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spk01: Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Primary Services Corporation Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during your session, you will need to press star 1 on your telephone. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. If you require any further assistance, please press star 0. I would like to hand the conference over to our speaker today, Ms. Brooke Whitten, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
spk00: Good morning, and welcome to Prime Morris' third quarter earnings conference call. Joining me today are Tom McCormick, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Kim Dodgers, our Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, I would like to make everyone aware of certain language contained in our State Harbor Statement. The company cautions that certain statements made during this call are forward-looking and are subject to various risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from our projections and expectations. These risks and uncertainties are discussed in a report filed with the SEC. Our forward-looking statements represent our outlook only as of today. We disclaim any obligation to update these statements except as may be required by law. In addition, during this conference call, we will make reference to certain non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures are available on the investor relations section of our website. I would now like to turn the call over to Tom McCormick.
spk03: Thank you, Brooke. Good morning and thank you for joining us today to discuss our third quarter results and our financial outlook for the remainder of 2021. Our results show the strength of our overall business model and the strategic value of the acquisitions we've made in recent years. These acquisitions position us in key markets as our economy moves toward a zero-carbon future. This is especially evident in our growing backlog. All along, we've said that we have tremendous opportunities and prospective projects. And while we announced some contracts in the third quarter, the fourth quarter is shaping up to be even stronger. The $130 million solar project we announced last week is a good sign of things to come in this market. Reflecting our confidence in our future prospects, on November 3rd, our Board of Directors authorized a share repurchase program for the repurchase of up to $25 million of outstanding common stock. Under the share repurchase program, we can, depending on market conditions, share price, and other factors, acquire shares of our common stock on the open market or in privately negotiated transactions. Our Board will re-examine the program again at the end of December 2022 when it expires. You will also note that in our earnings release that we added some non-GAAP calculations. We hope this will make it easier for investors to compare our results with those of our peers on an apples-to-apples basis. Year-to-date, our revenue was $2.6 billion. This was driven by our utility segment revenue, which was up 21%, and our energy renewables segment revenue, which was up 16% over the same period last year. Year-to-date net income was $86.2 million, up 18% compared to last year. Our nine-month EPS is $1.63, which is a 9% increase as compared to the same period in 2020. That increase is especially significant when you consider that we have the 4.5 million additional shares from our secondary offering in the first quarter. When you look at our full-year EPS from 2017 to 2020, the CAGR increased over 15%. In addition, our strategic focus on master service agreements is continuing to show results, with 53% of our current backlog made up of MSA-based work. This is another record level for us. For the third quarter, we generated $913.2 million of revenue. Our solid performance in the utility and energy renewables markets demonstrates that our investment in these areas over the past several years continues to provide solid returns. Our pipeline segment revenue decreased by close to 50% as compared to the prior year. However, in 2020, we substantially completed a $127 million pipeline project during the same period. Now let's look at the three segments in detail. Our utility segment had a strong third quarter performance. Revenue came in at $454.7 million. That is a 10% increase compared to the same period last year. This increase was primarily due to the addition of future infrastructure, which represented approximately $65.1 million of revenue for the quarter. We continue to make progress on the integration of future infrastructure. The integration activities are more than 85% complete, having completed 450 of the approximately 520 activities. even as revenue rose some of our operations continue to experience delays associated with customer design material shortages and slower permitting processes this is all part of the covet hangover impact which is a market-wide challenge that we've previously discussed however we are now starting to see work that was held back earlier in the year ranking up and we expect it to be released in the first quarter of 2022. Major operations activities during the quarter included sending approximately 300 crew members to assist with the power restoration efforts in the states along the Gulf Coast that were heavily impacted by Hurricanes Ida and Nicholas. Our utilities group continues to enter new geographic markets. As an example, during the quarter we signed an MSA for emergency storm services with a northeast electric utility provider. This provider serves approximately 1.4 million customers in 29 different counties. We are targeting this market for additional work and should start to gain momentum over the next six months. Future infrastructure expanded its customer base and presence with the execution of new contracts to install aerial and underground fiber optic cable across the state of Texas. Two specific contracts to note include a $50 million two-year MSA with a two-year optional renewal and an additional $16 million two-year MSA. Both of these master services agreements will provide communication services to historically underserved communities. This work began during the third quarter of 2021. It is clear that the acquisition of future infrastructure is already bringing us opportunities as demand for data and bandwidth continue to grow. And we expect billions of dollars, actually we expect tens of billions of dollars of further investment in 5G and fiber networks to be required in order to keep up with the demand. We will continue to create synergies between future infrastructure and our other business units that will help create growth for our overall business. Now turning to our energy renewables segment. Revenue increased to $351 million for the quarter. That is an 11% increase over the same period the prior year. The biggest contributor was renewable energy activity, which grew by $67.9 million. Operationally, we continue to make progress on the LNG project in the Northeast, and we expect this project to be completed in the first quarter of 2022. The project is currently in the final stages of pre-commissioning activities of its mechanical systems. Turning to contract activity, I mentioned last quarter that we were in late-stage discussions regarding a thermal power project in the Southwest. In late August, we secured this $100 million, 200-megawatt project. We've already begun the engineering and procurement and have recently mobilized to the field. The project should be completed in the second quarter of the next year. In addition, we have over $800 million in prospective projects. Many of these projects are currently working under limited notice to proceed in anticipation of full contract award. Final contracts for these projects should be executed over the next quarter. Two of the LNTPs we mentioned last quarter for initial engineering work and long-lead procurement on utility-scale solar facilities were finalized in the third quarter. One was for a 101-megawatt project located in the Midwest. The second was for a 185-megawatt project that is located in the Southwest. Initial construction on both projects will begin work in Q4 this year and will extend into the second and third quarters of 2022. In addition, we recently announced another solar project award with an estimated value of $130 million. The award is for the engineering, procurement, and construction of a utility-scale solar facility in the Southwest. Early construction is scheduled to begin in the first quarter of 2022. The completion of the project is expected in the fourth quarter of 2022. Our level of expertise and quality execution on solar projects are creating repeat opportunities from our clients. We are currently working with a client on multiple solar projects, and they have recently awarded us a fourth project. This client has indicated they would like to partner with Primorch for multiple project teams on several projects over the course of the next three years. One of Morris' strongest and least appreciated assets are our customer relationships. We have contracts with companies that we have been working with on a relatively continuous basis for 20 years and longer through multiple contract hikes and contract renewals. And now we are building that same level of customer relationships in the solar market. And beyond solar, other renewable natural gas and gas-to-liquids projects that were deferred during the pandemic are now moving into front-end engineering. As an example, we are set to perform the front end engineering on the Yosemite Clean Energy's renewable biofuels project. Slowly we use gasification technology to convert farm and forest wood waste to syngas and ultimately into carbon negative green hydrogen and renewable natural gas. This project takes advantage of our extensive experience in syngas, hydrogen, and renewable natural gas production. In October, we announced seven Energy Renewables Heavy Civil Project Awards with a combined value of over $115 million. These projects are located across the Southwest. The award start dates begin as early as the fourth quarter of 2021 and end in the range from the back half of 2023 through mid-year 2024. The $225 billion renewables market continues to expand, and we are positioned to grow with it. A recent U.S. Department of Energy study notes that by 2035, solar energy has the potential to power 40% of the nation's electricity. This study also indicated that in order to accomplish this, annual solar capacity additions or installs will likely need to quadruple over the next decade. That means going from 15 gigawatts per year in 2020 to close to 60 gigawatts per year in 2030. The DOE report also highlights the need for new tools that increase grid flexibility. This includes storage and advanced borders, as well as transmission expansion that will help move solar energy to all parts of the country. All this grid modernization fits perfectly within our capabilities and will drive our growth for years to come. We will have over a billion dollars in backlog as we close the year for work associated with 2022 and 2023 solar projects. Even as we build our backlog of renewable energy projects, our more traditional heavy civil business continues to perform well. We've been notified of an award and are in the process of a contract execution on a Gulf Coast project that is scheduled to commence in Q1 of 2022 and extend into 2027. The energy renewable segment backlog will increase to approximately $1.7 billion by the end of the year with the addition of this project. Moving on to our pipeline services segment, After an exceptional 2020, this year continues to play out more in line with its 2019 performance. Revenue came in at $107.6 million for the quarter. While this is a decrease year over year, it is slightly ahead of our expectations for the quarter. One contributor was the higher productivity we achieved from the outset of a major pipeline project, in which we completed all the mechanical work during the quarter. In August, Hurricane Ida impacted most of our projects along the Gulf Coast, including this one. We are currently completing our punch list items and expect project completion and acceptance by the customer this quarter. Another pipeline project in Nevada was completed on schedule and significantly under budget. This benefited this segment's Q3 results. Most of our other pipeline projects are on track. We have two large projects operating ahead of plan and on budget. We anticipate a West Coast project will resume in early Q4 or early to mid Q1. This project recently experienced delays associated with approvals and permits. As we expected, the increase in commodity pricing, as well as some renewed understanding of the need for reliable, affordable, dispatchable energy across the world, has increased the project development activities of our customers. The push towards carbon neutrality has led to additional opportunities for construction of renewable natural gas pipelines. We are seeing major carbon capture projects being released for bid, including one of which is terribly budgeted for $350 to $400 million just for the facility's work alone. This is a reminder that our expertise extends across all types of pipelines, whether it be transporting natural gas, crude oil, refined products, NGLs, carbon dioxide, or water. The Morris pipeline is working with Morris Renewable Energy to utilize some of their pipeline resources and expertise in order to help Cree expand the budget capacity. This will help us leverage the project execution and management expertise that exists across all of Morris business units. Now, moving back to the big picture, across the board, we are focused on working with our customers to address and alleviate supply chain issues. That means we are ordering materials ahead of our normal schedule. We're increasing our capex to order equipment now for delivery in 2023. We are also focused on being disciplined about the projects we undertake so that we stay true to our strategy and manage our risk profile. And as always, we are focused on the health and safety of our workers. Across our businesses, we maintain a superior safety record. For the first nine months of the year, our total recordable incident rate was 0.53, which is ahead of our corporate target of 0.60. As of the end of September, 16 of our 19 business units had zero lost-time injuries, and five of the 19 business units had zero recordable injuries year-to-date. COVID-19 remains a health and safety priority. We continue to follow CDC guidelines as well as protocols established by our clients for their sites. We also continue to encourage our employees to get vaccinated. In regards to the vaccine and testing mandate for companies with more than 100 employees, we are watching this go through the various legal hurdles and are in the process of creating a plan to comply with whatever is ultimately required by OSHA. We are designing a plan that addresses four elements. First of all, validation and or documentation relating to which employees are vaccinated. And second, testing of unvaccinated employees to meet the requirements determined by OSHA. Third, evaluating the impact this will have on our multiple labor agreements. And finally, evaluating the legal implications to our contracts and MSAs with our clients. Before I hand off to Ken for a review of the numbers, I want to take a moment to look forward. As you can see, we are well positioned to meet the needs of the changing energy infrastructure across North America. as it transitions to a zero-carbon future with more energy coming from renewable sources, grid modernization, and greater reliance on broadband and 5G technology. Electrification is a huge piece of this to support the electric vehicle fleet, as well as other technology additions to the power load. In line with this transformation, our revenue mix is shifting from almost exclusively conventional energy and civil infrastructure to a large and growing proportion of solar energy, electric grid transformation, and communications infrastructure. We have spoken previously about the potential impact of the infrastructure bill Congress has been working on. None of that potential has been baked into our current projections. Now that it has passed in the House, whatever opportunities come to our business units from this bill will be pure upside for us. We have to see what actual projects materialize, but I can only see positive news in this legislation for Promorse. We are in unprecedented times, not just because of the energy transition, but because so much of everything we do has been, is, or will be impacted by the global COVID-19 pandemic. Nearly 21 months ago, after the virus first triggered workplace and social shutdowns, none of us accurately predicted how the pandemic would be affecting workplaces, processes, and supply chains. Yet we do know that the short-term disruptions in some ways are accelerating the urgency of some of the long-term trends, such as grid modernization and the expansion of broadband, even as the implementation has been slowed by the pandemic. As we emerge from this pandemic, We at Comoros believe that the underlying demand for our services is not abated. We are here for the long game and intend to be a leader in contributing to the strength of our communities and our country as we build America's infrastructure in new and more sustainable ways. And with that, I'll now turn it over to Kim. Thank you, Tom, and good morning, everyone. Let me begin with our key operating metrics for the third quarter, and then I'll discuss our balance sheet, cash flows, and backlogs. I'll wrap up with our guidance before moving on to your questions. Our third quarter revenue was $913.2 million, a decrease of only $29.5 million compared to the prior year. The decrease was primarily driven by a $106.8 million decrease in pipeline work, as expected, offset by a $41.4 million increase from the utility segment and a $35.9 million increase from the energy and renewable segment. Despite the declining revenue, gross profit for the third quarter was $127.4 million, an increase of 3.8 million. The increase in gross profit was primarily due to the acquisition of future and good project closeouts for the pipeline segment. Gross margins increased to 14% for the third quarter compared to 13.1% for the prior year. Now let's look at each segment. Energy and renewables revenue was up by $35.9 million compared to the prior year on the continued strength of our renewables work, which increased by over $50 million compared to the prior year. Gross profit was $35.9 million, an increase of $8.4 million, or 30.7% compared to the prior year. This is primarily due to higher revenues and margins. Gross margins increased to 10.2% during the quarter, compared to 8.7% in the prior year. This was mainly due to higher costs associated with the LNG plant project in Northeast in 2020. Despite the lower revenue in our pipeline segment, we generated gross profit of 27.8 million, which was slightly below the 28 million we made in the prior year. Gross margins came in at 25.8% for the quarter, This was primarily due to some favorable project closeouts during the quarter. While it's nice to finish strong on these projects, I expect fourth quarter pipeline margins to be back to our normal range of 9% to 13%. The utility segment revenue was 41.4 million in the quarter, with future contributing 65.1 million offset by slightly lower revenue from our legacy operations. Many parts of our utility segment, including future, faced headwinds from both project and material delays related to COVID-19. And our electric operations in Texas were impacted by the ERCOT moratorium for most of the quarter. These temporary issues resulted in lower revenue, idle equipment, and lower crew utilization. Despite these headwinds, we generated 14% gross margins during the quarter, compared to 16.5% in the prior year. I'll also remind you that last year's gross margins had the benefit of near-record storm work that contributed an extra 1% of gross margin. Taking all this together, gross profit was $63.7 million for the quarter, down $4.4 million from the prior year. Future contributed $11.4 million of gross profit with gross margins of almost 18% this quarter. SG&A expense in the third quarter was $61.7 million, up from $57 million in the prior year. The increase was due to $6.5 million of incremental SG&A from the future acquisition, which is less than what we originally expected for the quarter. As we continue to integrate future, we expect our SG&A as a percent of revenue will continue to be in the mid-6% range for the full year 2021. And once we complete the integration, next year's SG&A should be back down in the low 6% range. Interest expense in the third quarter was $4.7 million. This is in line with the prior year. The consistency in interest expense was due to higher debt balances in the current year, driven by the future acquisition, offset by lower average interest rates this year. Our effective tax rate during the third quarter was approximately 27.5% compared to 29% for the prior year. We expect our full-year effective tax rate to be approximately 27.5% as we are seeing more of our work coming from states with lower state income tax rates. Debt income was $44.1 million for the quarter, slightly better than the $44 million in the prior year. Diluted EPS was $0.81 compared to $0.90 in the prior year as a result of the dilution from our first quarter equity offering. As Tom mentioned earlier on the call, we have implemented three new non-GAAP metrics to be more comparable to our peer group and to make our results more comparable from quarter to quarter and year to year. We've added adjusted net income, adjusted EPS, and adjusted EBITDA. Let's start by discussing our adjusted EPS. These adjustments include non-cash stock-based compensation, transaction integration and related costs, amortization of intangible assets, amortization of debt issuance costs, unrealized gain or loss on interest rate swaps, and the cumulative income tax impacts of these adjustments. After making these adjustments, our adjusted EPS was 89 cents per share for the third quarter, compared to 93 cents per share in the prior year. And year to date, our adjusted EPS is $2.04 per share compared to $1.69 in the prior year. Adjusted EBITDA for Q3 was $94.7 million, an increase of 8% compared to $87.9 million for the same period in 2020. And year to date, adjusted EBITDA was $230.8 million, a 25% increase compared to $184.7 million in the prior year. The EBITDA adjustments include non-cash stock-based compensation and transaction and integration and related costs. Now let's move to operating cash flows. In the third quarter, operating cash flows were $9.3 million, and year-to-date, they were $14.9 million. The decrease in operating cash flows in 2021 was mainly due to lower deferred revenue this year as a result of the decline in pipeline work, and the $43 million deferral of FICA tax payments under the CARES Act in 2020. In the third quarter, we invested $39.4 million in CapEx, of which $35.9 million was used for construction equipment. And year-to-date, we've invested $102.1 million in CapEx, with $91.7 million invested in construction equipment. We have increased our spending on equipment this year in preparation for the growth we're expecting next year and beyond. We expect our remaining 2021 capital spending to be in the $10 to $20 million range, with almost all of that spent on construction equipment. We ended the quarter with $199 million of cash. Borrowing capacity under our revolver was $155.5 million, providing total available liquidity of $354.5 million at quarter end. Total debt was $678.6 million, and net debt was $479.6 million. Over the next 12 months, we expect to use our cash and operating cash flows to support the continued organic growth of our company, reduce debt, and to pursue acquisitions that complement our growth strategy. Total backlog at the end of the quarter was $2.7 billion, down approximately $131 million from the end of Q2 as we burned through some fixed pipeline backlog and saw the timing of certain new awards temporarily delayed into the fourth quarter. Our MSA backlog remains flat at $1.5 billion at the end of the quarter, which is a record 53% of total backlog. And concluding with our 2021 earnings guidance, as a result of the temporary headwinds we've experienced the past couple of quarters, we are adjusting our guidance range and expect earnings per fully diluted share to be in the $2.10 to $2.20 range, and we are adding adjusted EPS guidance, a non-GAAP measure, which we expect to be between $2.61 and $2.71 per share. With that, we can turn it over to your questions.
spk01: As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star 1 on your telephone. To withdraw your question, press the pound key. Again, if you would like to ask a question, press star then the number 1 on your telephone keypad. First question comes from the line of Shawn Eastman from KeyBank Capital Markets. Your line is open.
spk02: Hi, team. Thanks for taking my questions. Could you just maybe refresh us on what's happening under the hood in the utilities business? The legacy revenues are down year-over-year. Maybe just understanding what's happening in T&D versus LDC. And FIH revenues, I feel like, have come in below expectations through this year. So, just a little more color on what the softness is on FIH specifically as well would be helpful.
spk03: Yeah, sure, Sean. This is Tom Cormack. The FIH, we've talked about it for the most largest part of the year. Their revenues are down. They're going to be down roughly $70 million. I'll let Ken correct me if I misspeak for the year. It's just been a really slow start to their years. But I'll tell you, their performance, especially as we approach the end of the year, is exactly where we expected on the margins or the high double digits. Next year, there's really a good outlook for next year. I think next year is going to be an exceptional year for them when we start looking at their revenues and they're going to be back where we thought they would be or should have been. So FIH, I think, is really going to be off to a good start at the beginning of next year. I think they're going to finish the year pretty strong. Gas. You know, again, one thing you have to think about is, you know, we talked about COVID hangover with respect to gas and T&D. You know, they got off to a little bit of a slow start. And in T&D, there's been a couple things that have hurt them. You know, the weather events that we talked about in the first quarter and second quarter have slowed both of those businesses down with respect to any work in Texas. But the balance of it has been really just delayed by either clients issuing work orders, and they probably haven't been issuing work orders because they don't have the materials. They haven't finished the engineering. or the COVID impacts. And a lot of that's very typical with what we've seen in the past when the economy slows down. Typically, construction suffers the next year because clients will pause, which a lot of their clients did at the beginning of this year to wait and see what's going to happen with COVID and what's going to happen with the economy. And then they launch off into their year. I expect our gas group, gas distribution group, to have a good year next year. I think they're going to finish the year strong. A lot of that depends on the weather because of some of their work. up in the central part of the U.S. in the north is impacted by the weather. They're still working right now typically on an average year. They'll work through the end of November, but they'll start slowing down in December. In good years, they get to work all the way through the end of the year. We'll just see how that works. Transmission and distribution, there's been a little bit of pressure with respect to wage battle for overhead crews. We've just seen some increases there, so we've got a lot of competition for the labor. But when you get down into substations and the distribution work they do, they're actually performing very well. And, you know, I think there was a slowdown in some of the projects, especially during the ERCOT period. work stoppage that happened this summer. And of course they lost, they also lost, you know, two weeks in the first quarter, two weeks in the second quarter. But when you talk about the ERCOT moratorium this summer, they lost project work. So that's been, that's really what's impacted them this year. And on top of that, you consider the fact that last year we had a record year with respect to storm restoration work. And this year has been very minimal at best. We don't bake a lot of that into our plans, but we do have some of it in our plans, and it's actually below plan this year. We're not going to put much of it in our plan next year, and it'll just be an upside. But we're expecting a lot of project work next year. Some of our major clients in transmission and distribution, they're doubling. They're basically increasing their spend 50%, and we expect our budgets to go up with theirs. So I think 22 is going to be a great year for them.
spk02: Okay, helpful rundown there. And then moving over to the pipe segment, it sounds like there's some green shoots on the traditional side and, of course, on the energy transition side. But as we think about the next 12 months, do you think revenues sort of settle here at this run rate in the third quarter? Or is there more downside on the top line? And at this level of revenue, what kind of margin profile should we be thinking about? I mean, the 9% to 13% target range is really wide, right? So just kind of curious in that spectrum. you know, how we should think about the business at this kind of run rate.
spk03: Sure. So I'll hit on their workload of what we think the revenues are going to be, and I'll let Ken hit on the margins. But I would expect their margins to be very similar to where they were this year. They're going to be somewhere in the $450 million to $500 million range revenue. But when you start, you know, and it's going to be probably that. I would expect it's going to be that way through the first half of next year, I think. What happens with carbon capture is going to determine what happens at the back end of the year. We are seeing some work activity. We are bidding some projects. We are working with clients on some estimates for carbon capture projects. You heard me mention in the earnings call of the one project that is roughly $350 to $400 million just on facilities work alone. And if I'm not mistaken, I think that pipeline work is close to 2,000 miles of pipeline and gathering and collection and transmission of that carbon dioxide somewhere. So if that project goes or if other projects like it go, the back half of the year could be very good. But we're looking at 450 to 500. That's where I would set an expectation. Yeah, and the margins, yeah, even though 13% is a little bit wide, you know, that's just indicative of where we are in those jobs, right? And so if we're early on in the jobs, we might be in the lower end of the range and the timing of certain jobs. But if we're toward the end and we're closing it out, we could be toward the upper end of the range. You know, I think the sweet spot is going to be right in the middle. It's going to be kind of 10% to 12%. Mm-hmm.
spk02: Okay, very helpful. It's like the CapEx guidance came down a lot. Does that impact your ability to grow in any of these segments next year? More broadly, how should we think about CapEx on a go-forward with pipeline now representing a lower portion of the mix? Does that take down the capital intensity in the business?
spk03: Yeah, well, so I'll answer your second question first. No, because, you know, there's still a pretty significant CapEx requirement for utility crews and even for some solar work as well. But with respect to CapEx, actually, you know, while the guidance came down for Q4, for full year, we're actually going to be above what we originally said. And that's because we had a pretty big spend for Q3. And as I mentioned in my comments, part of that reason for that big spending Q3, and Tom touched on this as well, is getting ahead of the equipment needs for the growth we're expecting next year. I think we even said somewhere between $10 and $20 million in the fourth quarter, maybe even a little bit more than that to make sure that we get out in front of these orders. Because there are vehicle and equipment suppliers that are saying if you don't get orders in now for 2023 or late 2022, you're not going to get your equipment supplied.
spk01: sure the people we need for us yes okay I heard that wrong helpful clarification there all right all right thanks a lot guys I'll turn it over there thanks Sean thanks Sean next question comes from the line of me to go Devon CJS securities your line is open yes good morning it's Pete Lucas for Lee
spk04: You touched on a lot of this, but can you just mention again, looking at the guidance, can you clarify which segments you're seeing the biggest headwinds from the delays and whether you expect for Q4 to be mostly a revenue headwind or margin weakness as a result, looking specifically at Q4?
spk03: Yeah, looking at Q4, you know, I think a lot of the headwinds we've had in the utility space are going to start to trail off a little bit. Pipeline is going to continue to be fairly steady state in Q4, and energy and renewables is going to be fairly steady state in Q4 as well, maybe down just slightly due to normal seasonality in Q4. And most of it is revenue headwinds that we're talking about right now.
spk04: Helpful. Thanks. And just one more for me. Can you quantify the positive trend? true-up you had in Q3 for the pipeline segment revenue and margin, and should we expect any additional true-ups in Q4 that are included in the convention?
spk03: Yeah, I mean, the margins for pipeline came in at 25.8% for the quarter. Gross margins did. Our normal range is 9% to 13%. So I think you can back into anything above 13%. We'll get you to your number. And then in Q4, no. Q4 is probably going to be a fairly steady state with respect to pipeline margins.
spk04: Very helpful. Thank you. Thanks, Pete.
spk01: Your next question comes from the line of Adam Talheimer from Thompson Davis. Your line is open.
spk05: Hey, good morning, guys. Hey, Adam. Can you comment on the Gulf Coast Industrial Award? That sounded interesting. Just curious what your scope is on that. I'm trying to think of what the Gulf Coast Industrial Award is. I thought you said there was something in the energy segment. It was going to take the year end.
spk03: In energy, there's a power generation facility that's out on the West Coast. It's $100 million that we were awarded. It's basically a simple cycle power plant that we're designing and building. And there's another one that we're bidding and negotiating, and it's behind that one. I know we've referred to that.
spk05: I thought there was something in the energy segment that was going to take the backlog to $1.7 billion.
spk03: Oh, okay. That's a heavy civil award. For a project along the Gulf Coast. Oh, that was heavy civil.
spk05: I'm sorry. I thought I heard that as an industrial.
spk03: Heavy civil falls in our energy and renewable segment. Remember, we resegmented at the beginning of the year.
spk05: Okay. But then I guess what are you seeing in general Gulf Coast industrial then?
spk03: A lot of opportunities. A lot of them are related to renewables, either renewable gas, biofuels. We're seeing some pick up in just the industrial markets with refiners coming out now with some plans and projects for 2022 and going into 2023. We mentioned a feed study that we're doing on a renewable natural gas project. You know, you're not seeing megaprojects, which is good because we don't do megaprojects. We are subcontractors on those, but there seems to be a number of projects that are in that, you know, $150 million range. And so, you know, we're seeing the market lighten a little bit. You know, we had a lot of pressure on companies bidding those last year. We were in a pretty good position on a number of them with some of our traditional clients. Got it.
spk05: And then can you comment on –
spk03: the solar side what you're seeing with panels it really depends on the type of panels the clients are utilizing and we you know we're involved in those projects pretty early as we've talked about in the past it takes six or nine months really to develop a project from the initial bid or initial discussion of project budgets to entering into a full EPC contract award. So the clients that are bidding projects or buying panels from suppliers that have longer leads, we're either getting them to buy those panels earlier or we're extending their schedules to show them what the impacts are. Most of the clients, we're guiding them and they're buying the panels early to ensure that they have supply. We've had some projects that have seen some delays, but really it's only just small impacts of the job a month, maybe with a certain section of the facilities panels coming in later than expected.
spk05: Okay. That's helpful. I'll turn it over. Thank you.
spk03: All right. Thank you.
spk05: Thanks, Adam.
spk01: Next question comes from the line of Jerry Rebick from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
spk03: Yes, hi. Good morning, everyone. Can we just talk about the Stoller? It's been a nice sequential acceleration in revenue 2Q to 3Q. Can you just talk about what you're seeing in terms of was that projects ramping up or hitting the sweet spot from a revenue burn standpoint? And can you update us on where you stand on your ability to increase the crew count heading into year end? Thanks. Yeah, I mean, we're still working to add crews. We've been successful in adding the number of them that we need to support the work that we have under contract or on our schedules right now for the balance of this year and for into 2022. We'll continue to build crews and pursue work, but we're not going to take on any more work than we can manage and staff, but we're having some success there. Obviously, it gets a little bit tighter as you continue to build, but the opportunities are huge. I mean, we've got, I can't speak to the revenue that we've burned on these projects, but under contract right now, we have just under $800 million under contract. We have another $1.5 $1 billion that's under LNTP right now, so that'll enter into project execution sometime either later this year or in 2022, that'll be executed in 22 and 23. And then we have another $800 million of projects that we're sole sourced on right now. That doesn't mean they're going to move forward. They've got to get financial approval, but most of them, a number of them, will move forward. So the market's huge. It's a $225 billion-plus market. We're going to continue to push our clients, and the governor continued to push to replace power generation with fossil fuels with renewables. they're probably going to have to quadruple how many facilities we build from 15 gigawatts a year to 60 gigawatts a year, which is, you know, will push the pressure on us and everybody else to grow. So this business, you're going to see significant growth next year from this business, from where it is, where it's going to finish this year. And we're going to continue to grow it. And is it possible to just put a finer point on that? You know, can we grow the crew count by 30%? Can you just, you know, maybe just, quantify how quickly you're able to grow staffing constraints? I'd say in a year we can probably grow the crew count anywhere from 25% to 30% a year, which is about two, maybe a little bit more crews, full crews a year. The business last year, I think it'll grow close to 50% this year from last year. Next year, it'll probably be half of that. You're just not going to grow at the same rate every year because it gets more and more difficult to do that. Plus, we just don't want to get out of our skis too much. So we're going to grow at a controlled rate. The opportunities are there. And then, you know, on the pipeline. Sorry, please go ahead. No, please go ahead. Okay, so you did hear me mention that our pipeline group now is actually providing some management personnel to PREE. They're working with PREE to help develop. their people so that they can, in the interim, whether or not there is not pipeline work, they can build their management teams with pipeline management teams and build their capacity. So, you know, there's an opportunity there, too. We're doing some cross-training to see where other businesses can provide services to our renewables group. Also, because, look, we build substations. We do underground electrical. You know, we do transmission lines. So wherever we can actually do work and complement what they're doing for their clients and add revenue to our backlog, it's, you know, we're looking at it. And, you know, on the pipeline group, you know, you folks have delivered a steady job of not occurring closeout benefits over the past three quarters. Can you just talk about what the schedule project closeouts in terms of the magnitude expected to close in 4Q and 1Q and, you know, what's the magnitude of those closeouts? How does that compare versus the magnitude of projects that you folks finished up over the first three quarters just to help us get a sense whether we might get another upside surprise here.
spk00: Do you mind repeating the question? It cut out quite a bit.
spk03: Sure, Brooke. Can you hear me better now?
spk00: Yes.
spk03: Okay, perfect. I was saying in pipeline, you've had, you know, three quarters now of really outstanding project closeout benefits. So I'm wondering if you can talk about for the fourth quarter and the first quarter, what's the projects that you expect to close out and finish up? And how does that compare to the number of projects and the size of projects that you finished up over the first three quarters just to help us get a sense for whether we could see another upside surprise potentially if things go well? Yeah. So, Jerry, I think the quick answer is most of the project closeouts that you've seen over the course of the past two to three quarters are really wrapping up some of those big projects that we worked on and started last year, which is part of what drove last year to be such a big year. And then, you know, the remnants coming into this year. In terms of Q4 and Q1, and I touched on this a little bit earlier, with respect to Q4, I don't expect any big project closeouts. And really with respect to Q1, I don't either. We don't have any big, you know, big larger projects we're working on. A lot of what we're working on these days is more maintenance upgrades, integrity work, more field services type work as opposed to big pipeline projects like we've been executing on over the course of the past year to year and a half. So I'm expecting, that's part of the reason why we're expecting kind of a more, you know, normalized run rate on revenue as well as margins over the course of the next few quarters. Okay. We'll see if you can do better than that. Thank you. Yep. Thanks. Thanks.
spk01: Next question comes from the line of Steven Fisher from UBS. Your line is open.
spk08: Thanks. Good morning. In the utility segment, you guys mentioned you're starting to see some work ramping back up and will be released in the first quarter of 2022. Can you just give a little more color there? How much work do you think was deferred from the quarter and what's allowing that work to get back up and rolling again?
spk03: Well, again, I think, Stephen, I think some of it's just the clients that started picking up their pace with respect to releasing work that was slowed, you know, for any number of reasons last year that we've discussed, whether it be the COVID hangover, supply chain, or some delays by them and just pausing just to see what the economy was going to do and what COVID was going to do. And I think they're back to normal course of business. We have a number of clients They're looking at their 22 budgets. We're trying to finish out this year on projects, first of all, and complete their spend. But next year, looking at their budgets and knowing what their spend is going to be, trying to ramp up and get prepared to kick off the year on a normal pace, which would be quite different than what they were last year. We also have new work. for new clients in new areas uh since with future and you heard us we referenced those two contracts and there are other projects too contracts that we have and not only in in future communications but in in uh in in transmission and distribution as well those projects will be ramping up at you know towards the end of this year and into next year as well so okay that's helpful
spk08: And then on the energy front, I think you mentioned there are some delays in solar, but it doesn't sound like you're too concerned about pushouts or delays or rethinks of projects. What gives you the confidence that that's the case, given all the inflation that we're seeing? Is there a way to maybe bucket the prospects you have in solar, the ones that you know are going to move forward on time, the ones that It will possibly move forward on schedule on the ones that you think are most likely to be delayed.
spk03: I don't think I could bucket them for you. I can tell you that, you know, our, our management team is well aware of what the delays are. They, they, they, in constant communication with their clients and their and their supply the suppliers so they've kind of baked those delivery schedules into their schedules and they have actually extended some project schedules uh to incorporate delays associated with the supply chain so you've seen you we've seen some of these project durations go out longer And you've seen the cost of materials and equipment go up, and we've incorporated that into our estimates. It's probably where that will affect us is our estimates or our margins on renewables projects to be probably closer to traditional, which is roughly, what, 11% to 14% maybe. And you probably won't see those big gains, at least not with respect to buy down on materials and equipment.
spk08: Okay. Thank you very much.
spk03: Thanks, Steve.
spk08: Thank you.
spk01: The next question comes from the line of Julio Romero from Sedoti and Company. Your line is open.
spk07: Hey, yes, good morning, Tom and Ken. Hey, good morning. Hey, so just following up on Stephen's question about the utility work kind of being released soon, I think you mentioned, you know, there was COVID hangover, supply chain delays, et cetera. My question is on the utility side. Is that work being released that you expect to kind of flow through first half of 22? Is that related to legacy utilities or more telecom?
spk03: I think it's actually all of them. Yeah, a lot of it's legacy. A lot of it's legacy. And it's reflecting, you know, the fact that we've been using this shirt to expand, add new contracts, you know, add new contracts and expand into new geographic areas. And so we expect some of that to start bearing fruit into Q4 and especially into next year.
spk07: A little of both. Okay. And it was nice to see futures gross margins tick up sequentially, even with revenue being pulled down a bit. Should we expect to see any leverage on the gross margin line next year as that sales number ramps up a bit, or does that kind of 18% gross margin, stay steady, stay in, you expect more leverage on the SG&A side.
spk03: Yeah, going into next year, I think it's going to be more leverage on the SG&A side. 18% is really what we've been targeting all year long. We knew they could get back to that, and sure enough, they did this quarter. You know, depending on the mix of work, I could see the margins possibly getting a little above 18% sometime next year. But, again, it's really dependent on the mix of work. That's right. It really is. And, you know, depending on the blood of work they have, if they're in a really, you know, Dense urban environment puts a little pressure on their margins when they get out. More rural, their margins grow a little bit. Again, it's kind of a mix when you start talking about unit rate work. But 18% is right where we expected them to be, and now we just need to get their revenue up. And I'll tell you, 2022 is looking really good, not only for them, but for transmission and distribution. And gas will probably be a little bit flat, maybe have some growth in it, probably low single digits, but their margins are good as well.
spk07: Got it. So really just, you know, any benefit to gross margin would be related to mix and not necessarily a ramp up of revenues.
spk03: Correct. Yeah. And I think they're going to see more project work next year too, which would, you know, typically gain a little bit on your margins there when you successfully issue projects.
spk07: Understood. And just if I could sneak one more in here is I think you talked in your prepared remarks about the OSHA mandates and your four element plan. Can you just kind of sum up, uh, you know, what kind of impact vaccination mandates could have on your business if OSHA does require full vaccination.
spk03: It's hard to speak to if you don't necessarily know what the requirements are. We're following all of the protocols now as far as testing and quarantine and everything else associated with social distancing. And it's, you know, the one thing that OSHA hasn't defined yet is if you're outside, if you typically work outside, are those mandates going to apply? So if they apply externally, then they could have the implications could be fairly large, although we've been able to adapt for the most part over the course of the past two years and haven't really, you know, there have been impacts that are very moderate. So I'd like to really see what they're going to do with respect to people that work out in crews that work outside the majority of the time versus office staff. If it's office staff, we can work around it. We'll make it work. If it's crews, then we can start getting into, well, what does that look like and how does it impact our labor agreements? How does it impact our contracts? That can be a little bit different deal.
spk07: Got it. Thanks very much for taking the questions. You're welcome. Thank you.
spk01: Next question comes from the line of Matt Sharpe from Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.
spk06: Tom Kenbrook, good morning. I just wanted to hit on margins here for a second, specifically sort of the SG&A cost component beyond this year. I think your outlook suggests that SG&A, I'll take down a little bit into 2022 as FIH integration rolls off. Just looking at the current year, if I back out, FIH seems to point to about high 5% range, similar to 2020. Is there any reason going into next year that you can't sort of beat that level or any other building blocks other than FIH that we need to think about here?
spk03: No, nothing really, Matt. It's really just about continuing to finish the integration of future, getting their G&A percentage in line with the rest of the company, and then just leveraging our revenue growth that we're expecting next year, kind of returning to normal without some of the headwinds we saw this year.
spk06: Got it. Helpful. And then maybe just circling back to the CapEx, it looks like you guys raised it about 25 mil at the midpoint. I know you noted that there was some acceleration of of orders here. Maybe just how much of the increase was that acceleration, and then given that acceleration, should we expect that 22 comes down potentially sub-3%, or what can you tell us about the trend going forward now that the acceleration's baked into your guide?
spk03: Yeah, that $25 million that you're talking about is really exactly it. That's the addition that we added to kind of get ahead and ready for next year. And then with respect to next year, you know, we haven't finished our CapEx plans for next year. So, you know, lacking any better information, I would say next year is probably going to kind of ballpark where we originally forecasted this year until I have more information. In addition to that, we're always going to spend money for growth. So we'll have a plan, but if there's opportunities for growth, we're going to spend the money. But I agree with Ken. I think it's going to be more in line with what we've forecasted for this year.
spk06: Got it. Thanks, gentlemen. Very helpful. I'll get back in the queue. Thanks, Matt.
spk03: Thanks, Matt.
spk01: Ken, if you would like to ask a question, press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. If there are no further questions at this time, I would like to turn the conference back to Tom McCormick, Chief Executive Officer.
spk03: Tom McCormick Thank you, Sarah. I want to thank you for joining us today and close by going back to what I said at the beginning of this call. Our results are clear evidence of the strength of our overall business and the strategic value of the acquisitions we've made in recent years. We are well positioned today in the key markets to support our customers in moving toward a zero carbon future. I want to extend my gratitude to our Morris employees whose skills and hard work form the backbone of our success. Thank you.
spk01: This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
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