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spk00: Good morning, and welcome to the Matrix Service Company conference call to discuss results from the fourth quarter of fiscal 2024. Currently, all participants are on a listen-only mode. Later, we conduct a question-and-answer session, and instructions will be given at that time. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to today's host, Ms. Kelly Smyth, Senior Director of Investor Relations for Matrix Service Company.
spk07: Thank you, Justin. Good morning and welcome to Matrix Service Company's fourth quarter fiscal 2024 earnings call. Participants on today's call include John Hewitt, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Kevin Kavanaugh, Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. The presentation materials referred to during the webcast today can be found under events and presentations on the investor relations section of MatrixServiceCompany.com. As a reminder on today's call, we may make various remarks about future expectations, plans, and prospects for a matrix service company that constitute forward-looking statements for the purposes of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Actual results may differ materially from those indicated by these forward-looking statements because of various factors, including those discussed in our most recent annual report on Form 10-K, and in subsequent filings made by the company with the SEC. To the extent we utilize non-GAAP measures, reconciliations will be provided in various press releases, periodic SEC filings, and on our website. Related to investor conferences and corporate access opportunity, Matrix will be participating at the upcoming D.A. Davidson 23rd Annual Diversified Industrials and Service Conference in Nashville, Tennessee, September 18th through the 20th. If you would like additional information on this event or would like to have a conversation with management, I invite you to contact me through Matrix Service Company, Investor Relations website. Before I turn the call over to John, I want to acknowledge that tomorrow marks the 23rd anniversary of 9-11 and the terrorist attacks that took place in New York at the US Pentagon and on Flight 93. 2,977 people died because of those acts and thousands more were injured. Among them, the first responders who sacrificed their own safety to save others. As we begin our call today, I'd like for us to remember them and our veterans who, because of this event, actively engaged in the war on terrorism that we still fight today. It is through their actions and sacrifice that all of us are kept safe. As we remember them, I also ask that each of us contemplate the fact that except for extraordinary events like 9-11, Through our own behaviors and actions, we have the ability and the responsibility to protect the physical and mental safety of ourselves and those around us. I will now turn the call over to John.
spk05: Thank you, Kelly, for this important message about sacrifice, safety, and the leadership to keep others safe. Our actions and behaviors matter. Please choose to own safety for yourself as well as those around you. I'd also like to personally thank our nation's military, and first responders, past and present, for their unwavering commitment and service to protecting all of us. As we close out fiscal 2024, our fourth quarter represented an important inflection point for our business. We advanced work on multiple large projects during the quarter, which contributed to meaningful cash generation to close out the fiscal year. As we have seen through the course of fiscal 2024, project performance in the fourth quarter continued to be strong. We fully expect that as revenues improve into fiscal 2025, so will the absorption of construction overhead costs. Backlog has increased by more than 30% on a year-over-year basis. We added $176 million in new project awards in the fourth quarter, bringing total awards for the year to $1.1 billion and a book-to-bill of $1.5. And our opportunity pipeline continues to have significant strength particularly in storage and storage-related facilities, which we expect to continue adding to backlog in the new fiscal year. These factors, combined with our strategic changes to the organization and already booked multi-year projects, which are beginning to ramp up, give us visibility into revenue growth and improved profitability in 2025 and beyond. The key megatrends that are driving the demand for our services provide healthy long-term tailwinds for our business and continue to be a catalyst for infrastructure investment for LNG, NGLs, ammonia, hydrogen, and other renewable fuels, providing significant opportunity across each of our reporting segments. As we enter fiscal 2025 in our storage and terminal solution segment, activity was robust in the quarter, as we advanced work on a large backup fuel supply facility and a boil-off gas compressor project at an LNG storage facility in the southeast. We also added another Gulf Coast NGL storage project to backlog, where we are already executing on several other NGL storage projects. In addition, our teams are currently pursuing approximately $3.2 billion of near-term projects supporting LNG, NGLs, ammonia, hydrogen, and other products. our utility and power infrastructure segment the need for system reliability and resilience is driving investments in utility generation and electrical infrastructure to meet power demand during peak periods as well as transmission and distribution substation and other system upgrades to support the energy load growth including energy intensive data centers again our expertise in all things lng terminals and related infrastructure have positioned Matrix as a leader in meeting demand for LNG peak shaving. Specifically, in the fourth quarter, we continued work on two LNG peak shaving facilities along the East Coast, one of which is well underway, while on the other we've broken ground and are beginning civil work. Our team is also pursuing more than $1.2 billion in near-term projects in the utility and power infrastructure space in support of system reliability and resilience, including an additional LNG peak shaver, and multiple upgrades as well as substations, transmission distribution systems, and other infrastructure. Within our process and industrial facility segment, the clean energy transition is supporting project investment along with continued demand for traditional hydrocarbon and other industrial infrastructure. Of note, in the quarter, we completed work on a two-year refinery retrofit project on the West Coast for renewable diesel that grew in scope through the life of the project due to the quality of work of our team. We advanced work on a new state-of-the-art thermal vacuum chamber. An existing refinery extended our multi-year contract for providing embedded turnaround and plant services, maintenance, and repair work. And we were awarded a refinery turnaround for another long-standing client. We are currently pursuing $1.7 billion in near-term projects in this segment in multiple end markets, including natural gas, chemicals, petrochemicals, and mining minerals. Overall, our opportunity pipeline remains strong at $6.1 billion, a key indicator of the strength across end markets and the ability to continue our long-term trend of backlog growth. As we have previously communicated, we expect the trend in our backlog to continue at a ratio of 1-0 or greater on an annual basis. We keep this opportunity list, which contains projects we have bid, are bidding, and will bid, updated monthly. While there can be movement in and out of this pipeline for various reasons, the long-term volume of opportunities has been stable, and we expect that to continue. In general, the opportunities we are currently pursuing are expected to be bid and awarded within the next 12 to 18 months. Once awarded, many of these projects will require an 18 to 30-month timeframe to complete. As a reminder, this does not include smaller capital projects and maintenance activities performed on our MSAs or individual contracts that lay the foundation for many parts of the business while supporting our strong customer relationships. As our profitability and free cash flow conversion improve, we will continue to prioritize maintaining that lean balance sheet and a strong liquidity position to support the growth of our business. Matrix is indeed at a critical turning point following several years of low revenue that began with the energy demand destruction during the pandemic and was followed by a protracted period with a limited number of projects available in our core markets were bid in a highly competitive environment. During this time, we meaningfully transformed the company to focus on the end markets that present the best opportunities, set our unique capabilities, and are supported by strong macroeconomic and industrial drivers. We streamlined the organization with a focus on reducing costs, enhancing project execution, and building backlogs. We began fiscal 2025 with a backlog of $1.4 billion and, as noted, a $6.1 billion opportunity pipeline. Finding continued strong project execution with accelerating revenues, a conversion of backlog, we believe the company is now on a trajectory of upward growth and profitability. Our visibility into this upward trajectory is significantly clearer today given the schedule status of our portfolio of projects. That said, The business will always be impacted by the timing of awards and starts, which is dependent upon market fundamentals, our clients' decision-making, and the regulatory environment in which they operate. In consideration of all these factors, our revenue guidance for fiscal 2025 is between $900 and $950 million, which represents a year-over-year increase of 24% to 30%. As I mentioned, the projects that support our outlook for 2025 are in the early stages and will continue to ramp up as we progress through the year. Given the estimated cadence of project activity during the year, we expect to recognize improved profitability as revenue increases. The year will have a slow start with the impact of the summer months, as well as the recent completion of the large renewable diesel project noted earlier. Once we get past the first quarter, revenue growth should accelerate through the remainder of the year, along with the associated operating results. Considering many of these projects will contribute to revenue for up to three years and the strong opportunity pipeline the company is positioned for improved operating performance to extend into fiscal year 2026 and beyond. During this period of growth, we are committed to upholding the highest standards of safety, quality, and service. We will stay focused on our strategy, maintain a strong balance sheet, and deliver outstanding quality service to our customers. Doing so will allow us to take advantage of the opportunities we see in the market and support our long-term growth objectives. With that, I'll turn the call over to Kevin.
spk03: Thank you, John. The results for the fourth quarter were in line with our expectations. As anticipated, revenue improved from the third quarter, increasing 14% to $189 million. We have previously discussed that the growth in our backlog has been fueled by long-term construction projects. which have an inherent lag between the time a project is awarded and when it begins to translate to revenue. These contracts make up a significant portion of our backlog and are just now beginning to benefit revenue. We expect that trend to continue in fiscal 2025. As John mentioned, the year will have a slow start. Once we get past the first quarter, revenue growth should accelerate through the remainder of the year, driven by the storage and terminal solutions and utility and power infrastructure segments. I will discuss revenue trends further when I get to the segment discussion. Project execution was strong in the quarter, particularly in the process and industrial facility segment. While consolidated revenue increased, the company still has under-recovered construction overheads, which impacted the gross margin by over 400 basis points, resulting in a gross margin of 6.6%. Moving down the income statement, SG&A was $17.3 million in the quarter, which is in line with our targeted levels. For the fourth quarter of fiscal 2024, we had a net loss of $4.4 million, or $0.16 for a fully diluted share. Now for the operating segments. In the storage and terminal solutions segment, revenue increased 30% to $70 million as work began on previously awarded specialty vessel projects, compared to $54 million in the third quarter. We expect this trend to continue as we move through fiscal 2025, resulting in significant revenue growth. Gross margin was 3.1% in the quarter as margins were impacted by under-recovered construction overhead costs as a result of the low revenue and allocation of more construction resources to this segment to support the large backlog. We expect revenue growth will eliminate the negative impact of this issue as we move through fiscal 2025. In the utility and power infrastructure segment, Fourth quarter revenue increased over 40% to $65 million as compared to the third quarter. The growth was driven by increased activity on previously awarded peak shaver projects. As we get through the seasonally slow first quarter, we expect the growth trend to continue through the remainder of fiscal 2025. Overall, we are expecting significant revenue growth for the utility and power infrastructure segment in fiscal 2025. That growth will be driven by by peak shareable projects. We also continue to focus on the power delivery business, which has experienced a softer market in the northeastern geographic areas we serve. Our operations and business development leadership is expanding the footprint and client base to address this softness with the goal of improving revenues in this market over the next few quarters. Gross margin was 4.2% in the fourth quarter, as margins were impacted by under-recovered construction overhead costs due to the low revenue in the power delivery business and allocation of additional resources to support the large peak shaver backlog. As we move through fiscal 2025, we expect higher revenue levels to allow for full recovery of construction overhead costs. In the process and industrial facility segment, fourth quarter revenue decreased 17% to $54 million as compared to the third quarter. As John noted, during the fourth quarter, the company successfully completed a large renewable diesel project. This project highlights the application of our traditional energy capabilities to renewable projects. The prospects in the process and industrial facility segment are strong and include refining, natural gas, chemicals and petrochemicals, and mining of minerals. We expect substantially lower revenue for this segment over the next couple of quarters due to the combination of seasonality, timing on the kickoff of previously awarded projects, and the award cycle for new projects. We believe this reduction in revenue is temporary, given a strong opportunity pipeline and backlog of $252 million, including a significant gas processing construction project that is expected to commence in late fiscal 2025. The segment gross margin in the fourth quarter was significantly higher than normal expectations at 15.4%, due to overall strong project execution across the entire portfolio of projects. Now let's discuss the balance sheet and liquidity. Our balance sheet continued to strengthen during the fourth quarter as we generated $47 million in cash from operations, increasing our year-end cash balance 48% in the quarter to $141 million. This cash increase also drove a 26% increase in liquidity to $170 million, our debt position remains zero. We will continue to proactively manage the balance sheet and have the financial strength and liquidity needed to support the significant revenue growth we are anticipating in fiscal 2025. Before I turn the call back to John, I want to take a minute for a high-level recap. First, our backlog increased 31% on $1.1 billion in awards. This is the second consecutive year that the company exceeded $1 billion in project awards. This current backlog of $1.4 billion supports our 10% to 12% consolidated gross margin range. The company also continues to have a robust funnel of future opportunities. Our revenue was $728 million in fiscal 2024 and impacted primarily by delays in converting project awards into active projects. With many of those projects now having commenced, we believe the backlog and opportunity funnel we have supports significant revenue growth in fiscal 2025 and beyond. The company successfully improved project execution during fiscal 2024, with all three segments producing direct gross margins, approaching our consolidated target range of 10 to 12%. The issue for margin performance in fiscal 2024 was related to the recovery of construction overheads, which impacted gross margins by almost 400 basis points primarily as a result of the timing of backlog conversion to revenue. Our visibility into higher future revenue provides the company confidence the overhead recovery issue will be significantly diminished in fiscal 2025. The company continues discipline cost structure management with the goal of limiting cost growth to the capture and execution of projects to the extent possible. This will allow for the leverage of the cost structure. And finally, the company's balance sheet and liquidity is strong, and supports the anticipated revenue growth. In summary, the company expects revenue of $900 to $950 million in fiscal 2025. We believe the combination of revenue growth together with continued focus on execution excellence and the leverage of our cost structure will allow us to return to profitability in the fiscal year and make significant progress towards the achievement of our long-term financial targets. I'll now turn the call back to John.
spk05: Thank you, Kevin. As mentioned, our fourth quarter represented an important turning point for what has been a challenging period for the company. With clear visibility into revenue growth and improved profitability in 2025 and beyond, we continue to advance our growth strategy for creating long-term shareholder value. In closing, I'm deeply grateful for the hard work, innovation, and commitment of our employees, for their continued confidence placed in us by our clients, whose loyalty inspires us to push the boundaries of excellence and every critical infrastructure project we undertake. And for you, our shareholders, we remain committed to Matrix Service Company. With that, I'll open the call for questions.
spk00: And thank you. As a reminder to ask a question, please press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. One moment for our first question. And our first question comes from John Franz Reb from Sedodian Company. Your line is now open.
spk04: Good morning, everyone, and thanks for taking the questions. I'd actually like to start with the gross margins that you reported in the quarter. I guess I want to start with the good. Can you talk a little bit about why the process gross margin was so outstanding at 15.4% in the quarter, and how does that look like on a go-forward basis?
spk03: So the fourth quarter performance in the process industrial facility segment was extremely strong. And what we saw was just about every operating unit in that segment significantly exceed normal performance. So that's the result of strong execution throughout all phases of projects, from the start of projects through the closeout of projects. Normally, you know, that's... That's not the case where everything just is working on like clockwork. I think the long-term, our expectations for that segment are to get consistently 9% to 11% gross margins. Remember, this segment includes a lot of reimbursable activity. And so the mix of work in the quarter, the reimbursable refinery maintenance activity wasn't as high as it normally is. so that also contributed to the higher margins in the quarter.
spk04: Got it. And on a go-forward basis, when we think about the gross margin profile, are the jobs that we're executing now on, are they back to normalized gross margins, or are there still some jobs that you'll be delivering that are still under recovery of absorbed costs?
spk03: So if you look at the portfolio of projects we've got today, we're past those issues where we had, you know, unusually competitively bid margins. You know, the projects we've been adding the last 18, 24 months are in that historical range for the most part, that historical 10% to 12% range. Now, there will certainly be projects we – We strategically bid a little more aggressively to get either win that project for various reasons, including maybe it's we want to expand our relationship with a client. And then there's always a mix of projects. You get into smaller projects. There may be a higher level of competition, more people that are capable of doing that work. And so you may have to be a little more aggressive on that type of work versus versus larger projects. But I would say we're back to a normal, overall normal mix of work that supports the margins we expect.
spk04: Understood. As we think about the cadence of revenue recognition in the coming year, it seems two things to me. One, we're looking at a sizable uptick in the storage business. Is that the case? And is that completely weighted in the second half of the year? And secondly, that it looks like the process is going to probably be at a lower diminished level through much of 2025. Am I reading that right?
spk03: Yeah, so for storage, I mean, if you think about it, we've got close to $800 million of backlog for that segment. Those projects are in their early stages and commencing, and so we expect significant growth in that segment, and it should trend that way throughout the entire year. So it should start out the first quarter strong and continue to grow as the year progresses. Now, on the process and industrial facilities segment, We are kind of in a lag period here. We just completed a significant project that we talked about a couple of times in the script. And we're in a traditionally summer months, which are slower for refinery. And then we've got backlog projects that don't start until later in fiscal 25. So the first couple of quarters of this for that segment are going to be pretty low. So we expect a substantial decrease in the first half of the year, and then you'll see it start to pick up again in the third and fourth quarters.
spk04: Okay. You know what? With that, I'll give it up and get back into queue. Thank you, guys.
spk00: Thank you. And if you have a question, that is star 11. Again, if you have a question, that is star 11. And one moment for our next question.
spk02: And our next question comes from Brent Thielman from DA Davidson.
spk00: Your line is now open.
spk06: Hey, thanks. Good morning. We just wanted to follow up just thinking of a good morning. Just want to follow up on just kind of the sequencing of that revenue as we work through fiscal 2025. Appreciate the revenue guidance, by the way. But sounds like maybe you're expecting still some more difficult or challenging kind of year-on-year compares in the first fiscal quarter. but your revenue did grow in this fourth quarter relative to the third quarter, so it seems like things are picking up for you. Would you expect some sequential revenue growth into the first fiscal quarter?
spk03: No, I think it's, you know, there's a couple things working against that from happening. First of all, you've got summer month activity for both the power delivery business and the refining business, and then secondly, we've got the completion of the large project that we have in the process industrial facility segment. Surely that's offset somewhat by growth in storage, particularly in the first quarter, but I think overall I wouldn't expect growth and maybe a little bit lower in the first quarter.
spk02: Got it.
spk06: And then John, I guess, I mean, just back to the electrical delivery business. I mean, all we hear is about investment and what needs to happen to the grid. So it's a bit surprising still to hear some challenges in that business. Maybe if you could just talk through that, what's the challenge there with those particular customers? And then, you know, how quickly do you think we can get this business back on a better footing just with some of the actions you're taking to refocus with some new customers?
spk05: Yeah, so our electrical infrastructure business is in a fairly tight geography as you compare that to the entire United States. And so we've got some long-term clients that we work for in there, both on contract or choice arrangements, MSAs, and projects that we bid. And I think what we're seeing by some of those principal clients is they're spending patterns, which happens, it seems to happen in cycles for a lot of our clients, is down a little bit. The size of the projects are smaller. You know, the competitive set continues to be challenging that we deal with. So our teams over the last six months, you know, we've seen this trend start restarting again. And so if we're continuing, you know, we continue to you know, to focus in the Northeast, but expand our footprint in the Northeast into other areas, into other, uh, uh, client geographies and where we're seeing, you know, larger capital spend and transmission distribution and substation work. And so, you know, we've been in a process there where we're, you know, working on and, and, um, developing those relationships and getting into that bidding cycle with those clients. So that work is ongoing. We're seeing some great fruit there on the opportunities that are forwarding themselves to our business. In addition, there's a lot of industrial electrical work in that region that we work in, whether those are in power generating facilities or data centers, hit stream work,
spk01: LNG facility upgrades.
spk05: And so we're actively attacking those markets as well to work to expand our business. So, you know, it's going to take some time, but I think over the next two, three quarters, we're going to see some more strength return into our electrical infrastructure business. And we're continuing to look at new geographies for that business. You know, we have been... I've been active in the Ohio Valley, but I think there's opportunities for us there to expand that footprint into that region of the country as well. So we think long-term, the electrical piece of our business is a growth element, and it's an important part of our business moving out into the future. We're going to continue to work from a business development and a resource standpoint to find avenues to grow that business.
spk06: Yep, understood. And John, maybe just one more. I mean, a lot of conversations, obviously, about, you know, the demand consumption of data centers on the power grid, on power in general. You know, as you're looking at your pipeline of prospects, six plus billion dollars, are you starting to identify projects that may be associated with meeting those needs, particularly serving the power sector?
spk05: Yeah, absolutely. So, I mean, you know, our projects, Initial work related to data centers would certainly be in the transmission distribution work and the connection of a data center into a local grid system. We did a fairly sizable project for a client in Pennsylvania a couple of years ago. We finished where we connected it, put the substation in, did all the grid interconnect, There continues to be some opportunities out there that's driving some of our opportunity pipeline. I think the other thing we're seeing there is with this huge demand that data centers themselves are creating for power, these data centers need continuous guaranteed power. They need to be able to they need to be able to guarantee to their clients that they're going to be able to have their systems up and running no matter what. And so the other thing we're starting to see is more small-scale power-generating turbines put in at data center sites, LNG and or hydrogen backup fuel for their individual power generation on those aeroderivative turbines. So all that work is work that fits within our skill sets, whether it's installation of those turbines, certainly all the electrical work, certainly anything related with LNG and hydrogen infrastructure that needs to put in to service that backup power supply for those data centers. So there's more there than just building the data center and connecting it to the grid. And so we think those opportunities are going to be growing out into the future, and we're really well-situated to take advantage of that.
spk02: Excellent.
spk00: Thank you, guys. And thank you. And we have a follow-up question. One moment, please. And our follow-up question comes from John Franz Reb from Sedodian Company. Your line is now open.
spk04: Yeah. I got a question about you called out the opportunity pipeline doesn't include service revenue or jobs less than $5 million. I'm just curious what percentage of, say, fiscal 2024's revenue is that service component and smaller, maybe we would characterize as book-in-turn business. And is that a normal run rate or is that abnormally high or low? I just want to put that in context.
spk05: I mean, we traditionally, our business runs in the 40% book and burn maintenance activity, 60% lump sum projects. And those could be lump sum projects from anywhere from, you know, five to 10 million up to 300 million. So that mix in that portfolio generally runs in the 40, 60 kind of range. I would say today, because of the The size of our lump sum portfolio spread across our storage business and spread across our UPI business, that's probably more like 30-70, what that looks like. And so good news for that is it's more sustainable revenue for us long term, and it helps to drive better consolidated margins.
spk04: Got it. And I also noticed in the presentation, and this might be just me, I don't know, nitpicking, but you changed the characterization of the opportunity pipeline, kind of reported it on a segment basis as opposed to like a more granular breakdown by end markets. Any particular reason why?
spk05: Well, we report to business in our segments and we were trying to provide some, you know, the past couple of years trying to provide some color on our, uh, the work that we're doing that's in this energy transition mode, uh, to give investors the opportunity to see, you know, what our impact was there. And so we just generally kind of just generally felt that, you know, Hey, maybe it's just time to go back to our, how we report our, the rest of the business in our segments. And, um, so that, that was really the, really the main, our main thinking. When we did that, nothing subversive, John.
spk04: Fair enough. Can you just talk a little bit about the competitive landscape? Are you seeing any changes in the pricing environment, either one way or the other?
spk05: No, I think competitive landscape still lays itself out like it normally does for us. The smaller projects, the reimbursable stuff. You know, there continues to be a highly competitive market out there. I wouldn't say it's gotten better or worse. It's sort of, I'd say, back to normal. But as the project sizes get larger, as the type of projects in storage with our specialty vessel were connected into full facilities, the competitive set drops significantly as those projects increase. uh get get not only get larger but the fact that those are the kind of projects that are out there where you've got a mix of especially storage with uh facility infrastructure wrapped around it and and i think that's that's an important point for us that those projects are back and they allow those projects allow a much better margins better risk profile journey that the people we compete against in those projects which is is probably less than a handful they don't you know they don't do stupid stuff and so to to drive the risk in those jobs you know outside or something that that any one of us think we control so it's just a better it's a better landscape i think because those projects on a lot of these storage and upi projects
spk04: Okay, and one last question. Just only because I've recently heard this, and this topic hasn't come up in a while. Can you give us an update on your thoughts of the hydrogen market? Only because I just recently heard it come back in vogue a little bit. What are you hearing there, John?
spk05: Yeah, I think, I mean, for me, I still think hydrogen is going to be, out into the future, is going to be part of the global fuel mix. I think, you know, it could be as most things is most things across through the social media, I don't think it's, we're going to be a hundred percent hydrogen economy in the future, but I think it's going to be part of the fuel mix. And I think that, you know, we're going to have, we have an opportunity to play a role in building that infrastructure with our, especially vessel capabilities, our cryogenic capabilities, ability to wrap an infrastructure around that. You know, we're continuing to see, opportunities in feed studies, preliminary engineering work for various hydrogen projects. I think to some extent a little bit got slowed down with how the Federal Infrastructure Act was legislated related to the credits that were coming out of that act and the need for renewable fuel to power the hydrogen facilities. And so I think that's kind of set back some of the people that were focused on that. We're also related to hydrogen and the other work we do. One of the changes that we made when we sort of reorganized our business development group and our focus on our markets was to be cautious about developers. developer-led projects. And so we're much more focused on long-term clients, blue-chip clients, clients that have balance sheets, whether those utilities or energy companies or industrial companies. And so there's been a fair amount of activity here over the last couple of years of developer-type hydrogen projects, and we're pretty cautious today about our interaction with developers.
spk01: Got it. Understood. Thanks for the clarity and the additional color.
spk00: And thank you. And I'm showing no further questions. I would now like to turn the call back over to Kelly Smyth, Senior Director of Investor Relations, for closing remarks.
spk07: Thank you. As a reminder, Matrix will be participating at the upcoming DA Davidson Conference, September 18th through the 20th in Nashville. And if you'd like additional information on our attendance at that conference or conversation with management, please contact me through Matrix Service Company Investor Relations website. Thank you for your time.
spk00: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
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