2018. Let's review our operating expenses. Our gap operating expenses were $61.2 million in the fourth quarter compared with $63.1 million in the third quarter of 2019 and $51.5 million in the quarter 2019 operating expenses were $41.8 million, down from the $42.5 million we spent in the third quarter of 2019, but up from the $38.7 million reported in the fourth quarter of 2018. On both a gap and an on-gap basis, fourth quarter 2019 litigation expenses were $991,000 compared with a $692,000 expense in Q3 2019 and a $409,000 expense in Q4 2018. The differences between gap and non-gap operating expenses for the quarters discussed here are stock compensation and income or loss from an deferred comp plan. Fourth quarter 2019 stock compensation expense, including $574,000 charged cost of goods sold was $18.7 million compared with $21.3 million recorded in the third quarter of 2019. Switching to the bottom line, fourth quarter 2019 gap net income was $32.4 million or $0.70 per fully diluted share compared with $0.64 per share in the third quarter of 2019 and $0.61 per share in the fourth quarter of 2018. Q4 2019 non-gap net income was $48.4 million or $1.04 per fully diluted share compared with $1.08 per share in the third quarter of 2019 and $0.99 per share in the fourth quarter of 2018. Fully diluted shares outstanding at the end of Q4 2019 were $46.5 million. Now let's look at the balance sheet. As of December 31, 2019 cash cash equivalents and totaled $458.5 million compared to $422.0 million at the end of the third quarter of 2019. For the quarter, MPS generated operating cash flow of about $61.0 million compared with Q3 2019 operating cash flow of $72.4 million. Fourth quarter 2019 capital spending totaled $8.7 million. Accounts receivable ended the fourth quarter of 2019 at $52.7 million or 29 days of sales outstanding compared with the $58.3 million or 31 days reported at the end of the third quarter of 2019 and the $55.2 million or 33 days reported in the fourth quarter of 2018. Our internal inventories at the end of the fourth quarter of 2019 were $127.5 million, down from the $135.6 million at the end of the third quarter of 2019. Days of inventory fell to 155 days at the end of Q4 2019 from 163 days at the end of the third quarter of 2019. Before turning to our outlook for Q1 2020, I would like to remind everybody of our long-term non-GAAP financial model, which has been largely unchanged for the past five years. First, we target to grow revenue at a rate that is 10 to 15 percentage points greater than our peers. In a year where the market is expected to grow between five to eight percentage points, we believe that MPS should be able to grow annual revenue from 15 to 20 percent. Second, we target quarterly gross margin to grow by 10 to 20 basis points sequentially. Third, to ensure continued growth, we target increases in our R&D and SG&A investment at 50 to 60 percent of the annual revenue growth rate. Finally, we expect to return 30 to 40 percent of the company's annual free cash flow to shareholders. This long-term financial model is an important tool in setting expectations for accelerated revenue growth and providing operating leverage while allowing for a proper level of business reinvestment. I would now like to turn to our Q1 2020 outlook. We are forecasting Q1 2020 revenue in the range of $161 to $167 million. We also expect the following. Gap gross margin in the range of 55.1 to 55.7 percent. Non-gap gross margin in the range of 55.4 to 56.0 percent. Total stock base compensation expense of $18 to $20 million, including approximately $600,000 that would be cost a good soul. Gap R&D and SG&A expenses between $58.4 and $62.4 million. Non-gap R&D and SG&A expenses to be in the range of $41.0 to $43.0 million. This estimate excludes stock compensation and litigation expenses. Litigation expenses to be in the range of $1.5 to $2.5 million as MPS prepares for an upcoming trial which is set to begin at the end of March. Interest income is expected to range from $1.5 to $1.7 million before foreign exchange gains or losses. Fully diluted shares to be in the range of $46.2 to $47.2 million shares. Finally, we are pleased to announce a 25 percent increase in our quarterly dividend to $0.50 per share from $0.40 per share for shareholders of record as of March 31, 2020. In conclusion, we will continue executing on our strategy and winning market share. I will now open the phone lines for questions.

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Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, press star 1 on your telephone. To withdraw your question, press the pound key. Our first question comes from Jeremy Kwan with Steve Nicholas. Your line is open.

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Jeremy Kwan
Analyst, Steve Nicholas

Yes. Good afternoon and congrats on the strong results in Outlook, especially in a challenging environment. I guess my first question regarding you mentioned about not having sufficient inventory in hand to meet all the immediate demand you're seeing. Is there a way you can quantify what's being left on the table and is there a chance to capture this maybe later on in the coming quarters?

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Michael Singh
CEO and Founder

All these products, we just designed and aimed and our customers have an upside. There are many of them that told us. We believe that these are these sockets that are difficult to change and they're not changing. It can change month by month. Those volumes still will be with us.

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Bernie Blakent
CFO

Yeah, we're not trying to identify a risk factor with regard to our ability to execute against expectations. We're just saying that it would be imprudent for us to allow our investors to believe that there is even more upside beyond that because we may have some constraints with regard to inventory.

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Michael Singh
CEO and Founder

Yeah, our inventories, we involve a few thousand products and very difficult to predict which one is ahead of which one is the ramp first. That causes a lot of problems for our planning and also for our shipments. We're now doing partial shipment.

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Jeremy Kwan
Analyst, Steve Nicholas

Great. Thank you very much. That's helpful clarity. I guess my follow-up would be, Bernie, you mentioned entering the high performance analog market with the high precision data acquisition group. Can you give us more details about this? Maybe you or Michael, maybe what initial applications are going to go after first and how you plan to compete in this market and maybe your sales strategy. Do you need more distribution partners or is this something you can leverage your e-commerce platform? Thank you.

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Michael Singh
CEO and Founder

Initial market segments, they are in the communications as well as medical applications. We don't have long-term strategies, I think, through our e-commerce. We try to push everything through e-commerce.

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Jeremy Kwan
Analyst, Steve Nicholas

Great. Thank you very much.

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Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Alexandra Vici with William Blair. Your line is open.

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Alexandra Vici
Analyst, William Blair

Great. Thanks. Congratulations on a wonderful quarter. Just on 48Vault, you talked about the new product introductions in 2019. I believe you guys said on the last earnings call that you'd be seeing some revenue in Q1. Can you just update us on that and how we should think about the total revenue opportunity there as we look into 2020 and 2021?

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Bernie Blakent
CFO

I don't think that we guided per se on giving an exact revenue outlook for Q1 with beginning of 48Vault, but we said that it would be in 2020. Right now, everything is tracking pretty much along our expectations. What's really exciting is that I think that it validates our strategy to have gone into 48Vault and to enjoy and participate in many of the opportunities that it brings us.

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Alexandra Vici
Analyst, William Blair

Okay. That's helpful. Then I apologize if I missed it, but Bernie, did you give us a little bit of clarity in terms of by segment in Q1, what segments maybe you thought would be the strongest sequentially?

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Bernie Blakent
CFO

Yeah. Again, I think the broader question there is what's going to be, what are the revenue drivers looking like? At this point, I think it's a continuation of more of what we've been seeing recently. For example, the compute and storage market is very well positioned for growth in the early part of the year. Likewise, communication, we believe that there's also a significant opportunity for growth, particularly in Q1. When you look at, oh, I should make one asterisk on computing, notebooks, which we report in computing, are seasonal. Coming out of Q4, they tend to have a seasonal decline, which we are anticipating as well. When you look at storage or cloud computing, I think that we're very well positioned. Then after that, if you look at consumer, again, that still has not hit a steady state or shown any signs of being healthy. Again, consumer is also very seasonal. It's normal to expect a decline from Q4 to Q1. Then when you look at industrial, a lot of that was revenue performance, particularly in the second half of the year, reflected inventory builds on the part of certain of our customers who are anticipating trade restrictions. That area may fall off in Q1. Automotive, that tends to go either on a plateau or when it gets designed in a new revenue opportunity, there's a spike.

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Alexandra Vici
Analyst, William Blair

Okay. Just on automotive, some other semiconductor companies have alluded to a bottoming out improvement there. Are you seeing a similar situation? I know it depends on what model you're designed into and whatnot, but do you feel like the worst is behind you?

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Michael Singh
CEO and Founder

I think we are too small to call the industry. We're growing to all these greenfield markets. The least thing we say is that this is the end of the world. This is the beginning of the world. It's the beginning of the world for NPS.

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Alexandra Vici
Analyst, William Blair

Understood. That's it for me. Thank you so much.

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Bernie Blakent
CFO

Thanks, Alex.

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Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from Michelle Waller with Needham. Your line is open. Hi, guys.

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Michelle Waller
Analyst, Needham

Thanks for taking the question. Congrats on the results. I guess the first one for me is in terms of the next generation gaming console launching in 2020, could you guys walk us through what the ramp is expected to look like for NPS? Is it only a back half driver or do you think you'll see some meaningful uptake into Q2 and from a gross margin perspective? How should we think about the impact to corporate gross margins during that ramp?

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Unknown

Are you talking about gaming particularly?

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Michelle Waller
Analyst, Needham

Yeah, specifically, yeah.

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Unknown

Gaming

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Michael Singh
CEO and Founder

is not a major part of our business. That is all linked into the one product is in a consumer segment and it is in the shared similar CPU core power. The business is very limpy, but we treat this very opportunistically. And our customers really like our solutions and we will support them when the demands come.

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Bernie Blakent
CFO

We would probably expect to see a similar ramp as we did in 2017.

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Michelle Waller
Analyst, Needham

Okay, that's helpful. And then for my follow-up, you have mentioned previously that your dollar content opportunity with the Whitley server platform increased to $70 from $50 in the Pearly platform. I'm just trying to figure out, I know this is a bit further off, but with the EqualStream platform that's expected to launch in 2021, how do you guys see your dollar content opportunity changing generation over generation or just any color you can give there would be helpful?

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Bernie Blakent
CFO

On the dollar content, we haven't seen an opportunity to expand beyond what we currently are getting on the V14. But then again, the specs are not entirely finalized, so if it turns out that the space of the power requirements are materially different from what the V14 is, there might be an opportunity for pricing leverage.

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Michelle Waller
Analyst, Needham

Okay, thank you. That's all for me.

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Bernie Blakent
CFO

Thank you.

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Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Matt Ramsey with Cowan. Your line is open.

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Josh Buckhalter (on behalf of Matt Ramsey)
Analyst, Cowan

Hey guys, this is Josh Buckhalter on behalf of Matt. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on the results in a tough environment. I guess the first question was, you know, if we have a couple items in particular that you could point to that drove the change in your thought process from 3Q to 4Q, and then also is there any margin impact from bringing on the new 12-inch fab and your sort of what sounds like capacity constraints?

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Michael Singh
CEO and Founder

Well, talking about margins and newer 12-inch fabs, okay, every time we bring up a fab, and we won't have a very immediate impact for the margin improvement. These products from the new fabs are always a year or two years down the road. In terms of which segments of our inventory is tight, it's actually across the board.

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Josh Buckhalter (on behalf of Matt Ramsey)
Analyst, Cowan

Got it. Thank you. And I guess in the beginning of the call, you mentioned several Tier 1 companies launching with your design wins. Were there any, you know, I guess if you could rank order one or two that you're most excited about heading into 2020? Thank you and congrats again.

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Michael Singh
CEO and Founder

These are ways that Bernie said at the beginning of the call. So, okay, these are things that these are the few things that we achieved in the 2019s, and all of these will generate significant revenue in 2020.

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Bernie Blakent
CFO

Yeah, and it's not restricted to any one end market segment. It's actually very broad-based, the level of customer engagement that we're receiving from Tier 1s. Thanks,

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Josh Buckhalter (on behalf of Matt Ramsey)
Analyst, Cowan

guys.

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Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Rick Schaefer with Oppenheimer. Your line is open.

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Rick Schaefer
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Hi, guys. I'll echo everyone else's congratulations on another monolithic quarter, another great quarter. So, good job. I just had maybe a question. On coronavirus, since it's a topic du jour, you guys have three of your four production foundries in China. So I'm just curious, Michael or Bernie, if you're seeing any signs of supply disruption or do you expect to see any signs once guys just start coming back to work next week?

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Michael Singh
CEO and Founder

All the five, as far as we know, they are all open. They are all operating, and they're in really tight conditions. And all the assemblies, same things. So far, it really hasn't disrupted our supply.

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Bernie Blakent
CFO

And again, Rick, it's a very early stage to really fully appreciate or understand how any of our businesses will be impacted.

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Rick Schaefer
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Sure, I understand. So maybe a follow-up, if I could. Just on your autobiz, I know you guys secured one of the, I think the number one tier one auto supplier a few months ago. I'm just curious where we stand on securing the number two tier one auto supplier. And as part of your answer, I'm curious, after you signed number one, have you seen, is it too soon to have seen any noticeable uptick in design activity? And maybe also just a comment on China in general. I know I'd be interested. I know it was kind of a slow year for China Auto. It basically canceled the design year, I think, last year or the model year. I'm curious what your expectations are for China this year or what you're seeing. Thanks.

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Michael Singh
CEO and Founder

Well, okay, overall, everybody told us the autos will not be a good year. But from the NPS side, we're looking pretty good for 2020. And all these number one, number two, number three autos, we are deeply engaged and we see all the activities that we, the more than we can handle. And now we have to pick and choose.

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Rick Schaefer
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Got it. Thanks, Michael.

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Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from Ross Seymour with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

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Melissa (on behalf of Ross Seymour)
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Hi, guys. This is Melissa on behalf of Ross. Congratulations on the really solid quarter. I know you guys don't guide out more than one quarter, but I guess from a high level perspective, now that we're coming out of this industry downturn, what are your expectations for returning to either seasonal or even above seasonal growth? Is this moderated by what, by your inventory constraints? And how are you thinking about the slope of the recovery from here?

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Michael Singh
CEO and Founder

Well, you call the industrial out of the downturn, okay. And as you said, Bernie said earlier, so we will grow above the industrial market, okay, plus what's your upturn in about 10, 15 to 20 percent. So we committed on that.

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Melissa (on behalf of Ross Seymour)
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay, great. And then does the inventory constraints, is that kind of restricting that growth prospect or do you think you can still kind of hit that target?

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Michael Singh
CEO and Founder

We try to. And we couldn't, as we said earlier, we cannot maximize it because our customers are pulling the requirements, okay. And so we have to keep them in line up and we have to partial ship them. And that's our inventory is in a very low stage, okay.

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Melissa (on behalf of Ross Seymour)
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Got it. And then the last one for me is your computing and storage segment has been driving really strong growth. And I was just curious, when you look into 2020, how are you thinking about the shape of that business? And in particular, are you worried about any risk of inventory digestion of lumpy buying or do you think that it's really strong secular growth that's driving the strengths?

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Bernie Blakent
CFO

Yeah, when you look at 2019, I think that first half of the year was an anomaly where the hyper scales were trying to digest excess capacity. And so I would see, you know, with the V14 having been just recently rolled out, a return to a more normalized adoption process.

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Melissa (on behalf of Ross Seymour)
Analyst, Deutsche Bank

Okay, great. Thank you guys.

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Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, press star one on your touchtone telephone. And our next question comes from Tori Spenberg with Stifo. Your line is open.

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Tori Spenberg
Analyst, Stifo

Yes, thank you. And congratulations again. Very, very nice results. First question on inventory being tight. I mean, you're at 156 days. So, you know, how tight is it? I mean, I know you want to run a little bit higher than that, but it doesn't seem alarmingly low either. So maybe you could just elaborate a little bit on that.

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Bernie Blakent
CFO

I think we're at 155 days right now. And if you were to look at sort of the industry standards, you know, we're probably in and about the midpoint range of what people might expect. There's two things, though, that differentiate us. The first is the diversity of the number of products that we maintain. And then the second is that we build inventories ahead of when we sell them. And as a result, because we're growing at a rate that is 10 to 15 percentage points faster than the industry, that puts more pressure on us to have more inventory available at an earlier stage. So it's as much a risk management decision with the level we carry. And I think that we've said previously that we're more comfortable with inventory levels between about 160 and 180 days.

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Michael Singh
CEO and Founder

For the stagnant companies, inventory, yes, is a very predictable. For the growth company, and we have a particular for NPS, we have, if not thousands, we have hundreds of projects and they are taking off. And some of them are faster, other ones are slower. How do we pick on those? Very difficult to call.

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Tori Spenberg
Analyst, Stifo

Well, it's a good problem to have. Second question, and I always ask you this, Michael, if you could give us an update on your e-commerce business. We've noticed that the website keeps changing. So if you could update on that, that'd be great. Thanks.

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Michael Singh
CEO and Founder

The e-commerce side, other than the NPS website e-commerce, we're still learning from that. But our product is still, the third party's e-commerce starts doing really well. And so as a result of learning and we're changing it, you see that. You see it on our website. So far, we can't give you the significant number yet, but I feel that at the end of 2020, I think that will move some needles.

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Tori Spenberg
Analyst, Stifo

Great. So at least you're now seeing the traffic really moving in the right direction, sounds like. Yes.

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Michael Singh
CEO and Founder

The key is the traffic. But yeah, to give you the analogies, we believe back in a year ago, we believe that there's a lot of fish in the Pacific Ocean. So we dropped the fish in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. We didn't come to anything. And now we're learning, we're fishing what kind of fish. Where are they? We're not long more targeted. So we went through, we have gone through the phase. Okay. We're not long more targeted now.

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Tori Spenberg
Analyst, Stifo

Very good. Make sure you have enough bait. Last question on the e-motion business, if you could also update us there, including obviously, your system level motor products.

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Michael Singh
CEO and Founder

Yes. So the model is that the intended is just not selling a model. And intended as a provide a convening for our customers for the initial ramp. So those business at the very beginning, and I go through, we see quite a few orders from our internet. And then typically, those customers are going very slow. And I mean, their project takes a year and a year and a half to ramp. It's not like they're selling silicon pieces. And usually a model, the guys, it takes about three or four years. In terms of e-motions, we have, I don't know what the, Bernie, maybe you can say that, 20 some million dollars this year, more than 20, last year, 20 some million dollars. This year, we're going to keep up a similar growth rate. And so it will be, certainly it will be 30 or 40 million dollars.

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Bernie Blakent
CFO

Okay. I think that we're comfortable in saying that it can be a 30 or 40 million dollar business here in the next few years. I think, though, that Michael makes a very good point as far as the length of time between adoption and when you generate revenue, many of those applications almost have characteristics similar to automotive.

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Tori Spenberg
Analyst, Stifo

Very good. Congratulations again. Thank you.

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Operator

Thank you. And I'm showing no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back to Bernie Blagen for any closing remarks.

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Bernie Blakent
CFO

Thank you. I'd like to thank you all for joining us for this conference call and look forward to talking to you again during our first quarter 2020 conference call, which will likely be in April. Thank you and have a nice day.

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Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect. Everyone have a great day.

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