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spk08: Good day and welcome to the Oatley Fourth Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on a touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Brian Carney, VP of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir.
spk09: Good morning, and thank you for joining us today on OLE's fourth quarter 2023 earnings conference call. On today's call, our Chief Executive Officer, Jean-Christophe Platon, our Chief Operating Officer, Daniel Ordonez, and our Chief Financial Officer, Marie Jose W. Before we begin, please review the disclaimer on slide three. During this call, management may make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including statements regarding our future results of operations and financial position, industry and business trends, business strategy, market growth, and anticipated cost savings. These statements are based on management's current expectations and beliefs and involve risks and uncertainties that could differ materially from actual events or those described in these forward-looking statements. Please refer to the documents we have filed with the SEC for a detailed discussion of the risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied in any forward-looking statements made today. Also, please note on today's call, management will refer to certain non-IFRS financial measures, including EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA, constant currency revenue, and free cash flow. While the company believes these non-IFRS financial measures will provide useful information, the presentation of this information is not intended to be considered in isolation or as a substitute for the financial information presented in accordance with IFRS. please refer to today's release for reconciliation of non-IFRS financial measures to the most comparable measures prepared in accordance with IFRS. In addition, OLE has posted a supplemental presentation on its website for reference. I'd like to now turn the call over to Jean-Christophe.
spk06: Thank you, Brian, and good morning, everyone. Slide five has the key messages that I want you to take away from today's presentation. First, 2023 was a pivotal year for the company where we focused on stabilizing and recalibrating our business. We have achieved a lot last year, including fully funding our business plan by raising $465 million, transitioning our senior leadership team, taking actions to right-size our SG&A structure, doubling down on our asset life supply chain strategy by entering a long-term strategic partnership with Yaya Foods, as well as discontinuing the construction of the production facilities in the U.S. and the U.K., both of which will help us better focus our operations while having appropriately timed expansion and capital efficiency. And we also increased our focus on the most profitable parts of our business to ensure that our goals will be profitable and sustainable. We did this all while improving our financial profile, and we ended 2023 with a solid fourth quarter where both top and bottom line results exceeded our expectations. As we look forward to 2024, our financial guidance reflects solid top-line growth while delivering significant bottom-line improvement as we maintain our focus on driving this business toward profitable growth. Specifically, for the full year 2024, we are guiding to the following. Constant currency revenue growth in the range of 5% to 10%. and adjusted the BDA loss in the range of $35 to $60 million, and for capital expenditure to be below $75 million. Slide 6 gives you an overview of the progress that we have been making on moving each region towards consistent, profitable growth. You may recall that we began with the EMEA segment, where we prepared for growth by setting clear strategies for our teams. We also increased the simplicity of the region by reducing the spans and the layers in order to enable them to move quickly. Now, the business is driving consistent, profitable growth while reinvesting behind the brand building and innovation. We have since applied the same simple framework to the Americas and Asia, setting clear strategies and right-sizing these organizations in order to increase focus and agility. These two regions have improved their profitability through this combination of cost discipline and mix management. And I am happy to report that the America segment reported its first month of positive adjusted EBITDA during the fourth quarter, and that the Asia segment is making very good progress. We have still a lot of work to do in order to get them both to consistent profitable growth, which is why those segments do not yet have their last check marks on our dashboard slide. On slide seven, you can see the financial results of our actions. Both our gross margin and adjusted EBITDA have improved as we have moved through the year. Just as one example of how much progress we have made in such a short amount of time, the midpoint of our guidance range for the full year 2024 adjusted EBITDA is better than what we reported in the second quarter of 2023 alone. We are clearly making good progress. Now that we believe a big part of the heavy lifting of recalibrating and stabilizing our business is behind us, our teams are excited to refocus their energy on growing the business and continuing to drive results. In 2024, our top priority remains driving towards profitable growth. The entire organization is focused on driving the business towards structural, consistent, profitable growth. We have made progress on improving our profitability, and we will continue to do so. To drive towards profitability, we must bring the Oatly magic to more people. We have a terrific brand that resonates with consumers around the world, and we believe our products are second to none. In 2024, we will be stepping up our efforts to bring the Oatly magic to even more consumers. Each region will execute this slightly differently, but whether we are launching new products, expanding with new channels, or activating the brand in our unique Oatly voice, The overall goal is to bring our products to more consumers. Next, we must continue to work on the calibration of our resources. This calibration includes work on our supply chain as well as support functions. On the supply chain, this includes completing our work on discontinuing the construction of our Americas and EMEA production facilities, as well as the valuation of our AGM supply chain. On the support functions, this includes delivering on our SG&A cost reduction program, which remains on track. Finally, the entire organization will also continue to focus on strong execution to ensure that we meet the expectations of our customers and consumers. As we execute in 2024, we will be true to our mission and keep our eyes on our long-term opportunity. The World Meteorological Organization confirmed that 2023 was the warmest year in history. Given that our food systems are responsible for one-third of total human-caused global greenhouse gas emissions, we as a society need to drive a shift in our food system. And we at Oatly intend to lead that shift by making it easier for consumers to make more sustainable choices. The opportunity is massive. Global dairy retail sales were nearly $660 billion in 2023. And food service sales would make that number even bigger Converting consumers from dairy products to oat milk products will drive a reduction in carbon emissions and we are working to convert those consumers to our products as well as reduce the carbon footprints of our own products. Sustainability sits at the heart of Oatly and is a core component of our mission. Recently, We have made some modifications to our organization in order to bring our sustainability experts closer to the business in order to increase their impact. As part of this evolution, I will be assuming the responsibilities of being the company's chief sustainability officer. We also know that we must continue to balance purpose and performance as individuals. Whilst I believe performance without purpose is meaningless, I also know that purpose without performance is not possible. As an illustration of Oatly's purpose and performance working hand-in-hand, we see a massive opportunity to continue to expand our margins as a lever to fuel our company's purpose of converting consumers to our products. Our full year 2023 gross margin is approximately half of our long-term target of 35% to 40%. As we grow our volumes, leverage our assets, and drive additional efficiencies, we expect our margins to expand so that we can expand our impact. With that, I will now turn the call over to our Chief Operating Officer, Daniel Ordonez.
spk07: Thank you, JC, and good morning, everyone. I'll begin my discussion on slide 11 with EMEA, which is our largest operating segment. The EMEA segment had a strong 2023, and it finished the year with a solid quarter. Constant currency net revenue growth was just below 12% in the quarter. Some customers bought product ahead of our price increases last year, which drove a strong 11.5% volume growth in the year-ago period. This impacted the year-over-year growth, and however, looking through that, we continue to see this business as quite strong, and the retail scanner data I will present shortly supports exactly that view. The segments adjusted EBITDA margin improved to 15.9% in the fourth quarter, with capacity utilization just in the mid-70s in the quarter. We continue to believe this segment continues to have room to improve margins. Turning to slide 12, on the left, you can see that the category growth remains healthy, with all drinks growth of 11%. On the right, you can see that throughout the year, we have steadily gained market share in our largest established markets. We're very proud to say that during the second half of 2023, we have achieved the number one market share in all plant-based milks in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and in the Netherlands. This is quite the feat, given that we only sell oat milk one crop and not multiple crops of other plant-based milks. On slide 13, you can see some of the progress we have made in our new markets. Our strategy is to enter these new markets by first entering the specialty coffee channel to create the old milk category, the phenomenon in each market. These cafes are purely focused on super high quality coffee and the coffee experience. and they are the cutting edge of the coffee culture. By demonstrating our product quality and establishing trust within its community, we build up brand credibility and value proposition. As you can see, our strategy is working. We are already selling our products at a significant portion of these coffee specialty cafes in our new markets, with most countries over 60% represented. Going forward, we plan to continue nurturing these relationships while expanding beyond this channel. Now turning to slide 14, where we will start looking ahead at our plans for the EMEA segment. In 2024, we are planning to launch several exciting new products that will help round out our coffee portfolio. A decade after the introduction of the iconic Barista Edition that defined the rules of the game in this category, we're stepping up on our mission to drive further conversion away from cow's milk and into oat milk by making it easier and more accessible for our consumers and customers with new innovations and new formats. Specifically, we're launching the following. A Barista Edition Jigger which is an individual portion size serving great for locations as airplanes, trains and cafes. An organic version of our Barista products which will perform just as well as the original version. A version of our Barista designed for lighter or medium roasted coffee and high acidity coffee. Finally, a 1.5 liter version of our original barista, which is focused on saving baristas time and minimizing packaging waste. Be sure for us that these exciting new products are at your local cafe, in the air, or at the rails very, very soon. Turning to slide 15, we have had success in expanding consumers' usage of our products by offering them a range of options. We have been calling this our Go Blue strategy. In 2024, we will continue rolling out this strategy to continue making the conversion from dairy to oat milk easier. Finally, we will be launching a new and improved oat GERD in selected geographies with current high per capita yogurt consumption. It contains live bacteria, and we believe it is the best tasting plant-based yogurt on the market, and it is on par with dairy yogurt, if not better. Turning now to our America segments on slide 17. In the fourth quarter, the America segments continued to improve. Revenue grew 2% despite some of top-line health wins in food service that I will discuss. Adjusted EBITDA continued its trend to improve steadily. As JC mentioned earlier, the America segments reported its first-ever month of positive adjusted EBITDA during the quarter. Overall, we are very pleased with the progress on executing and improving our margin mix and delivering on our cost-saving actions. On slide 18, you can see our progress in retail on the left-hand side, showing that we have been steadily making progress on gaining market share in the chilled oatmeal category, while our market share is above 25% in the four weeks ending December the 30th. The right-hand side chart shows our chilled old milk percentage ACV. Over the past year, we have made steady gains throughout the year, enabled by our supply chain stability. You can see now that the distribution gains I discussed with you over the last quarter are starting to show up in the most recent data, as the impact of the shelf reset is starting to flow through. Not all of those shelf resets have been reflected in the scanner data yet, so we expect this number to continue to increase. So overall, very good progress on the retail side of our business. Slide 19 brings the impact of the shelf resets to life and a bit better. As you can see in these pictures, we now have a good branding block on our new product and sweetened super basics and creamers. are all of those on shelves. Our products are now showing up in more places and they are standing out better on shelves. Turning to slide 20 on the food service side of the business, as we discussed last quarter, we have been aggressively pursuing new customers to expand and diversify our food service customer base to drive better growth and better margins. The American segment grew its food service revenue by 4.5% year-on-year in the fourth quarter. Excluding its largest food service customer, this business grew nearly 26%. So we are clearly making excellent progress in expanding our food service customer base to bring the only magic to more consumers, more customers, while we're driving improved margins. Moving down the P&L, slide 21 shows that our co-packer consolidation in Americas drove solid results throughout the year. This initiative has driven the segment cost of goods per liter down by a solid 12% from quarter one to quarter four. This was enabled by the Yaya Foods transaction we completed earlier this year, as well as our strong ongoing partnership with Innovation Foods at our Millville facility. Both Yaya Foods and Innovation Foods have been terrific partners. As we continue to work with them to become more and more efficient, we believe we can continue to reduce our costs going forward. In 2024, the American segments will look to capitalize on the progress we have made in 2023 and bring the old magic back. to a lot more people. For example, we will be executing several exciting campaigns such as partnering with gyms and innovations and activations that are tailor-made for the health and fitness community and target almond milk consumers in particular. We will also be continuing our partnership with minor leagues baseball where we have some very exciting activations planned. This is such a great way to expand the reach of our brand beyond the country's biggest cities. So we look forward to sharing more with you just before the 2024 season begins. Turning now into Asia on slide 23. As we discussed on last quarter's call, the Asia team has moved quickly to implement the first stage of their strategy reset plan. On this slide, you can see the impact of those actions. By refocusing the business and reducing costs, there has been a top-line impact and a significant bottom-line impact. In the fourth quarter, we saw the top-line trend started to stabilize, while adjusted EBITDA improved by 10 million sequentially. Slide 24 focuses on the supply chain. You will recall that last quarter, we told you that in Asia, the team reduced their SKUs by over 70%. This helped improve efficiency in the plants. We have also significantly shifted our production from our hybrid facility in Singapore to our end-to-end facility in Manchang, China, which is closer to our distribution points. With fewer SKUs to produce, the Manchang facility is able to run longer product runs and therefore increase efficiency. The combination of the SKU's reduction and production shifts has resulted in a reduction of our cost of goods per liter by over 30% since the first quarter of 2023. Now turning to slide 25. While we are pleased with the progress today, we know that we still have work to do to get this segment to where it needs to be. And the team is squarely focused on achieving profitable growth. Phase one of our reset plan was to cut back on SKUs, drive supply chain efficiency, and reduce SG&A. Phase two is to rebuild the food service business in a disciplined way. As I mentioned on the last call, our sales teams are active and energized. They have been given the direction to continue to build the business with our core channels, geographies, and SKUs, so our business is strong, profitable, and sustainable. Maintaining a high level of channel intimacy will be important as we look to rebuild the top line and improve profitability. As we have been speaking with customers, we know we will need to round out our portfolio with additional SKUs that are optimized for the food service channel. This includes products that hit certain price points or flavorings that cater to seasonal preferences. And in 2024, we plan to introduce some of these products, and we will rebuild this business. With that, I would now like to turn the call over to our CFO, Marie-Josée David. MJ.
spk05: Thank you, Daniel, and good morning, everyone. Slide 27 gives you an overview of the P&L for the quarter. we reported 4.6% year-over-year revenue growth and constant currency revenue growth of 2.5%. This was above our expectations, driven by outperformance in our EMEA and Americas segments. Gross margin for the quarter was 23.4%, which is a 750 basis point improvement versus the prior year quarter, and a 600 basis point sequential improvement from Q3. Gross profit dollars were in line with our expectations, while the percentage margin was slightly below our expectations, partially driven by an unfavorable mixed impact. Adjusted EBITDA was a loss of 19.2 million, which was ahead of our expectations. was 41.2 million improvements versus the prior year and 16.8 million improvements versus the first quarter. Slide 28 shows the bridging items of our quarterly revenue growth. You can see volume increased 2 percent and price mix improved by 0.5 percent for a 2.5 percent constant currency revenue growth. Foreign exchange was a tailwind of 2.1%, resulting in 4.6% total revenue growth for the quarter. Slide 29 shows the revenue bridge by segment. EMEA continued to report strong growth with 11.8% constant currency revenue growth led by an 11.3% price mix improvement, which was driven by the price increase we took last winter, and we started to anniversary this quarter. America's 2.4% growth was driven by 9.2% volume growth, which was added by distribution gains and selling of our new products. Price mix was a headwind of 6.8%, driven by new product-related floating as well as consumer mix. Asia's 18% constant currency decline was driven by the actions we have taken as part of the segment's strategic reset plan. Volume declined 3.3%, which is a significant improvement for the fourth quarter's 15% decline. price-mix declined 14.7%, largely driven by unfavorable sales mix as we rationalized cues that were higher priced but lower margin. Slide 30 shows you the sequential quarter-over-quarter gross margin bridge. A year-over-year bridge is provided in the appendix of this presentation. The largest driver of the sequential improvement in gross margin is the 490 basis point benefit from Asia's strategic reset. As Daniel mentioned, this is a combination of cutting low margin skews and driving increased efficiency in the supply chain. Within EMEA and Americas, we saw a 60 basis point positive impact from pricing net of trade spend, and that was offset by a 250 basis point headwind, primarily from customer mix. We also saw continued benefit from supply chain efficiencies coming from absorption and Americas co-packer consolidation, all of which drove 270 basis point improvement. Slide 31 shows our adjusted EBITDA by segment. As you can see, each segment reported a significant improvement compared to the prior year for both the quarter and full year. Also, the fourth quarter was the first time that the sum total of the adjusted EBITDA for the three regions was positive. It's clear that the bold strategic actions we have been taking are driving results. Quarter after quarter, we have been executing our plan, improving the business, and driving the business toward profitable growth. Turning to our balance sheet and cash flow on slide 32. Overall, our liquidity position is strong, and we are continuing to improve our free cash flow. The left-hand chart shows our liquidity position at the end of the quarter. We ended the quarter with $454 million in total liquidity, comprised of $249 million of cash and equivalents, and $205 million of undrawn bank facilities. The right-hand chart shows that we have made good progress in improving our free cash flow. In the fourth quarter, free cash flow was an outflow of $31 million. As I have said previously, improving our cash flow is a priority for me, and our organization is very focused on it. As such, we expect our cash flow to continue to improve, driven primarily by improvement in adjusted EBITDA and added by improvement in working capital metrics as well as optimized capital expenditures. DAI33 shows you our 2024 guidance. Our 2024 outlook reflects the continued impact of the actions we have been taking to build a stronger business and set ourselves up for strong, sustainable, long-term, profitable growth. Turning to details, we expect constant currency revenue growth in the range of 5% to 10%. We expect currency to be a small headwind. we expect the second half constant currency growth rate to be stronger than the first half, largely driven by volume growth acceleration in each region. For adjusted EBITDA, we expect to report a loss of between $35 million and $60 million in 2024. At the midpoint, this would be a year-over-year improvement of over $100 million from where we landed in 2023. We expect this improvement to be driven by an improvement in gross profit dollars with some benefits coming from SG&A as we continue to deliver on our communicated cost reduction program. We expect adjusted EBITDA dollars to be stronger in the second half than in the first half. We expect the increase in gross profit to be primarily driven by sales volume growth We also expect the benefit from certain lower costs, which is partially driven by easing inflation in certain inputs, but also driven by our supply chain eliminating costs through productivity and efficiency programs. While we believe that the business continually improves, our guidance range for adjusted EBITDA is below what we were previously targeting. That is primarily driven by more conservatism around our assumptions on new customer acquisition and on new product launches while continuing to prioritize brand building investment to energize the brand. We will continue to aggressively pursue new business and more efficient ways of working. And we have confidence in our volume-led growth in 2024. However, we believe that it's appropriate to have a more balanced outlook at this point. For CAPEX, we are reiterating our guidance of below $75 million for 2024, which continues to assume that our third Asian manufacturing facility remains end-to-end. As a reminder, we are continuing to evaluate our options for this plan. Lastly, I would like to update you on a change we are making to our reportable segments. Effective the beginning of fiscal 2024, we began managing our operation with slightly different reportable segments. Europe and international, North America, Greater China, and corporate. The most significant change is that the Greater China business will be separated from the Asia segment. The rest of the Asia business, which includes the Singapore manufacturing facility, together with the current EMEA segment, will constitute the new Europe and international segment. We will also be moving R&D expenses out of corporate and into the individual segments to better align with how we allocate resources. In the coming weeks, We will provide recast financial information that is consistent with our new reporting segment structure. We will begin to provide our financial results under the new reportable segment with our first quarter results. This concludes our preferred remarks.
spk04: Operator, we are now preferred to take questions.
spk08: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star one on your touch-tone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed, you may would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. Our first question comes from Michael Lavery with Piper Sandler. Please proceed.
spk02: Good morning. Thank you. You touched on in your prepared remarks on the status of the relationship with your largest food service customer in the Americas and how that may or may not be changing. Can you maybe just give a little bit more detail there please?
spk07: Thank you, Michael. Daniel here. How are you? Thank you for joining us this morning. Listen, as you know, and we have said repeatedly in the last earnings, we have only one North Star, and that is profitable growth. So we have, since last earnings, continued to make steady progress on channel mix in general. We are actively rebalancing growth between the very important food service customers that are low margin. with significant growth in higher margin channels that present a very significant growth opportunity for us. You would have appreciated seeing that in the prepared remarks and in the presentation. These channels are number one, retail, and number two, the food service sub-channels in which the brand can be experienced to its fullest by customers, right? Example, universities, campuses, workplaces, and all other iconic high street customers that you've seen in recent press releases. So as you saw in the prepared remarks, we're making steady progress in these two domains, retail and food service, outside the largest customer, and the headspace for growth continues to be very significant. Now, to your question, we continue to work very well with all customers, and let me underline all. Our largest customer is no different to that. So in fact, over the past few months, our conversations have become more and more constructive. And we believe there is a path forward that is mutually beneficial. So with regards to the 2024 outlook, without giving any forecast by customer, we expect less of a quarterly headwind going forward versus what we presented at the last earnings. So thank you, Michael, for the question.
spk02: That's helpful. Just given the updated thoughts on 2024 EBITDA and the progression there, I know on slide 32, I think it is, you touched on liquidity and the balance sheet, but can you give a sense of your expectations a little bit further out? Would your change now suggest that you may be coming up towards another capital raise at some point, or do you have a multi-year plan that you've kept that off the table. Just how should we think about, you know, kind of the trajectory there and what your expectations are?
spk05: Yes. Hi, Michael. This is Marie-Josée. Let me allow first to go back to the pre-poll remarks where I mentioned that our liquidity position is strong and we continue to improve our full cash flow. When I say we believe our liquidity position remains really strong, it's because we are adequately funded from a business plan standpoint. We have healthy cash balance, as well, as you know, revolver backup. We are, as well, as we called out last quarter, driving improvement on our free cash flow from, of course, stronger adjusted EBITDA, but as well working capital opportunities. You know that those metrics from working capital are definitely super important for me. So we definitely are strong on this front. We are fully funded until we reach free cash flow positive, and we continue to work on that front.
spk02: That's really helpful. Thanks so much.
spk08: Our next question comes from . Please proceed.
spk01: Hey everybody, good morning. Good afternoon I suppose, depending on where you guys are. Given the change in your 2024 outlook, maybe we could just provide a few more details. You've mentioned some shifts on expectations on new customers, expectations on innovation. Any more color you could provide would be useful.
spk06: Good morning, Camille. It's great to speak to you again, and thank you for asking. Let me unpack for you the three main drivers that shaped the design of our guidance. Number one, I just want to reiterate the magnitude of the turnaround journey that we are driving. As a reminder, in 2022, which is just 13 months ago, this business lost $268 million of adjusted BDA. In 2023, as you just heard, thanks to our effort and the mobilization around profitable growth, we have reduced this loss by $110 million. And when you look at the midpoints of our 2024 guidance, It's projecting another reduction of $110 million between 2024 and 2023. So, the magnitude of this turnaround, $220 million improvement in adjusted BDA in two years, and what it takes to achieve it operationally, is the first driver of our guidance. Second, very clearly, in profitable growth, you hear growth. Why do I underline that? I and we strongly, this business has a massive growth opportunity in front of us. We are convinced about that. Hence, our duty is to capture this growth potential. So, our adjusted BDA guidance also reflects healthy growth investments, innovation projects, Slotting fees for our new products, new field sets for our resources, and of course, bond investment to carry our unique brand voice. All of this in a very rigorous and choiceful manner. So the second driver of our adjusted EBITDA guidance is really a reflection of this balanced, profitable growth north-south. Finally, as you have heard in our remarks, our three segments are in three very diverse situations when it comes to maturity and execution. Some are more advanced, while some, like Grace of China, for example, just completed the first phase of their reset. And therefore, our guidance needed to reflect this diversity within our segment's portfolio. And that's what guided our guidance.
spk01: Got it. Thank you. And if I may ask you, highlighted the shelf space or expected shelf space gains, can you again provide a bit more colors at 10%, 20% more? And then how does that translate to incremental sales?
spk07: Camille, Daniel here. I guess you're referring to the Americas in particular?
spk01: Yeah, I'm sorry. That's where you highlighted it, specifically for the Americas.
spk07: Yeah, well, I will try my best to answer what's behind your question, Camille, which is progress in retail, in the retail space. And I'll try to comment in the evident question about shelf space, which is obviously we're tracking and we're gaining, right? Although data is very recent, and I won't be able to fully share that with you today. But as you saw in the prepared remarks, Camille, the team is delivering some very significant distribution gains, consistent with the discussions we have in previous ones, in previous quarters. So as you heard us talking about controlling the controllables, you know, we were able to drive PDPs growth above 50%, 5-0. And the ACVs have grown for above, you know, 1,000 basis points year-on-year to 43%. and still counting. So there is more room to go there in terms of TDPs and ACVs, so weighted distribution. This has, Camille, generated the highest ever market share in oat milks. If you guys are tracking the scanner data, I know you are. So about 25% for oat milk and 6% across all plant-based drinks. The traction you might have seen in the recent scanner data with solid growth in both units and dollars in our core business. So we believe, yes, indeed, share of shares is growing, distribution is growing, and we see this only at the beginning. You know, Camille, we are the only category pure player in oat milk, and we are the brand that has proven to drive category penetration. holding that unique space and with so much, plenty of ACB runway ahead, there is more to come and more to go. With supply chain reliability issues behind and having regained distribution, we expect steady progress on distribution and sales execution to drive further profitable growth. Hope that answers your question, Camille.
spk01: It does, yeah, thank you.
spk08: Our next question comes from Andrew Lazar with Barclays.
spk00: Great. Thanks so much. Good morning, everybody.
spk03: Andrew.
spk00: I think, I guess I'm curious about the cadence of EBITDA as we move through 24. EBITDA obviously improves sequentially each quarter through 23. And I guess I'm curious whether this pattern continues as we start 24, meaning sequential improvement, Or are there reasons that perhaps EBITDA losses expand again versus the fourth quarter as we move into the first half? And if so, why? Because I think I heard you say that EBITDA dollars would be concentrated more in the back half. So maybe I've answered my own question. But I'm trying to get a sense of how you see the EBITDA cadence going as we go through the year and what the rationale behind that cadence would be.
spk04: Hi, Andrew. This is Marjorie. Very nice meeting you.
spk05: I will answer in two steps when it comes to your question. So the first one is, over the past 12 months, right, you know that we have established a foundation to drive a better business towards profitable growth. It's true that last year we guided to quarterly improvements, but we thought that it's more now helpful out of these 12 months of establishing foundations that we look more at the long-term time horizon than just the upcoming quarter. So this is just to give you an overview of why we are not driving quarter over quarter anymore. Now, as you mentioned, and you just said it, right, our guidance calls for the second half to be stronger than the first half on sales growth and on EBITDA, and this is true as well for gross margins. We are not guiding to quarters, but the first quarter, as I just said, will obviously have some dynamics, such as the Chinese New Year, such as some spend for new products, new distributions, driving, slotting, spend and trade support. I mean, you've heard us saying that two times already. As I mentioned in the prepared remarks, we are working on eliminating costs for productivity and efficiency programs. So if now I answer to the question on EBITDA, our EBITDA will be between 35 and 60 million dollars, which again I want to emphasize, a year-over-year improvement between 98 and 123 million. So, out of this improvement, just to be very precise, we are expecting roughly $20 to $25 million to come from SG&E reductions. As a reminder, SG&E includes distribution costs, and we know those are pretty variable. And the remaining portion of this EBITDA improvement will come from gross profit. So, in a nutshell, there is no guidance on quarter over quarter. There is more annual and long-term view. Understanding, as I just said, that the second half will be stronger than the first half, and this is all about from top line to bottom line. Got it.
spk00: Thank you for that. And then, yeah, keep going.
spk05: No, I wanted to make sure that answers your question.
spk00: That does. That does. Thank you. And then, you talked a little about this in the prepared remarks, but I want to make sure I have it right. You know, despite a lot of the sequential progress that you clearly have been making and you've talked about, you've pushed back the timing on getting to EBITDA positive, right, several times now. And I think don't expect it this year either, it would seem. I guess if you had to like just boil it down and sort of bucket it into maybe the top couple of things that have been the main rationale or reason for that shifting and why maybe the visibility to that hasn't been what you would have wanted it to be. Like, what would those be? What I'm trying to assess is why has it gotten pushed back? Why would your visibility to the EBITDA guidance you're providing for this year be more solid maybe than what it's been in the whatever past couple of quarters, if you kind of get my point. Thank you.
spk06: Well, thank you, Ando, JC. I'll take this one. Clearly, the way we have guided today is the outcome of our budgeting process. And if you say, what have you been doing since we last spoke, one of the things we did was budgeting, which is evaluating scenarios in the light of the business context. We have the choice to go for profit only. But this is not in line with our North Star, which is profitable growth, because it could have impaired the future growth potential of this business. So, as I explained, when we boiled down, to answer your question, the main drivers of this guidance, first, it is an immense turnaround journey to reduce 220 million loss of adjusted PDA in two years. Second, we really wanted to protect healthy growth investments to capture the massive growth potential that we believe we have. And finally, taking into account really the diverse situation across three segments. So in a nutshell, boiling down, this is what drove us. Got it.
spk00: Thanks so much.
spk08: Our next question comes from Matt Dunford with BNP Pahiba. Please proceed.
spk10: Thanks for the question. One quickly on Americas. So it sounds like food service in America's revenue is up 4.5%. Total America is up 2%. So it would imply not much growth for U.S. retail. In the scanner data, at least, we're seeing for the milk business, it's up mid-single digits or better in 4Q. So they're trying to make sure You know, we're not missing anything in terms of non-track channel impacts or inventory dynamics that held back U.S. retail revenue in Q4Q. Thanks.
spk07: Thank you, Max. Good morning. Daniel here. Yes, I will go straight into your question. What you see is the net effect of the slotting fees in Q4, Max. As you saw, there is a very heavy NPD innovation agenda that the teams are working on. starting at the end of last year, beginning of this year, with some very exciting new listings, and that's the impact. So you can see there in the volume growth, and you can see in the very exciting market data that I'm sure you've seen on January the 30th. So listen, we are seeing TDPs off the charts at 50% growth, ACV at 43% and growing. Remember, a year ago, we were at 34, 3-4, and with room to grow. So record market shares and really very, very nice dynamics in top-line growth. In our core ultimate business, about 10%. So, you know, positive outlook and the net effect of the slotting fees, that's what we can add, Max.
spk10: Great, makes sense. And then a year ago, you laid out your expectation to achieve a high 20% gross margin. This quarter, obviously, the business has changed quite a bit. The strategy has changed. Looking at the bridges you've provided over the last year, it seems like one headwind that's been larger than you might have expected a year ago was the trade promotion and mixed drag that you had. Just hoping you could expand on why this played out a bit differently than expected and also what this means for gross margin in 24. I'll leave it there. Thanks very much.
spk04: Hi, Matt. This is Ange.
spk05: So look, when we look at where we landed for gross profit, there is no anything structural or any fallout. As a reminder, when we changed our margin guidance last quarter, from high 20s to mid 20s, it was driven by the expected cost related to the execution of our RCEP plan in China, mainly from this to rationalization, as we mentioned, combined with the impact from the food service mix in the US. So those both elements somehow came slightly different from our forecast, but as I said, there is absolutely nothing structural here. I mean, we said it right, and Joseph mentioned it, there is a gross margin as a key lever to deliver on our North Star, and I am very confident on 2024.
spk08: Our next question comes from John Baumgartner with Mizuho Securities.
spk11: Good morning. Thanks for the question. Hey, good morning. First off, I want to come back to the impairment charge in Q4. I'm not entirely clear what happened there. The press release noted certain events that resulted in discontinued construction. Can you disclose the events that happened? What drove the charge? Is there a pivot from here similar to another sort of yeah-yeah agreement in your future? Any comments would be helpful.
spk06: Thank you, John. Let me take the context point. Honestly, what you see in the impairment chart for Q4 is only, and I insist only, the execution of the discontinuation of the US and EMBA factory we announced in the Q3 call. Nothing new, nothing different.
spk08: Okay, okay, great.
spk11: Second question for Daniel, if I could. Going back to slide 14 and the innovation there in EMEA, I guess it was the Jigger, the Mini, the one liter, the one and a half liter. It feels as though you're introducing a lot more complexity into the portfolio. And I think back to the ice cream and frozen dessert strategy in Asia and how complexity there impacted the business and profitability. Can you speak to the complexity in EMEA? I mean, are these products produced internally? Are they profitable? I'm just wondering at what point the complexity becomes more of a headwind than a revenue opportunity for you.
spk07: Fantastic, John. Well, thank you. That's a great question. Well, two ways in which I would approach that question, John. First, from a consumer standpoint and from a revenue pool, from a growth space standpoint, we're doubling down on the range, the barista edition, which is what really pretty much defined the rules of the game in plant-based and in oat milk. So what you see here is Since you made a comparison versus China, there is nothing similar to what we have resetted in China. This is doubling down vertically, allow me to use this geometrical metaphor, on what's working for us. So it's more locations and more spaces and more cultural spaces for a coffee moment. That's incremental growth in different spaces. Jigger, you will see it in railway stations, in airplanes, et cetera, et cetera. Organic, there are many customers that were not prepared to welcome Oakley because we didn't have an organic opportunity. That's what you see from a customer-consumer standpoint. I know your question on complexity had to do with the way we manage the operations in which we are relentlessly focusing on efficiency. This changes pretty much nothing to us. This is doubling down on the same supply chain network as we have today. In Europe, it's Vlissingen and it's Landskrona, more and more. So more efficiency. Imagine from an engineering standpoint, from a manufacturing standpoint, you're talking about the same pack sizes and the same pack formats. So you're doubling down on the utilization of the same line.
spk11: Okay, and then last, if I could, for guidance for 2024, I can appreciate the incremental conservatism there, and I think there was a mention of customer acquisition timing and some conservatism built in there. I'm curious, do we come back to that? Is that common in the context of some of the volatility in the America's food service with customer mix? Are you seeing anything at retail, just given the softness and plant-based beverage volumes? Are you seeing customers... being maybe less inclined to add SKUs at this point. Any color there would be helpful. Thank you.
spk07: No, thank you, Joe, for the question. Not really, no. It's a general assessment of adopting a conservative outlook in how we look at the business at the moment of setting the guidance. And, of course, there are multiple variables when it comes to that. It's certainly not specifically related to food service or the largest customer, as you might have in your head, or the retail dynamics, which you know in the Americas go in the exact opposite direction. Thank you very much. You're welcome.
spk08: Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn to the call for any closing remarks.
spk09: Great. Thank you very much. This concludes our call. Feel free to reach out to the investor relations team if you'd like to schedule any follow-up calls. Take care.
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