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spk09: Good morning and welcome to Procept Biorobotics' first quarter 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. We will be facilitating a question and answer session towards the end of today's call. As a reminder, this call is being recorded for replay purposes. I would now like to turn the call over to Matt Baxo, Vice President, Investor Relations, for a few introductory comments.
spk02: Good morning and thank you for joining Procept Biorobotics' first quarter 2024 earnings conference call. Presenting on today's call are Reza Zebno, Chief Executive Officer, Sham Shablock, Chief Commercial Officer, and Kevin Waters, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I'd like to remind listeners that statements made on this conference call that relate to future plans, events, or performance are forward-looking statements as defined under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. While these forward-looking statements are based on management's current expectations and beliefs, these statements are subject to several risks, uncertainties, assumptions, and other factors that could cause results to differ materially from the expectations expressed on this conference call. These risks and uncertainties are disclosed in more detail in Procept Biorobotics filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, all of which are available online at www.sec.gov. Listeners are cautioned not to place under reliance on these forward-looking statements, which speak only as of today's date, May 1st, 2024. Except as required by law, Procept Biorobotics undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements to reflect new information, circumstances, or unanticipated events that may arise. During the call, we also reference certain financial measures that are not prepared in accordance with GAAP. More information about how we use these non-GAAP financial measures as well as reconciliations of these measures to their nearest GAAP equivalent are included in our earnings release. With that, I'll turn the call over to Reza.
spk10: Good morning, and thank you for joining us. For today's call, I will provide opening comments and a general business update, followed by Sham, who will go into detail on a few key commercial initiatives. Kevin will then provide additional details regarding our financial performance and updated 2024 guidance before opening the call to Q&A. We are pleased to report another strong quarter with total revenue for the first quarter of 2024 of $44.5 million, representing growth of 83% compared to the first quarter of 2023. Growth in the quarter was driven by strong U.S. system sales, increased utilization from our expanded U.S. install base, and record international revenues. U.S. monthly utilization increased approximately 7% compared to the prior year period, which is significant given an 84% increase in our install base. We exited the first quarter of 2024 with a U.S. installed base of 354 systems out of target market of 2,700 total hospitals that perform BPA surgeries. The significant increase in new accounts in conjunction with our ability to move accounts up the utilization curve further demonstrates not only our team's consistent commercial execution, but growing customer and patient demand for aquablation therapy. As we highlighted earlier this year, there are multiple factors trending in the right direction, which will allow us to continue to execute against our long-term growth plan while being disciplined in showing a path to profitability. We believe these underlying fundamentals reflect the technology that is laying the foundation to become the BPH surgical standard of care and a business that will be a leading urology franchise globally, starting with the hospital CapEx environment. We continue to believe the market is stable to improving compared to the previous 9 to 12 months. Specifically, we are having more proactive conversations with the hospital CFOs and IDN network partners who just a few quarters ago were exercising more caution in pursuing general CapEx investment given lingering macro headwinds. With a growing and increasingly educated patient population, Along with motivated urologists, we are seeing hospitals prioritize investment in our aqua beam robotic system to ensure they stay competitive and not lose patients to other area hospitals. Given the disruptive nature of our technology and that patient outcomes are independent of surgeon skill or experience, every BPH hospital can now build a robust BPH practice with aquablation therapy and not have to refer patients out to area specialists. Given this market dynamics, we are still very early in our adoption curve with a long runway in front of us selling to BPH hospitals. Additionally, in the first quarter, we launched a pilot program at our first ambulatory surgery center in the United States with one of our most experienced aqua population surgeons. To be clear, we sold 38 systems in the first quarter but placed 39. The 39th is the aforementioned ASC and is included in our U.S. installed base of 354. Our primary commercial strategy remains focused on penetrating BPH hospitals and partnering with the thousands of urologists who perform resective surgeries. For aquablation therapy to be the market leader, we first need to convert the majority of TURP and laser procedures which are primarily performed in the hospital setting before making a meaningful transition to ASC. Our objective in placing systems at ASCs is to ultimately expand the surgical market long-term and increase overall surgical patient volumes that were previously either on medication or failed medication. To note, there's established Medicare reimbursement for acquisition therapy in the ASC at approximately $6,200 per procedure. We are encouraged with early utilization metrics at this center and will provide additional updates when it makes sense in the future. Turning to our commercial organization. We entered 2024 with approximately 40 capital sales reps, of which 10 were added in the third and fourth quarter of 2023. As a reminder, we believe the productivity curve for capital reps is approximately six months. Over this six-month period, They are responsible for building out their respective pipelines. Thus, we do not expect the capital reps added in the fourth quarter of 2023 to start meaningfully contributing to U.S. system sales until the second half of 2024, which is factored into our 2024 guidance. Additionally, we hired a new strategic account team, which is not included in the 40 capital reps. Sham will provide further detail on this team's early impact in the first quarter. Next, touching on our utilization team. Given our strong commercial momentum and expanding pipeline, 2023 was an investment year to meaningfully increase headcount and add capacity to support future growth. Similar to our capital rep team, we entered 2024 with the most experienced utilization team in the company's history. While we will continue to increase headcount in 2024, it will be at a slower pace compared to 2023. Our goal in 2024 will be for these traps to continue to identify and train new surgeons at the existing and new accounts to increase utilization. With respect to international performance in the first quarter, We generated $4.3 million of international revenue in the first quarter of 2024, representing growth of 65% compared to the prior year period. Growth in the first quarter was once again driven primarily by strong sales momentum in the United Kingdom. Given the accelerating interest from UK surgeons and strong unit economics on handpiece and system average selling prices, We plan to make further investments in 2024 in the UK to accelerate growth and expand patient awareness. Additionally, following our post-market survey in Japan, we have generated significant interest from Japanese surgeons. We are currently in the final stages of signing sales contracts with some of the most reputable urology practices in Japan, and we plan to launch a population therapy program later this year. While we are excited about these early placements, it will take time to build our pipeline and launch accounts to start generating meaningful procedure volumes and revenue. Like the US and the United Kingdom, our strategy is to lead with clinical data and key opinion leader adoption to support a more robust and sustainable commercial launch. Lastly, I want to touch on prostate cancer. A few weeks ago, we announced we will be hosting an investor event and surgeon panel at the 2024 American Neurological Association Conference in San Antonio on Friday, May 3rd at 8 a.m. Central. A webcast option will be available on our IR website for those who cannot attend in person. The agenda for Friday's event will be to highlight six months follow-up data of patients treated for prostate cancer with aqua ablation therapy. Additionally, one of our panelists will share a specific prostate cancer case and how the patient was treated. Lastly, we will conduct a fireside chat with Dr. Inderbir Gil, founding executive director of USC Urology and chairman of Urological Cancer Surgery at Keck School of Medicine of USC. The fireside chat will focus on limitations of current prostate cancer treatment options and why aqua ablation therapy has the potential to be a great option for patients and ultimately surgeons who want to recommend a treatment that is effective and reduces rates of unnecessary harm. We look forward to seeing many of you this Friday in person. To conclude my prepared remarks, every key metrics we track continues to move in the right direction. our pipeline and sales funnel continue to grow nicely in what we currently believe is a stable to improving macro environment. On average, the longer an account has been active, the more procedures they do. We are launching new accounts with more surgeons while sustaining retention rates consistently above 90%. Our commercial organization is the largest and most tenured in the company's history, which we believe will lead to increased productivity. And lastly, we will continue to enroll patients in both prostate cancer studies to support aquabulation therapy's clinical value in this therapeutic area to expand our footprint in the larger urology market. Given this positive momentum, we believe aquabulation therapy is laying the foundation to become the BPH surgical standard of care, and Procept is emerging as a leading global urology company. With that, I will turn the call over to Sean.
spk04: Thanks, Reza. I appreciate the opportunity to speak today as this is my first time participating in our quarterly earnings calls. While I've met a number of you at various investor events and bus tours, my name is Sham Shablok and I am Procept's Chief Commercial Officer and have been with the company since March 2019. Having been at Procept for over five years now, it is very fulfilling to look back at what we have collectively been able to accomplish in a relatively short period of time. While our recent history has been exciting, we believe our future will be transformational. To build off Reza's section, I want to provide additional context on a few key areas, starting with an update on our strategic accounts team and relationships with IDNs. As Reza mentioned, we successfully hired a strategic accounts team who joined ProStep with decades of experience selling capital equipment and building successful robotic programs and large IDNs. The role of this team will be to focus on partnering with strategic IDN networks across the country to improve our sales efficiencies in both the capital selling process and improve utilization at targeted IDNs. As a reminder, we successfully established sales and legal contracts with the majority of large strategic IDNs in 2023, which allowed this new team to hit the ground running in the first quarter. Our IDN strategy is initially focused on the top 17 strategic IDNs that account for 29% of BPH hospitals. Regarding system sales in the first quarter, we saw several sales to these strategic IDNs. In prior quarters, hospitals in these IDNs would access regional or local funds to purchase the AquaBeam system. In the first quarter of this year, multiple strategic IDNs used corporate funds to complete Aquabean purchases. This is a positive shift demonstrating the support of aquablation therapy at the corporate level of strategic IDNs. The systems purchased by these IDNs in the first quarter were already in our targeted sales pipeline and well-progressed in our sales process, so they did not add to our forecast incrementally. Nevertheless, the strategic account team played a crucial role in utilizing corporate funds to deploy AquaBeam systems in hospitals where we already had an existing surgeon champion. Given an improving hospital CapEx environment and this team's early contributions in a quarter that is typically seasonally difficult, I not only have a high degree of confidence, but high expectations for what they can accomplish in future quarters. Turning to surgeon interest and patient awareness. As we have communicated to investors over the last few years, Our primary focus is for aquablation therapy to become the standard of care for BPH surgery. And to achieve this goal, we have prioritized surgeon engagement, patient outcomes, and training. Regarding surgeon engagement, in the first quarter, we held numerous peer-to-peer medical education events, which included participation from hundreds of urologists who were introduced to aquablation therapy for the first time. Given the growth we have experienced over the last few years, Our medical education events have been a great way to highlight our technology and for customers to share their positive experiences with aquablation to prospective physicians. This allows our participant surgeons to engage more effectively with their respective hospital CFOs to eventually acquire an AquaBeam robotic system. Regarding first quarter procedure volumes, the primary drivers of procedure volume continue to be active surgeon growth and adding new surgeons at both existing and new accounts. Additionally, our ability to maintain surgeon retention rates above 90% demonstrates the clear patient and surgeon benefits of our technology, which ultimately leads to increased utilization. As a company, we benefit greatly from this high level of surgeon retention as our commercial team can focus on adding new surgeons. And with that, I will turn the call over to Kevin.
spk12: Thanks, Jim. Total revenue for the first quarter of 2024 was $44.5 million, representing growth of 83% compared to the first quarter of 2023. US revenue for the quarter was $40.2 million, representing growth of 85% compared to the prior year period. In the first quarter, we sold 38 AquaBeam robotic systems with average selling prices of $373,000, generating total US system revenue of $14.2 million, representing system revenue growth of 62% compared to the first quarter of 2023. As Reza indicated, we sold 38 systems in the first quarter, but placed an additional system at an ASC. While we may consider additional ASC placements in 2024, these placements are not factored into our system revenue guidance for 2024. U.S. handpiece and consumable revenue for the first quarter of 2024 was $23.6 million, representing growth of approximately 101% compared to the first quarter of 2023. Handpiece growth was driven by an increase in the install base of AquaBeam robotic systems, which has grown 84% from the first quarter of 2023. Additionally, monthly utilization of 6.8 handpieces per account increased approximately 7% compared to the first quarter of 2023. Utilization in the first quarter exceeded our initial guidance and, as expected, was down sequentially given normal elective procedure seasonality compared to the calendar fourth quarter. Overall, we continue to see increased utilization across all cohorts, which is a direct reflection of strong commercial execution, training new surgeons, and surgeons taking the next step to adopt aquabulation therapy as their treatment of choice for all resective procedures. We shipped 6,811 handpieces in the US in the first quarter, representing unit growth of 100% compared to the first quarter of 2023. First quarter handpiece average selling prices were approximately $3,200. We also recorded $1.8 million of other consumable revenue in the first quarter of 2024. International revenue for the first quarter was $4.3 million, representing growth of approximately 65%. Gross margin for the first quarter of 2024 was 56.2%, representing an all-time high and 120 basis points above the high end of our first quarter guidance we provided in February. Gross margin expansion in the first quarter was due to strong execution from our operations team and our ability to absorb overhead expenses along with revenue overachievement. Moving down the income statement. Total operating expenses in the first quarter of 2024 were $52.7 million compared to $40.9 million in the same period of the prior year and $50.8 million in the fourth quarter of 2023. The increase was driven by increased sales and marketing expenses, primarily to expand the commercial organization, and increased research and development expenses, and general and administrative expenses. When comparing revenue growth to operating expense growth, we grew revenues 83% in the first quarter on 29% operating expense growth, which is a favorable ratio of 2.9 times. Total interest and other income was $1.7 million. Quarterly interest expense from our $52 million term loan was offset by favorable interest income from our cash balances. Net loss was $26 million for the first quarter of 2024, compared to $28.5 million in the same period of the prior year. Adjusted EBITDA was a loss 20.4 million dollars compared to a loss of 23.9 million dollars in the first quarter of 2023 our cash and cash equivalence balance as of march 31st was 229 million dollars we believe our strong balance sheet will provide the liquidity and capital resources needed to support and grow our current business moving to our 2024 financial guidance we now expect full year 2024 total revenue to be approximately $213.5 million, representing growth of approximately 57% compared to 2023. Starting with US systems, we continue to expect approximately 45% of system sales to be in the first half of 2024, which we attribute to normal seasonality and our expanded sales force becoming more productive in the second half of 2024. This exhibits a similar cadence to what we experienced in 2023. We also anticipate system average selling prices in 2024 to be approximately $370,000. Turning to U.S. handpieces, we continue to expect to sell approximately 33,000 handpieces for the full year with average selling prices of approximately $3,200. We also expect other consumables revenue to be approximately $9 million for the full year. Regarding quarterly cadence, we expect utilization to modestly increase sequentially throughout the year. Additionally, we expect U.S. service revenue to be approximately $12 million. Lastly, on international revenue, given another strong quarter and positive momentum in the United Kingdom, we now expect full-year international revenue to be approximately $18.5 million, representing growth of approximately 56%. Moving down the income statement, we now expect full-year 2024 gross margins to be approximately 58% to 59%, an increase from our previously issued guidance of 57% to 58%. Regarding quarterly cadence, we expect gross margins to increase sequentially throughout the year, with the second quarter being approximately 57%. Turning to operating expenses, we continue to expect full-year 2024 operating expenses to be approximately $231.5 million, representing growth of 29%. In terms of quarterly cadence, we expect the second and third quarter operating expense growth to be in the low 30 percentage range compared to the prior year period. Given current interest rates, we expect to generate net interest income of approximately $7 million in 2024. Given the increase in revenue and growth margin, we now expect full year 2024 adjusted EBITDA loss to be approximately $70 million, an improvement from a loss of $73 million from our previous guidance. Lastly, we expect our cash burn to approximate our adjusted EBITDA and improve sequentially throughout the year. At this point, I'd like to turn the call back to Reza for closing comments.
spk10: Thanks, Kevin. In closing, I want to thank our employees, customers, and shareholders for all their support to help us along our journey to becoming the standard of care for BPH. We will continue to leverage our commercial and clinical investment to execute on our long-term strategy. Have a great day, and I look forward to seeing many of you at our AUA investor event on May 3rd at 8 a.m. Central Time in San Antonio, Texas. At this point, we will take questions. Operator?
spk09: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. If you have a question or a comment at this time, please press star 1-1 on your telephone. If your question has been answered or you wish to move yourself from the queue, please press star 1-1 again. We will pause for a moment while we compile our Q&A roster. Our first question comes from Craig Bezier with B of A Securities. Your line is open.
spk00: Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the question, and congrats on a good start to the year. I want to focus on, Kevin, your comments on utilization and the sequential improvement in the monthly utilization. And it's a little bit different than kind of the seasonality that you saw last year. So maybe if you can give us a little bit more color on kind of what you're seeing that gives you the confidence that you can see that utilization accelerate throughout the year.
spk12: Yeah, thanks, Craig, and good to speak to you this morning. It's a fair observation. We are really pleased with the strong start to the year on monthly utilization, which is up about 7% year over year. And coming off the first quarter, we just believe this provided us with multiple proof points and high confidence to continue to drive the sequential utilization throughout the year. And specifically, we do look at a variety of metrics around utilization, whether that's launching new accounts now with multiple surgeons, which has increased over prior year, which leads to sequential increases in utilization. We're also seeing older cohorts now perform more procedures than they were previously performing. And lastly, we continue to see surge in retention rates kind of above 90%. So when we couple those factors together, we don't want expectations to get ahead of ourselves, but as our guidance implies, we're going to exit the year with right around 500 systems in the U.S., And given the larger install base, the new accounts are having less and less of a dilutive effect, which gives us some confidence to modestly increase utilization sequentially throughout the year.
spk00: Got it. That's helpful. Thanks, Kevin. And if I can ask on, obviously, you know, it was good to see some of the profitability metrics, you know, the gross margin, you raised your guidance. OPEX stayed where it was despite raising revenue guidance. So that's good to see. And I would love to get a little bit more color on how confident you are that you can continue to drive the leverage in the business and potentially any additional leverage or upside to the leverage that you're already expecting.
spk12: Yeah, and we stated this on our last call when we issued full-year operating expense guidance that we wanted 2024 to be a year where investors felt there was room to overachieve on the top line, but we would be disciplined and kind of maintain our guidance around our operating expenses. And that manifested itself in our first quarter results. And specifically, when I look at OpEx, what's exciting for the business is really the exit velocity that our guidance implies from a leverage standpoint. You're going to see year-over-year OpEx growth in the fourth quarter in the low 20% range with improving margins, which should be 60% plus exiting the year. I think this is going to demonstrate to our investors tremendous leverage as we exit the year, and we feel really good about our ability to achieve that.
spk00: Great. Thanks for taking the questions, guys. Congrats again.
spk12: Thanks, Craig. Good to talk with you.
spk08: One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Matthew O'Brien with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.
spk15: Morning. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe, you know, just for starters on the ASC side, just talk about what you're going to be looking for in terms of pursuing that opportunity, you know, the investments you need to make to go down that pathway, you know, the profitability profile versus the hospital. And I guess why is now the time to start to pursue that just given all the opportunity that you have within the hospital settings?
spk10: Yeah, thanks, Matt. Our primary commercial strategy remains focusing on penetrating high-volume hospitals and partnering with the thousands of urologists who are performing resective surgeries. At the same time, we know in order to become market leader, we have to convert the majority of terp and laser procedure first in the hospital before we make meaningful transition to ASCs. In the prepared remarks when we talked about the particular site that we installed the system is one of our most tenured and experienced surgeons. In fact, this individual actually requested to pursue an ASC. This was quite frankly a pull, not a push. But our objective in placing system at ASC is to ultimately expand this market. I don't know, Sham, if you want to add anything to this.
spk04: Yeah, thanks, Matt, for the question. The why now question is a good one in the sense of this is not a new interest from our surgeons we've received. desire to go to ASC in the past, and we've talked about it. As Reza mentioned, we have a lot of opportunity remaining in the hospital setting. We continue to be hyper-focused on that opportunity. With that being said, when we look at specific markets, there are some areas that have adopted the technology quite rapidly, where we have large penetration in certain geographic areas, surgeons with a lot of aquablation experience. We have established Medicare reimbursement in the ASC. There are a lot of things that we potentially feel like we want to validate in 2024 as far as the pilot program goes. And like Bradley mentioned, we have surgeons that have a desire to do it. So we're using 2024 as a pilot year for us to kind of get this program up and going. So in the future, if we desire to expand the ASC, we have that process worked out. Regarding leverageability of the Salesforce and profitability, we now have a good footprint in the U.S. We have a utilization team that has worked and experienced with this experience in the hospital, so we won't need to hire additional people to go into the ASC environment. We'll just continue to leverage our current Salesforce.
spk15: Got it. Appreciate that, Sham. Maybe for Kevin or Matt B, just on the gross margin side, it was really good in the quarter. I think Craig was talking about this to some extent as well. But just the performance was well above what we were expecting in a feeling softer quarter. Can you talk about where some of the improvement came from there, sustainability, that improvement? And then I know the guide for the year went up on that metric. Is the exit velocity potentially even higher coming out of Q4 for gross margins versus what we may have been thinking a few months ago. Thanks.
spk12: Yeah, thanks. So, I'll just first address our Q1 performance. The majority of this upside did come from us operating more efficiently at our new facility. We had increased production, we had reduced scrap, and we had improved fixed cost absorption, particularly compared to the fourth quarter, which we talked about on our last call. being viewed as one-time items. And I think the first quarter kind of proved that out. And we do expect this trend to continue to improve as we increase revenue. You also do see some pricing favorability in our revised guidance. We now believe we're going to be solidly in the 370 range on systems. You see handpiece ASPs going up about $40 to $3,200. And all of that is helping kind of drive confidence and predictability in our gross margins. Dan Barahona- Regarding specificity around Q4. I mean, we didn't guide that particular number. I did say that we do expect the second quarter to be approximately 57% Dan Barahona- And improving from there, which by definition would mean that Q4 has to be 60% plus to get to that full year guide to 58 to 59% Dan Barahona- Thank you.
spk08: One moment for next question. Our next question comes from Josh Jennings with TD Cowan. Your line is open.
spk01: Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions and great to see the strong start here in 2024. I wanted to follow up on just some of these profitability questions and thinking about the operating expense guidance for 24 and the leverage I think you've called out, I guess, two times revenue growth over OPEX growth in 24 versus one and a half times in 2023. As we think about 2025, we're not issuing guidance for the out years, but is that the right kind of pace of leverage improvement to think about as we're moving into 2025 and 2026 as we're updating our models?
spk12: Yeah, we're not going to guide specifically the 25, so I'll make a few comments. I've been consistent in saying I do think that two-to-one OpEx leverage is a good leverage that will get this business to profitability and something we're striving to achieve for on future years of the company. And we did demonstrate something better than that in the first quarter. And those are the numbers. But what I can say is the mentality of the company, and I've now been here kind of five-plus years, and we're – Previously, revenue growth was, I don't want to say the sole focus, but it was definitely the internal focus of the management team and making sure that we could prove to the market that we have a technology that has the ability to become the standard of care. And that took a lot of investment to do. I now feel the mentality has changed internally where this pathway to profitability, a commitment to profitability, understanding that you know, now with our revenue growth, we need to ultimately show profits to our shareholders. That's been embraced by the whole team at Procept, and we're just operating in, I would say, a much more disciplined fashion than we have previously. And, you know, the first quarter's only one quarter, but I feel good about kind of the direction the business is heading in.
spk01: Understood. And then I'm going to make another follow-up on – or a different follow-up on the ASC channel. And I guess – I was hoping you could share just the pace of the algorithm centers are using the discharge protocol. Are there more centers that are discharging patients through the hospital outpatient department, I guess, schedule on the same day? And just are these patients being sent home with a catheter and then coming back in for a check? And just additionally, I mean, is that same day discharge possible? attractive for centers? Is that algorithm going to drive increased profitability per occupation treatment? And is that something that the team can market to drive even stronger adoption trends? Thanks a lot.
spk10: Thanks, Josh. So same-day discharge, we have many accounts that at the hospital setting started that COVID that were implementing a protocol that allowed same-day discharge. So at the ASC setting, that also happens. Sham, do you want to add anything about this particular account?
spk04: Yeah, yeah. Hi, Josh. So the uptake of same-day surgery in a hospital setting has significantly improved over the years to a point now where we have a very large percentage of surgeons that discharge patients the same day. Obviously, in an ASC setting, you don't have a standard inpatient environment where you keep patients, or you could in many situations, but you choose most of the time to send them home the same day. And so when you do an aquablation in an ASC setting, in a physician-owned ASC setting, your intent is to have that patient go on the same day. You'll see at the AUA this year and other publications that there are multiple centers now, one outside the U.S. and one in the U.S. that are routinely doing patients in the ASC and uncomfortably sending patients home the day of the surgery, which going back to your question as far as the discharge, you wouldn't do that as a surgeon if you did not have ultimate confidence in your ability to treat the patient and send them home the same day. So you would never do a patient in the ASC without that confidence. And so that speaks to the clinical improvement that's happened over the last five years. It speaks to the confidence our surgeons have in the safety of our product. And so it's you have all those boxes checked from a clinical and safety perspective. As far as the profitability of the procedure, reimbursement is established. We feel like this is an opportunity for surgeons to take the site of care patients desire to be in environments like the ASC. And so we think there's a large opportunity for us in the future to go into ASCs. But like I said, there's a market dump for folks in the hospital when we think about when we think about the ASC for us as a market expansion opportunity in the sense that there's a lot of patients that are on the sidelines that don't desire to go to a hospital, and we think this is an opportunity for us to expand the market beyond the hospital environment.
spk01: Thank you.
spk09: One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Richard Newitter with True Securities. Your line is open.
spk14: Hi, thanks for taking the questions, and congrats on a great start to the year. Several for me. Maybe just starting on the IDN strategic account team. Good to see that in place. Seems like it's coming right at a time when you have good visibility into all of the corporate C-suite level IDN contracts in place. What does this really... do for you in terms of if you could talk to your visibility into the funnel conversion? Does this just give you a better line of sight to timing of the existing funnel and when that can translate to revenue? I'm also just wondering if perhaps it does something for your visibility into pricing now that you're putting a firm stake in the ground for a $370,000 ASP. That's tended to fluctuate, and you've always said to brace for that. So has anything changed there that I haven't followed?
spk12: Yeah, so I'll start. This is Kevin. Maybe I'll turn it over to Sham. And Sham did mention in his remarks, we did see in the first quarter for the first time multiple strategic IDNs use corporate funds to complete AquaBeam purchases in the first quarter. And while this is positive, these deals were already in our targeted sales pipeline. They're well-progressed in the funnel. Where prior quarters regional or local funds were used and it is good to see this momentum and just the dynamics of that team. I would argue that some of these fields wouldn't have gone over the finish line without the incremental ads that we had in strategic accounts team and their relationships. with these administrators at IDN. So with that, maybe I'll turn it over to Shane to talk a little bit about the team dynamics there.
spk04: Sure. So I think there's a couple things to think about when you think about IDN relationships and programmatic success. Every IDN actually has a different goal. And so it's really important that when you are starting to get to the point where we are as a company, we're not working with one or two hospitals in IDN. We have significant footprint now in some of these IDNs that we understand what their goals are as a hospital network, and that we're building programs to achieve those goals for each hospital. In the past few years, we were really focused on starting to build our footprint, and that is not something and there's the clinical benefits of the procedure. So for our strategic accounts team, they have a bifurcated kind of goal. One is to obviously get new hospitals to acquire the technology, but number two is to make sure those programs are very successful so the IDN wants to continue to buy more robots in the future. What we talked about in our prepared remarks was The first time we really saw in Q1 of 24 that we saw corporate IDNs allocating funds at the corporate level to buy robots from Procept. In the past, yes, we had contracts with the IDNs, but they would let the local funds or regional funds be used. And so this shift is obviously showing that our IDN team is starting to make a difference in understanding the needs of the corporate IDNs, and hopefully long-term they'll serve us well.
spk14: Okay, thank you. That's helpful, caller. And maybe just on the ASC, I guess physicians and checks we've done and the physicians we've spoken to have suggested anywhere from 15 to as much as 30% of their TURP or resected volumes being performed in the ASC. Some have actually brought their ASC volumes back to the hospital patient just so they could use aquablation. But I'm just curious, can you reconcile kind of that anecdotal feedback on the ASC kind of resected procedure opportunity and how that stacks up with what you see as the procedures being performed in the ASC? What's this open up to you?
spk12: Yeah, thanks, Rich. This is Kevin. The last data we publicly shared was from 2019, which suggested that about 10% of the 300,000 resected procedures were performed in the ASC. We haven't updated that number, but just anecdotally, I think we hear the same thing that you hear, that it wouldn't surprise us if that number has increased from 2019, but the last data we have is that 10% of receptive procedures were in the ASC.
spk04: Yeah, I would say that there's, naturally, we've all read that the hospital trend long-term setting, we're aware of that. And we believe, like I said, long-term, we have a great opportunity to serve that market as well. But the majority of our procedures continue to be in the hospitals. The vast majority are in the hospital setting, their respective surgery. And when we look at ASCs, we look at it as a market expansion opportunity for us. There are millions of men that are on pharmaceuticals, that fail pharmaceuticals, that choose not to go to the hospital setting. And that's what we're focused on, is expanding the market.
spk08: Thanks, guys. Congrats. One moment for our next question.
spk09: Our next question comes from Brendan Vasquez of William Blair. Your line is open.
spk05: Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking the question. I just want to focus first on systems. You had a great quarter on the systems there. Just maybe talk a little bit about what kind of visibility and comfort you have into that ramping through the year because system placement still needs to kind of ramp through the year as we move forward.
spk12: Our guidance is really unchanged in terms of cadence, where we still do expect 45% of our systems to be sold in the first half of the year, which is unchanged. I think you are alluding to the fact that that would require a large number of systems sold in the fourth quarter. Obviously, we have a funnel that we believe supports that, but when I look specifically the exit of Q4, what our guidance would imply. It does suggest somewhere kind of in the 30 to 35% unit growth of systems in Q4 of 24 over 23, which if you look at that in terms of our sales capacity, we're going to have about 30 to 35% more fully productive sales reps as well. So not only do we believe we have the funnel that kind of supports that robust Q4, but we also have the sales capacity And we do believe we have kind of a high degree of visibility into that. So while it may appear to be kind of a hockey stick on the surface, we think it's in line with our historical performance and in line with our productivity metrics and in line with what we see in the funnel.
spk05: Okay. And then on the IDN side, I think you guys mentioned it was about 17 IDNs that you're initially focused with this new strategic team. Can you just talk to us a little bit about, you know, you have better data, obviously, on specific account adoption versus the whole market. Are these 17 high-volume IDNs that are maybe in the first quartile of adoption still, and your opportunity here is to make aqua ablation standard of care, or are these some of the accounts? I know in the past you've talked about some accounts that have switched already basically to 100% aqua ablation. Where on the adoption curve do these kind of 17 accounts fall, just to get a sense of what the opportunity is as you focus on them more?
spk04: The 17 strategic IDNs that we're talking about represent roughly 30% of our BPH hospitals. From a sheer numbers perspective, about 800 hospitals. That is not the only IDN opportunity we have. That's just our primary focus is working with the largest strategic IDNs. There are many other IDNs that we also have contracts with that are buying our systems, but just to in the market across the country. Regarding the actual adoption, it is very similar to the rest of the country at this point. We don't see these large IDNs necessarily adopting at a faster rate because we have pretty good adoption across the country. Like we've talked about before, we're actually seeing small and medium sized hospital adopter technology in addition to high volume BPH hospitals. I do think long term there is an opportunity. We already hear from some of our IDNs the benefits of aquablation. There's a strategic IDN that has told us and showed us data that represents their urology business as a whole in 2023 increasing, and they have shared with us that the aquablation is the primary reason why that occurred in their total urology business due to surgeons and patients shifting their practices and coming to the hospital for aquablation. So a lot of excitement there on the IDN front.
spk12: And just to close on that, I think it's also good to see that Even with these corporate IDN sales in the first quarter, we did not see downward pricing pressure on systems compared to the fourth quarter of 2023. So it's really good to see there as well.
spk09: Got it. Thanks, guys.
spk12: Thank you.
spk09: One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Chris Pasquale with Nefron Research. Your line is open.
spk03: Thanks. A couple of follow-ups on the ASC opportunity strikes me as an important milestone on a couple of fronts. For one thing, physicians don't tend to like to do procedures in that setting where there's a lot of bleeding risk. So maybe to start, could you just talk about what it says about where aquablation stands today from a safety standpoint and resolving some of those very early issues with the procedure?
spk10: Yeah, thanks. As you recall, we had published data on bleeding more than a year ago with the protocol that we implemented in January of 2020 all the procedures conducted since then we are very happy with the outcomes in fact it's best in class in as far as bleeding is concerned even compared to other procedures and many accounts as I mentioned have already started discharging the same days. So we are seeing great progress over there. And that composition doesn't come up much anymore. It was pre, I would say, the protocol that was implemented in 2020.
spk03: Thanks. And then, Reza, can you just clarify what you think this really means for your long-term system placement opportunity? Do you see the ASC as being wholly incremental where now when you look at a high volume hospital you think about not just one unit but potentially multiple units in multiple settings of care? Or could it mean in some of these cases that it's a shift in setting and a unit is going into an ASC that might otherwise have gone into a hospital?
spk10: As we said, Shyam and I, we said this is really about market expansion. Initially, yes, we started very thoughtfully with the high volume centers. of hospitals, 860 of the 2,700. The data, as Kevin mentioned, in 2019 was 300,000 respective procedures, but there are more than 12 million men with BPH, and many fail to medication. So our ultimate goal is expanding that market, starting with the hospital. So we are not seeing this as Either or, it is placing our system both at all these hospitals and ASCs.
spk04: Yeah, I would just add to that, Chris, that we're being very deliberate in the sense of, and I mentioned this already, that we have a lot of interest to go to the ASC setting. We have not done that because we want to make sure that we do our proper job of pen in the hospital market, and we have a lot of opportunity to continue doing that, but there are certain areas where we have a lot of experienced, high-volume aquabulation surgeons that now have their geographic area that has penetrated many hospitals. You'll hear from one on Friday at our investor conference. There is MSAs or geographic areas that now have a complete footprint of aquabulation hospitals. That's an opportunity for us to go to the ASE and expand that market at that point.
spk09: Okay, thank you.
spk08: One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Nathan Trebek with Wells Fargo.
spk09: Your line is open.
spk13: Hi. Thanks for taking the question, and congrats on a strong quarter. I wanted to focus on AUA. You talked about showing six-month follow-up data from your prostate cancer trials. I guess, what are the key data points that you expect physicians will be focused on here? And assuming the data is good, do you expect aqua ablation use in prostate cancer in 2024?
spk10: Yeah, thanks. Definitely, we are very excited to share more data on Friday. I hope you will be able to attend. The agenda is to highlight the six months follow-up on those early patients. Those early patients, the primary focus initially was to remove the contraindication for patients who have BPH and cancer, and FDA removed that contraindication. The next step is the two IDE studies that we have started. So today, if patients have BPH and cancer, one can treat their BPH. But the goal is to leverage on our previous safety profile that we have shown for BPH because it's the same organ, same procedure to treat cancer patients, but this is too early to say this is ready for commercialization for cancer. The goal is to present more data and, again, starting with the safety profile and shows efficacy there.
spk04: Ned, I'll just say that we're very excited about the opportunity. You'll hear Friday and cancer, the labeling for us, like Reza mentioned, allows us to treat BPH patients that have prostate cancer. You'll see some of that data as well on Friday. It's a large segment of men. And so, we will continue to collect the data and then we'll, excuse me, we're talking about prostate cancer. There's no running to this. We'll be cautious. We'll collect the data and we'll let the surgeons drive the adoption once they see the data.
spk13: Okay. Thanks for that. I believe I also saw that you're going to have an ASC study presented at AUA. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but what can we expect from this data? And like, do you expect this data to drive increased interest to moving into the ASC setting?
spk04: Yeah, I would say what this does for us is it validates the safety of our procedure. For many years, we've had to kind of defend the fact that our procedure is safe in the early years of commercialization. And like we've talked about multiple times on this call, surgeons would not be doing this procedure in an ASC setting. if it was not a safe procedure to do. And so you'll see that the outcomes on the clinical side basically mirror the efficacy that you get in a hospital setting, and the safety is obviously paramount, and that's highlighted in this data as well.
spk09: Okay, thanks. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Ryan Zimmerman with BTIG. Your line is open.
spk11: Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. I hate to stay on the ASC topic, guys. I'm sure you're sick of answering these questions. But I have to just ask, is the goal with the ASC strategy to also bring in some of the non-resective cases that would otherwise be done alternatively to resective? And, you know, kind of And I don't know if you feel like you have to, I apologize, but it's not clear to me. You know, when you think about market expansive, are you saying just those TERPs that are done at ASC, or is the broader goal to, you know, expand into the non-resective segment?
spk10: Thanks, Ryan. Our goal is to treat men who have BPH. In fact, most of these men today are on medication, whether they go for resective or non-resective. Our goal is to treat all men. Yes, today we get some of those patients who are wanting to get non-resective in a hospital setting. So we are not necessarily focusing that are these patients for non-resective or resective. These are patients who are looking for long-term durability and efficacy on the procedure.
spk04: Hey, Ryan, I would say that ultimately we want to be where the surgeons are going to spend their time operating. And that means that the hospital and ASC are both settings that we want to be in. There's a huge opportunity currently with the over 1 million men in the U.S. that have failed pharmaceuticals and have not done anything from a surgical option beyond that. We look at that as our ultimate opportunity. When we talk about market expansion, it's real. It's there in front of us. And so we don't necessarily say we're going to target to take this from one procedure or another. We're looking at BPH patients that have failed medications and taking those to the ASD is a real opportunity for us.
spk11: Okay. Two other questions I just want to throw in here. One, any impact that you've seen thus far on the loss of pass-through payment in the hospital setting? And then my second question that I'll squeeze in here is just, I'm wondering if you could just talk to the dynamic and the discrepancy between kind of handpiece sales growth and the growth of utilization and kind of how to reconcile those two for investors that look at that and point to that as It's something they're concerned about.
spk10: I'll take the TPT part of it. No, the short answer is no, we are not seeing that. In fact, we have started talking about the retirement of TPT more than a year ago, and the hospitals are buying our system for the clinical outcome and making the practice more efficient. In fact, as you saw, we had a slight increase in our pricing last quarter. And we were very happy with utilization and install. So the short answer is no, we are not seeing that impact.
spk12: To follow up on your second question, just to reiterate to what Reza said, I think it's fantastic that we were able to raise handpiece ASPs in a quarter where the transitional pass-through did subset itself, which we believe is a proof point that it's not impactful to our business at all. we saw very little pushback from the price increase that we implemented in the first quarter. Your second question, I think, are you trying to discuss any differences between hand pieces shipped and procedures? Is that kind of the genesis of your question?
spk11: Yeah, I think that's right, Kevin.
spk12: Yeah, so for us, our customers, we sell direct in the U.S., so we don't sell to distributors, and therefore our customers tend to order as they need product, which is somewhere in the 5 to 10 range is the standard order size. We don't have large stocking orders. We don't have fulfillment houses. So for us, we don't see that. I'd also suggest that our visibility in the procedures is very high. So we have the ability to see who's doing our cases, when procedures are performed, And we have a high degree of visibility there. So I don't have any concern or there hasn't been any changes in trends between hand pieces sold and procedures. And, in fact, when we went public back in 2021, we told the investment community if there ever was a change kind of between those dynamics that, you know, we would be proactive. And we just haven't seen anything there at all. Thank you. Thanks, Brent.
spk08: One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from Mike Kratke with Learing Partners. Your line is open.
spk06: Hi, everyone. Thanks for taking our question. Maybe a couple high-level ones from us just on the prostate cancer developer program. You know, first, how are you thinking about the size of this commercial opportunity and to what extent can this be TAM expansive? And then maybe just as a follow-up, can you provide an update on the timelines for your ongoing clinical trials and what a regulatory path forward in this indication could ultimately look like?
spk10: Yeah, thanks. So as far as the opportunity for cancer, there are millions of men in the U.S. who are on the sidelines and opting for, they are basically watchful waiters. For us, it's early to assess that market. That's why we are starting to conduct clinical studies. Where we see the benefit of our technology is, again, I start with the safety profile, because we are, if we can replicate the same safety profile as we had in our water study, that is a great plus to what the current treatments are. On Friday, this will be discussed in more detail. Hopefully you can attend and see that. And the second part of the question, but could you repeat that? Just on the timelines for the ongoing clinical trials and what the regulatory task is. We are conducting the PRCT001 and 002. One is 100 patients, the other one 20 patients, one with BPH and cancer, the other one doesn't, patients do not need necessarily to have BPH. So once we finish those studies, then we're going to move into another timeline. But at this point, we are not talking about the nature of that study. But the whole goal, similar to BPH, is to generate enough data because we want to lead with clinical data when we enter this market.
spk06: Got it. Thanks very much.
spk09: And I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back over to Reza Zainal, CEO, for any closing remarks.
spk10: Thanks, everyone, for attending this call. We look forward to seeing many of you, hopefully, at the AUA Investor event on May 3rd. And thanks again, and see you soon.
spk09: Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's presentation. You may now disconnect and have a wonderful day.
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