Bank OZK

Q1 2021 Earnings Conference Call

4/23/2021

spk03: Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the BankODK's first quarter 2021 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 1 on your telephone. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. If you require any further assistance, please press star 0. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Tim Hicks. Please go ahead.
spk07: Good morning. I'm Tim Hicks, Chief Credit and Administrative Officer for BankOZK. Thank you for joining our call this morning and participating in our question and answer session. In today's Q&A session, we may make forward-looking statements about our expectations, estimates, and outlook for the future. Please refer to our earnings release, management comments, and other public filings for more information on the various factors and risks that may cause actual results or outcomes to vary from those projected in or implied by such forward-looking statements. Joining me on the call to take your questions are George Gleason, Chairman and CEO, Greg McKinney, Chief Financial Officer, and Brandon Hamlin, President and COO of our Real Estate Specialties Group. To make the most efficient use of the time we have for this call, we'd ask that you please limit your questions to one or two at a time and then re-enter the queue for any follow-up questions if needed. We will now open the lines for your questions. Let me ask our operator, Joelle, to remind our listeners how to queue in for questions.
spk03: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star 1 on your telephone. To withdraw your question, press the pound key. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from Ken Zerbe with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.
spk12: All right, great. Thanks. Good morning. I was hoping you could actually talk a little bit about what drove the increase in non-purchase loan yields this quarter. Certainly it was good to see those trending a little bit higher. And how sustainable is that increase?
spk06: Tim, you go ahead if you want to take that.
spk07: Yeah. Thanks, George. Ken, this is Tim. We did mention in our management comments some additional recognition of fees from our PPP loans. There was about $3.6 million of that from the forgiveness of certain loans, about $160 million of loans that were forgiven through the PPP process that dropped $3.6 million of previously unaccreted net deferred fees into income. That was about eight basis points. contribution to our yield on non-purchase loans. We'll obviously have that for a couple more quarters. We have about $5.2 million remaining from PPP-1, from those loans that have not accreted, those fees have not accreted into income fully yet. And then we've got the PPP-2 program that obviously started this year. We've got a little over $100 million of loans that have been approved through that process, and that's got just under $5 million of fees related to that, $4.6 million at March 31. So both of those will contribute some in the second quarter and future quarters as those get forgiven over their time periods.
spk12: Got it. Okay, perfect. And then maybe just a little bit of a broader question. So in terms of competition from the non-banks in the RSG portfolio, we've certainly gone through a period where the non-banks should have pulled back on lending given the increased credit risks and uncertainty in the market. But now that we're actually coming out of that period and things do look to be getting a little bit better, should we assume that competition from the non-banks really starts to pick up again from here? And what does that imply as you're thinking about growing the RSG portfolio going forward?
spk06: Brandon, you want to take that one?
spk10: Sure, sure. Yeah, Ken, I think we're all very aware of how much liquidity there is in the marketplace right now, and your assumption or understanding is correct that there is sort of a reawakening coming out of the COVID pandemic. But, you know, I would say that that's not unlike other periods that we've been in in the past. We've faced significant competition. Late 17, early 18 was certainly a very competitive time period, and we have continued to be able to, in the face of doubling or tripling of the debt funds out there, continue to produce really good volume. There are going to be more folks out there, but oftentimes not groups that have the depth of experience and history with a lot of the sponsors that we do. So we expect a competitive environment but expect to compete very well.
spk12: All right, perfect. Thank you very much.
spk03: Thank you. Our next question comes from Brock VanderVliet with UBS. Your line is now open.
spk02: Great. Thanks very much. We could maybe shift over to deposit trends. I thought Figure 48 was great in terms of the disclosure. But if you could just speak to that in terms of the consumer and commercial areas down, brokered public funds, still heading up. What should that look like? What would you like that to look like in the coming quarters?
spk06: Rock, we've been working very hard over the last couple of years in really improving the quality and diversity of our deposit base. Our top ten depositors now account for something roughly in the range of 7% of total deposits, where they used to be high teens or even higher at one point. So we have a very diverse deposit base. We have no aversion to using broker deposits or public funds deposits, but we certainly want to keep those levels at a manageable level. And we're seeing really good acquisition on consumer and commercial business accounts and expect that to continue, and that is our primary focus, to just build a greater and greater core nucleus of customers on the consumer small business side, establish more connections to those customers by having more product connections and delivering to them services that make them more sticky and more dependent upon us to provide services to them. And Cindy Wolfe, our Chief Banking Officer, Carmen McLennan, our Chief Retail Banking Officer, and Adi Curley, our Chief Deposit Officer, have just been doing a marvelous job with their respective teams. in continuing to improve those initiatives. Mobile, online banking are big parts of that. We've had several upgrades in our mobile and online banking technologies and products over the last year or so. That has really been a big part of our story and will continue to be an important focus for us. So very pleased with the way things are going on the deposit front and We know it's not a one and done or five and done or ten and done sort of deal. It's a continuous focus that you've got to maintain, and the guys are trying to improve it every day and I think really doing a good job.
spk02: Got it. Okay. And as a follow-up in the RSG, just if you could talk about the guidance going forward. It sounds like we should expect a at least on originations later in the year.
spk06: Yeah, go ahead, Brandon.
spk10: Yeah, Brock, I think we've laid out for you what we expect on the paydown side, and we're still expecting to have significant impact there, at least in Q2, and hopefully that levels out. But, yeah, in terms of originations that we can fight that battle with, we're, you know, pleased with the pipeline that we're seeing today. We're, you know, already in, in Q2 here, we've, we've already, you know, closed eight loans. It's one of the, the stronger starts to a quarter I've seen in a while. So as I said before, the guys are fighting hard and not, not being deterred by the fact that they're having to work on some smaller loans and getting all of those that they can. And I would say that, you know, we noted that a large part of the difference between Q1 2021 and Q1 2020 was just not as many of the large mixed-use deals in some of the bigger metropolitan markets that we typically have a lot of business in were available. We are starting to see that trend reverse as the country comes out of its COVID-induced stupor. And as that has been occurring, the guys are starting to see some of those that they've been tracking and expecting to come to the market start to do that. You know, quarter to quarter, you know, the world can change, but we see the trend positive and would hope that towards the back half, you know, a lot of these deals that are coming to market today are back half 2021, early 2022 deals, but we're encouraged at what we're seeing there.
spk02: That's great. Okay. Thanks for the call.
spk03: Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Rose with Raymond James. Your line is now open.
spk06: Hey, Michael. Michael, we can't hear you.
spk03: And our next question comes from Tamara Dressler with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.
spk11: Hi, good morning. Good morning. Just, again, following up on some of the commentary on RESG, I understand the record level of payoff activity as some of that pent-up demand from last year is accelerating in the first half of this year. But I wanted to talk again on your comments on the heightened competition and some of the headwinds that that is producing. I guess as you're looking at the competitive landscape, are you seeing those pressures on the pricing side? Are you seeing those pressures on the structure side? And as you get into the back end of the year, Is it really the pipeline that you're seeing today that's giving you optimism that you can outgrow some of those competitive pressures, or should we expect to see the competition ramp up as the reopening more broadly continues to take place?
spk06: Well, Timur, let me answer that. And since Brandon's already answered it, let me answer it and provide, you know, reinforcement, I think, to what Brandon said. And Number one, as Brandon observed, we're always in a very competitive environment, except for times when everybody else pulls back from the market, as we saw in the late first quarter and second quarter and early third quarters last year when everyone else sort of disappeared. For the most part, we were still out there and very reminiscent of the experiences in the Great Recession when everyone disappeared from the space except us pretty much. So, you know, barring those exceptional times where all the visitors leave and we who are in the space all the time are still out there, we see a lot of competition and, you know, this comes and goes and it's from different competitors, from different angles of attack at different times. The competition is nothing new, and as Brandon pointed out, our guys are doing a great job of finding transactions that meet our standards, as evidenced from the fact we closed about twice as many loans in RUSG in Q1 of this year as we did in Q1 of last year. They were just 60% smaller, more or less, than the loans we closed on average last year. So The guys are doing a really good job. Competition is part of our business. And as Brandon said, our expertise and ability to execute are always the distinguishing attributes that seem to win the business for us. And certainly, we're going to be leaning heavily on those relationships, our proven track record of being reliable and executing well and having expertise in the space to win business going forward. Those distinguished characteristics have been invaluable to us in the past in winning business and we think they will be in the future. We do see a healthy pipeline emerging for the second half of this year and next year. That is the source of our optimism and our experience in the space. And you asked the question, you know, was it competition based on credit or was it competition based on pricing? And I would say yes and yes to that. And, you know, you guys, we've said this multiple times over many years, is we will not give on credit. We'll not sacrifice our credit quality to get business. That's absolutely non-negotiable. we will negotiate some on pricing as long as it achieves our minimum return standards. So yes, we are seeing some pricing pressure and we're certainly not getting as good a yield on loans originated this year and in the quarter we're in now as we probably did on loans originated in the second quarter of last year when Everyone was absent from the space, but they're still going to meet our return standards, and if they don't, we're not going to do them.
spk11: Okay, thank you. That's good, Collar. I appreciate that. And then my follow-up, just looking at the community bank, and the optimism for that to grow in the back end of the year. Can you just maybe talk about where that growth is coming from? I know you referenced that you brought on a new ABL team, and that's going to start contributing. I'm just wondering how much of that growth is going to be from reengagement in the indirect RV and marine space, and then also to the ABL point, how much of that should be contributing in the back end of the year?
spk06: Yeah, when we refer to community bank, we're not referring to our corporate and business specialty group or ABL or indirect groups. You know, the corporate and business specialty group and ABL group that we're building, those report under Brannon Hamlin. The indirect reports to Alan Jessup, who is over our community bank group as well. But we really consider... that a separate unit from the community bank group. So we are hopeful to see an increase in growth, and we've got a good pipeline of transactions we're working on in Brandon's world on the corporate and business specialty group side. That's an area we think we get some growth over the next back half of this year, really, and into next year. We're excited about this new ABL business and the leadership that we've hired for that. And then our community bank team under Alan Jessup, those guys seem to have some growing momentum. Now, they had net payoffs, obviously, in Q1, and they'll still have another – challenged with payoffs in the second quarter. But their pipelines seem to be getting better, and they seem to be getting more optimistic about their ability to win business out there. So we are encouraged about prospects across the board for growth in the back half of the year and in 2022. Okay, thank you. I'll jump back into the queue. Thank you.
spk03: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star 1 on your telephone. Our next question comes from Matt Olney with Stevens. Your line is now open.
spk00: Great. Thanks. Good morning. I want to go back to the discussion around RESG, and you noted that you're closing more loans today than a year ago, albeit smaller deals. We'd like to understand how much more capacity the current RESG team has with the current staff. I appreciate the deals are complicated and take a while to originate and close, but just curious about the capacity issue. Thanks.
spk06: Brandon, you want to take that one?
spk10: Absolutely. It's a great question, Matt. This has a trend. It's a trend that's been developing over time. We've been watching it. We have always been very on top of sort of the metrics around who can handle what and what we can produce with the team that we have. And as a result of that, we have been adding some folks in our ESG predominantly, you know, on the clothing side where sort of the sausage is made, if you will. But we're adding some spots on the origination side as well. So we're on top of that, ahead of it. We're staffed up for it and have capacity to run there.
spk00: Okay. That's helpful. And then also I was wondering if you could speak to one of your RESG loans that's received some press recently, the project in Arizona with Eritz Carlton. I think the media reports have highlighted some property liens and lawsuits and project delays. I was wondering if you could address this project from the bank side. And looking at your disclosures this morning, it looks like that loan is not substandard. Help us understand how the bank grades a loan like that that appears to be behind schedule.
spk10: Thanks. Sure, Matt. Good question. Happy to answer it. I guess, first of all, I'd say we don't have any significant concern about that loan. This is a situation that's not everyday occurrence, but it's not all that uncommon. You know, that project is an expansive and complicated project that covers, you know, 100 acres and involves, you know, a 200-key Ritz Carlton Hotel and 80 Ritz-branded villas, you know, retail space and additional pads. It spreads out, you know, over a large area, involves a lot of folks, involves a lot of off-site and on-site work, and Just a lot to get done there, and that's the kind of project that very well suits our expertise and the way we underwrite and close and manage these deals. So we're very well aware of what's going on out there in a market that's tight labor, tight materials, and a very high-quality project. some of those circumstances can lead to a situation where ultimately the sponsor developer doesn't feel like the GC is getting their work done in the way that they should or in the time period that they should and sometimes conclude that the solution is to go a different direction. It happens out there. But that's why we stay on top of these loans like we do and monitor and and watch what's going on and while we structure a loan like this, it's got a very capable sponsor and behind him a world-class mezzanine lender and developing a great product that's proven itself in as much as they've had tremendous pre-sales on the villas that they have out there and You know, we structured that loan. I think we're at 36% LTC and 34% LTV. We've got, you know, partial repayment guarantees from the sponsor that are backstopped by the MES, and we're in a very good position on that loan. So, you know, you ask how we grade it and how we think about it. You know, we have a very strong position, and in front of us, you know, great sponsorship, great mezzanine lender who are ultimately responsible for figuring out, you know, when these things come up. And, you know, we're in a position to have, you know, the opportunity to take advantage or stay with a project in the capacity we're in or more or less because of where we are, but but they're responsible for resolving it. We fully expect they will. It's a time impact. Of course, time is money in these projects, but all those issues we're watching and taking care of and making sure that when it moves forward, it moves forward in the right manner with the right folks. A new GC will probably be engaged and will move forward again with phenomenal pre-sales on the product that they produced. So, again, in short, we don't have any significant concern about that loan.
spk00: Okay. Thank you very much.
spk03: Thank you. Our next question comes from Brian Martin with Janney. Your line is now open.
spk01: Hey, good morning, guys.
spk06: Good morning, Brian. Morning.
spk01: Hey, just wondering if you guys could comment a little bit about the – the deployment of excess capital and just kind of talking about, I think you've mentioned in there some prepared remarks about the buyback, about M&A, just kind of how you're thinking about those two as you go forward here.
spk06: All right. Tim, you going to take that one?
spk07: Yeah, I'd be happy to, George. Thanks for the question, Brian. Yeah, as we said in the management comments, obviously our strong earnings profile and robust capital gives us a lot of optionality. We've got the full playbook open to us. As we've always said, our number one growth priority is organic growth. So you've heard us talk about all the things that we're doing to continue to focus on that and look for some positive momentum coming in the back half of this year and into next year. Certainly mentioned adding the new ABL business line. We'll be looking for other business lines that we can add as well. We've had a strong track record of increasing our dividend quarter over quarter, year over year. What we did not mention here is we certainly have the option and had some conversation around a special dividend. We can do a special dividend if we wanted to as well. Obviously, M&A is being talked a lot about in the industry. We've seen a lot of deals that have come up recently. We have spent more time probably in the last couple of months than we have in the last couple of years analyzing and looking at that market and spending time on M&A. We would be open to doing a cash deal or some combination of cash and stock. Obviously, it's been four or five years since we've been closed a transaction there. So thinking about the size of a transaction we do is probably going to be on the moderate end of the scale that we could do for cash or some combination of cash and stock and use some of our capital to do that. And then we've also mentioned share repurchases. Obviously, it's not our first choice, but as we look at our earnings profile and look at our growth profile for the near term, certainly a lot of conversations being had at management and with the board around that as well. So we've got the full playbook open. We're looking at all of the options, and we'll continue to monitor that. But I think we're in a very good position. you know, for the future.
spk01: Gotcha. And just the geography, you know, I guess you talked a little bit about the size, but just geography or kind of what you would look for in a potential target on the M&A side, I guess, are there priorities there as far as where the focus would be?
spk07: No, I would also say the full M&A playbook is open. When we did the 15 acquisitions from 2010 to 2016, we obviously looked within our footprint, but we expanded our footprint certainly within the southeast. But we also did a transaction that was headquartered in New York that had branches in Florida. So we did a couple of transactions that had great deposit bases that were 100-year-old deposit franchises, but also some that had newer deposit franchises. So we will look at a lot of different things. We always have, and we've got the flexibility with our capital and our management team to do that. Obviously, RESG operates in a lot of different markets across the U.S. We've got a lot of good intel and a lot of top markets across the U.S. So I think we would keep that playbook open as well.
spk01: Okay, perfectly. Just one follow-up, and I don't know for whom, but just the new initiatives you talked about, both the ABL and maybe a little bit more focus on the subscription finance business. Could you talk a little bit about kind of growth expectations over time or just how things are going to progress there? Thanks.
spk06: Brandon, you want to take that one?
spk10: Sure, sure. Well, you know, I'd start with the ABL side, and, you know, we're very excited about that opportunity and finding an individual to lead that group that really has the same sort of credit DNA and thought processes around how to originate and close and manage those credits that really mirror the way we think in RESG. So we're excited about that opportunity. It will take time to ramp that up. You know, we'll hopefully, you know, have some wins here in 2021, but I would expect that it'll be, you know, the following year before we see material moves there. And, you know, the CBSG group, in particular, the subscription facilities, they're ahead of the game there and moving ahead. We had a positive year last year, but we think we'll beat last year in 2021 and continue to go from there. I think some of the synergies that we're going to start to realize with bringing in these different specialty verticals, they'll be cross-selling across those that we expect. to benefit from. Certainly, that's the case at some level already with CBSG and RESG, but when we bring this ABL lender in and get that started, we expect to see more of that. So, hopefully, the sum of the parts is, you know, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts in that case.
spk01: Perfect. Okay. Thank you for taking the questions.
spk03: Thank you. Our next question comes from Michael Rhodes with Raymond James. Your line is now open.
spk08: Hey, everyone. Sorry about before. I had some technical issues, but just wanted to go back to that hotel credit that moved up on the LTV bubble chart. Can you just give some color there? I'm sorry if I missed it. And then just related to that, you know, the CEO of a large hotel group, you know, basically came out and said the other day that there might be some more need for Some properties. What are you guys seeing in terms of opportunities for the hotel book as we move forward? Thanks. Brandon, why don't you take that one?
spk10: You betcha. I'll kind of start from the back and come back around. On the opportunities, we continue to see hotel opportunities, not as many as there were obviously pre-COVID, but in some of the mixed-use projects that we've talked about. There are some opportunities there. So I think, you know, the trends are extremely positive there. Everyone's still so obviously down relative to 2019, but moving in the right direction. So we will continue to look for good hotel lending opportunities that meet the standards that we've held to, you know, through the cycles. and expect that hospitality lending will always be a part of what we do. You know, switching to your question around the credit, the bubble that you saw rise on the chart, that was the result of a new appraisal, a recent new appraisal, and, you know, is in a situation where, you know, the market was obviously very impacted by by COVID, but we expect to see that turn around. And, you know, a little more detail, the sponsor on that particular project, we actually have three other hospitality loans with, and, you know, that one stands out at 81%, but across the four that we have with them, the average is, you know, more mid-60s. We have full repayment guarantees on all of those. We're exploring the possibility of crossing all those loans so that effectively you've got an average LTV, as I said, in the mid-60s. At this point, we definitely want to see operations improve and ramp up there, but We have a lot of confidence in that sponsor. He's contributed a lot of capital to that and other projects. So we're cautiously optimistic that all will end well on that and his other projects.
spk08: Okay, very helpful. And then maybe as a follow-up, you guys have been able to hold expenses here relatively flat. You talked about some of the new initiatives, new ABL team. you know, et cetera. Can you just talk about the outlook for expenses as you balance, you know, cost reduction efforts like branch closures, as you mentioned in the document, versus reinvestment opportunities and, you know, what that should mean for expense growth moving forward? Thanks.
spk05: Greg, will you take that? Yeah, I certainly will, George. All right, thanks for the question. You know, as we look at expenses and look at kind of where we've come from and, you know, moving through COVID and hopefully post-COVID here over the next few months, a few quarters. Our current thoughts are we would expect, while we had some noise in our Q1 expenses, we would expect that to be a pretty good indication of where we would think our expense run rate would be for the second quarter. As we talked about before, we are continuing to evaluate positions, evaluate branches, and really make sure we've got the right combination of people and branches and products as we continue to grow our bank and move forward into the future. We're also continuing to hire more talent, better talent, really try to increase the ability to serve our customers, both on the loan side and the deposit side as we move forward. So certainly the timing of some of that could have some variation from a quarter-to-quarter standpoint. But we really think that as we look at the next quarter or two that we would expect your expenses to be relatively flat, possibly down slightly or even up slightly. But really, I think Q1 is a pretty good indication of where we'd expect that runway to be for the next quarter or two.
spk08: And that would be excluding some of the one-timers this quarter, just to be clear, right?
spk05: Well, I think that, you know, those – no, I think if you look at it in totality, I think there will also be – you know, we've talked about a couple of branch closures in either Q2 or Q3. You know, there will be a little bit of noise from that as well in those quarters. I think if you just look at it from a gap standpoint, I would expect it to be relatively flat from a gap standpoint, Michael.
spk08: All right, perfect. Thanks for taking my questions.
spk03: Thank you. Our next question comes from Jennifer Demba with Truist Securities. Your line is now open.
spk04: Thanks. Good afternoon. Question on RESG. Can you just give us your thoughts, George and Brandon on the New York City market and what you're seeing changing there in terms of demand? or asset quality on your current loans there.
spk06: Brandon, you want to take it?
spk10: Absolutely. Thanks, Jennifer, for the question. I would say that, generally speaking, I feel pretty positive about New York. It depends on which property type you want to focus on, and some are coming back more quickly than others, but that's totally to be expected. Um, we've had a really, uh, strong result in our, in our condo portfolio there. And, um, you know, we, we've, we talked in our comments about how our, our New York concentration has, has been a sort of steadily, uh, coming down. And, and, um, I would tell you based on, uh, what we're seeing that will continue to be the case. just from the standpoint of projects successfully completing and really strong condo sales activity occurring in that market and other properties as well. We've noted before that our office projects there have experienced historically good leasing and we've seen some leasing in the last quarter there as well. That particular product, there's a lot more time to really understand what the long-term impact is, but in terms of our credit quality there and our assets that we finance, we're pleased with what we've seen. Hospitality, our portfolio has come down over time there, but interestingly enough, while there aren't yet as many visitors and as many beds being reserved. We've seen capital flow into the hospitality space there on a couple of our projects where outside parties have come in and invested material amounts of capital in existing projects. so um we're we're very pleased to see that um the you know a multi-family space um you know good good return of leasing velocity so you know there that that market had a very severe you know reaction a year ago and it's it's going to take a while for it to come back but we have a very positive long-term view of new york it may the numbers may may have an essential to confuse you in that because we're, you know, just due to the natural maturation of the portfolio, you know, that we originated over the last, you know, two, three, four years, you're going to see those that, that, that concentration come down, uh, you know, probably over the next couple of quarters doesn't mean we don't, uh, have the longterm, uh, faith in that market. We're, we're going to be looking, we are looking at, at opportunities in the market. Um, But the velocity of paydowns there on really successful projects will outstrip our originations volume there for the foreseeable future. But we're pro-New York. We're going to be looking for opportunities to fill back some of that space that we're creating here this year.
spk06: And, Jennifer, let me just put a fine point on a comment Brandon made. You know, you could look at our – Our peak portfolio of total commitments in New York and RESG was back in Q4 of 2018 or Q1 of 2019 at $6.95 billion, and we're at $4.87 billion. So we're down over $2 billion from our peak commitment there. That is not an intentional strategy, really, to run from New York. It just reflects the fact that we're a construction and development lender. There was a lot of really quality construction and development projects that were available in that 17, 18, early 19 timeframe in New York. So we were originating a lot of business then and in the natural cycle of things, as Brandon said, that's paying off now. With the pandemic and the fact that New York got really a little overbuilt and a lot of product types following that wave, There have not been as many new products to finance in 19, and particularly 20. Very little new construction in 20. So the fact that our portfolio is coming down, and it's probably going to go down further, probably going to go down below $4 billion in total commitments in New York, I would guess. And the fact that that's happening is not a reflection of our view of New York. It's a huge market, an important market, and there's only one New York, really, and it's unique in a lot of respects. But it just simply reflects the cadence of originations and payoffs. And when construction and development opportunities resume in New York, in uh you know meaningful ways we're going to be there looking for the same quality projects to originate going forward that we've originated there in the past thank you thank you our next question comes from aaron saigonovich with city your line is now open thank you just kind of following up on on the last uh line of questioning there in the pipeline that you have
spk09: now or the opportunities you're seeing with developers? Where are you seeing this from kind of a office or, I'm sorry, a property type or a geography? Sounds like New York's not quite coming back, not surprisingly, as quickly. Are there any parts of the business that are really kind of showing some little bit faster green shoots there?
spk06: Yeah, and Brandon, take that if you would.
spk10: You bet. Yeah, and really the answer is going to be similar to what it has been, and I would say in the last quarter or two in terms of geographic activity, you know, the southeast and southwest have sort of dominated geographically. our originations in the past, I'd say, two quarters for sure. And when we look at the pipeline and what's in it today, that continues to be the case. Although, you know, outside of New York, there's a lot of activity going in our northeast region. So we've done well there, as we've alluded to, in markets outside of New York. So, again, those trends, you know, have been pretty, pretty steady for a bit. And I would say with respect to property type as well, um, you know, the, the, the closing, uh, activity has, has been predominantly, uh, in the sort of the multifamily, uh, space. Um, uh, we've had, you know, in different markets out outside of New York, um, uh, some more condo activity and, and we're, Our Miami condo portfolio has performed well in the past, and we're looking for more business there. There are not as many deals there as perhaps in past cycles, but you're starting to see those come back, and we're very active there. And as I said before, on the mixed-use side, We are starting to see that come back. When I look forward to what may be coming there, I'd say we hope to start seeing more of those, and they tend to be larger, so it doesn't have to be that many by number of opportunities, but dollar volume can get there pretty quickly. So that sort of rounds out where we're seeing the most activity. I mean, our office is Office is still an active market, especially in some of the suburbs and not core CBD markets.
spk06: Thank you. I would add a little color to that, too. I think the fact that the big urban markets such as New York that are really heavily dependent upon mass transit and density, which have been really slowed by the by the pandemic, a side effect of that is our guys in their quest to continue to find adequate volumes of business for us have been much more active in other markets. Brandon mentioned we hadn't originated a deal, I don't know, in a couple of quarters or more in New York, but we've had really strong growth in Boston and D.C. and Philly there. In our other markets, you've seen a greater diversification of the portfolio as Chicago or L.A. or whatever may have been. San Francisco may have been less active. You've seen other suburban markets begin to play an important part in our mix, and this is highlighted in Figure 35 of our report. our management comments document where we show every MSA that we've got an active loan in. And the increased diversification and number of markets represented there I think is a real strength for our RESG portfolio. The diversification is good, but also our ability to grow this portfolio you know, and get above this kind of $20, $22 billion area where we've been for a while and get to $25 or $30 or $35 billion in RESG over the next several years. That is, to do that, we're going to have to tap more MSAs, and that's a good byproduct, a good side effect of the adjustments we've made in that business Over the last year, 18 months, we've been doing a lot more stuff in other markets, and I'm excited about that. I think it has good long-term implications for us. Thank you.
spk03: Thank you. Our next question comes from Tamara Jaisler with Wells Fargo. Your line is now open.
spk11: Hi, thanks for the follow-up. Maybe just one more for Tim. I know you said the PPP income that was accelerated was $3.6 million. Do you have the total PPP revenue for the quarter?
spk07: No, Tamir, I don't have that offhand. You're talking about with the normal accretion?
spk11: Yeah.
spk07: Those were typically yielding around 2.8% just on a normalized basis. So maybe you can back into it with that. I just don't have that at my fingertips. So the 3.6 was in addition to kind of that normal 2.8% yield. Okay.
spk11: Maybe the average PPP balance for the quarter, do you have that or no?
spk07: I don't have that either, although we did have about $160 million that was forgiven throughout the quarter, so you could probably use that as coming through on a pro rata basis throughout the month. It may have been slightly weighted towards March, but I think that should get you close. We ended the quarter... Let's see, we ended the quarter with about 280 million for PPP-1 and about 110 million for PPP-2.
spk11: Okay, got it. Thank you.
spk08: Thank you.
spk03: Thank you. I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back over to George Gleason for closing remarks.
spk06: All right, guys, thank you so much for joining the call today. We appreciate it. We're glad to report our results. We look forward to talking with you in about three months. So thanks. Have a great night. That concludes our call.
spk03: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
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