NaaS Technology Inc.

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to the NAS third quarter 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. I must advise you that this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your first speaker today, Mr. John Wong, the company's investor relations director. Thank you, and please go ahead.

Thank you, operator. Hello, everyone, and welcome to NASS Third Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. The company's results were issued earlier today and are posted online. Joining me on the call today are Ms. Cathy Wang Yang, our Chief Executive Officer, and Mr. Steven Sim, our Chief Financial Officer. For today's agenda, Ms. Wang will provide an overview of our business highlights. and Mr. Singh will discuss our operating results and go through our financial highlights. Before we continue, I refer you to our safe harbor statement in the earnings press release, which applies to this call as we will make forward-looking statements. Also, please note that this call discussions of certain non-IFRS financial measures. Please refer to our earnings release, which contains a reconciliation of non-IFRS measures to the most comparable IFRS measures. Finally, please note that unless otherwise stated, all figures mentioned during this conference call are in RMB. I will now turn the call over to our CEO, Ms. Cathy Wang Yang. Cathy, please go ahead.

Hello, everyone. I'm NASA CEO Cathy Wang Yang. Today, I'm excited to share our performance highlights for the third quarter of 2024 and take this opportunity to update our investors on our business progress. First, I'd like to announce a significant milestone.

After achieving operational break-even in June during the second quarter, we delivered a positive non-IFRS net profit for the first time in a single quarter through strategic iteration, cost reduction, and efficiency gains, and technological advancement. In the third quarter, our non-IFRS net profit reached RMB $20.6 million.

The core charging service industry of power generation has achieved a revenue of 42.37 million yuan this quarter, which is 36% of the total growth. The company is focused on high growth and high-performance core charging service industry. Therefore, our overall efficiency rate has been improved by four consecutive seasons. The third season is 57% of the historical new high, and the strategic focus is on performance.

Our core charging services business reported revenues of RMB 42.37 million in the third quarter, a year-over-year increase of 36%. By strategically concentrating on high-growth, high-margin core charging services, our overall gross margin has improved for four consecutive quarters, reaching an all-time high of 57% in the third quarter. This move is clearly producing positive outcomes.

This quarter we accelerated our strategic shift towards the core charging services business.

This strategy is centered on fully leveraging our technological capabilities and analytical insights to meet the market's demand for AI-driven and digitalized charging resource allocation. Furthermore, by concentrating on our core business, we are unlocking greater profit potential, laying a more sustainable growth foundation for the company.

On the other hand, the energy generation has significantly reduced operating costs. In the third quarter of 2024, the ratio of sales to revenue decreased to 67%. In the third quarter of 2023, the ratio should be 160%. At the same time, our business efficiency has been further improved. Through NAS platform, the number of users of the transaction has increased by 34% this quarter. User activity has increased historically. These have directly brought stronger profit and loss for the company.

We've also significantly reduced operating costs. For instance, selling and marketing expenses as a percentage of revenue decreased to 67% in the third quarter of 2024 from 160% in the third quarter of 2023, substantially improving our operational efficiency. Meanwhile, the number of users transacting through the NAS platform grew by 30% year-over-year this quarter, with user activity hitting a record high. These achievements have directly enhanced the company's profitability.

China's new energy car market is still in a state of rapid growth. According to the data of China Energy Co., Ltd., in September 2024, China's new energy cars' monthly sales hit a new high. Among them, domestic sales increased by 45.5% and domestic new energy car sales penetrated more than 50%.

China's new energy vehicle market continues to grow rapidly. According to the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers, September 2024 saw record-breaking monthly production and sales of new energy vehicles, with domestic sales increasing by 45.5% year-over-year and EV market share in new car sales continuing to surpass 50%.

Under the rapid growth of the market, in the fourth quarter of 2024 and 2025, Amid this robust growth environment, our priorities for the fourth quarter of 2024 and full year 2025 will center on profitability, scale, and technology.

We will continue to strategically focus on the interconnectivity charging services, leverage technology and innovation to support growth on both the supply and demand side, and our scale to strengthen our industry position and enhance profitability by capitalizing on economies of scale.

下面有请能量智电新上任的CFO斯蒂文先生详细介绍我们的战略聚焦进展以及具体的业务和财务表现。 非常高兴斯蒂文能够加入NATO, He is from Singapore and has more than 20 years of work experience in the domestic and international capital markets. He has a comprehensive background of four accounting firms and US stock listed companies. He has a deep knowledge of corporate capital operation, strategic expansion, and financial management. We hope that his years of experience can enrich the company's business and create more value for shareholders.

Next, please welcome our newly appointed CFO, Stephen Sim, who will provide a detailed overview of our strategic progress along with our operational and financial performance. We're excited to have Stephen join us. Born and raised in Singapore and with over 20 years of experience in domestic and international capital markets and a background in big four accounting firms and U.S. listed companies, he brings deep practical experience in corporate capital... strategic expansion, and financial management. We trust his extensive expertise will empower our business and create more value for our shareholders. Stephen, over to you.

Thank you, Katie, for the warm welcome. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us. I'm Stephen Sim, the new Chief Financial Officer of NASS. I'm delighted to join the team at such a pivotal time for our company and to review the substantial progress we've made for this quarter. We are intensifying our focus on core charging services, leveraging AI to optimize supply and demand connectivity. This shift, coupled with phasing out low-margin energy solutions, has improved profitability. We've record high gross margins and our first positive quarterly non-IFRS net income. For details about the non-IFRS measures and reconciliation with IFRS measures, Please refer to our press release. Our NAV platform enhances efficiency for charge point operators and show promising monetization potential through collaborations like the Zhejiang Government Project. We are strengthening our EV charging ecosystem with key partnerships, including FAW Volkswagen and IM Motors. and expanding our network of charge point operators and chargers. Notably, our program partnership in Fujian adds 100 stations and 1,600 chargers, enhancing connectivity and convenience. Our AI-driven NAS system optimizes charging operations and unlock customer side benefits like subsidy allocations and better user experiences. Early success includes the Zhejiang platform, demonstrating NAF's value in boosting efficiency and monetization. On ESG, our sustainability remains central to NAF. Our 2023 ESG report highlights efforts to expand green energy access and partnerships with initiatives like the Carbon Inclusive City Corporation Alliance and China ESG Alliance. reinforcing our leadership in sustainable development. Through focused strategy, ecosystem growth, and innovation, NAS is positioned for long-term success and value creation. Next for our financial highlights. In Q3, we reached a major milestone by achieving our first-ever positive quarterly non-IFRS net income of 20.6 million RMB. following our non-IFRS break-even in June. For details about our non-IFRS measures and reconciliation with IFRS measures, please refer to our press release. This accomplishment reflects the strength of our strategic direction and operational execution. Charging services revenues surged by 36% year-over-year, reaching 42.4 million RMB this quarter. a testament to the efficiency of our strategic focus on high-margin core offerings. This is due to our continuous expansion in both supply and demand side, along with our technology development to keep improving efficiency. Energy solutions revenue was 0.56 million RMB, driven by our strategic shift to focus on high-margin platform business. The company exhibited energy solution businesses through various ways. For example, we announced the sales center power to our parent company, New Link, in August 2024. Again, as mentioned earlier, we have been deliberately transitioning away from lower margin, capital-intensive energy solutions projects to concentrate on our core charging services business, which offer higher growth potential and profitability. As a result, there was a substantial improvement in our gross profit margin, which reached a historical high of 57%, up from 29% in the same period last year. Cost efficiency remains central to our strategy for sustainable growth. In Q3 2024, we achieved significant reductions in operating expenses, with sales expenses decreasing by 81% year-over-year. marking the fourth consecutive quarter of substantial declines. The substantial reduction in sales expenses was primarily driven by our improving sales strategies, operating efficiency, and customer subsidy schemes. As a result, despite these reductions, we maintain strong customer engagement with transaction users through the company's platform, increasing by 34% year-over-year. and user activity reaching records high. These results demonstrate that our disciplined cost management effectively supports engagement and market expansion without compromising performance. Our focus on scaling high-margin charging services supported by a 49% year-over-year increase in connected chargers and AI-powered tools like the NAS system which optimizes charger placement, utilization, and dynamic pricing. These advancements are driving both profitability and efficiency as we expand. This quarter, we reduced sales expenses by 41.7% quarter over quarter and administrative expenses by 15.5% quarter over quarter, while transaction users grew by 34% year over year. These results demonstrate the effectiveness of our disciplined cost controls in supporting growth without compromising engagement. Looking ahead, our asset line model enables us to scale efficiently while improving gross margins and delivering sustainable value for shareholders. By focusing on high growth opportunities and leveraging technology, we are well positioned to maintain this momentum in the coming quarters. This concludes our prepared remarks for today. We are now ready to take questions. Thank you.

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then 1 on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed, and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. For the benefit of all participants on today's call, if you wish to ask your question to management in Chinese, please immediately repeat your question in English. Once again, it is star then one to ask a question. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. The first question comes from Ting Song with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Thanks for taking my question. Congratulations on the positive performance this quarter. I would like to explore the progress you have made on gross profit and margin improvement in the quarter this year. Could you elaborate more on how you are able to make it and what we could expect in the future? This is my first question. And for the second one, I would like to ask, For the improving operational efficiency this year, which is important to the company, as you mentioned before, I would like to know more about your operational expenses trend and how you could significantly narrow your operational loss this quarter. Thank you.

Thank you, Ting. Let me take a question. This is Steven. For the first question on the positive profitability and the progress on the gross profit and margin improvement, in Q3 2024, we achieved a gross profit increase of 19%, reaching RMB 25.1 million from 21.1 million in Q2, quarter on quarter. This substantial growth in gross profit illustrates our success in executing strategy focusing on high margin revenue stream and cost control, leveraging on our advantage of our platform increasing in scale. Our gross margin also reached a historical high, and this was an improvement from 38% in 2002 to 57% in 2003. This substantial improvement underscores the effectiveness of our strategy. and also focusing on our core business and not diluting our focus on the non-core capital expenditure heavy business. Our margin growth is also as a result of optimization and then past operational efficiency across departments. As we went through our departmental reviews and overall operating efficiency, we continue to do so on an ongoing basis and this efficiency will further enhance our margin performance to allow us to deliver continuous and improved profitability. On a moving forward basis, I think in our prepared remarks we did mention that the goal is to deepen these efficiencies and to keep cross-margin strong. It is a challenge as well as at the same time for us as we reach the scale with the continuous growth in the number of EVs on the road. I think we are confident about continual improvements in the upcoming quarters. Thank you. I think on the second question, you mentioned on operating efficiency also, and I mentioned in my previous answer some aspects already. And I guess on the operating expense trend, let me just elaborate more. As I mentioned in my previous answer, we implemented a series of aggressive cost control measures to the extent possible without sacrificing growth across all operational areas. And this resulted in notable reductions in expenses and operational losses. And selling expenses saw a major cut, decreasing from RMB 50.9 million in Q2 to 29.7 million in Q3, again reflecting our efforts to streamline company resources and focus on cost-effective projects. And this is via optimizing customer subsidy policies and improving the sales team efficiencies. Administrative expenses on an R&D basis, there was a 15% reduction from Q2 to Q3. And this was reduced by $8.9 million. And again, on a going-forward basis, as we scale, we should see more operating leverage and our fixed costs should cover higher scale and more growth without increasing the fixed cost percentage in tandem. And overall, this effort accumulated in a 44% reduction in operational losses compared with the last quarter. and total operating losses decreased by RMB 39 million from Q2. This reduction has been possible due to our proactive approach in also identifying certain cost savings opportunity and scaling down non-essential projects, maximizing efficiency of our resource. We will continue to do so to the best of our abilities and to really tap into the market potential, but at the same time come up with a more focused, streamlined approach to the business. Thank you.

The next question comes from Amber. Yue with Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Thanks for taking my questions, and congrats on your outstanding results. I have two questions. It seems your revenue composition is shifting rapidly and marginally improving due to your strategic focus on your core charging service. Could you please talk about the background and why you made that decision and how has it been impacting the company's operations and financials? And my second question is competition is tough in any market and seems NAS has done so well. What competitive advantage does NAS plan to leverage to maintain its leadership in a market like this? Thanks.

Thank you, Amber. On your first question on the revenue composition and the focus on our core business, I think from day one, NASA's strategy has been building a key platform business linking our customers to the various charging services. And going back to this core business is nothing new, except that it realigns our thinking in what the long-term value in the business will be. Therefore, our strategic focus is really a key initiative in our ongoing efforts to achieve not just profitability, but also to go back to what we do best in increasing the value of the platform. And unlike the energy solutions business, which we previously mentioned in the past quarters, that requires heavy investments and deep knowledge on operations, focusing on the long-term lower margin business. And we are retreating from that because we believe that business doesn't give our shareholder the best value, so we are returning to a higher margin asset line and business allowing us to scale efficiently. This shift has already shown significant impact on our financials, with the company gross profit margins reaching a record high of 57%. Additionally, by simplifying our business lines and focusing on core services, we are able to allocate resource to areas that drive growth in our users and on our costs and also delivering better services to help our charging partners find more and better customers and deliver higher margins for them. So this in turn will allow us to return more value to the platform and in turn to our users. That's the answer to the first question. On the second question on competition, I would say that we've done very well in a very competitively tough market, and I think that the whole point of really growing a platform business is to essentially focus on delivering values, as I mentioned in my last answer to both various stakeholders in the platform. And to do so, we have a few distinct advantages. We have a key advantage through our advanced AI power analytics, which essentially takes in all our user behavior data. And these analytics provide real-time insights that enable operators to optimize operations dynamically and helping users locate charges instantly at an optimized price. These tools enhance charging efficiency, boost station utilization and profitability, and ensure seamless experience for both operators and users. Secondly, our strong partnership with the ecosystem players, including OEM charging operators and energy companies, give us extensive market reach. As we grow in scale, these collaborations will allow us to expand infrastructure efficiently while fostering user loyalty and retention. Lastly, our asset-like platform enables scalable growth without heavy capital investments, and this helps us maintain a streamlined cost structure and profitability. I think this combination of tech, strategic partnership, and cost-efficient growth will enable us to remain a leader in the evolving EV market, which allows us to be ready to meet future competitive challenges. Thank you.

The next question comes from James Zhou with UBS. Please go ahead.

Thanks for taking that question. First of all, very happy to see NASA finally see some positive long IRS net profit for the fourth time in this quarter. And moving forward, can we expect sustainable profitability in the long run? And my second question is regarding if we take a look at the further metrics influencing NASA's financials, for example, What are the key trends in user subsidies and how have they been impacting the company's overall profitability?

Thank you, James. First question on the profit and on the, I guess, what our expectation is moving forward. Again, this quarter, marked a significant milestone for us, with quarterly non-IFRS net profit turning positive for the first time for the whole quarter, reaching 20.6 million RMB in Q3 compared to negative 39.9 million in Q2, and negative 174 million RMB in Q3 last year. So on all aspects, quarter on quarter, year on year, it's a significant improvement Obviously, we want to continue to ride the momentum to continue our profitability and to make sure it's both sustainable and to really leverage on our scaling and also our cost efficiency effect. I think the key drivers will be a continual healthy growth in the charging services business with gross margin reaching a record 57%. I think we will want to try to maintain those margins and finding the right balance to grow the business on an overall basis. Similarly, on the operating leverage, our operating expense has fell by 70% year-on-year. This is streamlined by operations and also tax efficiencies. Again, we want to focus on that without sacrificing growth and user experience and our services to our partners. Looking ahead, I think we are confident in sustaining this positive trend by expanding the high-margin services, and we will leverage on our AI-driven efficiency as our core advantage, and we will continue to scale our platform. With 49% year-on-year increase in connected charges and 34% year-on-year growth in transaction users, I think we are well positioned to deliver long-term value and maintain profitability. I think on the second question, the question is to do with trends in user subsidies and how they've been impacting the company's overall profitability. Without a doubt, our users are NASA's main focus. Without creating the right value to our users, we cannot continue to grow and we cannot continue to give excellent value both to them and our charging station partners. The competitive landscape of the EV charging platform market has been relatively stable since 2023. which means that the companies do not need intensive customer subsidies to grab more market. I think there's been more focus on deepening relationship with our users, creating better value, improving user experience via our app, helping them find charging stations faster, delivering better costs, offering more transparent services user experience, for example, helping users have an overview of when the charging cost is on a daily basis or split into different timing. For example, it's obviously cheaper to charge at night at the lower electricity price. So I think, you know, anecdotally, these are various things that we do well and will continue to improve on a going forward basis to retain and grow our users. With that being said, the company initiated a gradual reduction in user subsidies because we believe that users, other than looking at subsidies in itself, experience. Since the beginning of 2024, we have reduced And we have seen a significant positive impact on our net and gross take rates, both of which reach historical high. By decreasing reliance on subsidies, we are fostering a more sustainable revenue model that does not incentivize, rely on incentives to drive growth. I think this focus also allows us to allocate resources more effectively, focusing on higher return areas rather than subsidized growth. and which in turn supports our long-term profitability goals and allow us to build a deeper network to benefit our users more. I think continuously optimizing customer subsidy schemes will streamline our revenue generation process. Instead of using subsidies as a primary driver, we are seeing stronger organic growth. This is proven by user acquisition channels and partnerships. This move also strengthened our market position by making offerings more attractive based on inherent value rather than discount-driven strategies. I think another key fact that we should keep in mind is that with the reduction in customer subsidies, newly registered users and transaction users through the company's platform also has been growing, so it's not been impacted too much. Overall, it aligns with our vision of becoming a profitable leader in the e-charting space. with a more sustainable revenue model that can adapt and grow with market demand. Thank you.

The next question comes from Ethan Zhang with Nomura. Please go ahead.

Thank you, management, for taking my question. So first, congratulations for your results, and we saw NASA has achieved a significant increase in the charger connections, which is, my belief, higher than the industry average growth rate. So my question is, what do you think, how do you attribute this fast growth to, and how is NAS positioning yourself as a leader in China's expanding EV charging network? Thank you.

Thank you, Ethan. I think this is a really good supply-side question. The 39% year-on-year increase in charger connection also reflects our strategic focus on the supply-side infrastructure. And this is, again, to meet the growing demand for EV charging with substantial growth in the number of EVs on the road and all new EVs, new car sales being 50% EVs. This growth can be attributed to a combination of factors. In our case, it's true technological innovation. Again, going back to our AI-powered big data analysis, the mass Energy FinTech system, which we call NEF, have optimized station operations and site selection, and this helps our partners ensure that we place charges in the most high-demand area. This strategic partnership is helping us forge this alliance with regional and national partners, and we've been able to expand our network quickly and efficiently as we scale. On the operating efficiency, the improvement in predictive maintenance and dynamic pricing have made our network more attractive to charging operators, and this is driving growth across the board. I think our rapid expansion makes us a continuing leader in China's EU charging market. We continue to grow a strong and connected network of charging stations. And we are not just adding more chargers, but making sure they're easy to access and efficient for EV drivers across the country. With smart site placement, advanced AI technology, and strong partnership, we are creating a better, more reliable charging experience for users. This is our continuing commitment to simple fundamentals that positions NAS for the long-term success as the global EV market continues to grow.

Thank you. The next question comes from Zhe Zhao with Tianfeng Securities. Please go ahead.

Hi, thanks for taking my question. I read that NASA's recent partnership in Fujian Province has expanded the company's presence in key cities. How does this regional expansion contribute to NASA's long-term strategy? And how is the company's AI-powered technology enhancing the user experience and operational efficiency for regional charging operators? Thank you.

Thank you, Doctor. So the partnership in Fujian Province significantly strengthens NASA's regional presence. particularly in key cities like Xiamen and Fuzhou. And this extends our coverage to smaller cities like Ningde and Putian. This expansion is a crucial part of our long-term strategy to create a highly interconnected EV charging network across China for all users, both large and small. And specifically with the collaboration in Fujian, we've integrated over 100 charging stations and over 1,600 DC fast chargers into our network. This really improves our general accessibility for consumers, and we are also successfully working with the government at a local and national level to increase both China and the world's progress towards a green future. Our AI-powered NAS system, again, plays a central role in this effort. enhancing the user experience by providing real-time charging station availability, predictive maintenance, and optimized site selection. For regional charging operators, this technology boosts profitability through dynamic pricing based on real-time demand and electricity supply, as I mentioned earlier, which creates key friendly experience for our users. that this ensures both operational efficiency and financial sustainability. Thank you.

As there are no further questions now, I'd like to turn the call back over to the company for closing remarks.

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This concludes the conference call. You may now disconnect your line. Thank you.