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spk04: Good day, and welcome to the New Mountain Finance Corporation first quarter 2023 earnings call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on a touchtone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to John Klein, President and CEO. Please go ahead.
spk07: Thank you, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to New Mountain Finance Corporation's first quarter 2023 earnings call. On the line here with me today are Steve Klinsky, Chairman of NMFC and CEO of of New Mountain Capital, Robert Hamwe, Vice Chairman of NMFC, and Laura Holson, COO and Interim CFO of NMFC. Steve is going to make some introductory remarks, but before he does, I'd like to ask Laura to make some important statements regarding today's call.
spk00: Thanks, John. Good morning, everyone. Before we get into the presentation, I would like to advise everyone that today's call and webcast are being recorded. Please note that they are the property of New Mountain Finance Corporation and that any unauthorized broadcast in any form is strictly prohibited. Information about the audio replay of this call is available in our May 8th earnings press release. I would also like to call your attention to the customary safe harbor disclosure in our press release and on page two of the slide presentation regarding forward-looking statements. Today's conference call and webcast may include forward-looking statements and projections and we ask that you refer to our most recent filings with the SEC for important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those statements and projections. We do not undertake to update our forward-looking statements or projections unless required to by law. To obtain copies of our latest SEC filings and to access the slide presentation that we'll be referencing throughout this call, please visit our website at www.NewMountainFinance.com. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Steve Klinsky, NMFC's chairman, who will give some highlights beginning on page four of the slide presentation. Steve?
spk08: Thanks, Laura. It's great to be able to address you all today, both as NMFC's chairman and as a major fellow shareholder. I believe we have some good news to report. Adjusted net investment income for the first quarter was $0.38 per share, more than covering our $0.32 dividend per share that was paid in cash on March 31st. Our earnings improved by $0.08 compared to Q1 of last year and $0.03 sequentially over Q4 of 2022. Our net asset value was $13.14 per share, a $0.12 or 0.9% increase compared to last quarter. The fair value increases reflective of continued strong credit performance combined with modestly tighter market spreads, which positively affected the valuation of our assets. We believe our loans are well positioned overall in defensive growth industries that we think are right in all times, and particularly attractive in the challenging macro conditions of today. New Mountain's private equity funds have never had a bankruptcy or missed an interest payment, and the firm now manages over $37 billion of assets. Summarily, as shown on page 13 of the presentation, cumulatively, NMFC has experienced no net realized default losses since inception. Our eight basis points per year of net realized default loss have been more than offset by realized gains elsewhere. The rising rate environment continues to be a substantial positive for our quarterly earnings since we chiefly lend on floating rates. As page 12 of the presentation shows, We expect to continue to significantly out-earn our 32-cent-per-share base dividend at current interest rates if all other factors hold constant. Given our earnings of 38 cents per share this quarter, we will make our first variable supplemental dividend in the amount of 3 cents per share. This is equal to half of the Q1 quarterly earnings in excess of our base dividend of 32 cents. This additional $0.03 dividend will raise the total dividend to $0.35 per share all in for this quarter, which is at the high end of the range. NMFC will pay these distributions on June 30 to holders of record as of June 16. The remainder of the excess earnings will remain on our balance sheet and may be paid out in the future. Our annualized dividend yield at $0.35 represents approximately a 12% current dividend yield. Looking forward to Q2, in addition to our base $0.32 dividend, we expect to generate a variable supplemental dividend of $0.03 to $0.04 per share payable in Q3. This incremental payout is supported by expected strong credit performance and continued elevated base rates. We believe the strength of New Mountain and of NMFC is driven by the quality of our team. New Mountain overall now numbers 220 members, and the firm has developed specialties in attractive defensive growth, that is, acyclical growth sectors, such as life science supplies, healthcare information technology, software, infrastructure services, and digital engineering. When pursuing our credit investing efforts, we utilize our extensive group of industry experts to provide knowledge and expertise that allows us to make very informed high conviction underwriting decisions. Over the last six months, we have continued to expand the quality of our overall team. Regarding our credit team specifically, we would like to welcome back our COO and interim CFO, Laura Holson, from maternity leave. Additionally, we have hired multiple new credit team members in the areas of business development operations, and fund finance. Finally, we as management continue as major shareholders of NMFC, owning approximately 13% of NMFC's total shares personally. Rob, John, Laura, and I have never sold a share of NMFC, even as we have been buying. With that, let me turn the call to John.
spk07: Thank you, Steve. Good morning again, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. I would like to offer some more details on our overall investment strategy, portfolio construction, and performance metrics. Starting on page seven, we highlight our discipline industry selection, which shows exposure to a diversified list of defensive non-cyclical sectors. These sectors and industry niches are characterized by durable growth drivers, predictable revenue streams, margin stability, and great free cash flow conversion. We have successfully avoided cyclical, volatile, and secularly challenged industries, which are certain to underperform in today's more difficult economic landscape. Our strategy has been consistent over our 12 years as a public company, and it allows us to operate with confidence in any economic environment. Page 8 provides a high-level snapshot of our business, where we show a long-term track record of delivering consistent, enhanced yield to our shareholders by avoiding losses and paying out 100% of excess income to our shareholders. Our current portfolio is exposed to companies in good industries that are performing well and where our last dollar of risk is approximately 40% of the purchase price paid for the business. We lend primarily to businesses owned by financial sponsors who are sophisticated and supportive owners with significant capital that is junior to the loans that we make. Turning to page nine, the internal risk rating of our portfolio improved last quarter. We now have over 93% of our portfolio within our green risk rating, up from over 91% last quarter. Meanwhile, exposure to yellow, orange, and red names decreased as a percentage of the portfolio. Overall in the quarter, we had 59 million of ratings improvement and only 16 million of rating decline. Our most challenged names within the orange and red categories represent only 2% of NNFC's fair value. And we have de-risked our book by marking these names down to less than 50% of PAR. So even though the performance of these names continues to be challenged, they do not represent material risk to our book value. The updated heat map is shown in its entirety on page 10. Given our portfolio's orientation towards defensive sectors like software, business services, and healthcare, we believe our assets are well positioned to continue to perform no matter how the economic landscape develops. Our team continues to spend significant time and energy on our remaining red and orange names with the goal of either exiting individual positions or finding ways to improve the performance of the underlying businesses as we have at Unitec and Permian. Both of these companies had headwinds as recently as 12 to 18 months ago, but are now in our green category due to significant operational improvements, which have led to increased earnings and much better future prospects. Both businesses grew at over 30% in 2022, and we believe that momentum will continue in 2023. As shown in the upper right of the heat map, we did put one name great expressions on non-accrual this quarter, representing just $3 million of fair value. Turning to page 11, we provide an NAV bridge showing the $0.12 per share or 0.9% increase in book value. Starting on the left, credit-specific movements represent a $0.01 positive change in book value. Consistent with my earlier comments, Unitec's valuation drove a $0.12 per share increase in book value offset by an aggregate $0.11 per share decline in Great Expressions and in CIRA, both red names. A slight improvement in credit spreads over the quarter and earnings in excess of the base dividend accounted for an additional $0.11 of book value per share. It's important to note that if we were to value all of our green rated loans at par and keep the balance of the portfolio at current fair value, our book value would be $13.82 compared to our actual NAV of $13.14 at 3.31. Page 12 addresses NMSC's long-term credit performance since its inception. On the left side of the page, we show the current state of the portfolio where we have $3.3 billion of investments at fair value with $56 million or 1.7% of the portfolio currently on non-accrual. NMSC's cumulative credit performance, shown on the right side of the page, remains strong. Since our inception in 2008, we have made almost $10 billion of total investments, of which only $354 million have been placed on non-accrual. Of the non-accruals, only $104 million, or about 1% of total investments, have become realized losses over the course of our 14-year history. Total realized losses did increase this quarter as we proactively allocated 29 million of NHME representing 75% of our original investment and 21 million of ANTIRA representing 50% of our initial investment into our realized default loss category. We made this change so we could clearly disclose to our shareholders that we do expect to suffer an impairment when we exit these loans. Offsetting these movements was a recategorization of 25 million of Permian out of realized loss. Given the dramatic turnaround in Permian's business, we now have line of sight to a full recovery on that investment and possibly a material gain. As we show on the next page, these default losses have been more than offset by realized gains elsewhere in the portfolio. On page 13, we present NMFC's overall economic performance since IPO. Since inception, we have paid $1.1 billion of total dividends to shareholders while generating $14 million of cumulative net realized gains and only $74 million of net unrealized depreciation, netting to over $1 billion of cumulative value created for shareholders. The detailed performance analysis is included in the appendix of this deck. Page 14 shows a stock chart detailing NMFC's equity return since its IPO 12 years ago. Over this period, NMFC has generated a compound annual return of 9%, which represents a very strong cash flow-oriented return, well in excess of both the high yield index and an index of BDC peers who have been public at least as long as we have. I will now turn the call over to our Chief Operating Officer and Interim Chief Financial Officer, Laura Holson, to discuss our current portfolio construction and financial results.
spk00: Thanks, John. The outlook for 2023 in the sponsor-focused direct lending market continues to look positive. While deal flow is down overall, the direct lending market remains the primary financing market available for sponsors. and there are pockets of activity where we have the opportunity to make loans at attractive yields while remaining very selective. We also continue to see good opportunities to make incremental loans to existing, well-performing portfolio companies seeking to pursue accretive M&A. Yield structures remain more lender-friendly across the board, although there is increasing bifurcation in the market based on perceived credit quality. Perhaps most importantly, sponsor equity contributions have remained high, consistently representing 60 to 80% of the enterprise value of the company. Page 16 presents an interest rate analysis that provides insight into the positive effect of increasing base rates on NMFC's earnings. As a reminder, the NMFC loan portfolio is 89% floating rate and 11% fixed rate, while our liabilities are 56% fixed rate and 44% floating rate. Given this capital structure mix, we are long LIBOR slash SOFR and thus have material positive exposure to increasing rates. We've previously discussed the lag and flow through base rates, particularly on the asset side. In Q1, we saw base rates closer to current levels with an average base rate on our assets of 4.6%. versus current SOFR of about 5% and about 10 basis points lower than the average rate on our liabilities. To the extent rates continue to rise, we expect to see further benefit to NII. If rates follow the projected LIBOR slash SOFR curve and settle in the 3% to 3.5% area, we would still expect our net investment income to exceed our regular dividends as shown on the bottom chart, all else equal. Moving on to origination activity, on page 17, in Q1, we originated $77 million of new loans in our core defensive growth verticals, including software, healthcare services, and consumer services. We primarily funded these originations with repayments, keeping us fully invested and at the high end of our target leverage range. Turning to page 18, we show that our asset mix is consistent with prior quarters. or slightly more than two-thirds of our investments, inclusive of first lien, SLPs, and net lease, are senior in nature. Approximately 8% of the portfolio is comprised of our equity positions, the largest of which are shown on the right side of the page. Assuming solid operating performance and a supportive valuation environment, we believe these equity positions could continue to increase in value and drive book value appreciation. We hope to monetize certain of these equity positions in the medium term and rotate those dollars into cash yielding assets. As an example, we have realized a gain of just over $19 million in our restructured haven position through March 31st, and we'll recognize an additional about $10 million from another distribution received just this past Friday. We expect the remainder to be fully realized over the next few quarters. Page 19 shows that the average yield of NMFC's portfolio has decreased slightly from 11.3% in Q4 to 10.9% for Q1, given the shift in the base rate curve as well as a repayment on a high-yielding asset. Generally speaking, spreads remain wider and the supply-demand imbalance in the market continues to favor lenders, which helps support our net investment income target. Page 20 highlights the scale and credit trends of our underlying borrowers. As you can see, the weighted average EBITDA of our borrowers has increased over the last several quarters to $141 million. While we first and foremost concentrate on how an opportunity maps against our defensive growth criteria and internal New Mountain knowledge, we believe that larger borrowers tend to be marginally safer, all else equal. We also show the relevant leverage and interest coverage stats across the portfolio. Portfolio company leverage has been consistent over the last three quarters. Loan to values continue to be quite compelling, and the current portfolio has an average loan to value of just over 41%. From an interest coverage perspective, we've seen modest compression as base rates rise. The weighted average interest coverage on the portfolio declined slightly to 1.8 times from 1.9 times last quarter. We do expect interest coverage to move lower over the rest of 2023 as SOFR contracts reset at today's rates. Finally, as illustrated on page 21, we have a diversified portfolio across 112 portfolio companies. The top 15 investments, inclusive of our SLP funds, account for 39% of total fair value and represents our highest conviction names. I will now cover our financial results. For more details, please refer to our quarterly report on the Form 10-Q that was filed last evening with the SEC. As shown on slide 22, the portfolio had $3.3 billion in investments at fair value on March 31st and total assets of $3.4 billion, with total liabilities of $2.1 billion of which total statutory debt outstanding was $1.7 billion, excluding $300 million of drawn SBA guaranteed debentures. Net asset value of $1.3 billion at $13.14 per share was up 12 cents or 0.9% from the prior quarter. At quarter end, our statutory debt to equity ratio was 1.29 times to one. However, net of available cash on the balance sheet Net leverage is 1.26 times to 1 at the high end of our target leverage range. On slide 23, we show our quarterly income statement results. As a reminder, we believe that our adjusted NII is the most appropriate measure of our quarterly performance. This slide highlights that while realized and unrealized gains and losses can be volatile below the line, we continue to generate stable net investment income above the line. For the current quarter, we earned total investment income of $91.7 million, a $5 million increase from the prior quarter. The increase was primarily driven by higher interest income from base rate resets. Total net expenses were approximately $53.6 million, a $2.4 million increase quarter over quarter due primarily to higher base rates on our floating rate debt. As a reminder, the investment advisor has committed to a management fee of 1.25% for the 23 calendar year. We have also pledged to reduce our incentive fee if and as needed during this period to fully support the 32 cent per share quarterly dividend. Based on our forward view of the earnings power of the business, we do not expect to use this pledge. It is important to note that the investment advisor cannot recoup fees previously waived. Our adjusted NII for the quarter was 38 cents per weighted average share, which meaningfully exceeded our Q1 regular dividend of 32 cents per share. As slide 24 demonstrates, 98% of our total investment income is recurring this quarter. You will see historically that over 90% of our quarterly income is recurring in nature, and on average, over 80% of our income is regularly paid in cash. We believe this consistency shows the stability and predictability of our investment income. Importantly, over 93% of our quarterly PIC income is generated from our green-rated names. Turning to slide 25, the red line shows the coverage of our regular dividends. This quarter, adjusted NII exceeded our Q1 regular dividend by $0.06 per share. For Q2 2023, our Board of Directors has again declared a regular dividend of $0.32 per share, as well as a supplemental dividend of $0.03 per share, which will be paid on June 30, 2023 to shareholders of record on June 16. As a reminder, our supplemental dividend program pays out at least 50% of any earnings in excess of the regular dividend. Since our Q1 earnings exceeded the regular dividend by $0.06 per share, we are paying a supplemental dividend of $0.03 per share alongside the Q2 regular dividend. On slide 26, we highlight our various financing sources. Taking into account SBA guaranteed debentures, we had almost $2.4 billion of total borrowing capacity at quarter end, with $369 million available on our revolving lines, subject to borrowing base limitations. We have a valuable mix of fixed and floating rate debt and the 56% of fixed-rate debt continues to be an earnings tailwind in this rising base rate environment. As a reminder, both our Wells Fargo and Deutsche Bank credit facility covenants are generally tied to the operating performance of the underlying businesses that we lend to rather than the marks of our investments at any given time. Finally, on slide 27, we show our leveraged maturity schedule. As we've diversified our debt issuance, we've been successful at laddering our maturities to manage liquidity and over 85% of our debt matures in or after 2025. During the quarter, we upsized our 2022 convertible notes ahead of our 2023 maturities. Additionally, our multiple investment grade credit ratings provide us access to various unsecured debt markets that we continue to explore to further ladder our maturities in the most cost efficient manner. With that, I would like to turn the call back over to John.
spk07: Thank you, Laura. As we look out over the course of 2023, we remain confident in the quality of our investment portfolio and believe we are on track to deliver great risk-adjusted returns for our shareholders. We once again thank you for your support and look forward to maintaining an open and transparent dialogue with all of our stakeholders. I will now turn things back to the operator to begin Q&A. Operator?
spk04: We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star, then 1 on your touchtone phone. If you are using your speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press star, then 2. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. At this time, we are showing no questions. I would like to turn the conference back over to John Klein for any closing remarks.
spk07: I think I see one question in the queue.
spk04: Oh, there is one question. Somebody just popped up. I'm going to announce Ryan Lynch with KGW. Go ahead.
spk01: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. first one I had, I just want to make sure I heard this correctly. Did you say you received a $10 million distribution from one of your equity investments? Did I get that correctly? And then if so, what investment was that from and how should we expect that to be accounted for in the second quarter?
spk00: Yep. Yeah, you did hear that correctly, Ryan. So this was from our Haven position, which was an equity distribution In addition to the payments that we've already received through Q1, this was one that we received on this past Friday for an additional $10 million. And so that will show up as an equity distribution in Q2.
spk01: Okay. Will that show up as a – like how will that be accounted for? Will it be a realized gain? Will it come through the dividend income line?
spk00: It will be a realized gain. Okay.
spk07: And, Ryan, this is John. It's worth noting that in round terms, the valuation we had for Q1 is the correct valuation, so there won't be a change, but it's a realized event, which is great.
spk01: Yep, yep, totally get it. And then I wanted to talk about Edmentum for a minute. You know, that's, to me, the education, you know, kind of content space area. There's been some headwinds from some of the publicly traded education software companies out there, most recognizable being Chegg, with some of the disruption that potentially artificial intelligence is causing to that business. I'd love if you could just provide a little bit of background maybe on the details of that. what Admentum's role is in the education space and how, if any, do you think the potential for artificial intelligence could impact that business?
spk07: So, Ryan, Rob Hamley, who's with us today, sits on the board, so I'll turn that question to him.
spk05: Thanks, John. Yeah, hey, Ryan, it's a good question. It's actually something I actually addressed yesterday at our weekly staff meeting because it is so topical and interesting. The The headline is that Admentum is actually very well positioned to benefit from the trends in artificial intelligence. Obviously, there's tremendous volatility around that statement because how quickly things are moving. But Admentum is a digitally native provider of curriculum and assessment, primarily for the K-12 market. And because they're digitally native, they've been... their software first, and they've been thinking about AI for a long time, and their most recent product incorporated non-generative AI in a material way. And in the recent months, the company has been really front-footed on incorporating generative AI into the product set. And the truth is, when you think about Chegg, right, like that's a consumer-facing product Our products are enterprise-facing, right? We sell to districts. So the districts, they don't move as quickly as, you know, a 14-year-old kid in terms of embracing CHET, GPT for assessment and curriculum. But they will get there. And so it's funny, right now what they're requesting from Admentum is to accept they're requesting anything, and most aren't. But they're requesting help on the plagiarism side, and we're there to provide that. But as we look out two or three years, we do believe that the biggest driver is going to be the ability to evolve assessment beyond recitation of facts and writing papers. And we believe there are ways to use our software to allow districts to provide an effective answer to that, as well as using our software to provide personalized tutors to children. So long-winded answer, but we're pretty excited about the ability of generative AI to be a tailwind for Mentum going forward.
spk01: That's helpful. And just a follow-up question on that, though. I mean, it sounds like right now it's pretty well, I don't want to say protected, but it's in a pretty good spot. There are maybe some different headwinds facing CHED because it's more directed to student. But do you think that Given how quickly things are changing with artificial intelligence in that space, that could potentially, even though the business is doing fine today, that could weigh on the multiple on that business, just as potential sponsors are uncertain of what the world in this space looks like a year or two from now, so they're going to want to have a pretty low multiple on those businesses going forward. Is that a concern of yours?
spk05: I mean, it's always a concern, Ryan, but I actually, I think, again, I think given our positioning and the ability to articulate a multi-year roadmap as to how integrating AI into our product suite will actually drive revenue as opposed to revenue being negatively impacted by it, you know, at the end of the day, right, multiples are a function of growth, and I do think we can articulate, you know, when we do go to exit this position, as well, not just articulate, but have actual real-world evidence of how AI is a potential tailwind for a method. Again, no guarantees, right, Ryan? It's a brand-new development, but I do think we're very well positioned to be a beneficiary as opposed to a victim, and I think ultimately the ability to demonstrate that both with actual evidence and a roadmap is what will drive multiple up or down, depending on how successful we are.
spk01: Okay. I appreciate that. And, yeah, I fully understand that, you know, a very, you know, fluid situation that changes, you know, by the day. But I do appreciate the comments on that. You know, one question I had is, as you guys, you know, had a nice tailwind in operating ROEs from higher rates, I just wanted to know, do you guys have this thought process at all when you manage the business regarding leverage that, you know, base rates have increased so much at this point and have been a big tailwind for operating ROEs. We're obviously heading into a more shakier credit period, more certain macroeconomic environment. I understand the deal environment is really good for the deals that are getting done. There's not a lot of deals getting done. Would you ever consider lowering leverage levels from where you are today as we head into that environment and given that base rates are still so high today that that does a lot of the work for you for generating such a high operating ROE. And then if there is, you know, a further dislocation in the marketplace and the Fed has to, you know, cut rates at that point, you know, obviously rates will be working against your favor, but you would have, you know, further leverage to deploy and probably a better environment. Do you think about the business at all like that, that counterbalance versus leverage and base rates?
spk07: Yeah, it's something we talk about a lot, Ryan, and I'm glad you brought it up. I think, you know, one thing that's happened over the course of the last couple quarters is we've just seen no or very little or limited portfolio velocity. So to the extent we are entering into an environment where we start to get more repayments, and I think it's fair to say that we should get more repayments over the next 12 months than the last. That would be my bold prediction. But we could see using that money partially to deploy into new assets, but partially to delever I think we would be very comfortable, you know, being inside of our range right now. As Laura mentioned, we're right at the high end of our range from a leverage perspective. So I think that could be a move that we could make. We probably won't go to the low end of the range, but if we could be in the middle of the range over the course of the next couple quarters, that would be a very comfortable place for us to be.
spk01: Okay. And then maybe I'll just ask one more because I don't know if anybody else was in the queue. Obviously, the topic du jour right now is kind of the whole banking crisis, the mini banking crisis going on. I don't really believe that banks are probably a primary competitor in your space in the direct lending marketplace, although there's indirect impacts. They obviously hold CLO paper and those sort of things, which help fund the broadly syndicated loan market, which can't be a competitor and all that. I would just love to hear if there is a sort of pullback in banks lending, both large and regional banks. I'd love to just hear your opinion of what sort of impacts, if at all, it could have in your marketplace, both from where you compete in as well as even from your borrower standpoint, or you guys being able to obtain credit on your liability stack.
spk07: Sure. I mean, a big picture, I think everyone in this room, you know, feels there's a great place for regional banks. You know, in the U.S. economy, they provide a lot of service to small and middle market businesses throughout the U.S., and that's really valuable for our economy. When I think about the leveraged finance market, particularly the sponsor-oriented, you know, leveraged finance market, regional banks and even the larger banks from a balance sheet perspective aren't big players, and they haven't been for a while. I think you might have touched on it, but clearly a lot of bigger banks are very supportive over time, generally supportive of CLO structures, and that can be really valuable for the syndicated market. But in general, I think right now we're in a period of time, and I know you know this, but we're in a period of time where there's just not a lot of competition for direct lender's And generally speaking, we think that's a good thing. If there are fresh new buyouts to be done by our sponsor clients, you know, most of the deals that we see are really going to direct lenders. And there is, I think, a lot of capital being raised by direct lenders, and we think it's going to be a great period of time. And as you know, in this vintage, upfront fees are better, leverage is lower, and the documents are better. I would say on the CLO market, as we sit here right now, that's the biggest, I think, source of competition that we may see. It's not a comeback from the regional banks or from the large banks. And right now, we're not seeing robust CLO formation. And so that just makes me even more confident that as deal flow comes in 2023, direct lenders will be a big part of that.
spk01: Okay. I appreciate those comments. That's all for me today.
spk04: The next question comes from Eric Zwick with Hubbed Group. Please go ahead.
spk03: Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to first just ask about the pipeline. I'm curious if you could provide any commentary in terms of the current mix and in terms of the industries that you're seeing to be maybe more prominent and whether there's any that you're staying away from now just because it appears that maybe the shorter midterm prospects are not of attractive today given the current uncertainty over the economic environment today.
spk07: We see our deal pipeline picking up slowly. As I mentioned in my earlier comments, it has been over the last 12 months, it's been a little bit depressed. But based on what we see across multiple businesses here at New Mountain, we do think it's getting better. It continues to be a good environment for add-on investments. A lot of our best companies are seeing this current environment as one where they can buy, you know, do M&A at better prices. And so we look to support the best businesses within our portfolio that want to do that. I would say, you know, we are starting to see, we have seen good activity in software. I do expect that to continue. And we've also seen some interesting deals recently in the healthcare space. particularly healthcare technology. That's a little real-time insight into our portfolio. In terms of industries that we stay away from, that hasn't really changed. When we think about our defensive growth philosophy, I think it's really tailor-made for environments like today where we're really focused on buying great businesses in the best sectors that are sponsor-backed. And these businesses have revenue drivers, they have margin stability, and they have growth even in this sort of environment. And so we want to focus as much as ever on the sectors that we've defined as being attractive, but it also makes us feel very good about our existing portfolio. We don't have a lot of bad industries that are making us nervous in our existing portfolio.
spk03: Thanks. That's helpful. And then just the second one for me in terms of the upcoming debt maturity, I think 50 in June and 117 million in August. I think you previously mentioned that you had sufficient capacity in the revolver to pay that down. It looks like you also raised 60 million of notes in March and then mentioned some repayments coming through. It looks like cash position was maybe actually down quarter over quarter. So just curious, is it still kind of the intent to use the revolver to pay down or to kind of repay those maturities as they come due, or has something changed since your last comments?
spk00: Yeah, no, I think you summarized it well. So, you know, in 2022, we obviously raised the chunk of convertible notes. We upsized that this past quarter, as you alluded to. So between kind of the capital from that as well as just availability on our revolving lines, we feel pretty comfortable. We're in a good position to address the upcoming maturities.
spk03: That's helpful. And then just maybe as a bit of a follow-on to that last question, it seems like, you know, the revolvers are typically funded by banks and, you know, all indications that their banks are getting a little bit tighter on their willingness to lend. And if we go into an environment where, you know, maybe investors are a little bit more skittish if we go into a more severe economic environment. Just curious about your, you know, thoughts kind of mid to longer term if we were to go into a protracted recession, your thoughts about funding the business over that term?
spk00: Yeah, I mean, I think historically, you know, we've had very strong relationships, you know, with a couple of the banks, you know, Wells Fargo, Deutsche Bank, et cetera. And we feel pretty good that we're, you know, we've termed out financing. You can see the maturities on the revolving lines. But between that and the access to the capital markets more broadly, you know, obviously we have our investment-grade credit ratings. we feel pretty good that we'll be in a reasonably good position to access the markets as need be. But it's definitely something that we're watching and keeping a close eye on and just making sure we're being very proactive about just keeping the dialogue ongoing with the banks and just keeping our strong relationships there.
spk03: I appreciate the call there, Laura. Thanks for taking my questions today.
spk04: Next question comes from Bryce Rowe with B. Riley. Please go ahead.
spk06: Thank you. Good morning. I wanted to maybe touch on the topic of monetization of certain equity investments. Obviously, you've had some success here with Haven recently, but curious, of those that are listed on page 18, how do you guys handicap you know, which ones are better candidates versus not. And I kind of asked that question thinking about, you know, Unitec and Permian having, you know, having improved as much as they have in the last 12 to 18 months. I'm just kind of curious what gets them to the point where they're ready for monetization or you'd rather just continue to hold them as equity investments.
spk07: Sure. Well, the first thing I would note is that we have significant control over the monetization of Unitec, Benevis, Permian. At Mentum, it's worth noting we're a minority and we're in with others. And I would say that while it's not a perfect M&A environment, I think sponsors do want to, and other buyers, frankly, are getting eager to buy good, well-performing assets. I think we mentioned that Unitec and Permian were two on this list that are growing nicely and have some really compelling structurally advantageous tailwinds. And so we think that among this list there could be another name on this list that over the medium term we could seek to exit.
spk06: That's great, John. I appreciate that. And then maybe a bit of a follow-up, you have the categorization green, yellow, orange, red, and I think for the first time perhaps in the deck, you've shown where each bucket is marked relative to PAR, and that's kind of an interesting thing to think about. Of the green bucket marked at 95, 94% of PAR, Is that primarily just spread changes that we've seen over the last 12 to 18 months that have put it at that level of a mark?
spk00: Yep, that's right. So obviously every quarter we're comparing the marks or the spreads of the underlying assets to comparable syndicated loans and doing kind of a fulsome valuation process So as you alluded to, just as spreads have widened a little bit in the market over the last 12 or so months, some of these assets, just even though they're well-performing and we think they're ultimately still recoverable at par, they do just get marked down from kind of a technical perspective. And I think John touched on the statistic that if you did mark all the green names at par, book value would be kind of in excess of where we're showing the portfolio today.
spk07: Yep. Got it.
spk00: Thanks, Mark.
spk07: Oh, sorry. The only other comment I wanted to make, and I made this comment, but I want to reemphasize it, is that when names do go to yellow, orange, and red, we reflect that underperformance in the mark, which I think is we want to make sure that our shareholders are very aware of that. And I think it's healthy for our book, and we want to be transparent about how we handle that fair value exercise.
spk06: Yep. Great. I appreciate the comments.
spk04: This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to John Klein for any closing comments.
spk07: Thank you for joining us on our call today, and we look forward to speaking to you all again next quarter.
spk04: The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation.
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