Paycor HCM, Inc.

Q1 2023 Earnings Conference Call

11/2/2022

spk00: Good afternoon and welcome to PACOR's earnings call for the first quarter of fiscal year 2023, which ended on September 30th. On the call with me today are Raul Villar, Jr., PACOR's chief executive officer, and Adam Ante, PACOR's chief financial officer. Our financial results can be found in our press release issued today, which is available on the investor relations section of our website. Today's call is being recorded and a replay will be available on our website following the conclusion of the call. Statements made in this call include forward-looking statements related to our financial results, products, customer demand, operations, the impact of COVID-19 on our business, and other matters. These statements are subject to risks, uncertainties, and assumptions and are based on management's current expectations as of today and may not be updated in the future. Therefore, these statements should not be relied upon as representing our views as of any subsequent date. We also will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures and key business metrics to provide additional information to investors. Definitions of non-GAAP measures and key business metrics and a reconciliation of non-GAAP to GAAP measures is provided in our press release on our website. With that, I'll turn the call over to Raul.
spk07: Thank you, Rachel, and thank you all for joining us to discuss PACOR's fiscal first quarter results. Revenue growth reached 28%. the highest level in over five years as we expand our go-to-market motion. We also continue to scale our operations and deliver more than 500 basis points of margin improvement year over year. Based on this strong momentum, we are once again raising our guidance, which Adam will cover in more detail. We are executing against our go-to-market strategy and continue to make significant progress expanding our sales coverage and growing Peppum. Competitive dynamics have been consistent, demand remains strong, and we had our best Q1 on record. We continue to target increasing sales headcount over 20% for the fiscal year, With established sellers in all Tier 1 markets today, our ongoing focus is on expanding coverage in Tier 1 markets. With the opportunity more than triple our sales team, we have significant runway to add sellers for the foreseeable future. While it's still early, we are really pleased with how both the Bengals and Pac-12 sports sponsorships are increasing brand awareness and ongoing new business development. PAYCOR's modern open platform is purpose-built for leaders and configured by industry, a combination that continues to win in the market. A recent Gartner survey identified leader and manager effectiveness as a top priority among CHROs for 2023. This quarter, we are excited to announce two key differentiators for leaders, the core leadership framework in Telenia's award-winning candidate sourcing technology. The core leadership framework empowers organizations to transform frontline managers into effective leaders. The framework is built on the understanding that effective leaders focus on coaching employees, optimizing performance, and retaining top talent. We provide organizations with the means to evaluate the efficacy, of their frontline leaders and the tools and thought leadership needed to improve leader performance. We continue to add leapfrogging innovation to our HCM suite and are thrilled to have acquired Telenia's intelligent candidate sourcing technology to enhance our industry-leading talent solution. The AI-powered recruiting technology will be unified into our platform making it easier for frontline leaders to find skilled and diverse talent quickly and at significantly lower cost. Telania's solution stands out in that it is fully automated and easy for frontline leaders to use. In today's war for talent, Telania not only sources candidates that are actively looking to change jobs, but more impressively, passive candidates that are not actively seeking a new role. The technology will also help companies execute against their DE&I strategy by placing an emphasis on diverse candidates that are often overlooked by traditional recruiting systems. This acquisition builds on our successful track record of rapidly integrating best-in-class point solutions that provide a competitive advantage and expand our PEPM opportunity. These advance and showcase the versatility of our product strategy. Our modern platform enables us to select whether to build, buy, or partner to add valuable functionality, options that are increasingly valuable as focused on leapfrogging technology to further differentiate PayCore in the market. As further proof of our product differentiation, we earned the Platinum 2022 Titan Business Award in the Business Intelligence Solution category for PayCore Analytics. We are increasingly focused on providing leaders with intelligent analytics that deliver valuable insights to drive business performance. For example, predictive resignation provides leaders with insights to identify the top drivers of employee resignation and potential at-risk employees to help prevent turnover. In addition, we provide many analytics that are critical to helping our key industries manage time and labor, such as overtime or schedule analysis by tenure. In September, we published our first ESG report, describing PAYCOR's commitment to sustainable business practices and ongoing efforts to address material ESG topics. I am particularly pleased we increased the representation of females in leadership and ethnic diversity among our associates by 8% and 13%, respectively, and reduced our Scope 1 and Scope 2 emissions by 14% year over year. We are incredibly proud PACOR won 2022 Top Workplaces Culture Excellence Awards in Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Practices, Innovation, and Compensation and Benefits categories by Energage. This is the second consecutive year PACOR has been recognized for DE&I excellence. Over the past fiscal year, PACOR has continued to advance its DE&I strategy, enhance associate rewards, expand benefit options, and drive innovation. In terms of the labor market, dynamics remain unchanged. Nonfarm payrolls have slowly risen to pre-COVID levels, job openings remain at elevated levels, and the labor market continues to be tight. Modest changes in unemployment or job openings are unlikely to materially impact our business as most of our revenue growth is derived from new logo additions and the market is still very early in adopting modern cloud-based HCM solutions. Plus, HCM is highly defensible as our value proposition is mission critical to attracting, paying, and retaining great talent. Lastly, I would like to thank all the amazing Paycorians who are the foundation of these amazing results. With that, I'll turn the call over to Adam to discuss our financial results and guidance.
spk02: Thanks, Raul. I'll review our first quarter results, then share our outlook for the second quarter and fiscal year. As a reminder, my comments related to financial measures are on a non-GAAP basis. Total revenue for the quarter was $118 million, increasing 20% year-over-year, our highest in recent record. Excluding the impact of interest income, recurring revenue grew by 24%. We exceeded the top end of our revenue guidance by 4% and significantly outperformed our adjusted operating income guidance through diligent investment management. Revenue growth was primarily driven by new business and cross-sales, PEPM expansion, strong execution of pricing initiatives, and growth of our partner program. Pricing initiatives include conversion of clients to our newest product bundles and continued higher adoption of our bundles at the point of sale. The number of employees on our platform increased to more than 2.3 million, up 10% over the prior year. Our average customer size increased to 78 employees at the end of Q1, compared to 73 a year ago as we continue to focus our investment in the mid-market and accelerate growth among clients with more than 100 employees. Net retention trended favorably, benefiting from price initiatives and continued cross-sale. Adjusted gross profit margin improved to 66.3% versus 65.2% a year ago. Adjusted gross margin excluding depreciation and amortization was 76.8%, an increase of nearly two points year over year. The expansion was the result of increased scale across our support team and lower third-party costs. Sales and marketing expense was $40 million, or 34% of revenue, slightly below 35% a year ago. Based on the continued demand and attractive returns we're seeing, we continue to invest in our sales expansion strategy and marketing programs to drive new business growth and capture market share, primarily in Tier 1 markets. On a gross basis, we invested $19 million in R&D, or 16% of revenue, slightly lower than 17% a year ago and in line with our long-term targets. Our team continues to efficiently add new functionality through organic development, partnerships, and best-in-class product tokens that create value for our clients and expand our peplum opportunity. G&A expense was $18 million, or 15% of revenue, down from 18% in the first quarter of 22. We intend to progressively drive G&A down as a percentage of revenue as we scale the business, consolidate our facilities footprint, and anniversary public company costs. While our primary objective remains sustainable 20% plus revenue growth, we intend to steadily expand margins as we scale the business. This quarter, we increased operating income to $10.4 million, or an 8.8% profit margin, more than double the 3.7% last year. The greater than 500 basis point expansion enabled us to deliver adjusted EBITDA margins of 24%, and when combined with our 28% revenue growth, exceed the rule of 50 this quarter. Shifting to the balance sheet and cash flow, this quarter free cash flow was a negative $30 million compared to a negative $24 million last year. The first quarter tends to have the largest use of cash due to the timing of our annual bonus payment. In addition, this quarter we made our first naming rights payment, which covered the full year and will be made quarterly moving forward. However, we plan to be free cash flow positive for the full fiscal year and going forward. We ended the quarter with $98 million in cash and no debt. This quarter, we generated $4 million of interest income on average client funds of approximately $920 million. As overnight rates began benefiting from recent Fed rate increases, our overall effective rate more than tripled to 178 basis points this quarter, compared to 52 basis points last quarter. Interest income exceeded our expectations as overnight rates reflected Fed fund raises faster and more completely. Turning to our outlook for fiscal 2023, we continue to be positive about the momentum in the business, strong demand environment, and Paycor's leadership position in the HCM market. The labor market has remained tight, and while we continue to closely monitor the macro environment, we have not seen any material impact to our business. Our guidance assumes these trends continue for the remainder of the year. While we are enthusiastic about integrating Telinia's innovative technology into our platform and expanding our PEPM opportunity, we expect it to be immaterial to the financials this fiscal year. We generated about 180 basis points of interest income in the first quarter and expect that rate to increase further in the second quarter. At today's rates, we anticipate interest income will be in the range of $20 to $24 million for the full year on average client fund balances of just under $1 billion. We currently plan to reinvest about half of interest income into either accelerate our product roadmap or expanding our marketing programs to support our sales expansion. For the second quarter, we expect total revenue of between $126 and $128 million, or 24% growth at the high end of the range, and adjusted operating income of between $12.5 and $13.5 million. For the full year, we expect revenue of $528 to $534 million, or 24% growth at the top end of the range, and we anticipate adjusted operating income of $65 to $68 million. In summary, we continue to deliver strong top-line growth while expanding profitability. We are winning share in the SMB segment through our differentiated platform focused on leaders and industries. Our team is laser focused on execution, Tier 1 market penetration, and continued PEPM expansion. With less than 2% share of our $29 billion total addressable market, we have significant runway for continued growth and remain enthusiastic about the trajectory of the business. With that, we'll open the call for questions. Operator?
spk01: Thank you. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, Please press star and then 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation turn will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star and then 2 if you would like to remove the question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. One moment please while we poll for questions. Our first question is from Gabriela Borges of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.
spk05: Hi, this is Kevin on for Gabriela. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask about ramping of sellers hired last fiscal year. What are you seeing in terms of early trends in terms of the time to ramp, particularly in the tier one markets? Thanks.
spk02: Yeah, hey, thanks. We're seeing, you know, what we like to track is we like to track those sellers on a cohort basis and look at the sellers who've been here for four quarters or five quarters to compare them to previous cohorts. And, you know, it's still really early, but we're adding closer to 70-plus sellers in each of those cohorts, and they continue to perform, you know, like they have historically. We'd love to always, you know, there's always room for improvement, but we've seen good performance out of those larger cohorts that we've been hiring more recently, for sure.
spk05: That's helpful. And then Adam, can you talk a bit about the levers for gross margin expansion going forward, particularly as you broaden the HCM suite and as peplum continues to increase?
spk02: Yeah, one of the things that we see is that when you add additional products and when clients are buying more products from us, they're more effective and the gross margin increases. For new products like our talent management solution, you don't have to put the same level of service in terms of calls and callbacks and management and service operations that you do with payroll. Payroll is the largest part of our service and service operations. And so when we add these additional products, it really helps to drive additional margin. And as well, as we continue to go into the larger segments, out of the micro segment, we do see that those clients, you know, they tend to buy a little bit more. They tend to be more effective in the way that they use the product. And so the margins tend to come on a little bit better. That's going to be the primary driver.
spk05: Great. Thank you.
spk01: Our next question is from Terry Tillman of Truist Securities. Please go ahead.
spk08: Great. Thanks so much for taking the questions. This is Robert Dion for Terry. I'm hoping to get a little more detail and an update into the micro segment. Can you remind us on the mix of business there? Is that segment a hold steady or perhaps becoming smaller from growth with bigger mid-market customers? And how are you all thinking about the segment in terms of overall economic sensitivity? And then I have one follow-up. Thanks.
spk02: Yeah, I mean, it's really just not material, a move, marginal moves in that micro segment. It represents about 5% of our total portfolio in terms of revenue. And we have seen that that's slowed down in terms of the growth of the companies in that segment as we are intentionally not investing quite as much in that under 10 segment. But we do continue to drive revenue growth actually in that segment. It's held fairly steady in terms of that 5% of total revenue or so. And I'd say in terms of the sensitivity, we do expect that sort of in the larger ends, you know, the micro segment and then the large enterprise segment is where we would see maybe more sensitivity to macro changes. But, again, it's just so marginal in terms of its overall impact on our portfolio. Even large swings wouldn't really impact us.
spk08: Makes sense. Thanks. And then just as a quick follow-up, last quarter I believe you all mentioned strong growth across industries, particularly in the restaurant and food services segments. Is that momentum still continuing, or have any other specific verticals taken more of the spotlight this quarter? Thanks.
spk02: Yeah, no, I mean, that trend has continued. It is sort of dependent on a – we don't seasonally adjust our hiring or employee counts, so you do see slightly more growth in sort of the seasonal peaks and whatnot. But those trends have continued, and they have performed sort of outsized and in line with what you'd see in the broader market as well, as hiring has continued to be tight in the labor market more broadly.
spk08: Great, thanks so much.
spk01: Our next question is from Brian Bigren of Cohen. Please go ahead.
spk04: Hey, it's actually Jared on for Brian tonight. In terms of the 1Q adjusted gross margin, if you remove the float there, it looks like it was flat year on year. Was that in line with your expectations, and what are you expecting for the full year for adjusted gross margin?
spk02: Yeah, we haven't guided to adjusted gross margin on the full year basis, but we actually did drive some expansion if you back out interest income and look at it on a recurring basis. We did still drive some expansion across the board, so across adjusted gross margin as well as adjusted operating income. And again, I really think the best metric to look at for our gross margin is excluding depreciation and amortization, and we drove multiple points of expansion there, even without the benefit of interest income. And that is our long-term goal is to continue to drive expansion across the business. So, like I said, we haven't guided specifically to gross margin improvement, but we're going to continue to look at that as an opportunity.
spk04: Okay, great. And then in terms of that updated full-year flow revenue guidance, does that include the most recent Fed funds rate hike from today or any additional rate assumptions there?
spk02: No, it includes the 75 basis points from today, and it doesn't include any potential future raises.
spk04: Thank you.
spk02: Thanks, Jared.
spk01: Our next question is from Mark Murphy of JP Morgan. Please go ahead.
spk03: Hey guys, thanks for taking the questions. This is already on for Mark Murphy. Just a quick question on Talenia. It looks like an interesting acquisition. In terms of the focus of the company there, is that kind of focused towards any particular customers, maybe frontline workers, blue collar, white collar, etc.? ?
spk07: Yeah, it primarily today focused on professional services. And so I think, you know, we'll continue to leverage that in our professional services and healthcare verticals. I think over time, we'll be able to also identify more use cases for, you know, hourly employees to identify hourly employees more effectively.
spk03: Got it. Thanks. And then in terms of the NRR, you guys said that kind of moved favorably. Any commentary on gross retention? Is that something you guys expect to improve as you guys move up market?
spk02: Yeah. I mean, I definitely think that we expect gross retention to continue to improve. It's been relatively stable, you know, for some time now. And even while we've been driving that retention improvement. So those have been continuing and remain strong coming into 23 now.
spk01: Thank you. Our next question is from Bhavin Shah of Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead.
spk06: Great. Thanks for taking my question. A couple quick ones for me. Just first on the sales front, I mean, you guys talked about adding another 20% growth in sellers. How should we think about the linearity of sales hires over the course of the year? And what does the hiring environment look like today in terms of finding talent?
spk07: Yeah, so we map out hiring. We obviously will hire the majority of the people in the first half of this fiscal year that are in our planned budget growth. And that will enable us to get some minor contribution in the fourth quarter, but to have those people fully ramped up for FY24. And we've seen no issues identifying, recruiting, and hiring sales associates. And so we feel really good about our staffing position in sales today.
spk06: That's very helpful. And just on some of your recent sponsorships, you kind of noted increasing top of funnel. What types of customers and prospective customers are you able to bring in? Are there certain types of size customers? Are they more regional focused? Any kind of additional insights there? And kind of how are you thinking about this kind of avenue of marketing going forward?
spk07: Yeah, I think there's two key elements to consider. First is just overall brand awareness. Obviously, we're still trying to build brand awareness nationally as we expand our sales coverage. And in the first quarter alone, we had more digital impressions, over one trillion, than we did all of last year as a company. So I think the sponsorships are serving their purpose and really creating air cover for our sales team as we continue to build awareness and expand coverage. And as far as The actual conversion, I think what we've done a great job of is leveraging both sponsorships with game day activations. And so what we're doing is You know, we're seeing significant presence of bringing, you know, large prospects and influence centers to, you know, the activities. And that's, you know, proven to be a winning formula for us. So we're really optimistic about the opportunity to continue to drive bookings growth based on these sponsorships. And our early indicators are really favorable, and we're excited to see finished both the Pac-12 football season and the Bengals season. And we're leveraging both home games and away games for the Bengals. So it's more than just a Midwestern influence. And I think that's been exciting for us as they've had games this year, you know, in New York and Dallas and some of the large tier one markets that we're trying to further penetrate within.
spk06: Makes a ton of sense. A quick follow-up on that for Adam in terms of the cash flow dynamics. So if I'm clear, you have an annual payment this year, and then every other year it will be more quarterly, or are there still quarterly payments to be paid this fiscal year?
spk02: We made the payment for the first full year for the fiscal year already, and then beginning in 24, they will be quarterly going forward.
spk06: Perfect. That's what I thought. I just wanted to clarify. Thanks again for taking my question.
spk02: Yep.
spk01: Yeah? Our next question is from Scott Berg of Needham. Please go ahead.
spk09: Hi, Raul and Adam. Thanks for taking my questions. Congrats on a good quarter. I guess I wanted to start in the sales environment. As you look back at the new sales in the quarter, is there any difference in, I don't know, maybe the composition of those deals in Q1 this year versus last year, maybe customer size, types of modules they're buying, et cetera, that might kind of highlight an environment that may or may not be changing?
spk07: Now, the environment, Scott, has been really steady. So we're seeing consistent production in our Tier 1 markets from our broker partners and our industry go-to-market strategy. So nothing has changed. We're still running the same plays and winning at an analyzed rate in all markets. So we feel really good about our go-to-market motion and no macro impacts whatsoever in the size of our deals or the number of modules people are purchasing at point of sale.
spk09: Got it. Helpful. And then follow-up question on your sales investments for this year. Obviously, a big focus for the company the last two years is putting new sales heads in these Tier 1 cities. How do you think about cross-sells or upsells over time in staffing, maybe further staffing a team or headcount in that area versus just adding new heads going after for that new logo acquisition?
spk07: Yeah, we have a centralized team that handles cross-selling, and we continue to invest in that team and continue to drive cross-selling against the legacy base. Obviously, our new clients... you know, are coming aboard, you know, with two or three modules attached already. So a lot of it is cross-selling back into the legacy base or following up, as an example, you know, when we are fully unified with Talenia, we'll be able to cross-sell Talenia into the entire you know, client base of 30,000. So we're with you. We're continuing to invest in the cross-selling team and we're seeing really good results there. And I think you'll see us continue to generate somewhere between 15 and 20% of our bookings will come from cross-sells.
spk09: Great. That's all I have. Thanks for taking my questions.
spk01: Thanks a lot, Scott. We have reached the end of the question and answer session. I would like to turn the call back over to Raul Villa for closing comments. Please go ahead. Thank you again for joining us tonight.
spk07: We're enthusiastic about the accelerated momentum in the business and look forward to connecting with you again soon. As always, feel free to reach out if you have any questions and have a great night.
spk01: Ladies and gentlemen, that concludes today's conference. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines.
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