5/7/2020

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Operator
Conference Operator

Good morning and welcome to Moderna's first quarter 2020 conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. If you are part of the press or media, please disconnect at this time. Following the formal remarks, we will open the call up for your questions. Please be advised that the call is being recorded. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Lovina Talukdar, Head Investor Relations at Moderna.

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Lovina Talukdar
Head of Investor Relations

Please proceed. Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to Moderna's conference call to discuss our first quarter 2020 business updates and financial results. You can access the press release issued this morning as well as the slides that we'll be reviewing by going to the investor section of our website. Speaking on today's call are Stefan Bonsell, our CEO, Tal Zaks, our CMO, Stephen Hogue, our president, and Lawrence Kim, our CFO. Before we begin, please note that this conference call will include forward-looking statements. Please see slide two of the accompanying presentation and our SEC filings for important risk factors that could cause our actual performance and results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in these forward-looking statements. We undertake no obligation to update or revise the information provided on this call as a result of new information or future results or developments. With that, I will now turn the call over to Stephane.

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Stéphane Bancel
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Lavina, and good morning or good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for doing the call. I hope you and your families are in good health. As you know, we believe mRNA has the potential to be a new class of medicines with the opportunity to address many medical needs, with medicines with higher probability of technical success, with greater speed of research and clinical development versus traditional medicines, and with greater manufacturing capital efficiency and lower cost of goods than injectable recombinants. Given the unknowns of working with a new technology, we have been laser-focused on managing risk, technology risk, biology risk, execution risk, and financing risk. As many of you know, 2019 was an important infection year for Moderna. We reported clinically validating data from key programs in two of our modalities, prophylactic vaccines, antistemic, secreted, and cell surface therapeutics. Data that we believe fundamentally changed the risk profile for each of these two modalities that we now call As a result, our strategy is to double down in these two core modalities with many important new development candidates. We have already announced five new development candidates in these core modalities since January 13th at the J.P. Morgan Conference. Three new development candidates in infectious disease prophylactic vaccines and two in the systemic secreted and telsofast therapeutics modalities. While we focus on doubling down in core modalities, we are still very interested in understanding the potential of mRNA technology in our current expiratory modalities, cancer vaccines, intratumoral immune oncology, localized regenerative therapeutics, and systemic intracellular therapeutics. So when we think about the company, we basically have two distinct areas of focus. This is a significant point in our strategy. We have core modalities where we want to scale and invest, and exploratory modalities that continue to be a big driver for the company's future as we await clinical data to decide the path forward. So stepping back, I would like to share with you the progress of a company toward a new class of medicines. This is a strategic plan that we shared with you in February 2020. In the early days of our company, our goal was to enter the clinic safely. We spent years investing and developing mRNA science, formulation delivery, and manufacturing technologies. The company pivoted out of that growth phase when we entered the clinic with our H10 influenza vaccine in December 2015. In the clinic, our next goal was to learn how our technology was working or not. We explored our technology across six different modalities. We tested 16 different molecules in the clinic in a short four-year period. In 2019, we generated important data in two of these six modalities and identified our first two core modalities, infectious disease prophylactic vaccines and systemic secreted and cell surface therapeutics. Early in the year, we entered a new phase of companies' development. Our goal for this next phase in our history is to file multiple BLAs while continuing our clinical programs in the four expiratory modalities and continue to invest aggressively in early research to invent new modalities such as an ongoing collaboration with Vertex. When we first presented this plan in early February this year, we had imagined that the the next phase of growth of a company will have taken us three to four years. Our vaccine against SARS-CoV-2 virus, mRNA-273, is a major acceleration of our company's development. Today, we are very happy to announce that we received yesterday clearance from the FDA to proceed with Phase 2. It's just nine days from filing our IND on Monday, April 27th, The FDA gave us a green light. We intend to start the clinical trial as soon as safely possible. We've also announced this morning that we are finalizing the Phase III protocol, and our aim is to start dosing the Phase III in early summer 2020. This means that we have a potential for a BLA approval for mRNA-1273 in 2021. That is an acceleration of several years. This is a plan we had just months ago. Moderna should be a commercial stage company in 2021. That is two to three years ahead of our previous plans, plans we outlined just months ago. This is a unique opportunity. So we are working actively to get the company ready. To deliver on this acceleration of the company's plan, we're expanding our leadership team in areas where their expertise will be instrumental to allow us to successfully file several BLAs and be ready commercially. Today, we're announcing three new additions to the leadership roles of Moderna. First, Patrick Berchtedt. Patrick joins Moderna as Senior Vice President, Commercial Vaccines. Patrick will report to me. Patrick joins from Merck and Company, where he most recently was head of global marketing and commercial operation for the entire vaccine business at Merck. Patrick will start on June 1st. Patrick, like global initiatives, will focus on revenue growth and access expansion. A 20-plus year veteran in the biopharma industry, Patrick has held various leadership positions within infectious disease and global health at Merck in the U.S., in Europe, but also in Asia. Second, Dr. Jackie Miller. Jackie will be joining Moderna on May 11th from GS Care as Senior Vice President, Infectious Disease Development. Jackie joins a company from GS Care where she held a variety of leadership roles since 2005. Most recently, Jackie was the Vice President and Head, Clinical R&D and Epidemiology, where she built and led the clinical and epidemiology research team at the first LHK Vaccine Research and Development Center in the U.S. And third, Dr. Charbel Haber. Charbel joined Moderna on April 21st as Senior Vice President, Regulatory Affairs. Charbel Johnson from Biogen, where he served as Vice President, global safety and regulatory science since 2017. In this role, he built and led the global regulatory strategy department, the clinical trial application group, and the medical writing groups. Prior to Biogen, Dr. Haver was head of global regulatory affairs for immunology and neurology at EMD Serrano. I am very excited to welcome Patrick, Jackie, and Charvel, and look forward to their contribution at Moderna as we embark on the commercial stage phase of our companies. It is a bittersweet moment to announce today the departure from the company of Dr. Lawrence Kim, our Chief Financial Officer. Lawrence joined the company in 2014, when the company was private. As some of you remember, it was a preclinical stage company with zero development candidates. Lawrence took a chance on Stephen Hogan and I and decided to leave a graduate by Goldman Sachs to join us. The company is now public with 23 development candidates and preparing its first phase three. Lawrence will manage with us for a smooth transition. He will do Moderna second quarter conference call in August with us before leaving the company. I am very thankful for Lawrence's contribution over the years. And so a constructive discussion he and I had about ensuring a smooth transition. There is never a good time for leadership transitions. But the company is very well capitalized with around $2.4 billion of capital to invest to create value. And we need to focus on the next phase readiness for the company to be commercial. We have retained Russell Reynolds for the search for Moderna next year. We will focus on the CFO. We are a public company. and commercial, and global operation experience, given this is where Moderna is heading. Before I hand over to Tal for clinical updates, I wanted to take a few minutes to frame the opportunity in our vaccine modality. We believe mRNA has the potential to be a new class of vaccines, where each of the four drivers of value apply. We are very excited about the potential of our vaccines to drive this value. First, as we discussed, a very large opportunity, the ability to do first-in-class vaccines that do not have products on the market today to protect as many people as we can. Second, a relatively high probability of technical success. As we discussed at our vaccine day, Dr. Andrew Law from MIT has shown that from the start of a phase two, a positive phase one, to approval, Vaccines have 42% probability of approval. This is the highest probability amongst all categories of medicine in clinical trials. We think this is a very important value driver for this franchise. Further, we think an important driver is speed. Speed in the labs, even with a platform, we can study many candidates in parallel in preclinical settings. Once we pick a development candidate to take into the clinic, we can do it very quickly, as we have shown recently. with SARS-CoV-2 vaccine, going from design of a vaccine on January 13 to injecting the first human on March 16 in as little as 63 days. Finally, we believe the capsule efficiency of our platform offers significant advantages over traditional vaccines. Because the manufacturing process to make a mRNA molecule is a cell-free manufacturing process, it can drive much lower capex than just recombinant protein manufacturing. The second dimension is a CapEx leverage across the value chain. For example, when we decided to go after SARS-CoV-2, we did not have to buy any new machine. Our team was able to leverage existing CapEx in a matter of days. With that overview, let me now turn over to Tal.

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Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer

Tal? Thank you, Stéphane, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with a quick reminder on the data generated to date with our vaccines. In over 1,500 healthy volunteers and seven positive phase one data sets to date, we have observed a safety profile that's consistent with the safety of adjuvanted vaccines. And we've time and again demonstrated the ability to elicit an immune response in the form of neutralizing antibodies. I'll start with a high-level progress on mRNA-1273, our vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, and we'll give more detail shortly. As you heard from Stefan earlier, we have the FDA clearance to move into our Phase 2 study, and we plan to start it shortly. This study will run in parallel with the NIH-run Phase 1 study, which has completed enrollment of the first three dose cohorts. Our CMV Phase 2 dose confirmation study is fully enrolled, and we still expect data readout to come in the third quarter of this year. Despite having had some COVID-19-related disruptions. At our Vaccines Day on April 14th, we announced positive interim analysis of our Phase I study for our Zika vaccine. At the two lower doses of 10 microgram and 30 microgram, we achieved SEER conversion rates of 94 and 100 percent, respectively. The two higher-dose cohorts of 100 microgram and 250 microgram are now fully enrolled. As a reminder, we paused our HMPV-PIV3 Phase 1B study enrollment as a cautionary measure to protect children and their caregivers due to COVID-19 disruptions. Our RSV program with Merck continues. So this has been covered in detail, but just to quickly base everybody on the same place, our SARS-CoV-2 vaccine, mRNA-1273, which was a subject of much work and discussion in the first quarter of this year, demonstrates the kind of speed that we believe the platform can provide from first selection of a sequence by our scientists and our collaborators at NIAID on January 13 to the production of a clinical batch on February 7, 25 days later. That had been released by February 24, and by March 4 was associated with an open IND that the NIH had filed. This strong collaboration between us and NIAID led to the trial opening within 63 days, and we've spoken about this before. On April 17th, we were awarded a contract from the U.S. government agency, BARDA, to accelerate the development. And on April 27th, we announced that NIAID was submitted to the U.S. FDA for the Phase II study. Last Friday, we announced a collaboration with Lonza to manufacture mRNA-1273 and at scale with the goal of producing up to 1 billion doses a year. And, of course, today we announced the FDA clearance to start the Phase II part. In parallel, we have been working on the Phase III protocol, and we are finalizing that with a name to start the study in the summer of 2020. The design of the Phase I study is on slide 17. The study started as a 45-subject trial with three dose cohorts, 25, 100, and 250 micrograms, with each participant receiving two vaccinations a month apart. These three dose cohorts have now been fully enrolled, and the safety and immunogenicity data from them will be shared when available. The NIH is expanding the trial to include two additional age cohorts, a 56- to 70-year-old cohort and a 71- and above-age cohort. Each of these age cohorts will include three dose levels, also at 25, 100, and 250 micrograms at the same vaccination schedule. In terms of the late-phase development for mRNA-1273, as mentioned before, the Phase II study is expected to start shortly. This study will evaluate the safety, reactogenicity, and immunogenicity of two vaccinations of mRNA-1273 given one month apart. Volunteers will receive either placebo, 50, or 250 micrograms at both vaccinations. This study will enroll 600 healthy participants in two cohorts of adults ages 18 to 55 and 55-year-old and above. This study is meant to both increase our safety database as well as confirm the immunogenicity that we expect to see in the phase 1. We are finalizing, as I said, the Phase III protocol, and the study is expected to begin this summer. Last week, Moderna and Lonzo announced its strategic collaboration with the goal to enable manufacturing of up to 1 billion doses a year, and this is assuming a dose of 50 micrograms. Technology transfer is expected to begin this June, and we anticipate the first batches of mRNA-1273 to be manufactured at Lonzo's U.S. site in July of this year. I would be remiss not to mention BARDA's role in this. The BARDA award is allowing for us to move as quickly as we are with Scala, both internally and with Lonzo. Moving on to CMV, slide 20 reviews our late-stage development plans for CMV. As previously announced, the Phase II dose confirmation study is fully enrolled, and we remain on track for data readout in the third quarter of 2020. Importantly, greater than 70% of participants have now received their second vaccine dose. A protocol amendment was submitted to expand the timeframe for the remaining participants to receive their second dose as well. As a reminder, we plan to select a dose for the phase three after the first interim analysis, which is the data post the second vaccination. We continue to prepare for the phase three, which is intended to start in 2021 in the U.S. and Europe. During the first quarter of 20, we also received constructive feedback from a type C CMC meeting that we've had with the FDA. Moving on to mRNA-1893, our Zika vaccine program. Let me recap on slide 24 the data that we recently presented at our Vaccines Day, where we reported an interim analysis of the ongoing Phase I trial. This study has demonstrated fairly benign safety profile, consistent with what we've seen before for other vaccines. And at the two lower doses of 10 and 30 micrograms, after a two-dose vaccination regimen, prime and boost, The seroconversion rates were 94% and 100% respectively. These data are encouraging, and we are preparing to move forward with this program into a Phase II trial. Exploratory modalities are a critical part of our strategy, and we continue to make up a significant part of what we do in the clinic. And on slide 26, you see a... If you scan the page, you'll see... many readouts and catalysts from each of the programs, both from our core modalities as well as the exploratory ones. With that, let me now turn the call over to Lawrence.

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Lawrence Kim
Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Tal. Let me first cover an update on the VRTX agreement. In July 2016, we entered into a strategic collaboration and license agreement with VRTX aimed at discovery and development of central mRNA medicines for the treatment of cystic fibrosis, or CF, by enabling cells in the lungs of people with CF to potentially produce functional CFTR proteins. In July of 2019, the initial research term was extended by six months. And based upon promising preclinical data generated in March of 2020, we were pleased that Vertex elected to extend this collaboration for a further 18 months. Now let me turn to financial results. In today's press release, We reported our first quarter 2020 financial results. Note that these results are unaudited. We raised approximately $550 million in net proceeds from the February public equity offering, which resulted in us ending Q1 2020 with cash, cash equivalents and investments of $1.72 billion. This compares to $1.26 billion at the end of 2019. Net cash used in operating activities was $106 million for the first quarter of 2020 compared to $144 million in 2019. And just as a reminder, that latter number includes an in-licensing payment of $22 million, which will not recur. Cash used for purchases of property and equipment was $6 million for the first quarter of 2020 compared to $8 million in 2019. Revenue for the first quarter of 2020 was $8 million compared to $16 million in 2019. This decrease of $8 million in revenue was mainly due to cumulative catch-up adjustments resulting from changes in our estimated costs for our future performance obligations. coupled with the timing of amortization of deferred revenue due to the satisfaction of our performance obligations. R&D expenses for the first quarter of 2020 were $115 million compared to $130 million in 2019. The decrease of $15 million in R&D was mainly driven by a decrease in lab supplies and materials and clinical trial and manufacturing costs partially offset by personnel-related costs. DNA expenses for the first quarter of 2020 were $24 million compared to $27 million in Q1 2019. This decrease of $3 million was primarily attributable to decreases in legal and other consulting and outside services spent. And net loss for Q1 2020 was $124 million compared to $133 million in Q1 2019. I'll turn now to what we expect for the remainder of 2020. If you look at our cash flow line items, you can see our cash use and operating activities and purchases of property and equipment by quarter are laid out here. In Q1 of 2020, we used $112 million of cash on these two items, which is in line with our expectations. If you go back to Q1 2019, we used $152 million of cash on these two items. And remember, again, that number included that licensing payment. Overall, you can see the decline in our quarter-over-quarter cash use for these items through Q1. Q4 2019 with a slight uptick in Q1 2020. And so consistent with our initial 2020 guidance, which we issued back in November, we expect our 2020 net cash used in operating activities and purchases of property and equipment to be approximately $500 million. While we have seen parts of our spend slow down as a result of the impact of COVID-19, such as certain clinical trial expenses and laboratory supplies, we are also investing in preparedness for the late-stage development and potential BLA filing for our COVID vaccine. That results in bringing our cash flow guidance back to its original levels. We recognize that much of our COVID vaccine spend is covered by the BARDA award. Note that the award is not cash up front, but rather reimbursement as expenses are incurred. We do expect to incur significant expenses this year in relation to that BARDA award, but we expect in general a matching of expenses and reimbursements. Let's drill down next on our balance sheet strength and the composition of the $2.4 billion of cash and available funding we have to invest and create value. We ended Q1 2020 with cash, cash equivalents, and investments of $1.72 billion. On April 16th of 2020, we entered into an agreement with BARDA to accelerate development of our mRNA vaccine candidate against the novel coronavirus for funding of up to $483 million, of which $430 million has been committed. Additionally, we are fortunate to have established strategic alliances with private and government-sponsored organizations, including the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, DARPA, and another BARDA award comprising additional available funding of $180 million. Together, this creates multiple years of cash runway, considering the cash guidance that we share today, and a strong ability to invest for the long run in many aspects of the business. The next slide shows our pipeline and the programs through the various phases of development, with a snapshot here. But before I turn it back to Stefan, let me just reiterate an important point from my announced departure this morning, which is that I expect to seamlessly transition my responsibilities through August. But I'll make a brief remark now. First of all, I'm so grateful to have been invited to be a part of this company. What an opportunity to contribute to Moderna's mission of turning mRNA into a new class of medicines. I joined the company six years ago, At a time when the story was nascent, the future was full of unknowns. I'm leaving now as the company has multiple BLAs on the horizon with 23 important new potential medicines in the pipeline, and I believe many more to come. We've invested heavily in the platform to establish the scientific foundations of this new class of medicines, and the team is growing with unbelievable new talent. I'm personally most proud of the financial foundation we've built to enable the company to invest appropriately in the business. It's been energizing, and motivating to partner with Stefan, the board, its executive team, and the passionate Moderna employee base. For me, I'm eager to take the next step in my career, which will be to stay close to innovation in biotech, but not as a company executive. I'll look forward to sharing more about those plans at an appropriate time down the road with many of you on this call. And with that, I'll turn it over to Stefan for closing remarks.

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Stéphane Bancel
Chief Executive Officer

Hello, everyone. Thanks again for all your remarks. for having you as my partner for those six years. It has been quite an incredible ride. On slide 34, let me close by giving you a quick update of where the company stands today, starting with our pipeline. It's exciting to see that today we have two candidates for which we are preparing for phase three, our CMV vaccine and our SARS-CoV-2 vaccine. We have now six candidates that are either in phase two or preparing for phase two. 12 phase 1 programs, and 11 positive phase 1 results. What an acceleration since our IPO in December 2018. Our programs are very exciting. We have seven first-in-class vaccines, where there are no approved vaccines on the market against those viruses. Most of these vaccine candidates have multi-billion dollars annual pixels opportunity. As we shared at our vaccine day presentation, we believe our innovative vaccines are going to be a very large business for Moderna, with long-term annuity-like opportunities at a high EBIT margin. We also have five exciting immuno-oncology programs that are all in the clinic, that are all combined with a commercial checkpoint, four rare disease programs, and two autoimmune disease programs. The company has never been stronger. Look at our foundations. We have now doused more than 1,900 healthy volunteers and patients in our studies. The team is strong and getting stronger every month. We now have more than 900 employees who care deeply about our mission and are proud and energized by our progress and the meaning of our work. Last week, with the Lonza Agreement, our manufacturing capabilities has changed a league We not only have our fully integrated GMP site in Massachusetts, who many of you know and have visited, but we've added a strategic partnership with Lonza that can enable us to up to 1 billion doses annually for our vaccine against SARS-CoV-2, but also other products in our pipeline as we need to. We have great partners with AstraZeneca, Merck, and Vertex. I am very proud of the scientific progress that the team of Stephen Hogg and Melissa Moore have done in the work with Vatex over the last few years. And we are very pleased that Vatex decided to expand the relationship with Moderna. But we're also very thankful for a partnership we've had over the years with BARDA, DARPA, CEPI, and the Gates Foundations. And, of course, we are very thankful for the latest partnership with BARDA, $483 million, to enable us to do the right clinical study as fast as we can go, of course, focusing on safety first for the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine. And, of course, we are well capitalized. We have $2.4 billion to invest in the business and continue to build the leading mRNA company in the world. We are very thankful for our investors for their trust and partnership as we build this unique company. We are energized by the opportunity ahead of us to build a new class of medicines. We are currently accelerating our development pipeline and readying the company to potentially file its first BLA for mRNA-1273, which will be, as you can appreciate, a historic moment for the company. We're investing in the processes to get us there, to get the right foundations for potentially many additional BLAs in the future. starting with the Zika vaccine and CMV vaccines behind the SARS-CoV-2 mRNA-1273. We are already scaling up the organization to address the need to supply up to a billion doses for potentially first vaccine mRNA-1273. All those efforts, investments, and processes will be very enabling for additional vaccines and therapeutics to come. I have never been as excited and optimistic about the future of Moderna in the last nine years. We are humbled and excited by the opportunity to bring forward a new class of medicines for patients that has been our North Star since we started the company. I would like to thank the great team of Moderna employees working very hard every day, and literally many of them seven days a week now since January to fight the SARS-CoV-2 virus. I would like to thank the many people who participate in our clinical studies, including patients, healthy volunteers, physicians, and nurses. I would like to recognize all our partners that work with us to share our vision and helping us to achieve this vision to help patients. With that, we are now happy to take any questions. Operator?

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Operator
Conference Operator

Certainly. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star 1 on your telephone. To answer your question, press the PAM or Hush key. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from Matthew Harrison as Morgan Stanley. Please ask your question.

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Matthew Harrison
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. I guess first, you've highlighted the 50-microgram dose on the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine, and I think Dr. Fauci in his interview also talked about good responses and low doses in animals. Can you just talk about your confidence in being able to move forward and elicit the right kind of immune response with the low dose as opposed to the other doses that you're testing? And then secondly, can you just update us on where the field is in figuring out what neutralizing antibody titers are, and if you think they'll be available by the time you report initial data from the Phase I study. Thanks.

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Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer

So this is Taro. Hi, Matthew. Let me take that question. Two spot-on things that we're looking at. So first of all, 50 micrograms. is our current best guess. This is short of data, and it's based, as you've seen Tony Fauci's remark, on what we expect the platform could deliver. That being said, the final dose selection will really be a factor of, I think, three elements. The first is the overall sense of a dose response of, you know, how much more do you get as you go up in dose? because in the case of a pandemic, we obviously need to balance this with having enough doses available, and so you don't want to unnecessarily overshoot. The second element is an understanding of what that dose could mean as you compare to convalescent serum, and so there's a lot of work being done on assay validation, and I'll get back to that in a minute, to understand what any given level of antibodies mean. And the last element that I think will enable us to connect the dots is understanding the performance of the vaccine and additional animal models of SARS-CoV-2 and then seeing commensurate with the expected ability to protect those animals what levels of titers do we get and obviously the higher the species the more reliable that data is but ultimately what we care about is being able to connect the dots for human diseases So it's a – long story short, it's a best-guess estimate for now, and based on the emerging data, and we will continue to refine it as more data comes in. Your question about the right kind of immune response, look, I think the data we've seen to date, both across the clinical trials, across the experience that we have in the preclinical models, across the board – As I mentioned in all the other clinical trials, we've routinely reported neutralizing antibodies as the measure of immunological success. And if you think about the kind of scientific first principles of how an mRNA technology presents an antigen from within the cell and mimics the instruction set that a virus would otherwise give the cell to make an antigen, I think We get the right kind of immune response, however you want to characterize it, neutralizing antibodies, Th1 versus Th2, et cetera. The emerging data that we're seeing preclinically with mRNA-1273 is all consistent with that. Your final question on neutralizing antibodies, yes, those assays are being stood up as we speak. They're being validated. They're being transferred to commercial vendors. And the NIAID is actively looking at that in parallel with, you know, the simpler types of binding antibodies. We expect to be able to report both kinds of data when we see the data from that phase one.

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Matthew Harrison
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Great. Thanks for the thorough answer.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Your next question comes from Kari Kazimov of GP Morgan. please ask your question.

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Kari Kazimov
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Thanks for taking my questions. I've got two of them for you as well. So I guess first, can you talk more about what the phase three COVID vaccine design might look like? And there's obviously nothing traditional about this program. So how should we be thinking about kind of like the end points, interim analyses and amount of follow-up you think you need for either emergency use authorization or full approval? And then my second question for you is regarding COVID and also regarding COVID-19. There have been some conflicting reports out there on emerging mutations with the virus. I'd be very interested to hear your views on this and what it could potentially mean for the effectiveness of your vaccine. Thanks a lot.

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Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer

Thanks, Corey. This is Tal. I'll take those questions. So, look, the Phase III design, let me make a couple points. Any pivotal trial in order to demonstrate efficacy as well as safety has to be placebo-controlled and large enough so that among the people that you will vaccinate, there will by chance occur cases, right? And so it's a case-driven design, and you set your statistics based on what you expect to see and how many cases you expect to see in the placebo, and then how many fewer cases do you expect the vaccine to demonstrate. Now, any such trial to be effective Depends on three things. How big it is when you start. How good are you at predicting the attack rate in the population that you vaccinate? Because if it's a case-driven design, then, you know, we can vaccinate a whole lot of people. But if they end up for the months to come not being exposed to the risk of an infection, then we won't know whether the vaccine worked. And the third element is how good our vaccine are is because the higher the point estimate for the vaccine efficacy, the clearer the results are and the sooner you can find them. Somewhere between those parameters, we are going to have to have a conversation. It's ongoing between us, our collaborators at NIAID, at the NIH, and ultimately FDA. The length of follow-up here and how soon can we see the data, I think, is a function of all those design elements as well as where you sort of set the bar for cases and what expected benefit is. Now, you asked an interesting question on, you know, where does EUA come into this, where does approval, and what kind of interim data one could expect. So I think as you get closer to it, my sense is that we're not looking at a binary event in the sense that, you know, one day we know nothing and the next day it's suddenly available for everybody. I think as we learn more about the potential benefits, first based on Phase I and II and potentially surrogate data and animal models and understanding what those levels could mean from convalescent serum, we will gain more confidence as to the potential benefit of this vaccine. We will still not be talking about an approval. We will not have a full safety database confirmed. but you start to generate an anticipation of potential benefit. And in the context of a raging pandemic, I think that's important. The next step of data is then to get a sense that the vaccine is safe when given to a larger group of individuals, both healthy people, people who are older with comorbidities, and we need to go and build that safety database in the appropriate placebo-controlled dimension. And the final piece is then to actually demonstrate clinical utility benefit, and that requires to have an endpoint that's meaningful. And I think the two endpoints that are relevant for thinking about a pivotal trial are going to be COVID-19 disease, so however you define disease, the appropriate symptomatology, severity, and having a microbiological confirmation. And, of course, infection per se is also a relevant endpoint because we know that asymptomatic people, even if they themselves are asymptomatic, if you can prevent infection, you will on a population basis actually prevent others from getting infected and them being sick. So there's a benefit to society here of preventing infection, even if less so to the individual vaccinee. So between a disease endpoint and infection endpoint, I think that's where you're going to see the pivotal trials in this space emerge. I hope that answers your question on the design. As we get closer to it, we lock it down with the NIH and the FDA. We will of course be describing it in public. Your question regarding the emerging mutations, we're all following that closely. I would make two points here. Number one, so far from what we've seen None of the mutations that have been described are expected to significantly interfere with binding or neutralizing activities of antibodies generated to the full-length spike protein. And here I would remind you that our mRNA-1273 actually encodes for the full-length spike protein. I think the mutation that everybody kind of saw last week had to do with potentially increased transmissibility of but that mutation doesn't necessarily alter the critical neutralizing binding domains as we understand them. So we're clearly watching this area closely like everybody else to assess the potential impact. The second point I'd say sort of with a more longer-term vision, should such a mutation arise and be relevant for the immunity of the population that's been exposed or the effectiveness of any vaccine, I would contend that actually our platform is going to be uniquely suited to address that for two reasons. Number one is, as we've demonstrated, you can move very fast based on just understanding the sequence of a new mutation and you immediately generate a vaccine against it. But importantly, as you look to the future, one could envision a world where if we've demonstrated vaccines efficacy and benefit against this virus and the appropriate randomized controlled trials, if there's a slight mutation and you alter the vaccine to kind of chase the virus, the path to approval and expected benefit for the next one should be much quicker. And you can think of the way the world has evolved to deal with flu mutations, whereby as soon as there's a new sequence, that sequence is actually put into production and millions of doses of vaccines are generated. You don't need to replicate the entire phase one through three development path every time there's a minor mutation once you've established the platform. So as I look to the future, I think we're in a very good place from the fundamentals of our platform to envision that sort of response to any rising mutations.

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Kari Kazimov
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Okay. Thanks for the thorough responses and great to see the impressive progress you guys are making.

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Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer

Thanks, Gordon.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Again, ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question at this time, please press star 1 on your telephone. Your next question comes from Ted Seneza Piper. Please ask your question.

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Lovina Talukdar
Head of Investor Relations

Ted, you might be on mute. Operator, we'll come back to Ted. Can you go to the next question, please?

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Operator
Conference Operator

Yes, your next question comes from Solveen Richter of Goldman Sachs. The line is open.

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spk00

Hello. Hello. Hello. where you're looking at challenging animal models and then examining the antibody levels in humans. And then a second question around, you know, with regard to supply and demand constraints, is the LANSA partnership, you know, really just kind of where you, I guess, are you going to expand beyond that to kind of handle demand and supply? Okay.

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Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer

This is Tal. Let me try and take your first question. I think you got cut off, but if I understood you correctly, you asked whether we're running animal challenge models and whether we will be able to connect the dots between those and what we see in human vaccinees. And I think the answer is yes. That work is ongoing. It's been done in close collaboration with Barney Graham's team at the VRC of the NIH. And the assay development work that... is ongoing, is being deployed so that we are able to connect the dots between the challenge models, convalescent serum, and the serum that we eventually expect to see from people who have been vaccinated. So I hope that answers that question. So let me turn it over to Juan to talk about or Stefan to talk about the Lonzo question.

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Juan Andres
Chief Technical Operations and Quality Officer

Hello. This is Juan Andres, Chief Technical Operations and Quality Officer at Moderna. So let me take the second question that you have. Launcher brings an incredible track record in supporting and manufacturing products worldwide. Launcher's capacity, together with the capacity that we have in our site in Massachusetts and the capability, will be a great help for Moderna scaling up and also producing the quantities. We are going to manufacture together with Lonza the formulated bulk, and I expect that we will have more partnership with existing CMOs for fill finish and distribution, and if needed, with new ones. Thank you.

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Yasmin Rahim
Analyst, Roth Capital Partners

Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from Ted Tenner with Pfeiffer. Please ask your question.

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Ted Seneza
Analyst, Piper Sandler

Great. Thank you. Can you hear me okay?

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spk07

Yes.

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Ted Seneza
Analyst, Piper Sandler

Great. Sorry about that before. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for all of the hard work. It's been just an incredible run during this last couple weeks here, and the company's really risen to the challenges. Lawrence, it's been so nice working with you, and I'm wishing you all the best, too. So my question actually has to do with CMV, and... I know you guys have talked about sort of the challenges just with getting the final data sets and the final versus and all those things. I wanted to see if there was an update on that and whether or not there's any changes to the expectation for data in the third quarter and also how this general progress and investment in the vaccine platform will really help what you're doing in CMV. Thanks so much.

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Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer

Thanks, Ted, for the kind words. This is Tal. Let me try and take maybe both of those questions, and Stefan can add on. On CMV, I believe we remain on track, and you can do the simple math here. If we've already vaccinated over 70% of people with the second dose, and it's that critical post-second dose interim analysis that should confirm our dose for Phase III, If you recall the data from the phase one, with much smaller numbers of subjects, we had pretty tight error bars and a pretty good understanding of the dose-response curve. Now, with a much larger study, even if it ran into some sort of difficulty because of COVID-19, we're going to be more than powered to understand the immunogenicity and the size was really driven not just by the need to understand the immunogenicity, but also to validate the safety profile that we see here. So I'm confident that with the numbers of people that we've managed to get into the second dose, the amendment of the protocol is mentioned for the remaining less than 30% that we will stay on track, as we've discussed before, to have the data and be able to move on. And our plans for Phase III are, continue and remain fully on track for CMB. Your question on how it's preparing the platform, I'll give you sort of a brief answer from a perch of maybe medical and development, and then I'll let Stefan talk as it relates to the company becoming, sort of moving to its commercial life phase. The COVID experience is doing really three things for us. It is accelerating our understanding of the safety and immunogenicity at a much wider level for the platform, sort of the leading edge of data, if you will, and I expect that the ability to run a large placebo-controlled trial and expand the safety database at a much more rapid manner than we had so far in Phase 1s will be informative for all of us as to the performance of this platform, and here I sort of speak as a chief medical officer with a keen eye on the safety profile of our platform. So far, we've seen nothing unexpected. And it's all been sort of consistent across the application. But of course, a database of 1,500 subjects will benefit greatly when we go into thousands with COVID. The second element has to do with expanding our capabilities, building up a development team that can integrate and build a BLA file. building up our competencies on the regulatory front, the pharmacovigilance front, et cetera, all of that ahead of a large phase three effort on CMV I think is a tremendous benefit for us. And I will sort of let Stefan speak to all the other elements where this is accelerating the progress of our company.

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Stéphane Bancel
Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Pat. Morning, Ted. I would just add a few things. And I think Tal started to allude to it, which is the power of a platform, which really creates some very powerful network effects, where if you take an example of something new we shared today, which is we had a positive type C meeting last quarter around CMV for CM&T, so for manufacturing. As you can appreciate, This dialogue we had with the agency around CMV phase three is going to be very instrumental in helping us on the phase three for SARS-CoV-2, MRN273. Because of the urgency that the agency has, we've had an amazing dialogue with the FDA. The responsiveness, you know, seven days a week, very engaged, very willing to find every way to shave. a day forward process without making any shortcut on safety, obviously. So for this BLA process that we should be able to go through, you know, in the next months, both on the clinical side and also on the manufacturing side, this access to the agency, this ability to ask questions, to get clarification quickly, will really help us really build that capability within the team, whether it's the processes or the digital infrastructure, data gathering, which is critical both on clinical and on CMC. Then you're going to be able to use that very quickly on Zika, on CMV, and I think that's going to be very powerful. The network effect, I think, is sometimes underappreciated because most companies, as you know, do not have platforms, whereas here, because mRNA is an information molecule, there's really an ability to make Moderna very robust and to take it to the next level so that what we do on SARS-CoV-2 BLA-wise can be replicated much faster and much stronger on Zika, CMV, and all the other programs. I think the same things are on commercial, you know. With the arrival of Patrick, we are going to build very rapidly, you know, commercial infrastructure. We'll give you updates on that in the coming months. But as you can appreciate, all that work that's going to happen very quickly on COVID will help us on the other products, not only at the company branding standpoint, because as you appreciate, the Moderna brand has been transformed in the last few months because of the results that the team has been able to accomplish, but also at the product level, at the scientific level, at the clinical level. So I think the momentum of Moderna is going to be extremely strong and extremely enabled by the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine. verifying process.

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Ted Seneza
Analyst, Piper Sandler

That's super helpful. Thank you very much.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thanks, Deb. Thank you. Once again, to ask a question, you will need to press store one on your telephone. Your next question comes from Yasmin Rahim of Roth Capital Partners.

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Yasmin Rahim
Analyst, Roth Capital Partners

Please ask your question. Hi, team. Thank you for the continued amazing progress that you're making day over day. Two quick questions for you. The first question is related to how are you defining age cutoff that in the phase two you mentioned there will be a cohort of patients who are 55 and above. Is there maybe a range above which you're not going to be going after? And then is there going to be a cohort among the phase two? And as you're thinking about phase three, that are healthy but are at highest risk given that maybe they have obesity or cardiovascular disease. How are we thinking about this patient population that are at the highest risk to incorporate that into the phase two and phase three enrollment? And then the second question is in regards to manufacturing. If you could help us understand what is the single largest unknown when it comes to scaling up mRNA therapeutics. And thank you for taking your questions.

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Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer

Hi, this is Carl. Let me start by answering the clinical ones, and then I'll let Juan take the manufacturing question. In our Phase II, there is no upper limit. I think above 55, you've seen the NIH Phase I sort of parse it out a little bit more finely. I think for us, we're going to take all comers above 55 with no upper age limit. In terms of your question on cohorts at higher risk for disease, should they get infected, this relates to both the elderly and people with the distinct comorbidities. As we build a safety database, obviously we need to get there, but get there responsibly. I think the phase two, the initial sort of expansion into larger numbers, is people that do not have a high risk of disease, should they get infected. In the phase three, we will clearly then open it up, and we will do that in a manner that's responsible and takes the appropriate interim looks to make sure that we expand into that population who needs it the most in a way that's careful. And that's an ongoing discussion, obviously, between us and FDA how to best achieve that goal. Let me let Juan take your manufacturing questions.

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Juan Andres
Chief Technical Operations and Quality Officer

Okay, thanks for the question. Obviously, one of the unknowns was discussed before, which is the assumptions associated with those. And then in terms of the industrialization of the product, obviously, where we're working very hard is in bringing the equipment, bringing the raw materials, bringing the people capabilities together as we scale up. I don't think it is a very single unknown in those. We have done this before, probably not at the scale at which we are going. Having the partnership with Lonza gives me a tremendous confidence that we are going to be doing this very rapidly. And, obviously, speed is at the essence. Bringing these three things together is what it's all about, and that's what we're doing.

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Stéphane Bancel
Chief Executive Officer

Yes, and maybe, Yasmin, just to add something, we are extremely fortunate to have Juan and his leadership team. As you know, he and the team have all come from large organizations. They have managed very large manufacturing complex organizations. They have a lot of experience. They know that every extra million dollars we can get out of our system will be helping a lot of people. So I'm very thankful for the team. They are literally working seven days a week, you know, pulling all nighters to shave every day we can so that we can really maximize the monthly output of the system. And I'm tremendously thankful for them.

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Yasmin Rahim
Analyst, Roth Capital Partners

Thank you, Stéphane. And so are we. We're very grateful for all the work that everyone at Moderna is doing on behalf of humanity.

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spk07

Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Your next question comes from Jeff Meechum. Please ask your question.

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Alex
Analyst (for Jeff Meechum)

Hey, guys. This is Alex on for Jeff. Thanks for taking our question. And Lawrence, we're sorry to see you go, but assume you're moving on to bigger and better things. So my question is on capital allocation in the near term. You reiterated your 2020 expense guidance, but I was hoping you could give a bit more color on the gives and takes within that vis-a-vis OpEx versus CapEx, and how much manufacturing build-out and commercial readiness activities for COVID-19 are reflected within that. And my second question is on the commercialization front. Do you intend to take the vaccine forward yourselves, or do you think it will take partnering to deliver it at scale, or would the U.S. government potentially step in as well? Any color you can give here, and if there's some historical context you could point to, that would be great. Thanks.

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Lawrence Kim
Chief Financial Officer

Hey, Alex. It's Lawrence. Let me handle the financial question. With respect to the guidance and the components, so as I mentioned around sort of the pre-COVID business, if you will, I mentioned that we're seeing a bit of a slowdown in expenses, OPEX, related to lab work and some of the clinical trials, as we've noted. And so those expenses will will be coming down relative to what we thought when we originally set out guidance. The offset is investments that we are making to be ready for all that's coming down the road. We've mentioned this, the rapid acceleration of the COVID vaccine timelines, and there's a lot that we need to do as a company to be ready for potentially being commercial in 2021. And so those offset, we will continue to update you all as we scope those investments and as we move forward. With respect to CapEx, it is not a huge component here right now of the anticipated budget, mainly because of the leverage we've got in the platform as well as the benefit of having a great partner like Lonza on board. And, again, we'll continue to update that. guidance should anything change. And then the last thing I would just reiterate is that there is substantial OPEX expected with respect to the COVID vaccine work being funded by BARDA, the clinical development at Scalab, but that will be paid for by BARDA, reimbursed on a very rapid cycle time. And so that's why I mentioned that there would be this matching of expense and reimbursement through the course of the year, and that would substantially offset.

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Stéphane Bancel
Chief Executive Officer

Yes, thanks, Lawrence. And, Alex, on commercialization, as you can appreciate, as we've said before, with the case of CMV, you know, we do not anticipate having the capability and investing to sell the product in other countries. For SARS-CoV-2, I think it's important to think about the product in two different time horizons. There is a pandemic phase, in which obviously we all are, and then we believe as a company there's a certain opportunity for this product in the endemic phase because we do not believe this virus is going away. So for the pandemic phase, it will be mostly a partnership with governments. So in that case, you know, you don't have to necessarily manage a complex set of potential buyers because we're going to be, as we discussed, at the global level across the industry, we're going to be supply constrained for some time, which is why, as we said publicly many times, we are rooting for everybody who is working on the vaccine. We are hoping that many vaccines are going to a finish line, because if you think about it, there are actually very few companies that have both the manufacturing scale that is required for the task ahead, and are already in the clinic, meaning they can have a short to mid-term impact with their vaccines. In my opinion, they're just a couple of companies that have those two things. And so if you think about it, in a very supply-constrained world in 2021, it's going to be mostly partnering with government so that they will do the allocation in the different geographies. We do not intend, for example, in the U.S., to decide who gets the vaccine. That will not be appropriate. So we intend to continue our partnership with the U.S. government, like we've already done with NIAID and Dr. Tony's vaccine team for a few years, as you know, and in the clinic more recently, with BARDA and eventually, I assume, the CDC, to be able to supply to the U.S. government the doses for them to decide the allocation that makes sense for the country.

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Alex
Analyst (for Jeff Meechum)

Great. Thank you, and congrats on the rapid progress.

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Juan Andres
Chief Technical Operations and Quality Officer

Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Your next question comes from Alan Kerr of Needham & Company. Please ask your question.

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Alan Kerr
Analyst, Needham & Company

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions and congratulations on your progress. I've got a couple of them. I mean, your increased focus and success with vaccines. Are you able to accelerate or what sort of extra emphasis are you putting on these early stage vaccine programs? Can you give us an update on 1345 and 1189, your RSV and EBV programs that are internal. How are those moving along? I know you don't give high-res info on timelines, but to the extent that you can. Then the other question is around your COVID-19 program. To what extent is it feasible to have even an interim analysis of your plan phase three trial in 2020?

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Stéphane Bancel
Chief Executive Officer

So let me start maybe with your first question on EBV and RSV pediatric. As you know, we do not guide on program's timelines. So the team is working on advancing those important vaccines as fast as possible. But we have given no timelines, and we will not give timelines. On the return, as you appreciated over the quarters, to give timelines where we get closer to kind of late-stage development, And especially with the SARS-CoV-2, given the pandemic and given the suffering around the world, we think it's important to communicate our best plans. And I hope everybody appreciates that. When we say we aim to start a phase three early summer, this is the best possible physical plan. Fifty things can derail that. But for the early programs, we are not communicating anything. Tal, do you want to take the COVID interim data question?

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Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a good question. I believe we should be able to have a sense of the cases and a potential early look by the end of the year. But, again, that is a function of how soon can we start, how big the trial is, and how good are we at immunizing people who are then at risk for cases occurring early. because as I mentioned, it will end up being a case-driven design to be able to analyze it. And we'll share the details and the expectations once we lock down the design with our partners and vet it with the agency.

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Alan Kerr
Analyst, Needham & Company

Now, do you expect this to be just a U.S. trial, or would you go global? And I guess another follow-up to this is, to what extent, I mean, I've heard talk about the possibility of a larger trial with multiple vaccines. Are you contemplating that, too, or is the trial that you're planning to face just a Moderna candidate versus placebo?

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Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer

Yeah, so let me take both questions in turn. This first pivotal trial is going to be a partnership with NIAD, with the NIH, so it will be at this stage either a solo or predominantly U.S. trial. We're in parallel looking at opportunities to launch parallel pivotal trials in Europe and globally because I think ultimately the more data we have here, the wiser we will be. I think, can you please remind me your second question?

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Alan Kerr
Analyst, Needham & Company

Well, I think he answered it. I was wondering if you were contemplating a trial, if the government was contemplating a trial.

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Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer

Oh, right, right, the multi-armed trial. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's been a lot of talk about that, both on the WHO side as well as the NIH. As you can clearly intuit, it's not front and center in my brain. for two reasons. First is we expect to be the first one out there for a pivotal trial, and so we just have to get on and demonstrate our trial, our vaccine's potential. But the second one is more fundamental. I think it is important for the field to use more or less a case where it actually makes sense to run many vaccines in a single trial. It's not like we're lacking for volunteers who would line up to be immunized and understand the benefit of a vaccine. And frankly, the epidemic is so unpredictable in where it shows up, to what degree, and how it comes down, that there is no expectation of a consistency of attack rate over time that would make that you know, add any scientific value. So for my, this is a personal opinion here, I question the merit of that design from a scientific and a public health need perspective. I think what's critical here is that for every vaccine candidate, as Stefan alluded to, we're going to need more than one of them, but it matters less whether there's a few percent difference on the apparent estimate of the point efficacy. What matters is you know it works and you're able to scale it up and make it available to those who need it the most.

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Alan Kerr
Analyst, Needham & Company

Okay. Thanks very much.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Your next question comes from Govind Singh. It's B&O. Please ask your question.

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Govind Singh
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Hi, everyone. This is Govind on for George. Just thanks for taking our questions. Two on... 1273. The first one would be, can you help us understand if there's any profit share agreements in place with any other parties, including the NIH around the vaccine? And just how do you guys see the commercial landscape evolving with so many other vaccine candidates in development? And then just to follow up maybe with Naya's comments about their preclinical results that they saw, I understand they're probably doing their studies separate from you guys, but maybe you can help us understand what kind of preclinical results you've seen and when might this data be presented. That would be really helpful.

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Stéphane Bancel
Chief Executive Officer

Thanks a lot. Yeah, so, Stefan, I'm going to start, and then the team might take the pieces I drop. So, as Tal said, there's preclinical work being done both in our labs and at NIAID, in Dr. Tony Sparky's team. As soon as there is a body of data that makes sense, makes sense, and is complete and holistic, We intend to publish that work, so as soon as it's public, you'll be aware. In terms of the profit share, we have not disclosed previously any arrangement, so I will not comment on this one. And what was your other question?

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Govind Singh
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

The commercial landscape and how other coronavirus vaccines are evolving? Yeah.

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Stéphane Bancel
Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, thank you. So on the commercial landscape, as I briefly mentioned a few minutes ago, as you know, I mean, there are 100-plus, last time I checked on Wikipedia, vaccine candidates being worked on around the world. The thing I think that are important is, you know, manufacturing scale and where are those projects in research of the clinics. As I said a few minutes ago, I believe that the project that is at this stage in research with a group that doesn't have the ability to do tens of millions of doses per month, ramping up to hundreds of millions per month, is not going to be able to have a big dent on this pandemic. And so if you use those two as a screen, which is what we do, I think you end up with a very few number of players that have, again, a chance in the 2021 timeframe to have an impact on this. Obviously, like always in drug development, not every candidate is going to get to the finish line. And I could also anticipate that once a few vaccines are in late stage or commercially approved, a lot of the early projects might just stop investing because they are deploying capital and talent for something that might have no commercial end. So I think while there's a lot of people on the start lane, my sense is very few are going to get to the finish line. With manufacturing scale, that matters. One or two million, you know, doses a year is not going to be very, very helpful at the global scale.

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Govind Singh
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Thank you for your help. Thank you.

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Stéphane Bancel
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Your next question comes from Justin King. It's open. Hi, I'm Ruth. I think that's your question.

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Hartaj
Analyst

Hi. It's actually Hartaj on for Justin. So one thing, first, Lawrence, thank you so very much. It was a real pleasure working with you. I look forward to seeing you again sometime in the future. And then secondly, just to Morgana, for all the work that you're doing, I think a lot of people really don't understand just the compression of the timeline that you and the government are engaging in. It's really, really a thing of beauty. So two questions, one in manufacturing and a second on regulatory strategy worldwide. So on manufacturing, if you could just talk a little bit about, you know, going from clinical to commercial batches. I know you've talked, Stefan, about going from millions to tens of millions to now billions with Lonza. Can you just talk broadly about the timing? You know, when can you go from that clinical? I know you've mentioned that Lonza will start manufacturing first batches in July. and how that maps against the BLA, you know, that you'll be starting to file. And then, secondly, on regulatory strategy, you know, Japan just approved Remdesivir. I guess the EU is going through an approval process, a fast approval process for Remdesivir. So how are you thinking of the worldwide approval strategy aside from the United States, where I assume, you know, you'll file the BLA towards the end of the year? And thank you for the question.

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Stéphane Bancel
Chief Executive Officer

So, Akash, let me start quickly on manufacturing. We have not done and not shared a precise output per month. What we've said is that given we're ramping up both Norwood, which we say could do up to 100 million doses per year at the 50 microgram dose, and then the Lanzar site, as you can appreciate, basically every month this year, every month next year, the output per month is going to increase. And so the team is working as hard as they can because they do understand, trust me, that every extra 100,000 virus we get out of the system will protect more people, will slow down the spread of this virus. And so it's not a linear process where you start now at 100 million doses per month. Of course not. So it's just going to be an acceleration process, which is why this dialogue with the government in terms of allocation, and we're going to be hand-to-mouth for quite some time where as soon as the product is made, and QCD will go to the government, and then they'll decide how they allocate it, and we'll just kind of be on a regular basis. Tal, you want to take the regulatory question maybe?

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Tal Zaks
Chief Medical Officer

Yes, thanks, Stefan, and thanks, Hartos, for the question. Look, we're in active dialogue now with regulators beyond the U.S. I think having the partnership with Lonza is a huge enabler to envision the ability to scale up and eventually supply the vaccine on a global footprint to those who need it the most. That will take shape over the coming weeks and months. The expectation I have is that we will do more than one trial, to demonstrate the benefit. That being said, at a certain point, once you have data both for potential benefit and ultimately for benefit, by and large, that data should be applicable for filing in other territories. And so we're actively mapping it out, and our intent is absolutely to eventually be able to make this vaccine available to those who need it the most.

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Hartaj
Analyst

Great. Thank you for all the questions.

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spk07

Thank you. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

If there are no further questions at this time, presenters, you may continue.

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Stéphane Bancel
Chief Executive Officer

So thank you so much, everybody, for participating, and we look forward to talking to you or seeing you at the latest on June 2nd for the Moderna fans there and this team we host. Thank you very much. Have a good day, and stay safe. Bye-bye.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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