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spk15: Good afternoon and welcome to the Marvell Technologies Fiscal Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Ashish Saran, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
spk09: Thank you and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Marvell's second quarter fiscal year 2022 earnings call. Joining me today are Matt Murphy, Marvell's president and CEO, and Gene Hu, our CFO. I would like to remind everyone that certain comments made today may include forward-looking statements which are subject to significant risks and uncertainties that could cause our actual results to differ materially from management's current expectations. Please review the cautionary statements and risk factors contained in our earnings press release which we filed with the SEC today and posted on our website, as well as our most recent 10-K and 10-Q filings. We do not intend to update our forward-looking statement. During our call today, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation between our GAAP and non-GAAP financial measures is available in the investor relations section of our website. As discussed during the prior quarter's earnings call, we have implemented a change in how we report revenue. Starting with the second quarter of fiscal 2022, we have started to report revenue by our 5N market. In our earnings press release we issued earlier today, we have provided historical N market revenue data by quarter, starting with the second quarter of fiscal 2020. In this press release, we have also provided revenue results by product group. Going forward, we intend to only report revenue by N market. In today's call, Matt will comment briefly on our revenue performance by product group, For the second quarter, before transitioning most of this discussion to our results and expectations for each of our five end markets. With that, I'll turn the call over to Matt for his comments on our performance. Matt?
spk06: Thanks, Ashish, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll start with a summary of our second quarter GAAP results. Revenue was $1.076 billion. GAAP gross margin was 34.6%. GAAP operating loss was $267 million, and loss per diluted share was $0.34%. Building on the strong results we delivered in Q1, our second quarter results, which include a full quarter of NFI, were equally robust, driven by strength in our diversified end markets and continued focus on operational excellence. Revenue for the second quarter exceeded the midpoint of our guidance and grew 29% sequentially and 48% year over year. I'm now going to review our non-GAAP results for the quarter. Non-GAAP gross margin was 64.8%, 80 basis points better than expectation. Non-GAAP operating expenses were lower than expected, and we delivered $331 million in non-GAAP operating income. Revenue, non-GAAP gross margin, and non-GAAP operating income were all record achievements for Marvell. Higher revenue coupled with stronger non-GAAP gross margin and lower OPEX drove non-GAAP earnings per share to $0.34, $0.03 above the midpoint of guidance. Non-GAAP EPS grew 62% year over year. Our non-GAAP operating margin climbed above 30%, demonstrating significant operating leverage in our business model. In the second quarter, the standalone Barbell business delivered solid year-over-year revenue growth in the high teens on a percentage basis, similar to the growth rate we saw in Q1. I'm also pleased with the strength of our InFi business, which delivered revenue above expectations and was accretive to our non-GAAP earnings in its first full quarter within Marvell. On a product group basis, networking revenue was $702 million, above the midpoint of expectations, and grew 41% sequentially and 73% year-over-year. Storage revenue was $342 million, also above the midpoint of expectations, and grew 13% sequentially and 18% year-over-year. Our storage business, which I would note does not include any contributions from N5, is now running at an annualized revenue run rate of approximately $1.4 billion. This business has been growing double digits year over year in recent quarters, reflecting its remarkable transformation from significant PC exposure to now being focused largely on the data center. Based on the significant improvement in the mixed event markets, combined with design wins we have secured for our SSD controllers, HDD controllers, and preamps, we expect our storage business to continue to grow strongly over the next several years. Let me now move on to discussing our 5N markets. I'll start with a recap of the substantial improvements we have driven over the last few years in focusing the company on data infrastructure, which is evident in the historical data we have provided today. As a result of our strategic multi-year transformation, we have significantly increased our exposure to the data center and carrier end markets, which are characterized by long product life cycles, picky design wins, and multi-generational engagements. At the same time, we have substantially reduced our dependence on the consumer market, which tends to be more volatile with shorter product life cycles. The consumer market is now only 15% of our total revenue. Factors contributing to this change include significantly higher growth we have driven from the other ad markets, our de-emphasis on PC, HDD, and SSD controllers, and the sale of our Wi-Fi business. In sharp contrast, data center is now our largest end market and at 40% of total revenue is about twice as large as any of our other end markets. We believe that data center is positioned to become an even bigger part of Marvell over time when we combine our growing market share with the numerous secular growth drivers in this end market. Over the last few years, data center has become our most diversified end market with revenue contribution from nearly every Marvell product line. Cloud is the primary growth driver in this end market, and it's exciting to note that cloud now represents more than half of our data center revenue, making cloud on its own larger than any of our other four end markets. We have grown our data center business through organic investment in our Nearline HDD controllers and preamps, SSD controllers, as well as significant M&A. We added Cavium's LiquidIO and Liquid Security DPUs, which have been adopted by multiple cloud customers. The Avera acquisition added a custom ASIC platform, which we coupled with Marvell's leading standard product IP. This has proven to be extremely compelling to hyperscale customers who are building custom hardware to deploy incredibly efficient and optimized infrastructure. We recently added InFi's market-leading electro-optics portfolio for high-speed connectivity, both within and between cloud data centers. Finally, the proposed acquisition of Inovium will add their cloud-optimized Ethernet switches to our data center portfolio products. With the broadest technology platform in the industry, we believe Marvell is well positioned to become a semiconductor leader in data center and expect this end market will be the most important growth opportunity for the company over the next several years. In carrier infrastructure, we have been significantly growing our dollar content base station, winning new customers, and growing our overall market share in the 5G market. Just over the last two years, our carrier revenue has nearly tripled, representing approximately 20% of our total revenue. We expect a sustained period of strong revenue growth from this end market, driven by an increase in 5G deployments, which are still in the early stage of worldwide adoption, and the ramp of our full platform of 5G products at multiple customers in their current generation of base stations. We have also one additional socket for the 5 nanometer, which will go into production in next generation base station launches over the next several years. extending the growth from our carrier end market over a long time period. The enterprise networking end market comprises approximately 20% of our total revenue. The revenue contribution from this end market has grown rapidly and kept pace with the strong growth in Marvell's total revenue over the last few years. This is a solid accomplishment against the backdrop of challenging end market dynamics. In fact, over the last two years, our enterprise revenue has grown at 23% annual CAGR, with the majority of the growth coming from standalone Marvell Ethernet switch and five products. These refreshed platforms have been instrumental in driving outsized revenue growth, a testament to the competitiveness of our products and technology. We believe that we are well positioned to continue outperforming the market and are looking forward to a recovery in enterprise spending that would serve as an incremental tailwind to this business. Our revenue from the automotive and industrial end market has begun to accelerate in recent quarters, benefiting from the ramp in our auto ethernet connectivity business. Our automotive business is in its early stages of growth, and given our design wind traction and the growth expected in the adoption of ethernet technology in cars, we expect the revenue contribution from this end market will become a larger portion of our total revenue over time. Let me now move on to discussing our second quarter results and third quarter expectations for each of our end markets, starting with data center. In our data center end market, revenue for the second quarter was $434 million, growing 57% sequentially and 62% year over year. Strong growth was driven by contributions from the acquired InFi business and ongoing growth from the standalone Marvell business. Cloud customers drove the vast majority of the growth in our data center end market. Our electro-optics products continue to benefit from the adoption of PAM-based connectivity inside cloud data centers, as well as the adoption of DCI, or data center interconnect, between regional locations. Marvell's DPUs and storage products also contributed to growth in this end market. Last quarter, we discussed a number of significant design wins, leveraging our advanced technology platform with multiple cloud customers across a variety of applications and business models. These are expected to drive a substantial step up in our cloud revenue in the calendar 2024 to 2025 timeframe. Development is in full swing on these projects, and I am pleased to report that our cloud design momentum continues this quarter with an additional custom ASIC design secured for a cloud networking application. We expect to continue to win sockets and gain share in this market, leveraging the strength of our portfolio and growing engagements with key cloud customers. In our third fiscal quarter, we are expecting another strong performance from data center, projecting robust sequential revenue growth in the double digits on a percentage basis. We expect year-over-year growth will be considerably higher and project data center revenue to just over double from a year ago. We expect the sequential growth to be driven by cloud with virtually all of our product lines contributing to growth. I'm also pleased to note that in the third quarter, we expect to start ramping our second generation of ColorZ DCI products, 400 gigs VR into volume production. With our proposed acquisition of Inovium, we are looking forward to adding their cloud optimized switches to Marvell's broad data center portfolio. We received very positive feedback from multiple key customers following our announcement of the planned combination. They're excited about the prospect of collaborating more closely with us once the acquisition closes to address their need for high performance switches going forward. Turning to our carrier infrastructure and market, Revenue for the second quarter was $197 million, growing 17% sequentially and 38% year-over-year. In addition to the contribution from InFi, year-on-year growth was enabled by standalone Marvell's wireless business. Our wireless revenue growth was driven by ongoing deployments of 5G, as well as product ramps at Samsung and Nokia, partially offset by an expected decline in custom ASICs shipping into China. Design Wind progress continues in 5G, and I'm pleased to report that we have won a next-generation ASIC design leveraging our 5-nanometer technology platform within the radio unit at a key base station customer. With this win, we have now secured 5-nanometer designs at three Tier 1 base station customers. Our ORAN and VRAM platform, which includes our card-based Layer 1 accelerator, also continues to be adopted by multiple cloud customers and wireless base station OEMs. In the third fiscal quarter, we expect sequential revenue growth from the carrier and market, driven by strong growth from wireless, partially offset by a decline from wired. We project the strong growth in wireless in the double digits sequentially and on a percentage basis to come from an increase in 5G deployments in multiple regions. In addition, we expect growth from 5G to significantly accelerate in the fourth quarter. On a year-over-year basis for our carrier ad market, we project strong revenue growth to continue above 20% in the third quarter. Moving on to our enterprise networking end market. Revenue for the second quarter was $223 million, growing 27% sequentially and 41% year over year, with the majority of the growth coming from standalone Marvell products. This remarkable level of organic growth in the enterprise end market was made possible in part by a strong effort from our operations team to address pent-up customer demand. While we expect strong demand to continue for the foreseeable future, we expect supply constraints will impact our ability to this level of revenue attainment in the third quarter. From a product perspective, growth in the second quarter was driven by our Ethernet networking portfolio, benefiting from ongoing share gains and the beginning of multi-gig adoption. We are also encouraged by strong demand for our products from customers that we believe indicate a recovery is underway in the SEND market. Looking ahead to the third quarter, while we expect a sequential decline in revenue due to supply constraints, We anticipate strong year-over-year growth, approaching 30%. Turning to our automotive and industrial end market, revenue for the second quarter was $57 million, growing 24% sequentially and 125% year-over-year, driven by the ongoing ramps in our auto business. Marvell continues to gain recognition from customers for its commitment to automotive-grade quality and reliability. During the quarter, we received a prestigious Global Supplier Award from the Bosch Group in recognition of Marvell's outstanding performance and quality in the manufacture and supply of leading-edge data infrastructure semiconductors. We are looking forward to our continued partnership and long-term collaboration with Bosch on our broad and growing group of automotive customers and partners. Turning to the third fiscal quarter, we expect our revenue from the auto and industrial end market to grow sequentially. Year over year, we project growth will continue to be very strong and expect revenue to nearly double in the third quarter. We also expect to attain an important milestone in the third quarter. Our automotive business is projected to cross over $100 million annualized revenue run rate earlier than prior expectations. Moving on to our consumer end market, revenue for the second quarter was $165 million, declining 1% sequentially and growing 23% year over year. Most of the revenue in this end market is from standalone Marvell and the strong annual growth is driven primarily by our custom DIY SSD controllers. Looking ahead to the third quarter, we expect revenue to grow sequentially while year-over-year revenue growth will remain strong in the double digits on a percentage basis. In closing, we expect our business momentum to gather strength in the second half of fiscal year 2022. Our recent results and near-term expectations for revenue growth continue to trend above the high end of our target model. Demand for our products continues to significantly outpace supply, and our global operations team is aggressively securing more capacity. We are working closely with our supply partners, leveraging our scale and balance sheet to improve our ability to meet the strong secular growth and demand we expect for our data infrastructure products, both in the short and the long term. For our third fiscal quarter, at the midpoint of guidance, We expect revenue to grow 6% sequentially and 53% year-over-year. We expect growth from the standalone Marvell business to accelerate to over 20% year-over-year in the third quarter, compared to the high teens we achieved in the first half. Additionally, we expect the InFi business to continue to perform well and grow faster than standalone Marvell. Our integration of InFi is proceeding very well, and we successfully achieved our one ERP milestone ahead of schedule. Leveraging the larger scale and broader set of key technologies, the combined teams are working closely together on winning new opportunities at multiple Tier 1 customers. We are also looking forward to completing the proposed acquisition of Inovium, which will broaden our Ethernet switch platform and further increase our exposure to the fast-growing cloud data center market. I'm also pleased to announce that we will be hosting our Investor Day this year on Wednesday, October 6, 2021, at 8 a.m. Pacific. Similar to last year, this will be a virtual event webcasted live on our website. We will provide more event details in a press release shortly. With that, I'll turn the call over to Jean for more detail on our recent results and outlook.
spk10: Thanks, Matt, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll start with a review of our financial results for the second quarter and then provide our current outlook for the third quarter of fiscal 2022. Revenue in the second quarter was $1.076 billion, $11 million above the middle point of guidance. Networking represented 65% of our revenue, with storage contributing 32%. Revenue from other counted for 3% of our revenue. As Ashish mentioned earlier, starting with the third quarter, we'll only report revenue by our five end markets, to provide more transparency about the key growth drivers of our business. GAAP growth margin was 34.6%, which included amortization of InFi inventory step-up cost. Non-GAAP growth margin was 64.8% of revenue, 80 basis points above the middle point of guidance, primarily due to a better mix. GAAP operating expenses were $638 million, Non-GAAP operating expenses were $366 million, approximately $6 million below the middle point of guidance, primarily due to faster-than-expected in-fire synergy achievement and disciplined OPEX management. I'm confident that our team will achieve the remaining in-fire integration synergies based on the plan we discussed last quarter. Given the significant growth opportunities ahead of us, we are turning our focus to ensuring continued investment to support our long-term profitable growth. As a reminder, our operating expenses can vary quarter to quarter, affected by factors such as the number of tip-outs within a particular quarter, and these tip-outs are becoming more expensive in newer process geometry. The cadence of NRE payment, which we treat as a control OPEX, can also add variability. Our GAAP operating loss was $267 million. Non-GAAP operating profit was $331 million, or 30.8% of revenue. For the second quarter, GAAP loss per diluted share was $0.34. Non-GAAP income per diluted share was $0.34. Now turning to our balance sheet. During the quarter, cash flow from operations was $222 million. We returned $49 million to shareholders through dividend payment. Our long-term debt was $4.7 billion. Our gross debt to EBITDA ratio was 3.4 times, and net debt to EBITDA ratio was 3 times. Inventory at the end of the second quarter was $460 million. We amortized $156 million of the in-fine inventory step-up cost in the second quarter due to purchase price accounting. And we anticipate amortizing the remaining balance of $17 million by the end of the third quarter of fiscal 2022. Now turning to our guidance, for the third quarter of fiscal 2022, Please note, this guidance does not include any contributions from the pending acquisition of Innovium. We are forecasting revenue to be in the range of $1.145 billion, plus or minus 3%. We expect our gap growth margin in the range of 46.3% to 48.3%. We project our non-GAAP gross margin will be in the range of 64% to 65%. We project our GAAP operating expenses to be in the range of 584 to 594 million. We anticipate our non-GAAP operating expenses to be in the range of 365 to 370 million. We expect non-GAAP tax rate of 5%. We expect our basic weighted average shares outstanding will be 824 million, and our diluted weighted average shares outstanding will be 841 million. As a result, we anticipate gap loss per share in the range of 10 cents, plus or minus 4 cents. We expect non-gap income diluted share in the range of 38 cents, plus or minus 3 cents. Operator, please open the line and announce Q&A instructions. Thank you.
spk15: We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your touchtone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then 2. In the interest of time, please restrict yourself to one question only. If you have additional questions, please rejoin the queue. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question will come from John Pitzer with Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.
spk02: John Pitzer Yeah, good afternoon, Matt Jean. Thanks for letting me ask the question, and congratulations on the solid results. Matt, relative to your enterprise commentary, you talked about supply constraints impacting the October quarter. I'm wondering when you look at the overall business holistically, where are things relative to the supply side of the equation? Are you still unable to ship to full demand by sort of what amount? And earlier this week, you know, there were some rumors in the popular press of the Foundry guys raising pricing. I'm just kind of curious if you guys have embedded that into your gross margin guidance and how you're thinking about kind of the current inflationary pricing environment. Can you pass that on or is that something that you can't pass on?
spk06: Yeah, great. Hey, thanks, John. So with respect to enterprise, let me just frame it at the whole company level. We are still carrying pretty meaningful levels of delinquency across all of the end markets. As our business has accelerated in terms of top-line growth, which we've been very pleased at, I guess the downside is that the demand has continued to grow. Well, I guess it's a good thing. The demand is growing faster than supply, but we need to catch up. So enterprise is impacted, but so are the other end markets. Although I would say, given the complex nature of our networking products, we're carrying relatively more, you know, we're relatively farther behind there. We were pleased that we were able to have a strong performance in Q2 and catch up because, as you can see, there was a fairly meaningful step up in revenue. Most of that is coming from organic standalone Marvell. There is some contribution from EnFi, but it's not It wasn't large for NFI, so this is all Marvell. In fact, when you look into Q3, in our guidance, it still implies a 30% year-over-year growth rate in enterprise. So we could ship a lot more if we could get the products, and I think you could also view this as another sign that the enterprise business, which we had been saying a quarter or two ago, could be a real tailwind for the company. This business is definitely picking up both at the end market and demand level as well as our own design wins layering in. So we're going to be working hard to increase our revenues here and catch up on the delinquency. On the foundry side and just in general with the pricing environment, But as you recall, there was a lot of commentary at the end of last year and early this year from all the major semiconductor companies relative to the supply chain cost increases that have been occurring on an ongoing basis. And that's everything from foundry to back end to substrates. We said earlier this year we were able to work with our customers And so as you can see in our margin performance, we've been able to work with them to pass that on. We've done that pretty fairly and in a neutral manner. I anticipate as we head into calendar 22 that there will be additional increases across the industry and input cost. And I'm confident as part of Marvell, we're able to work with our customers to, again, neutralize that that impact. But the key focus we have right now, John, is planning our business together, focusing on long-term supply, and making sure that not only can we meet the short-term, but also engage in multiple long-term agreements where we really have much stronger visibility to long-term supply. So that's been the priority for us. That's been the priority for our customers. And I think the pricing has been second at this point.
spk02: Helpful. Thank you.
spk15: Yep. Our next question will come from Ross Seymour with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
spk03: Hi, guys. Thanks for asking the question and echo the congrats on the results. Matt, I want to go a little bit into the carrier business. You talked in your press release about the 5G business accelerating in the third quarter. and then taking a, I think you called it a significant step up again in the fourth quarter. Can you give us just a little bit of a ballpark? How much of your carrier business is that? What's driving that 5G step up? And I guess as kind of the deductive logic, what's driving the step down on the wired side implicit in your fiscal third quarter guide?
spk06: Yeah, great. Thanks, Ross. Yeah. So wireless has performed very well for us historically. As you recall, we had seven straight quarters of sequential growth in our 5G business. That took a pause this past quarter, which we had signaled with the China 5G digestion. And then on the positive side, we see that business re-accelerating and growing in Q3 and then even more in Q4. That's primarily on the back of new design wins that we had achieved several years ago ramping into production. Those geographies that are being serviced through those are primarily non-China. So that's really part of the global rollout, which we're well positioned with our key customers there. So it's a combination of global rollout plus new content kicking in, which we had been signaling for some time. So that's all going well. The balance, as you mentioned, is wired. That business historically wasn't terribly large for Marvell. We picked up some some wired revenue from InFi, really in a coherent franchise, which does link in some ways to the growth of global data traffic. So we feel good going forward about the wired portion. That's the InFi piece. But in general, that business is lumpier. That business also has pretty significant supply constraints around it as well. And so I'd say the traditional Marvell wired business isn't necessarily a growth business. The carrier business over time will be driven by the wireless portion as well as some of the NFI business. And just big round numbers, the wireless portion is roughly half the carrier number and that will grow over time obviously as wire probably stays flat-ish. Without NFI, NFI will grow and then obviously the 5G rollouts will really be what's going to drive the carrier. growth over the next few years.
spk15: Thank you. Our next question will come from Vivek Arya with Bank of America. Please go ahead.
spk01: Thanks for taking my question. Matt, you're guiding Q3 sales up by I think 69, 70 million, you know, 6% or so. Is that really the absolute dollars of supply equivalent that is becoming available? And if that is the case, is that the range of supply dollars that could be available for the next several quarters? So I know you're not guiding more than a quarter out. I'm just trying to get a better sense for how many supply dollars are kind of becoming available for the next handful of quarters, because it seems like that is really what's going to gate what we assume from a growth perspective for you over the next several quarters. And I think part B of that on the 5G side, you alluded to that 5G ramp in Q4. Would that be incremental to that kind of supply available, or do you think that is kind of captured in those dollars? So just trying to get a better sense for what the flex is on the supply side over the next handful of quarters. Thank you.
spk06: Sure, yeah. I mean, I think it's fairly straightforward in terms of how we think about the guidance and just the broader commentary that we gave, which very much comprehends the supply that we see available. And we're obviously been pushing hard to increase that. And I would note we have increased that. If you look even going back to a year ago or more, even at the beginning of calendar 2020, we started growing the company you know, double digits, and that growth rate, you know, for the standalone Marvell has actually accelerated, right? It was in the double-digit range. You know, now you get to the first half of this year. We had 17%, you know, kind of growth both in Q1 and Q2 in the standalone Marvell business. We said that that's going to pick up in Q3, right, more like 20% year over year, and we expect that we can continue going, you know, going at that kind of rate. So we've been actually accelerating our ability to get supply. And then on top of that, we've got Insight kicking in, which has also been able to grow their business meaningfully. So we've been signaling for quite some time to our supply chain and our suppliers that we have needs, and here they are. And so you should expect we're going to keep working on that, and we're going to keep driving the supply higher as available. We've had, I think, a lot of productive discussions and negotiations with our key suppliers, not only for this quarter, next quarter, but next year and even beyond in terms of really lining up where we see our business heading. The advantage I think we have over some of the other industry peers perhaps is that Our product life cycles, Vivek, in data infrastructure are very long. These are typically five, sometimes seven-year life cycles. So we've got very good visibility. And so we're in those discussions right now, both this quarter, next quarter, blocking and tackling, as well as planning our calendar 22, and then even planning out even farther with some long-term agreements we're putting in place. But just to circle back to the main question, yeah, everything we give you is centered around what we can actually supply. There's, like I said, every one of our end markets, we could ship more right now if we could get the parts.
spk15: Our next question will come from Blaine Curtis with Barclays. Please go ahead.
spk05: Hey, good afternoon, and thanks for the question, and thanks for the additional segment guidance. Just curious on, you mentioned another cloud ASIC win, and that can span a lot, storage or DPS, CPUs, networking, and now maybe optical. So I was wondering if you could give any color on that one, or maybe just in general, all these wins that you've had, where you're seeing the most traction across that whole ASIC capability would be helpful.
spk06: Yeah, sure, Blaine. Thanks. Yeah, I'd say just if I frame it more broadly, as you mentioned, the dynamic is that the the ASIC and semi-custom wins that we're getting are across a broad range of applications. So it's all the above. They're everything from compute, ML, AI, networking, storage, and I'm pleased with the breadth. And it's across multiple customers, multiple applications. I believe in my prepared remarks on the one that we just secured was actually in the networking area. So it's in a bunch of different applications. But it's all leveraging fundamentally, Blaine, the 5 nanometer technology platform that we introduced in the summer of 2020, which is leveraging all of the high performance standard Marvell IPs. That's all going very well. And just as a side note on our 5 nanometer programs. We have multiple products now that have taped out this year. We actually have first silicate on 5 nanometer coming back now imminently, and we're very happy with all the benchmarking performance, etc. I'd also say that we're in a strong period of design wind momentum, primarily because we introduced the platform in 2020. There's a whole range now of of RFQs that we've been successful on closing on. And that's not just in the cloud, by the way. We also know that we won an important 5G ASIC just recently. And even across some of our other end markets, we've also secured some very important programs on 5 nanometer. So yeah, so I think over time, what you'll see is a very diverse offering of cloud, of custom and semi-custom sockets across multiple end markets and multiple applications. Thanks Matt.
spk15: Yep. Our next question will come from Taurus Fanberg with Stifel. Please go ahead.
spk11: Yes. Uh, and congrats on the record results. Uh, Matt, you mentioned that 400 ZR is going to be ramping now. Um, is, is that the way it sort of infies a anchor customer or, Are you starting to see ramps with multiple hyperscalers for that particular product? Thank you.
spk06: Yeah, what I'd say, Tori, is on 400ZR, you know, unlike, you know, the initial colors product, which was primarily at one hyperscaler, you know, the engagements are much more broad with 400ZR. And so, you know, I'd say there are, you know, a number of... different design opportunities and wins that are at various stages of trials, qualifications, and production ramps. But we anticipate that 400 ZR will be multi-customer, multi-year, and a very important product cycle for Marvell. But there's one primary customer ramping now, but it's going to continue beyond that.
spk11: Understood. Thank you, Matt.
spk06: Yeah.
spk15: Our next question will come from Harlan Sir with JP Morgan. Please go ahead.
spk14: Good afternoon and congratulations on the strong results in execution. As I look beyond Q3 and the growing demand profile for your products, right, combined with strong product upgrade cycles, you've got 400 gig in your PAM for optical business. As you just mentioned, you're ramping new data center interconnect business on 400 ZR. 5G wireless, as you mentioned, and continued strong demand for your near-lying HDD and enterprise SSD controllers. This would suggest at a high level sequential growth into Q4. Does the team have the supply commitments, both wafers and packaging substrates, to drive quarter-on-quarter growth in Q4 if the backlog supports it?
spk06: Yeah, thanks for the question, Harlan. You know, we do. We see increasing supply, you know, each quarter. Our backlog today and firm purchase orders firmly supports that, plus the supply that comes with it. So we do expect sequential growth in Q4. And as you mentioned, you outlined a number of growth opportunities. This isn't just going to be a Q3, Q4 type of phenomena. Each one of these really carries into our calendar 22 and in many cases accelerates So that's why I said earlier, one of the prior questions, you know, there's blocking and tackling in Q3 and Q4, but we've been really working for the last six months, you know, in detail even longer on how do we line up, you know, continued strong growth in calendar 22, 23, 24, because this is going to be, you know, multi-year and many of these engagements, by the way, are also multi-generational. So we tend to transition from one platform to another and we're going to see that in our 5G business as an example. So, yeah, bottom line is we do have supply lined up, and we're going to keep working hard to make sure we can chunk away at that delinquency. And we're very focused on customer sat at this point. I think that's the main driving force of what we do right now, Harlan, is just make sure that we're not the long pole in the tent, that we're meeting what our customers need, and that we're also planning our business together. And I'm quite pleased with how that cooperation is going. And, you know, I think we have a very, very clear outlook for what we need to go get done in the next few quarters and through next year.
spk14: Thanks, Matt.
spk15: Our next question will come from Serini Pajuri with SNBC NECO Securities. Please go ahead.
spk08: Thank you, Matt. I have a question on the hyperscale business. Obviously, you have several product cycles, you know, 400 gig, 400 ZR, and you also mentioned DPUs. What I'm trying to figure out is that many of your peers are also reporting very strong demand from hyperscale. So trying to understand to what extent your business is mostly structural versus also benefiting from some of the spending increase and the cyclical factors. So as we go through the next few quarters, as I guess some of the cyclical factors slow down, just trying to figure out how we should think about your core business that goes into the hyperscale customers.
spk06: Yeah, I think, Srini, it's both. So clearly, you know, the peer companies are, I mean, there's probably one notable exception, but in general, the peer companies are reporting, you know, very strong growth in hyperscale. So I think that is secular, and I think that's very much happening. You know, if you just look at our organic growth, you know, and you can do the math because you know sort of where NFI was a year ago, it's very, very strong. And in fact, as I look to Q3... It's both growth from InFi, but as you pointed out, it's not just DPUs from Marvell. It's also our networking products. It's our storage products. I mean, we sell a number of product lines. Let's call it 10, maybe 10-plus product lines just going into cloud alone. Almost each one of those is up, even sequentially in Q3. Almost all of them are up. And then if you look at year over year, the growth in our data center business actually – in cloud business from Marvell standalone would actually be even growing faster than the InFi business. And that's all on the basis of new designs and new ramps contributing to that. So I think we've got both. We've got strong secular demand happening in the hyperscale, but it's our own unique cycles, as you mentioned, the transition from NRZ to PAM and 400 gig and 200 gig intra data center, the ramp now of 400 ZR. the attach rate of DPUs, attaching more and more as a percentage to CPUs. And then you've got our own product cycles, whether they're new design wins in DIY storage for Flash. I mean, I could go through the whole list, but I think that's the exciting thing about our portfolio that's very differentiated in the semiconductor industry relative to the hyperscale accounts is we have so many product lines, very unique, and very differentiated, both in the silicon and the software and firmware we provide. And, you know, we're just at the early stages in some of these, quite frankly, in terms of the ramp cycle. So, you know, when you look at the guide, you know, we're going to be, you know, obviously our guide for data center is about 2x the rate of growth for the whole company, just from Q2 to Q3. And certainly we have very strong expectations heading into next year on the data center.
spk15: Got it.
spk08: Very helpful. Thanks, Matt.
spk15: Yep. Our next question will come from Ambrish Surivastava with BMO. Please go ahead.
spk07: Hi. Thank you very much. Matt and Gene, on gross margin, despite all the input costs, you have been able to keep it to the higher end of the long term. And, Matt, you made a comment about next year kind of expecting additional input, not additional, ongoing input cost increase So should we expect gross margin to kind of stay in the higher end of the range like you're guiding to, or is there an offset? And I do realize that there's a product mix impact as well. So just please help us understand how we should think about the overall gross margin.
spk10: Hey, I'm Bresh. This is Jin. Yes, first of all, we're very pleased with our strong Q2 gross margin performance. And I think one of the things we discussed in the past is that the primary driver of our gross margin is really a product mix. And what we have been doing with the customers, as Matt mentioned, is we're working with the customers to really try to minimize the impact from all the input cost increase. But overall, If you think about the product portfolio we have in data center, as Matt just mentioned earlier, and also enterprise in Q2, we see our enterprise business, networking business growing 27% sequentially. all those significant performance on the product portfolio and the revenue side actually are very favorable to our growth margin. Fundamentally, it's a reflection of our investment and the IP. So I don't think that will change because we continue to innovate, continue to invest to drive the portfolio and the top-line revenue growth. So we're going to be in the range, and we'll continue to work with customers to set priorities for and to make sure we meet the customer's need first, and then definitely we want to make sure our operating model continues to leverage to expand operating profit going forward.
spk07: Got it, Jean. So we should assume at the higher end of the long-term rate, right?
spk10: given how the product mix is shifting more towards... The range is the product mix, because we have a five-end market, quarter over quarter, you're going to see the variability of the mix change. Frankly, it's what we discussed, 64 to 65, that range is potentially you are going to see in the long term.
spk07: Got it. Thank you, Jane.
spk15: Our next question will come from Joe Moore with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
spk12: Great. Thank you. We appreciate the additional revenue classifications and the color there. I'm curious how you're thinking about building the development team. Are you going to focus on these end markets more? Or I noticed there are storage controllers, I think, going into four of the five segments. So are you going to maintain vertical market focus on storage and then have kind of a go-to-market? How should we think about this In fact, not just the way we see your business, but how you're seeing it internally.
spk06: Yeah, thanks for the question, Joe. Actually, it's pretty insightful. So we're a product company. We're a technology company. We're organized by business units. We have divisions, business units, and product lines. And each of those is really responsible for driving technical excellence in everything they do, product differentiation roadmap. And that's going to continue. What I would say, though, is when I look at my level and when we look at, and this has been consistent for five years, I had a philosophy when I became CEO, which was that the semiconductor companies that adopted a market-based approach relative to looking at the R&D investment profile across its portfolio, those companies that made that shift were going to have the biggest lever going forward. I mean, I'm just I preach it internally all the time, which is the market always wins. And so we had an era when I started in the industry, which was you just did parts. As many parts as you can, put them out in a data book, see who buys the parts. Best part wins. There was a shift to, hey, go focus on customers. Find a customer, sell them a basket of products. But in the end, it's really the end market orientation and concentration which ultimately drives your business. And those, the shifting that mix is like one of the hardest things to do in business, okay? You know, you can sort of shift your product line, you can move some investment around, but to get it to flow through to the P&L is really tough. And so I think one of the things when you just take a 30,000 foot view, Joe, of what we've accomplished in the last five years, you know, consumer when I joined was probably 70 to 80% of the revenue, right? It's 15. I think the total contribution from, cloud and 5G and auto was, if it was 75 million bucks a year, we'd be lucky, okay? It's like doing, you know, it's in the billions range today. So that's really where I've been taking the firm over the last five years through the M&A, through all the investments, through the R&D changes we've made so that we can achieve an end market mix that really meets our long-term strategy. And we're not there yet. I think we're pleased we've sort of unveiled this thing. We're 40% in data center. We're 20% in carrier. We're 20% in enterprise. We've got this automotive thing that's growing really fast. So that concentration now in where we want to be is very high. But the key focus areas like cloud, 5G, and auto, those are going to continue to increase as a percentage of our total So maybe a longer answer, Joe. We organize by business unit, but we run the company and ultimately the capital allocation framework ultimately around the end market and even where's the R&D going. And it's a very rigorous process we have internally. And you can see the results over the last five years of what we've been able to accomplish with that framework.
spk12: Very helpful. Thank you.
spk15: Yep. Our next question will come from Toshi Yahari with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
spk17: Thanks for taking my question. Congrats on the solid results. Matt, I realize it's still a relatively small portion of your business, but you talked about your automotive business exceeding $100 million in annualized run rate in Q3. I was hoping you could speak to the breadth of that business today in terms of product, technology, customer mix, and I guess more importantly, based on the DesignWin pipeline you have in front of you today, how are you thinking about the growth rate going forward in that business? Thank you.
spk06: Yeah, great. Thanks for the question. So the business today has been squarely focused in this pretty radical change that's happened over the last few years with the internal networks of the car moving to Ethernet-based products and packet-based networking. and that's for a number of reasons. The design wins we have today are extremely broad, and we've got something like 24, 20 to 24 car OEMs, not models, not individual products, but the actual OEMs themselves who are adopting Marvell Ethernet technology. In many cases, they've elected to go sole source with us in those engagements, primarily to ensure interoperability because as you add more and more ECUs and modules inside the car that you want to hook up via Ethernet. You actually want to make sure that the link is highly reliable. We have wins both with the established leading tier one, call it top 10 car OEMs, but also a very strong position in the emerging challengers, all the EV startups, which When you add it all up, and of course, Tesla is a big portion, a big part of the number, but there's like $700, $800 billion worth of market cap tied up in new emerging EV entrants. So we've got sort of the new guys that are designing our stuff in. That's a call option on growth. And then we have the established players as well. Relative to the financial potential, we've said that we believe it's going to be about a billion-dollar market over the next few years. And at our analyst day, we gave line of sight to this being a multi-hundred million dollar type of business. The business has accelerated. We had signaled last year that we were hoping to get to $25 million a quarter exiting the year. We guided now that we're going to get there in Q3. And this business has got tremendous momentum. And you can look at the the data we provided now to see how far that business has come over the last seven, eight quarters. Most of that growth that you see has been driven by the automotive contribution. So it's a big opportunity and I think that ultimately that billion dollar market, you go out 10 years, it'll be probably two billion. And we obviously hope we can get a big share of that. So it's a big opportunity and I think the last point I would make is that it's really an entry now because it's such a key part of the car architecture that we're very, very focused now on applications outside of Ethernet. So compute applications, additional networking products, security, and storage. And we've really proven ourselves. Final point, we've shipped millions and millions of units now into cars. They're on the road. We're running at an astonishing 1 DPPM type of quality rate or actually less. In fact, the most recent update I got is we were in the 8, 900 ppb, which I can tell you having a lot of experience in the automotive market, it's really hard to get under one. And these products have been engineered extremely well. We put in place a world-class automotive flow. So we can leverage that, Toshi, for many other Marvell technologies and products outside of Ethernet. And you should expect to hear more from us on this in the future.
spk17: Great. Thank you for the details.
spk15: Our next question will come from Gary Mobley with Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead.
spk13: I had a couple questions for Gene. Gene, I would assume that you're in sort of the sweet spot of the OpEx synergy realization from the InFi acquisition. You're guiding for roughly 1 million sequential growth in non-GAAP OpEx for the third quarter. And so just given, you know, all the different moving pieces in, you know, your investments and the synergies to be realized from NFI, is it realistic to think that you could see fourth quarter OPEX drop sequentially and then eventually, you know, tick back up in the first quarter per your usual, you know, first year increases? And then for the non-GAAP tax rate, if I'm not mistaken, your expectation is for it to increase going forward. Should we think about that, maybe one to 200 basis point annual increases going forward? Thank you.
spk10: Maybe the easy one first. On the non-GAAP tax rate for next year, you probably can just model about 6% because we do have a lot of tax deductions as part of merger with INFI. So that's the assumption you can model. On the OPEX right, our team did a great job to integrate the one ERP one quarter ahead of time. So if you look at the synergy achievement, we outlined the last quarter. We basically achieved the one ERP one quarter earlier, so the OPEX came off earlier. in Q2, and then Q3 guidance, frankly, as I said earlier, we do see the pattern of synergy achievement just exactly the same as we outlined last quarter. So Q4, typically, you know, there are variabilities of OPEX. I think I will leave it to you to model it, but from our perspective, we are quite confident to achieve the infi synergy. At the same time, the seasonality of OPEX in Q1, you are absolutely right. Typically, Q1, because of payroll tax, the OPEX will step up. I just want to make sure, right, the team at Marvell is very thoughtful in managing OPEX, but at the same time, increase investment to drive the long-term revenue growth, especially given the tremendous opportunities we have ahead of us. We are going to make sure we invest, but at the same time, we're always going to drive revenue growth significantly higher than the OPEX growth.
spk15: Thanks, Jean. Our next question will come from Chris Caso with Raymond James. Please go ahead.
spk16: Yes, thank you. Good evening. The question is just a clarification of what concluded in the new segmentation specifically for data center. And I think your comments that more than half of that business was cloud-based. What's the other half? Is that more in the area of campus networking, if you can clarify that? And maybe you could talk to the relative growth rates of cloud versus the non-cloud that you're expecting within the data center segment going forward.
spk10: Maybe I'll try to, yeah. I'll give you the definition, then Matt can add. On the on-premise data center, that's part of the data center. It's really... Frankly, it's our, some of the HDD business, fiber channel business, and the networking business. It's on-premise data center, but the modern half, it's actually cloud data center. Matt can add more.
spk06: Yeah, sure. So think of this as our traditional industry standard servers, host bus adapter cards, enterprise NICs, things like that. So that business historically has been pretty flat. And just to clarify, the campus networking products, that's in enterprise networking. That moves to the enterprise line. So we've gone through pretty carefully and just figured out what our revenue concentration is, specifically in the enterprise on-prem side. So that, we assume, is going to be a flattish business. It's been a flattish business. It'll have its ups and downs here and there. all the growth is going to come from cloud. And so, as we mentioned, it's over half of the revenue today. And even if you look to Q3, the acceleration and growth you see is coming from that portion. And we expect the cloud to be probably one of the biggest growth drivers of the whole company over the next few years. I mean, cloud alone is larger than... carrier, larger than enterprise, larger than consumer, it's larger than anything else, just on its own if you had it as its own line item. And that should continue to see very outsized growth for the foreseeable future.
spk12: Thank you. Yep.
spk15: Our final question will come from Quinn Bolton with Needham & Company. Please go ahead. Pardon me, Quinn, your line might be muted.
spk06: Barely, Quinn.
spk04: Sorry, can you hear me now? Yes, there you go. Okay. Sorry about that. Matt was just going to ask on the 400ZR ramp, how much of that business for Marvell will be optical modules, complete modules, versus just selling DSPs to other module vendors. And the reason I ask is if you look at your market share sort of by DSP, what share do you think you may ultimately achieve in the ZR market if you're just kind of counting DSPs?
spk06: Yeah, I think you're asking some great questions. Let me give you maybe a higher level view. And then we've got, as we mentioned, our analyst day coming up in October. where you're going to be able to hear actually from the various executives running these groups. And they'll talk in a lot more detail about sort of the questions you're asking. That's fairly specific. But at the highest level, 400 ZR is going to be a combination of both modules as well as standalone DSPs. The team has lined up a number of partners. both for the ZR application, ZR+, there's an open version of that, and then there's also applications for this that are not DCI, right, that are actually in the carrier market. And so there's a broad opportunity here, Quinn, besides just, hey, we take the one hyperscaler we had, we move into 400 ZR, and then it's done. It's not that at all. And the initial ramp we are seeing is based on modules. We're continuing to be committed to that. That's a good business for us. But the InFi team, I think, has done a great job of lining up a broader ecosystem set of partners to drive DSP sales as well. So we'll give more color on those dynamics when we get into the investor day and we start talking more about our products and our technologies. Great.
spk04: Thank you, Matt.
spk06: Yeah, you're welcome.
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