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spk02: Greetings. Welcome to the Northwest Pipe Company fourth quarter 2022 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Gautam Andras. You may begin.
spk00: Good morning and welcome to Northwest Pipe Company's fourth quarter and full year 2022 earnings conference call. My name is Scott Montross, and I am the president and CEO of the company. I'm joined today by Aaron Wilkins, our chief financial officer. By now, all of you should have access to our earnings press release, which was issued yesterday, March 15th, 2023, at approximately 4 p.m. Eastern time. This call is being webcast. And it is available for replay as I begin. I'd like to remind everyone that the statements made on this call regarding our expectations for the future are forward looking statements and actual results could differ materially. Please refer to our most recent form 10 K for the year ended December 31st, 2022 will be filed later today. and in our other SEC filings for discussion of such risk factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations. We undertake no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. Thank you all for joining us today. I'll begin with a review of our 2022 performance and outlook. Aaron will then walk you through our financials in greater detail. We generated annual revenue of $457.7 million in 2022, which was up 37.3% year over year and included 84.7 million contribution from our acquisition of Park USA. Annual revenue from our steel pressure pipe segment increased 18.4% over 2021 to a record high of 307.6 million. Our steel pressure pipe business continued to gain strength throughout 2022 following a slow start to the year. We experienced strong bidding activity in the second half of the year, and particularly in the fourth quarter, which allowed us to continue to add to an already strong backlog. We also benefited from higher project pricing in 2022, mainly related to the long lead time nature of steel pressure pipe projects that were bid and awarded during the period when steel prices were higher. Hot roll band steel prices declined at a fairly rapid pace through the second half of the year, settling at just below $700 per ton in the December timeframe. Since then, hot roll band steel prices have increased rapidly. In general, higher steel prices are positive for our steel pressure pipe business. Steel pressure pipe production volume remained at levels that were fairly similar to 2021. Despite steel prices that declined at a fairly rapid pace through the second half of 2022, the strong bidding activity in the second half of the year allowed us to continue to improve the value and margin quality of our backlog and led to a 68% improvement in the year-ending volume in backlog versus year-end 2021. We ended the year with a record backlog, including confirmed orders of 372Million. Up from 347Million as of September 30th, 2022, and up from 290Million as of December 31st, 2021. Now, turning to our precast segment. Annual precast revenue increased 104.2%. from 2021 to a record high of 150.1 million, primarily due to the $84.7 million contribution from Park USA for a full 12 months, compared to an $18 million contribution in 2021 for the partial three-month period post acquisition. Revenue further benefited from a 17.9% year-over-year increase in sales at our pre-existing pre-cast operations at the Geneva locations, driven by higher selling prices, given continued strong demand for our pre-cast products, and increased raw material input costs. Our pre-cast related order book remains strong, totaling $64 million as of December 31st, 2022, up from $51 million of December 31st, 2021, which is a reminder was the 1st period that we included the order book for park USA, but declined from 74M dollars as of September 30th, 2022 through the 4th quarter being the seasonally slow time of the year for precast as well as the current uncertainty in the residential housing market. Our 2022 consolidated gross profit increased 94% year over year to a record 85.9M. which resulted in gross margins of 18.8% up from 13.3% in 2021, which as a reminder was negatively impacted by COVID-related production delays and associated bidding pressures. Our 2022 steel pressure pipe gross margin of 14.5% improved 250 basis points over 2021, primarily due to improved project pricing and margin quality and backlog, and the solid project bidding activity throughout the year. Partially offsetting the strength in our steel pressure pipe gross margin in 2022 was a $2 million product liability settlement reserve recorded in the first quarter of 2022, as well as a negative impact from severe weather events in July that forced temporary shutdowns of two of our steel pressure pipe facilities. Our precast gross margin significantly improved by 990 basis points over 2021 to 27.6% of precast sales in 2022. The improvement was predominantly due to contributions from our acquired Park USA operations, despite some of the challenges that we experienced with the ongoing ERP implementation that I will discuss in a moment. In addition, we benefited from improved project pricing at our pre-existing precast operations. As we implemented price increases to help offset inflationary pressures that have driven increasing costs for raw materials and transportation. Next, I would like to provide an update on our growth initiatives. We are intently focused on driving growth in our precast related space to further diversify our business and increase our resilience through economic cycles. Our top priority remains the ongoing integration of Park USA following our 2021 acquisition. I'm very pleased with our team's efforts throughout 2022 and want to thank each and every one of them for their hard work so far toward fully integrating Park into our operations and culture. We are continuing to work through the Park ERP implementation project. Almost a year into the project, we have encountered various challenges that have required us to take unplanned downtime at our plants during the second half of 2022, which reduced production levels and shipments suppressing both revenue and gross profit at our park facilities, and ultimately having a muting effect on both our pre-cash revenue and gross profit margins in the second half of the year. These challenges stem from the complex nature of PARCC products in the significant internal transactional volume inherent to PARCC's operations. And, as Erin will explain in greater detail shortly, we identified control deficiencies for our ERP implementation project. As such, we will experience additional downtime in the first quarter as we continue down the path toward achieving optimum system functionality. However, the system is currently functioning and the possibility of meaningful downtime beyond the first quarter is receding. We view these short-term challenges as system-related growing pains that are necessary in order to achieve our strategic growth initiatives. Now, I would like to turn to our organic growth strategy, which we refer to as product spread. Level 1 product spread is focused on building out capacity utilization at our Texas-based park plants to maximize overall production capabilities. In order to accomplish this, we are focused on growing our sales outside of Texas from the park facilities. The park sales group has made good progress in this area in 2022 with approximately $6.5 million in orders booked outside of the state of Texas. Our objective is to continue to grow the Level 1 product spread in 2023. Level 2 product spread is geared toward producing and shipping park products out of our legacy Northwest pipe plants. The pre-existing Geneva precast operations will be the pilot location for Level 2 product spread activity. Training has begun and will significantly progress as more park products are produced at and sold out of Geneva locations. We produced two park product orders at Geneva in 2022. and currently have four park product units scheduled for production at Geneva so far in 2023, and several other projects that are in various stages of bidding that would be slated for Geneva. There's ongoing work being done to introduce park products to potential customers that are in the Geneva region. Once park products are established at the Geneva locations, we will move on to establish these products at additional Northwest Pipe legacy plants. We remain very optimistic about the growth potential of the park business. In addition to the ongoing park integration work, we are continuing to invest in our Geneva operations to increase our production capabilities and capacity through expansion and automation in order to satisfy the growing market demand for our pre-cast products. We have committed approximately $16 million for a new RCP manhole facility at our Salt Lake City, Utah plant, which will replace an existing facility that is at the end of its useful life, that was responsible for a considerable amount of unscheduled downtime in 2022, and that limited our production capabilities throughout the year. The new facility will be significantly more automated and will require about half the manpower of the current old machine. We expect the new facility to be operational in the fourth quarter of 2023, which reflects a slightly extended construction timeline due to building construction delays and extended lead times. We have also installed a new batch plan at our St. George, Utah location, which was operational in mid 2022 and will aid in serving the increasing demand for our precast products in both Utah and Nevada. While our growth initiatives are predominantly focused on driving growth in the precast related space, we are duly focused on maximizing our steel pressure pipe water transmission business to become as efficient as possible and to enhance shareholder value. Keys to this effort are opportunities for further cost reduction measures, a focus on lean manufacturing, and a continued emphasis on maximizing margin over volume. Next, I'd like to discuss progress on some current and upcoming water transmission projects that are bidding in the steel pressure pipe market. In the eastern markets, the ongoing multi-year, multi-agency Houston surface water program is bidding 4,000 tons of pipe this year across multiple projects with additional sections planned for 2024 for West and North Harris County Regional Water Authorities. The Alliance Regional Water Authority program in Central Texas is another multi-agency regional water program. This program includes large pipeline, pump station, treatment facilities. The final remaining 2,700 tons of pipe are expected to bid this year. In North Dakota, progress continues on the 140-mile, 87,000-ton Red River Valley water supply project. The first two segments were awarded to Northwest Pipe, and installation is currently underway. We are closely tracking the outcome of further budget approval for future segment construction. In the western markets, California's Prop 1 $7.5 billion bond for water infrastructure has created the much-needed funding for projects within the state. The following Prop 1 projects are expected to start construction in the next five years. The Sites Reservoir is a water storage program that has received funding from Prop 1. It will involve over 30 miles of 144-inch pipeline. Additionally, Sites Reservoir received $30 million in IIJA funding this past quarter. Harvest Water is a program intended to provide recycled wastewater for agricultural use in the Sacramento area. This program includes nearly 25 miles of 30 to 66 inch pipeline. The first segments of this program are expected to bid in late 2023. Las Vacaras Reservoir Expansion Program provides a substantial capacity improvement to the existing reservoir and conveyance facilities in Northern California. The program includes approximately 22 miles of 48 to 96 inch pipe. Willow Springs Water Bank will create 500,000 acre feet of underground water storage in the Antelope Valley. The project includes approximately 16 miles of 30 to 84 inch pipe. Water reuse programs have generated new opportunities in the state of California market on which we expect to see bidding activity continue for the foreseeable future. MWD is setting a regional water reuse pilot project in conjunction with LA Sanitation District. This reuse program would treat and recycle water from one of the largest reclamation facilities in Southern California. It involves 60 plus miles of large diameter pipe. The current demonstration facility has been operating for two years. Preliminary design and permitting is ongoing. and construction for the full-scale treatment and conveyance facilities could begin as early as 2025. MWD secured a $224 million WIFA loan in October of 2021, which will fund nearly 50% of the anticipated construction costs. Southwest Nevada Water Authority, a Las Vegas water wholesaler and Colorado River water user, has also pledged significant financial support for this program. The MWD PCCP rehabilitation program will result in about 5,000 tons annually over the next 10 to 15 years. This program includes 81 miles of pipe from 75 to 120 inches in diameter. Southern Nevada Water Authority has begun moving forward in earnest with the expansion of the southern part of their water delivery system. This program, which has recently started preliminary design activity, will include approximately 25 miles of 78-inch steel pipe with construction tentatively scheduled for 2025. In Utah, design and permitting continues on the 150-mile, 69-inch Lake Powell pipeline. This pipeline will provide an alternative source of water for southern Utah. Construction is proceeding in earnest in New Mexico on the Bureau of Reclamation's Navajo Gallup supply project. The final major phase of the pipeline construction for this project is advertised to bid in early 2024 and includes 2,800 tons of steel pipe. New Mexico Governor Grisham recently announced $160 million in IIJA funding for the completion of the Eastern New Mexico Rural Water System. Remaining pipeline segments include 15,000 tons of steel pipe to convey water from the Ute Reservoir in northern New Mexico south to water users in the greater Clovis area. Before I conclude, I'd like to summarize our outlook for 2023. Our outlook for the full year remains positive, aside from challenging first quarter that has many of the same issues that we experienced in the first quarter of 2022. In our steel pressure pipe business, we've been seeing customer-driven delays in the first quarter, affecting the production timing of near-term projects, as well as severe weather events, which have led to unscheduled downtime at multiple facilities. These issues will suppress both revenue and margins in the first quarter. However, steel pressure pipe backlog is very strong, indicating there should be good strength as we progress through 2023. after anticipated slow first quarter steel pressure pipe business levels are expected to normalize similar to what we experienced in 2022. In our precast business, we are cautiously optimistic demand will remain fairly strong for the near term despite current macroeconomic uncertainty pertaining to the residential housing market and current rate environment. Severe weather events in the first quarter have also caused unscheduled downtime in our precast operations, further suppressing our first quarter sales and margins to what is already the historically slow time of the year. Despite these factors, precast is still expected to have a solid 2023. In summary, despite some of the complexities and challenges involved with executing our strategic growth priorities, We were very pleased to have delivered record financial results and operational performance in 2022 supported by the strength we've seen in our steel pressure by bidding activity as well as the continued strong demand for high quality precast products. We remain bullish on our future prospects for growth to increase our precast business to a similar size as our steel pressure pipe business supported by the increasing infrastructure needs in the United States looking ahead. We will remain focused on finalizing the integration of the Park USA as quickly and as efficiently as possible, persistently focused on margin over volume, continuing to implement cost reductions and efficiencies at all levels of the company, and continuing to identify strategic growth opportunities for the company once we've completed the integration work with Park USA. Thank you to our team at Northwest Pipe for their commitment to continuous improvement and strong performance and safety. I will now turn the call over to Aaron who will walk through our financial results in greater detail.
spk01: Thank you Scott and good morning everyone. Before I discuss our financial results, I would like to expand on the identified deficiencies related to the system implementation project that Scott alluded to earlier. As will be reported in our 2022 Form 10-K, which will be issued later today, we identified deficiencies in business process controls specific to Park USA's sales and cost of sales transactions. As a result of this control weakness, there is a reasonable possibility that a material misstatement in our future interim financial statements could go undetected. Importantly, These deficiencies have not impacted the accuracy of our current or historical financial results. Our remediation plan will emphasize on broader oversight of the execution of these critical business controls. Until our remediation work is complete, expanded monitoring of the Park USA sales and cost of sales transactions will be required to ensure continued integrity of our interim financial statements. I will provide additional updates throughout the year with the goal of having this material weakness remediated as soon as possible. Now I'll turn to the fourth quarter profitability. After that, I will review the full year 2022 performance as well as discuss our cash flow and liquidity. Consolidated net income for the fourth quarter was $8 million or $0.79 per diluted share compared to $2.3 million or $0.23 per diluted share in the fourth quarter of 2021. Our consolidated net income in the fourth quarter of 2022 included $0.8 million in amortization expense specific to FARC USA, which net of $0.2 million in associated tax expense resulted in an adjusted net income of $8.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2022, or $0.85 per diluted share. Our consolidated net income in the fourth quarter of 2021 included $2.6 million of acquisition-related transaction costs, 2.3 million of acquisition-related inventory charges, and 0.9 million for the amortization of acquired tangible assets specific to Park USA, which net of 1.4 million in associated tax expense resulted in adjusted net income of 6.6 million, or 67 cents, per diluted share in the fourth quarter of 2021. Adjusted net income is provided for comparability purposes. Please refer to the reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures in our earnings release for a comprehensive schedule detailing the adjustments for each period. Consolidated net sales increased 4.2% to $106.8 million compared to $102.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2021. Steel pressure pipe segment sales increased 0.8% to $72.1 million compared to $71.6 million in the fourth quarter of 2021, driven primarily by a 28% increase in our tons produced, mainly due to changes in our project timing, partially offset by a 21% decrease in our selling price per ton, primarily due to decreased raw material costs. Precast segment sales increased 12.1% to $34.7 million compared to $31 million in the fourth quarter of 2021, primarily due to a $2.3 million increase from our Park USA operations. In addition, segment sales benefited from an 11.3% increase in sales at our pre-existing precast operations, resulting from a 40% increase in selling prices on continued strong demand for our concrete products and increased raw material input costs, which were partially offset by a 21% decrease in volume shipped due to unscheduled equipment downtime and changes in product mix. Due to the unique nature of the products we manufacture, shipment volumes in the case of precast, production volumes in the case of steel pressure pipe, and the corresponding sales prices for both segments do not always provide comparable metrics between periods as they are highly dependent on the composition of the mix of our products. Consolidated gross profit increased 61.1% to 21.9 million or 20.5% of sales compared to 13.6 million or 13.2% of sales in the fourth quarter of 2021. Steel pressure pipe gross profit increased 38.2% to 12 million or 16.6% of segment sales, largely due to increased production volumes coupled with lower steel costs. This compared to gross profit of 8.7 million or 12.1% of steel pressure pipe sales for the fourth quarter of 2021. Precast gross profit increased 101.4% to $9.9 million, or 28.5% of precast sales, from $4.9 million, or 15.9% of segment sales in the fourth quarter of 2021, primarily due to the contribution from Park USA and higher pricing at our pre-existing precast operations. To add, precast gross profit included $2.3 million of increased acquisition-related inventory charges in the fourth quarter of 2021. Without those, the adjusted gross margin for the segment would have been 23.3% for the year-ago quarter. While the ongoing ERP system implementation at Park USA has been a challenging project, the team continues to show significant progress. Our remaining issues center on entering transactions in a timely manner through the system. This in turn necessitates a higher degree of review, most notably surrounding our inventory quantities. We mitigate this risk by conducting physical inventory observations, which require us to halt production and shipping activities, thereby hampering our ability to achieve optimal throughput at our ParkUSA facilities. We estimate that this costs us approximately three operating days each quarter, and I foresee another physical account to be required at the end of the first quarter of 2023. Selling general and administrative expenses increased 3.7% to 10.9 million, or 10.2% of sales, compared to 10.5 million for the fourth quarter of 2021. The increase was primarily due to 1.6 million in company-wide related incentive compensation expense, $0.5 million increased salaries and related benefits supporting the growing business, and $0.2 million in higher travel costs, which were partially offset by $2 million in investment banking fees associated with the closing of the Park USA transaction in the fourth quarter of 2021. Depreciation and amortization expense in the fourth quarter of 2022 was $4.4 million compared to $4.3 million in the year-ago quarter. Our non-cash incentive compensation expense was $1.2 million and $0.8 million in the fourth quarters of 2022 and 2021, respectively. Now turning to our full year results. Consolidated adjusted net income in 2022 was $33.6 million, or $3.35 per diluted share, compared to $16.5 million, or $1.66 per diluted share in 2021. Our 2022 adjusted net income excluded $2.4 million in unique and one-time items associated with the acquisition of Park USA net of respective taxes. This compared to our 2021 adjusted net income, which excluded $5 million in unique and one-time items also associated with the acquisition of Park USA net of respective taxes. Consolidated net sales increased 37.3%. to 457.7 million in 2022 compared to 333.3 million in 2021. Steel pressure pipe segment sales increased 18.4% to 307.6 million compared to 259.8 million in 2021, driven by a 20% increase in selling price per ton due to increased material costs and changes in product mix, partially offset by a 1% decrease in tons produced, which was resulted from changes in project timing. Precast segment sales increased 104.2% to 150.1 million in 2022 compared to 73.5 million in 2021, largely due to the addition of Park USA, which contributed 84.7 million in 2022 compared to 18 million in 2021. The company owned Park USA for just the fourth quarter of 2021. In addition, the segment realized a 17.9% increase in net sales at the pre-existing precast operations due to a 45% increase in selling prices due to the high demand for our concrete products coupled with increased raw material costs, partially offset by an 18% decrease in volume shipped due to unscheduled equipment downtime and changes in product mix. Consolidated gross profit increased 94%. to 85.9 million, or 18.8% of net sales in 2022, compared to 44.3 million, or 13.3% of net sales in 2021. SDP gross profit increased 42.2% to 44.5 million, or 14.5% of segment sales in 2022, compared to 31.3 million, or 12% of sales in 2021, due to improved product pricing. SPP gross profit in 2022 was reduced in part as a result of a $2 million product liability settlement reserve recorded in the first quarter. Precast gross profit increased 219% to $41.4 million, or 27.6% of precast sales in 2022, compared to $13 million, or 17.7% of sales in 2021, due to full-year contribution from ParkUSA as well as the higher prices that are pre-existing precast operations. To add, precast gross profit in 2021 included $2.3 million of increased acquisition-related inventory charges. Without those, the adjusted gross margin for this segment would have been 20.8% in 2021. Selling general and administrative expenses increased 45.4% to $41 million, or 9% of consolidated net sales in 2022, compared to $28.2 million or 8.5% of sales in 2021. The increase in SG&A expense was largely due to the addition of PARC USA and included approximately $7 million in higher compensation-related expenses primarily attributed to the acquired workforce, $4.5 million in higher incentive compensation expense, $2.3 million in higher amortization expense, 0.7 in higher travel costs, partially offset by 2 million in lower professional services and for investment banking costs that were transactional in nature. For the full year of 2023, we estimate our consolidated selling general administrative expenses to be in the range of 42 to 45 million. Company-wide depreciation and amortization expense was 17.1 million in 2022, compared to 13.6 million in 2021. We expect depreciation and amortization to be in the range of $17 to $19 million for 2023. Non-cash compensation related expense was $3.7 million in 2022 compared to $3.2 million in 2021. Interest expense increased $3.6 million in 2022 compared to $1.2 million in 2021. We currently expect interest expense between $5 and $6 million in 2023 However, that could vary with interest rate movements and variability in working capital needs for a steel pressure pipe business. Our 2022 income tax expense was $10.2 million, resulting in an effective income tax rate of 24.7%, compared to $3.6 million in 2021, or an effective income tax rate of 24%. We expect our tax rate for 2023 to be between 24% and 26%. Now transitioning to our financial condition. Our improved profitability helped us generate net cash provided by operating activities of $17.5 million in 2022 compared to net cash used in operating activities of $5.8 million in 2021. Our capital expenditures totaled $22.7 million in 2022 compared to $13.3 million in 2021. We currently anticipate our total CapEx to be in the range of $24 to $28 million for full year 2023, which includes approximately $6 million in remaining investment CapEx for a new reinforced concrete pipe machine, as well as other standard capital replacement projects. As of December 31, 2022, we had $83.7 million of outstanding borrowings on our credit facility, leaving approximately $40 million in additional borrowing capacity. In summary, I'm very proud of our 2022 financial results. We have made considerable progress this year to position our business for long-term, sustainable growth despite the headwinds many members of our team have endured related to the ERP implementation project. Your extra efforts are truly appreciated. While the resulting material weakness identified in the company's control environment presents short-term challenges, It was not an unforeseen risk at the time we were evaluating the park acquisition, given the state of the data and systems we were inheriting. We continue to believe it was a great investment for our company both financially and for the potential it has created for our future growth. I would like to thank our employees for their continued focus on workplace safety. I would also like to thank our shareholders for their continued support and confidence in Northwest Pipe. I will now turn it over to the operator to begin the question and answer session.
spk02: And at this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, It may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the start keys. One moment please while we poll for questions. And our first question comes from the line of Ted Jackson with Northland Securities. Please proceed with your question.
spk03: And Ted, you are up for questions. Make sure your line is not. Thanks.
spk04: Sorry about that. I was on mute. Yeah, as I said, I bet you didn't hear that. I actually had about a dozen questions in the presentation, so thorough. You kind of answered all of them. I would like to touch base maybe quickly on steel in 2022. Can you give us some kind of sense in terms of what percentage of your revenue it was?
spk00: On projects, Ted, I would say that this is steel pressure pipe pretty much primarily because that's the main raw material. That's what I'm talking about. It's probably somewhere in the area of about 25% to 30%. So it moves the needle. It may be sometimes a little bit higher when steel prices get higher. In 2022, we started the year with really, really high steel prices. I guess it was $1,400, $1,500 a ton. It dropped and went back up and then dropped all the way down to just below $700 a ton last at the end of the year. Now, it started low this year and it's increasing very, very rapidly right now to the point now where we're, you know, we've gone from some $700 a ton back up to numbers we're looking at about $1,200 a ton. So obviously that starts to get built into the project pricing and the revenue as we go forward. And usually it lags by several months, but it starts building into the project pricing and ultimately, Like we said in the script, that's actually good for us. It's positive because, obviously, higher pricing leads to higher gross profit levels, not necessarily higher gross margins, but higher gross profit levels. So we're good with higher steel prices. We just don't like a lot of volatility with steel. As long as we can get what we need, I think that's a great thing for us.
spk04: Sorry, I'm kind of multitasking. Then, like, thinking about 2023 and steel prices, like, I do break that out of the model around $750 a ton. You know, what do you guys see in terms of, like, an average price per ton of steel? What do you think about that?
spk00: Well, obviously, it started off relatively low, but some of the stuff that, you know, we're looking at, you know, it – It probably continues to travel up for a period of time. And I'm talking really about hot roll coil prices. But, you know, you get past probably the May-June timeframe. The current projections are as it starts to drop. So, you know, right now we're probably somewhere in the area of $1,200 a ton and seeing a lot of price increase announcements from the steel guys. So the rest of the year it's looking more like $850-ish. So probably average-wise you're, I don't know, probably $950 in that area.
spk04: And then with regards to your steel suppliers, are they, you know, I mean, are your orders still coming through on time? You know, you commented a bit about, you know, some issues on the supply side. I mean, it's one thing if steel prices go up, but you're still able to get the steel and deliver relative to your project. You know, it's another thing if prices go up and then, you know, they're deferring ships. You know what I'm saying? Are you thinking about shipment deferrals or delays or anything like that?
spk00: Well, having come from the steel industry, some of those delays and shipment, you know, late shipments are just inherent in the business. But we see those every once in a while, but we're certainly not seeing them as often as we saw them like in 2021. when steel was really, really tough to get. So I would say at this point it's not really that much of an issue. As the prices go up and demand goes up, it could get a little bit tighter, but I think we're pretty well positioned with multiple steel suppliers to be able to handle any kind of steel requirements that we have, and especially with what we see in front of us. And, you know, everything in the backlog, Ted, the 372 million tons of backlog, we have commitments on steel for that already. So ultimately that's in good shape. It's just the near-term stuff when you get orders. If it gets really busy, the deliveries can start to jump around a little bit, but we really haven't seen much of that to this point at all.
spk04: When you look at your first quarter and the challenges that you have, I recognize it's mainly weather-related. It's not, you know, but what are your thoughts with regards to what the revenue picture is going to look like to the fourth quarter or the first quarter of 2021?
spk00: You know, what I would say, obviously, is we don't give guidance on revenue or anything of that nature on these calls, but we're having weather issues, but we've also had some project delays that are customer driven with really near term projects. So the revenue is going to be down a bit. in the first quarter, but those things actually get made up in the rest of the year. The issue is they don't get made up in a quarter in steel pressure pipe. What I would tell you is after a slow first quarter, we think we're pretty much on the same trajectory revenue-wise that we were in 2023 for steel pressure pipe with what's in our backlog. And the really good thing about it is, like we said in the script, the quality of the margin that we have in backlog is pretty solid, too. So I think we're looking forward to a pretty good second half or the last three quarters of 2023 in regards to steel pressure pipe, really on a pretty similar trajectory based on the backlog that we have now, same projectors as we saw in 2022.
spk04: Well, I got to say, when I look at your backlog number and I try to make adjustments to take it down to a tons level, you know, it seems like the backlog, you've got a lot of visibility. Yes. Anyway, I'm going to step out of line so other people can ask questions and I might go back in.
spk02: Okay. Sounds good. Thanks, Ted. Our next question comes from the line of Brent Seelman with VA Davidson.
spk03: Please proceed with your question. Hey, thanks. Good morning. Can you guys hear me okay? Yeah, you're great. Good morning, Brent.
spk06: Hey, great. Thanks. Hey, Aaron, thanks for all the detail. I wanted to come back to PARC because, I mean, you put up pretty significant contributions in precast, you know, despite the fact you had some of these headwinds with the ERP implementation. Just wondering, can you parse out what impact that actually had here in the quarter?
spk00: Brent, on the impact on the fourth quarter for Park USA specifically? Yeah. Okay. So, you know, when you're looking at that – And we had, obviously, multiple days down. And you're probably looking at something that's a couple million or better in revenue. And with the margin potential on that, generally the margin potential, as you've seen, those margins are like high 20s to running up to 30% range. So you can do the math on what we missed out on those. So there was a little bit of miss, but, I mean, we still – The interesting thing is that when we acquired Park in 2021, they were about, I guess, about $71 million in revenue. And this year, they finished at almost $85 million, even with those delays, and obviously added a ton of gross profit to our business. It's just a matter of getting this thing stabilized. Aaron's going to talk about the ERP system, but there was the concern right up front during the acquisition. Aaron turned to me and said, man, I'll tell you, this is going to be a hard one because of the complexity of the product. He wasn't wrong. We spent a lot of time on that, but I think the facilities are operating very well. I'm going to just add on to a little bit that you didn't ask. The one thing we're seeing is With the park businesses, that really has not slowed down at all to this point. The non-residential business in Texas is very strong, and we've got a lot of people moving to Texas, and every school and Hospital and multifamily housing uses park products, whether it's meter vaults or backflow preventers. So we're seeing a very, in fact, if you look at the park order backlog last year, 2021 December versus this year, 2022 December, it's significantly higher. So the park business is very strong right now.
spk06: Yeah, I mean, despite the issues, transactions have been hugely accretive for you. Yes. I guess that, you know, and understanding that you're going to have some lingering stuff to work through in the first quarter, I mean, the business precast overall looks like X these issues is doing close to 30% or above in gross margins. How do you think about the precast or how should we think about the precast margins overall in 2023? Should they abate from those levels or can you sustain that?
spk00: Yeah, you know, it's interesting, you know, that when you look at things like that, Brent, because, you know, obviously the park business is really, really strong. And, you know, we haven't seen much impact on those margins yet. Now, You know, the interest rate environment, if it stays like it is, could have a little impact on the margins in the park side, the non-residential side. But in our forecast, we haven't built a lot into it. Like you said, those margins are approaching 30%. In some cases, they're a little bit above 30%. So they could end up being off a couple hundred basis points just because of the interest rate environment and the cautiousness on the park side of the business. What I would tell you about the Geneva side of the business is that obviously there's a lot of negativity right now around residential housing, but we are still seeing very, very high quote volume at Geneva. Like we saw last year, they're just not turning into orders as quickly, and I think the reality of it is customers are being cautious because obviously the residential market has slowed and and Utah and across the country. But we don't see any doom and gloom. When we look at our Geneva backlog, fourth quarter this year to fourth quarter last year, it's only down about 2% right now. And I think that there's a lot of strength in that Utah market and a lot of momentum still based on what we saw with delays in the supply chain in 2020 and 2021. So there's momentum buildup and We think that even you see a little bit of a slow period in that marketplace, it's going to come back relatively quickly. And right now, even with what's going on to answer your initial question on maybe it being a little bit slower, we're not seeing any deterioration on the pricing side.
spk06: Okay. That's helpful, Scott. And then on pressure pipe, when you look at that, the bidding pipeline, what's sort of to come over the course of the next 12 months, Scott? Is there an argument that the pressure pipe business can kind of hold in this 300 plus or minus revenue level for the next couple of years? There's enough out there to support that kind of volume?
spk00: Well, what I would tell you with that, Brent, is a lot of that depends on the backlog you carry into the next year, right? And this big backlog is really is the biggest one I've ever seen here. But I think that is the key going into 2023. When you look at overall bidding in 2023, we're expecting it to be a little bit lower than it was in 2022, but then again higher in 2024. So could you be 300 or near 300 area over that period of time? especially with what steel prices are doing, because quite frankly, right now steel prices are moving a little bit beyond what we thought they were going to in our forecast. I think that's a pretty good possibility.
spk06: All right, great. Just the last one, I know you've got some pretty big CapEx plans and probably a little exhausted from tidying up the ERP system with the Park USA acquisition, but maybe you're just your boy on the phone.
spk01: the balance sheet over the next uh next few quarters here yeah we're we're going to be focused on on paying down the debt we were quite frankly a little disappointed in our fourth quarter uh free cash and and i think we have a couple things that just kind of slid out a couple larger items that slipped out that hopefully will transact in in the in the first quarter and we'll see that uh that kind of come down well that's that's really our focus for him we're we're really uh trying to reload things and get the debt paid down as fast as possible. So that's in addition to just kind of, you know, obviously finishing things up on the reinforced concrete pipe machine and normal maintenance capex. We think that's really our focus for 2023. Okay. Thanks, guys.
spk03: Appreciate it. Thanks, Brent.
spk02: And our next question comes from the line of David Wright with Henry Investment Trust. Good morning, guys. Good morning, David. Good morning, David. A question. Did you notice any tension on the standard municipal bid pipeline versus municipalities, you know, maybe putting those things on hold, trying to figure out what to do with all of their new infrastructure bill money?
spk00: No. I mean, that wouldn't actually happen near term, David. Things like that with our backlog and what's in front of us, those things are ready to go. Some of the delays that we may see may be labor-related or getting equipment moved related or permitting related, sometimes weather related. That's why we see delays in those. The things that you're talking about, I think, with the IIJA, the infrastructure package, would be things that would be a couple years out, like the sites reservoir stuff that we talked about or the project that we talked about in the script. Those are the things that that would likely affect, but the near-term stuff, it generally wouldn't have any impact on that. There's a little bit of IIJA money right now that's in the market on an eastern New Mexico job that I talked about in the script, but we're expecting more as we go. And that funding mechanism will start to impact probably some other projects that's on the drawing board three, probably three years into the future. But no tension on that right now.
spk02: Okay, so that's not slowing anything down. People aren't getting distracted. No, not that we can see. Great. Well, that's my only question. Thanks very much. Absolutely. Thanks, David. And we have the end of the question and answer session, and I'll turn the call back over to Scott Montrach for closed remarks.
spk00: Okay, I'd just like to thank everybody for joining our call today. And before we close the call, just to leave you with a few key takeaways. You know, I think the strong second half bidding that we saw last year in steel pressure pipe has really positioned us with really strong momentum going into 2023. Despite the first quarter, which, like I said, had a lot of the same issues that we saw last year in the first quarter. And indications are that we should continue to be able to carry a relatively strong backlog by historical standards through 2003, or 23, excuse me. The precast business, again, is expected to remain fairly strong near term in the Utah market and in the precast related engineered systems market in Texas. And I think the other thing that we talked a little bit about on the call is where we expect the precast gross margins to maybe temporarily impacted by seasonality, severe weather, and short-term ERP-related challenges, and the impact on the production levels, we can continue to believe that this business is a very strong business as we move into 2023 and beyond. So I think the reality of it is the near-term goals for us continue to be to grow our precast business within the next few years to be the same size as what our steel pressure pipe business is. So I think we have, after a slow first quarter, a 2023 that looks pretty good. So I'd like to thank everybody for joining the call.
spk02: Thank you. And this concludes today's conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.
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