QuidelOrtho Corporation

Welcome to the Quiddell-Ortville Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2024 Financial Results Conference Call and Webcast. At this time, all participant lines are in a listen-only mode. For those of you participating on the conference call, there will be an opportunity for your questions at the end of today's prepared remarks. Please note this conference call is being recorded. An audio replay of the conference call will be available on the company's website shortly after this call. I would now like to turn the call over to Juliet Cunningham, Vice President of Investor Relations.

Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. Thanks for joining the Quiddell-Ortville Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. With me today are Brian Blaser, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Joe Buskey, Chief Financial Officer. This conference call is being simultaneously webcast on the Investor Relations page of our website. To aid in the discussion, we posted a supplemental presentation on the IR page that will be referenced throughout this call. This conference call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Statements that are not strictly historical, including the company's expectations, plans, financial guidance, future performance, and prospects are forward-looking statements that are subject to certain risks and uncertainties, assumptions, and other factors. Actual results may vary materially from those expressed or implied in these forward-looking statements. Information about potential factors that could affect our actual results is available on our annual report on Form 10-K for the 2023 fiscal year and subsequent reports filed with the FDC, including the risk factors section. Forward-looking statements are made as of today, February 12, 2025, and we assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statement except as required by law. In addition, today's call includes discussion of certain non-GAAP financial measures. Tables reconciling these non-GAAP measures to their most directly comparable GAAP measures are available in our earnings release and the supplemental presentation, which are on the investor relations page of our website at QuidelOrzo.com. Lastly, unless stated otherwise, all -over-year revenue growth rates given on today's call are given on a comparable, constant currency basis. And now I'd like to turn the call over to our CEO, Brian Blaser.

Thanks, Juliette. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us on the call today. We finished the year with solid top-line results that were in line with our 2024 financial guidance, and I'm encouraged by the progress that we're making in improving our cost structure and focusing the business to elevate profitable growth. Today, I'll discuss our 2024 operational highlights and key priorities for 2025, and then Joe will provide greater detail as we share our 2025 full-year guidance. As I mentioned in previous calls, I've been driving an operating model designed to empower our leadership team to focus on growth and profitability. As part of this strategy, I made key changes to the leadership team to ensure we have the right mix of talent and expertise to move our vision forward. Having the right leadership in place is essential for driving innovation, improving operational efficiency, and positioning the company for success. Our efforts to prioritize high-impact opportunities are showing early signs of progress as reflected in our second half 2024 results. Turning to the fourth quarter of 2024, we saw ongoing contribution from our labs, immunohematology, and -of-care businesses. Total reported revenue in Q4 was $708 million, which decreased by 4% year over year due to the expected declines in COVID and flu testing revenues. Importantly, over 90% of our Q4 sales were recurring, driven by reagents, consumables, and service. I mentioned that all growth rates I'm about to give are in constant currency. Our labs business, which is roughly 50% of our total company revenues, achieved growth of 4% on a reported and constant currency basis, excluding COVID and non-FOR revenue. This performance underscores its durable and predictable business model with strong brand recognition, long-term contracts, and a loyal customer base. Within transfusion medicine, our immunohematology business continued to drive stable growth of 4% during the fourth quarter. Despite challenging year over year comparisons from the decline of COVID testing, our -of-care business continues its leadership position with SOFIA's large global install base and our flu-COVID combo test. Lastly, in our molecular diagnostics business, we initiated clinical trials for our Savannah respiratory panel last month, which coincided with the ramp-up of this year's respiratory season. We expect to complete our trials over the next few months as the season runs its normal course. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter 2024 was $150 million, which represents 21% adjusted EBITDA margin and adjusted diluted EPS of $0.63. As we continue to move our business forward, I've spoken about our three central priorities. Delivering the best experience from our customers, prioritizing execution on a small number of high-impact programs, and driving profitable, sustainable growth. These priorities include improving R&D productivity and the strength of our platform content, as well as development of new systems that will enable us to strengthen our global market position. In addition, we continue to drive cost reduction initiatives that we started in 2024, including realizing the remainder of our previously announced cost savings by mid-year and implementing new actions focused mainly on procurement and gross margin improvement. We expect these programs to drive margin growth over the next few years that will achieve benchmark levels of profitability. In closing, I have been impressed with our team and grateful for their support as we made difficult but necessary changes this past year. Despite challenging circumstances, our team has been resilient and determined to build an innovative, enduring company that's focused on supporting our customers and their needs. I look forward to sharing our progress on our operational and financial results as we move through 2025. With that, I will hand it over to Joe to discuss our 2024 financial performance and guidance for 2025.

Okay,

thanks, Brian.

And hello, everyone. I'll begin with the details of our fourth quarter and full year 2024 results on slides three and four of Ewing's presentation, which is currently available on our IR website. Again, unless stated otherwise, all year over year, we have a new growth ratio today called ARC Provider on a comparable kinds of currency basis. During the fourth quarter and full year 2024, our business performed in line with our expectations and we expect continued momentum going into 2025. I'll start with some high-level commentary on our full year 2024 performance and then drill down with the -to-quarter results. We'll also provide our estimated full year 2025 financial guidance and then, of course, we'll open up the call for some questions. Total reported revenue for the full year 2024 was $2.8 billion, including $2.3 billion in non-respiratory revenue. Labs growth was 4% excluding COVID and non-core revenue, which includes contract manufacturing. And our respiratory revenue was $504 million, which grew 4% excluding COVID compared to the year 2025. Full year 2024 COVID revenue was $185 million, including $17 million in government contracts. Barter currency exchange negatively impacted full year 2024 results by 60 basis points. Adjusted EBITDA was $543 million, a .5% adjusted EBITDA margin. And adjusted diluted earnings per share was $1.85. Moving now to fourth quarter 2024 results, total reported revenue was $708 million, which decreased by 4% compared to the prior year period due to lower -over-year COVID and flu revenues as discussed in our third quarter earnings call. Barter currency exchange negatively impacted fourth quarter results by 30 basis points. From a regional perspective, our fourth quarter 2024 constant currency revenue performance was led by our other region, which again is comprised of Japan, Asia Pacific, and Latin America and grew 13%. China grew 11% driven by labs. Strong labs performance in China was partially offset by self-dispute cardiac point of care products, resulting from timing of certain orders and reimbursing changes in some Chinese provinces, as we discussed on our third quarter earnings call. I note that for the full year, China excluding respiratory grew in high single digits as expected. Our Europe Middle East Africa region declined by 6% due to a one-time item and timing of revenue in the prior year period. For the full year 2024, Europe Middle East Africa region revenue grew by 2%. And then finally, North America declined by 11% compared to the prior year period due to the anticipated -over-year decline in respiratory revenue, the decline of U.S. owner's screening revenue as we continue to wind down that business this year, and timing of cardiac sales. For the full year 2024, North America was down 3% excluding COVID. All right, now looking at our non-respiratory business, which includes labs, transfusion medicine, and cardiac point of care products, fourth quarter 2024 revenue was relatively flat over a year. However, underlying labs revenue growth was 4% excluding COVID and non-quarter revenue. In transfusion medicine, immunohemotology revenue grew 4% and donor screening declined by 40%. Cardiac revenue declined by 9% in Q4, primarily related to order timing in North America. For the full year, cardiac revenue was down approximately 2% or only 3 million compared to the prior year. Our Q4 respiratory revenue declined 18% -over-year. During Q4, we saw a continued favorable product mix from our Sophia flu COVID combo test, and we had 44 million in COVID revenue. We saw a late start to this respiratory season, which is more in line with pre-pandemic trends, and we have seen the season become strong in February thus far. More on our thoughts on the Q1 flu season in a bit. Moving down the P&L, slide five shows fourth quarter 2024 adjusted gross profit margin of 47% versus 52% in the prior year period. The -over-year decrease was primarily driven by higher COVID and flu sales in the prior year period, as well as bonus accruals in Q4 of 2024 that did not occur in Q4 2023 as mentioned on our Q3 earnings call. Non-GAAP operating expenses of 226 million, including SG&A and R&D, decreased by 16 million compared to the prior year period, which reflected cost savings initiatives partially offset by the previously mentioned Q4 24-parts goals. Adjusted EBITDA was 150 million compared to 195 million in the prior year period. Adjusted EBITDA margin was 21%, which reflects the cost savings actions we have taken, partially offset by lower revenue from respiratory tests, which are high margin contributors. Adjusted diluted earnings per share was 63 cents compared to adjusted diluted EPS of $1.17 in the prior year period. This -over-year change was primarily due to higher respiratory revenue in the prior year period and higher interest expense in the current period, partially offset by our cost savings actions. The full year effective adjusted income tax rate for 2024 was 24%. All right, now turning to the balance sheet on slide 6. We finished the quarter with 98 million of cash, and as of the end of Q4, we had 198 million in borrowings on our $800 million revolver, which is a decrease of 32 million compared to Q3. Our capital allocation priority continues to be debt pay down. Fourth quarter 2024 adjusted precast flow was 68 million, which represents 45% of our adjusted EBITDA in Q4, and our second half 2024 adjusted precast flow was 59% of our second half adjusted EBITDA. During the fourth quarter of 2024, our net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio was 4.4 times, and our consolidated leverage ratio, including performance EBITDA adjustments, was 3.5 times as permitted and defined under our credit agreement. Now I will provide our full year 2025 guidance, which is on slide 7 of the earnings presentation. We expect full year 2025 total reported revenue of between $2.6 and $2.81 billion. Note that we expect a negative impact of $55 million related to foreign currency exchange, which was estimated using currency rates as of January 31, 2025, and is subject to change as the year progresses. We expect adjusted EBITDA between $575 million and $615 million, which equates to 22% adjusted EBITDA margin. This is an expected $250 basis point improvement off of full year 2024. We expect adjusted diluted EPS of between $2.07 to $2.57. Additionally, we do not see significant currency impact either adjusted EBITDA or adjusted EPS. Now these expectations are based on a set of assumptions as follows. We assume that the full year 2025 business unit growth profiles will be in line with the commentary we shared most recently in January at the JPMorgan Conference, including the labs business expected to grow in the mid-single digits, transition medicine excluding US over Sweden expected to grow in the low single digits, point of error growth excluding COVID is assumed to grow in the mid-single digits, and molecular diagnostics expected to continue to develop during 2025 with limited sales. As a reminder, we are not pursuing any sales from US, Savannah, or Repertory products in 2025. And lastly, we assume mids are high single digit growth in China. Now for the respiratory revenue in 2025, we assume a 50 to 55 million overall test market with greater than 50% of food product revenue coming from a food COVID combo test. We are seeing strong recent flu trends in Q1, which are factored into our full year guidance presented today. In addition, we assume full year 2025 COVID revenue will be in the range of 110 to 140 million, which excludes approximately 17 million in government contracts we had in 2024 and do not expect to repeat as well as lower retail sales, which accounts for less than a half percent of our total company revenue. In addition, we assume typical quarterly seasonality with Q2 revenue being our lowest quarter and Q4 being our highest quarter for revenue margins. We assume cost savings of approximately $50 million in the first half of 2025 as part of our previously implemented $100 million in annualized cost savings actions. We expect incremental cost savings in 2025 between $30 to $50 million primarily related to procurement. The majority of the $100 million in annualized savings that we implemented in 2024 was related to staffing reductions of 9% of the total workforce. Future staffing reductions are expected to be a part of our ongoing efforts to appropriately size our teams, and we will continue to evaluate staffing reductions as part of our ongoing margin improvement efforts. However, we are now turning our attention to procurement in other categories of costs to improve our costs. We assume positive adjusted free cash flow for the full year 2025 to be approximately 25 to 30% of adjusted EBITDA. We expect higher cash flow in the second half of 2025, which is in line with seasonally higher revenue and our cost savings initiatives. And we continue to target free cash flow conversion of 50% of adjusted EBITDA on the same timeline as our margin improvement. We expect our net debt leverage ratio to be down close to a half a turn in the first half of 2025 versus year-end 2024. And we expect it to land between three and a half to four pounds by the end of 2025. We assume full year interest expense to be down slightly from 2024 in the range of $158 to $162 million. We had expected interest expense to be approximately $5 to $7 million lower than this range, but higher than expected Rolavo borrowings at the end of 2024 will carry over in 2025. These higher borrowings are primarily related to one-time cash used for important severance costs, our system conversions, as well as the delay in proceeds related to the sale of a facility. Again, our capital allocation priority continues to be paying down debt. We assume capex of approximately $160 to $170 million excluding instruments under the age of rental agreements and integration related expenses. And finally, we assume a full year effective tax rate of 24%. To summarize, we believe our second half 2024 performance demonstrates solid progress towards our adjusted EBITDA margin expansion goal of greater than 25% over the next couple of years. We remain focused on our execution and cost savings initiatives to achieve our margin expansion and profitable growth goals. With that, I'll ask the operator to please open up the line for questions.

Absolutely. We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. If for any reason at all you would like to remove that question, please press star followed by two. Again, to ask a question, please press star one. As a reminder, if you are using a speakerphone, please remember to pick up your handset before asking your question. The first question comes from Jack Meehan with Nefron Research. You may proceed.

Thank you. Good afternoon. First question was on the guidance, the forecast for free cash flow conversion at 25 to 30% of adjusted EBITDA. You know, it wasn't that long ago that you were looking at something, you know, closer to 50% of adjusted EBITDA conversion. I know that was, you know, different time, different revenue base. But I was wondering if you could just talk about, you know, where you think that can go over time and what a more normalized level might look like.

Yeah. Hey, Jack. It's Joe. Thanks for the question. Yeah, the cash flow is certainly not where we want it to be. We ended 2024 at 20% recurring free cash flow as a percentage of EBITDA. And again, as you just stated, for 2025, we expect it to be between 25 and 30%. So, it's an improvement over 2024. But ultimately, our goal is to be at at least 50% conversion of adjusted EBITDA to free cash flow conversion. And I believe that getting to that target will be over the same timeline as our margin improvement goals, you know, side sale in the next couple of years.

Okay. And then, I was hoping you could also just talk about the China region. So, you know, given some of the market uncertainty, the fourth quarter actually looks like it was pretty good for you guys in the region. You know, so this mid to high single digit target you have for 2025, can you just give us an update on your view on pricing and exposure to any BBP programs that are taking place?

Yeah, hi, Jack. This is Brian. You know, China continues to be an attractive market for us, but it is a complex market, as you know. In the near term, we think that the risk of additional BBP pressure has largely passed through this by at least for 2025, but we have seen some smaller impacts to cardiac reimbursement there that are mainly reimbursement versus, you know, broad BBP actions. You know, I don't expect any more significant actions on either BBP or reimbursement, but I would say that the competitive intensity there, just given what has happened, has increased. And as a result of that, you know, we're kind of tempering our view from kind of high single digit to mid single digit moving forward, given that, the nature of the environmental dynamic there.

Okay, that makes sense. If I could squeeze in one more, just a clarification. I think there was a new disclosure in the slides for the cardiac revenue. I just wanted to clarify, does that include both triage and BMP and kind of the decline you had in the quarter wasn't entirely on the triage side, I assume?

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we referenced that growth or decline in the preferred remarks, Jack, so we had to put a slide in the And yes, when we talk about the cardiac, it's combined triage revenue as well as the BMP revenue. And really all of the four-year variances is in the triage business. The BMP business is flat, 75 million every year. Okay, thank you,

guys. Thank you. The next question comes from Patrick Donnelly with CIDI. You may proceed.

Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. Joe, maybe one for you on the cost side. It sounds like maybe some of the cost savings are coming a little earlier than expected this year as well. Can you just talk about the levers you guys are pulling to preserve and drive EBITDA higher? You know, the key ones as we work our way through this year and then obviously the ones that remain out there to drive EBITDA and then we can get back to where you guys want it on the margin side.

Yeah, so, hey, Patrick. So, yeah, the margins, the overall EBITDA margins are going up 250 basis points from 24 to 25. And, you know, the high level, I would say that the pieces are the roughly 15 million of the first 100 million of the actions last year mid through 2024, which will benefit the first half of 2025. And I would say that that 15 million is going to be pretty easily between OPACs and GP. And the second tranche that I would mention is the 30 to 50 million of incremental savings for 2025 that we mentioned on this call today, which we defined as mostly procurement related. And most of those savings will occur within the OPACs line. A large majority of those savings as procurement savings are going to be indirect procurement savings. And the direct procurement savings that will benefit GP will take a little bit longer to realize and we'll probably start to see more of those move into 2026. So those are the two main good guys benefiting margins. And then, of course, you have a headwind of normal merit increase for employees and, you know, one to two percent inflation on materials at all offset. And those are really the big moving pieces as you think about how we go from 24 to 25 and then 250 basis point improvement on EBITDA margins.

Okay. That's all cool. And then maybe just a range on rest of the floor. Can you talk about, you know, the different drivers there? Are we in the endemic? Is this the right number to think about going forward? And then inside of that, just the VANA and sound like respiratory trials for now, not much this year. You know, the kind of contribution there as we work our way forward. Thank you,

guys. Thanks. Yeah, I can take that. Yeah, so I'd maybe take the COVID revenue piece first. Yeah, we do believe that when you look at the COVID revenue for us, it is going down 24, 25. But the all of that drop from 24, 25 and the COVID revenue is the government contract that won't repeat that we saw in 24. And then the other piece is retail revenue, which is a really small piece of our business. It's less than a half a percent of our total company revenue. And quite honestly, it's just not really a big focus of ours right now. The professional COVID revenue is relatively flat in our guidance 24, 25. And you believe that's really at what I would describe as an endemic level. As far as the rest of the respiratory revenue is growing in the guides, it's growing roughly low single digits, 24, 25. Do you think about flu, RSC, strep?

Thank you. The following question comes from Bill Bonneo with Crave Hallam. You may proceed.

Hey, thanks, guys. I just want to follow up a little bit on the first question that Patrick asked, maybe slightly differently. The margin expansion target is now a lot better than what you had said not long ago. And it would seem like you had anticipated additional cost savings. You've been talking about that and procurement as an opportunity. So I'm just curious two things, sort of, you know, what's going better? What has you more encouraged than when you originally talked about maybe 150 to 200 basis points? And then secondly, does it change your thinking about the total opportunity at all?

Hey, Bill, this is Brian. You know, I think in terms of what's gone better, you know, we can point to a lot of the accomplishments the organization has made this last year. You know, first and foremost, the staffing reductions that we made, which were, you know, substantially, were 90 percent of our workforce and probably monetized out closer to, you know, 12 to 13 percent of cost reduction there. But, you know, we very quickly jumped on the procurement piece of that. And I think, you know, as we have gotten significant traction there, that's enabling us to now talk about this additional 30 to 50 million dollars of incremental savings. So, you know, I still see I wouldn't want to get too far out of our skis there. I still see our pathway here to the 25 percent EBITDA range, you know, and higher over the sort of 25 to 30 percent range over the next two to three years. So, you know, that's our target. We keep trying to push that as hard as we can.

Okay, that's helpful. And you talked about the procurement being, you know, more on the indirect cost side this year. Is there any color you can give on that at all? Like, what types of things are you able to achieve there?

Yeah, it's a lot of costs. It really cuts across the entire P&L. It's everything from supply chain, logistics cost, packaging to travel and entertainment costs. It really just cuts across the whole P&L. It's a lot of our service costs and IT and quality, et cetera, and even some R&D expenditures. So it really is a broad-based approach that we've taken to the indirect side. And, you know, the reason we're – those are just a little bit more actionable in the short term than the direct procurement, which are generally product-related costs that require us to change, in some cases, the design or make regulatory submissions. And so they just take a little longer for us to implement.

Yep. Okay. That's helpful. And then if I can just – one last one. Thanks for the color on the -over-year decline in the adjusted gross margin. Can you just remind us the reason for the sequential decline?

From Q3 to Q4 in 2024, you're talking about,

Bill? Yeah. Yep. Yep.

Yeah, it's going to be mixed. It's a product mix.

Okay. But don't you have more respiratory in Q4 and isn't that higher margin? What –

No, it's actually less. Yeah. Yeah. Which is what we had talked about on the Q3 call.

Okay. Okay. Well, I'll ask on our follow-up call so I don't look any more stupid. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. The next question comes from Lou Lee with UBS. You may proceed.

Great. Thank you. So two questions. So first one on the margin. I just wanted to get your updated thoughts on the tariffs. Is your assumption right now including like any negative impact from the tariffs or – and then maybe just like any mitigation that you can talk about?

Yeah. You know, the tariff subject seems to be ever-changing here over the last couple of weeks. And we're monitoring it very carefully. We were happy to see that Mexico and Canada are moving, I think, toward a resolution to what was proposed by the administration. And as you probably know, our industry continues to lobby for an exemption there because the bulk of medical devices and diagnostic products are manufactured in the United States. We do have some exposure there as, you know, we've got some instruments that are sourced from Mexico. But, you know, given the changing nature and morphing of the subject right now, it's really just too early for us to provide any real view of potential impact at this point. So we're just going to monitor it very closely. And once we understand what the real impact is, you know, we'll be able to provide additional guidance on that.

Got it. So I wanted to circle back on one of your comments on the China part. So you said the risk of additional weight-based pressure largely passed for 2025. And you don't really expect any like significant action. Can you just provide a little bit more detail in terms of like what have you seen on the ground and why you believe that most of the impact should be gone in 2025?

Yeah, most of the VBT actions up to this point have been focused on liquid, clinical chemistry products and immunoassay products. Our dry-slide technology has been exempt from those actions up to this point. And unlike most of our other competitors there, our mix of clinical chemistry versus immunoassay is kind of reversed. We have less immunoassay exposure in the China market. We have very little immunoassay placement in the China market. And most of our volume there is clinical chemistry. So based on the timing of how these actions roll out, we believe at this point, we don't expect any sort of meaningful VBT impact that would affect our products in 2025.

Okay, got it. If I can squeeze one more. So I just wanted to think about more the long-term, larger expansion of the total. So we're talking about like 250 basis points in 2025. Is that the right way to think about in terms of like 2026 as well, given that you do have more procurement opportunity that you just mentioned, and then you also have the best picture of the business? Just wanted to think about how you kind of like a little bit longer term, 2026.

Yeah, hey, Lewis. Joe. Yeah, we've been, I think, pretty consistent here since Brian joined the company back last May in that we are targeting adjusted EBITDA margins greater than 25 percent, and that it would be a two to three year jury from when he started with the company. And the reason that it takes that long is it may be surprising to some of us why it would take so long because we can do the headcount actions fairly quickly, which we did. We can get to indirect procurement savings, which we will get to this year. It's the direct procurement savings that take a little bit longer because sometimes you're looking at bringing in, restartifying new suppliers or actually swapping in and out new materials on existing products and trying to avoid new 510K filings with the FDA. So it does take a little time. So I think we're making good progress from 2024 to 2025. We will make even more progress as we move into 2026. That is, we continue with the indirect procurement savings as well as start to see more of the direct procurement savings come through on the gross margin line. And then the final thing I would say is that we are going to get a bit of a tailwind as we fully exit from the donor screening business, the U.S. donor screening business in 2026. You know, we've sized that at roughly 50 to 100 basis points. And then the final thing I mentioned is the Savannah launch. That will provide some tailwinds to margins as well as we start to move from dilutive impacts of the project to more accretive impacts of a molecular product margin. So all those things combined will get you to, again, that greater than 25% adjusted EBITDA margin. So we'll make progress this year. You know, we'll make more progress next year. And I would think, you know, by the time we get to the end of 2026, first half of 2027, we should be where we need to be with margins.

Thank you. As a quick reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star one. The next question comes from Andrew Cooper with Raymond James. You may proceed.

Everybody, thanks for the question. A lot already asked, but maybe just one, you know, just to make sure on the 30 to 50 million of savings this year, that's an in-year number. And I think you said second half weight. So is it right to think about, you know, as we move into 2026, there is some slow through there on top of, like you called out, the incremental direct procurement work and so forth. You know, so we should have, again, kind of another above, you know, fully normalized margin expansion year in 2026. Is that the right way to think about it?

Yeah, Andrew. Yeah, the 30 to 50 that we talked about is incremental. We'll be in-year. That's the this year impact. And you're right, it'll be mostly second half impact. And it'll be mostly, as I said earlier, mostly in the OPEX area, because a lot of that is focused on in-ora. And then for sure, we have many direct procurement projects and initiatives in flight, which will start to benefit more in 2026. And, you know, as we move through 2025, we'll talk a little more about what those impacts might look like in 2026.

Okay, helpful. And then I'm going to sneak two together here, but maybe just on Savannah and the timing. I think you said you started the trial last month. That puts you a full kind of 10 months from when you first withdrew the submission last year. It's a little bit later than we would have thought, given, you know, a typical respiratory season of what we've seen of late would have kicked off a little earlier. Luckily, there is kind of a big February surge, it appears. But just how do we think about the timing there and potentially being ready for this next flu season? And if all goes right, I know you don't have anything baked in, but just kind of would love the thoughts there on what that could look like if it does. And then secondly, just very quickly, can you give us a little bit of color for the donor screening revenues assumed in the guide?

Yeah, sure. So on Savannah and the start of the trial, we did start it in January. As you recall, the flu season was ramping up a little later in December this year than we had expected. We tried to time the start of the trial with the increase toward the peak so that we would get the kinds of samples that we need to have a successful trial. So, you know, the season will go on here for another couple of months. We'll be collecting our samples, running our data, and then we would expect, you know, we'd go into a period where we analyze the data and make a submission with the idea of moving through a process for an approval that would put us into the market later this year. So we're really, there's really no change in the timing of our expectation for Savannah. And there's not much more that we can really say about it until we're well through our trial and into the regulatory process.

And then, Andrew, the donor screening question, you had really no change from what we said on the Q3 earnings call that we expect that the donor screening business this year will be 40 to 50 million. The US donor screening will be 40 to 50 million. And that's down quite a bit from 2024 where we finished at roughly 115 million. So, you know, it's quite a drag, but we'll get through most of the wind down this year. I think there'll be very little residual revenue that will fall into 2026. We should get through most of this year.

Great. I'll stop there. Thank you.

Thank you. The next question comes from Tichell Peterson with Jeffreys. He may proceed.

Yeah, hi, this is Chakhan for Tyco. Thanks for taking our question. I guess first, thinking about the longer-term margin target, how should we think about the trade-off between building your longer-term growth engine, you know, funding innovation beyond Savannah and sort of right-sizing the cost structure? What gives you confidence in the ability to get back to consistent -single-digit growth while also driving this new operating model?

Yeah, well, thank you for the question. You know, what I would say is there's a direct correlation between the work that we're doing in margin expansion and our ability to invest in the future of the business with, you know, new product development, both in terms of, you know, assays, content on our platforms and new systems. So we view them as, I view them as connected. And, you know, our, my initial focus was really around getting the organization focused on the things we had to do from a cost improvement standpoint, getting Savannah, you know, on the tracks. And then we had a number of other important menu expansion and life cycle management projects. We're very quickly here, I think, with the traction that we're getting in our Curement initiatives, turning the corner there to looking at what we can do now to further drive the robustness of our product portfolio. We're still in the early stages there, but we're in the process of defining innovation roadmaps for each of our businesses, you know, that involve assays and new systems. And so, you know, we'll share more about that in future calls as we develop our plans. I'd also, you know, in terms of the underlying business model here, I would just point to the fact that, you know, this is a very solid, stable, single-digit growth business that's really supported by the underlying business dynamics of, you know, long customer relationships, a positive wind loss ratio, high renewal rates. And those dynamics really support kind of, you know, this underlying growth and really anything we do with systems and new assays are things that we can layer on top of that.

Got it. Appreciate the color. I got second real quick. We got into mid-single digits and labs for the year. Are there any swing factors in play that could drive that to either lower mid-single digits or higher end, for instance, China?

Yeah, well, you know, China is a dynamic market, you know, things, you know, things change there quickly, I would say. You know, right now I don't see anything, again, on the BBP front or the reimbursement front that would have a major impact there. And again, I kind of point to the stable, you know, recurring revenue dynamic of our business model that wouldn't point to any, you know, major swings in our labs business.

Yeah, I think I would only add that, you know, as a tailwind, you know, menu is always going to drive incremental growth. So, you know, if we continue to reprioritize the R&D group on menu expansion, you know, I'd like to think that, you know, there would be potential upside going forward. I wouldn't say this year because, you know, what we put out as the guide we're comfortable with, but, you know, moving forward as you expand the menu, especially on the IA side, that would drive additional growth.

Thank you. The next question comes from Casey Woodring with JPMorgan. You may proceed.

Great. Thank you for taking my questions. I guess my first one, can you give us a sense on what to expect for 1Q across your different business lines and specifically on respiratory and flu in 1Q? You know, what you have baked in here there. LII, ILI has been picking up, as you noted, so curious if respiratory in 1Q could come in above where it was in 3Q since inventories are lower or if some of that was just pulled forward in the fall. And then, you know, I guess if respiratory is expected to come in stronger here in 1Q, how are you thinking about the rest of the year? Just given the unknowns around the 25, 26 respiratory season. Yeah, just maybe walk us through 1Q versus the rest of the year in respiratory.

Yeah, I Casey, this is Brian. You know, we're seeing the same thing that you're seeing, which is, you know, the ILI really spiking up here and also the positivity rate is also, you know, almost double what it was last year. And I think it's higher or as high as the 1718 flu season, which was a pretty robust season for us. You know, we got off to a late start, but now we've seen this peak and, you know, the question is how quickly the peak will come down. You know, I think just given how high it is, there's a good likelihood that, you know, the tail from the coming down from the peak will stretch out a little bit further. And I think that's supported to a certain extent by what we saw in the southern hemisphere this last summer. So we're watching it. And, you know, you just don't know what the duration of this season is going to be. So, you know, we assumed for our full year guidance, an average flu season, you know, with a test size of 50 to 55 million tests in 2025, which is kind of the average for us for the last three years. And that's what we've got baked into our full year guide.

Thank you. The following comes from Andrew Brackman with William Blair. You may proceed.

Hey guys, good afternoon. Thanks for taking questions. A lot to ask of Brian, maybe one for you, big picture. I think you've been in the seat now eight months or so. So I think you've had some time to do sort of a full review of the business. Any sort of changes in how you're sort of thinking about this collection of assets on the whole, just being the right mix or any sort of changes in how you might be thinking about acquisitions, the best-deserved cuts, things like that? Thanks. Well,

you know, thanks, Andrew. Our focus really is on improving the operational performance of the business. I like every one of these businesses. I think they fit together well, again, giving us the capability to work across the entire patient care value stream and be in both centralized and decentralized testing. I think each of the businesses plays a different role in our portfolio. But largely speaking, our focus is on making each of them more profitable and each of them grow more. So in the short term, I don't have anything really to say on business development opportunities. We're really just focused on improving the operation of the business at this point.

Great. I'll just stick to that one. Thanks, guys.

Thank you. The final question comes from Connor McNamara with RDC Capital Markets. You may proceed.

Hello, this is Jose Ricardo for Connor. I just wanted to go back to the tariff conversation. Thank you for asking one of me asked questions. I know things have changed quickly since you spoke, and the administration has different approaches to tariffs, depending upon the country. And you talked about some of the instruments that are sourced with parts from Mexico. Have you also looked into the exposure on the secondary level suppliers that provide you with procurement of process materials that you also incorporate into your manufactured instruments?

Yeah, yeah, that's all that's all factored into the analysis that I referenced earlier. It is all factored in there. Yeah. And again, we don't see a lot of exposure for China or Canada. You know, if there's any one country with more exposure, it will be Mexico, including all those layers that you mentioned.

Perfect. Thank you.

You're welcome.

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