QuickLogic Corporation

Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon. At this time, I would like to welcome everybody to QuickLogic Corporation's fourth quarter and fiscal 2025 earning results conference call. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Allison Ziegler of Darrow Associates. Ms. Ziegler, please go ahead.

Thank you, Operator, and thanks to all of you for joining us. Our speakers today are Brian Faith, President and Chief Executive Officer, and Elias Nader, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. As a reminder, some of the comments QuickLogic makes today are forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties, including but not limited to statements regarding our future profitability and cash flows, expectations regarding our future business and expected revenue growth, and statements regarding the timing, milestones, and payments related to our government contracts. Actual results may differ due to a variety of factors, including delays in the market acceptance of companies' new products, the ability to convert design opportunities into customer revenue, our ability to replace revenue from end-of-life products, the level and timing of customer design activity, the market acceptance of our customers' products, the risk that new orders may not result in future revenues, our ability to introduce and produce new products based on advanced wafer technology on a timely basis, our ability to adequately market the low power, competitive pricing, and short time to market of our new products, intense competition by competitors, our ability to hire and retain qualified personnel, changes in product demand or supply, general economic conditions, political events, international trade disputes, natural disasters, and other business interruptions that could disrupt disrupt supply or delivery of or demand for the company's products and changes in tax rates and exposure to additional tax liabilities. For more detailed discussions of the risks, uncertainties, and assumptions that could result in those differences, please refer to the risk factors discussed in QuickLogic's most recently filed periodic reports with the SEC. QuickLogic assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements or information which speak as of the respective dates of publication of any new information or future events. In today's call, we will be reporting non-GAAP financial measures. You may refer to the earnings release we issued today for a detailed reconciliation of our GAAP to non-GAAP results and other financial statements. We have also posted an updated financial table on our IR webpage that provides current and historical non-GAAP data. Please note, QuickLogic uses its website, the company blog, corporate ex-account, Facebook page, and LinkedIn page as channels of distribution of information about its business. Such information may be deemed material information, and QuickLogic may use these channels to comply with its disclosure obligations under Regulation FD. A copy of the prepared remarks made on today's call will be posted on QuickLogic's IR webpage shortly after the conclusion of today's earnings call. I would now like to turn the call over to Brian. Go ahead, Brian.

Thank you, Alison. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you all for joining our fourth quarter 2025 conference call. While certain contract delays over the course of the year resulted in much lower than expected 2025 revenue, we accomplished numerous tangible milestones that set the stage well for 2026 and beyond. Underscoring this is our forecast for nearly 50% sequential revenue growth in Q1. large contracts for very high-density EFPGA hard IP cores that are in late stages of negotiation, and the acceleration of our storefront business model, which we believe will drive a meaningful revenue contribution beginning in 2026. I'll take a few minutes now to update you on these and other accomplishments. In our February 18th press release, we announced QuickLogic was awarded a $13 million tranche for our ongoing contract with the U.S. government that was initiated in 2022. We will begin recognizing revenue from this tranche in Q1. In line with my comments during our last earnings conference call, this tranche funds increased quarterly revenue recognition relative to 2025. In parallel with our U.S. government contract, QuickLogic internally funded the development of an SRH FPGA test chip. Last August, we delivered design files to global foundries to fabricate our SRH FPGA test chip using its 12 LP process. This chip was designed to meet the specific requirements of certain large dibs that have programs in development today that are good candidates for this device. This investment positions us very well as the only source available today for a US fabricated FPGA that addresses the full spectrum of radiation hardness requirements. We received our SRH FPGA test chip samples earlier in Q1 and announced in a January 14th press release that we have received orders for our SRH FPGA Dev Kit that enables DIBs to evaluate the test chips. I view this as a strong demand signal and our first tangible step towards what I believe will be hundreds of millions of dollars in potential storefront business for our discrete SRH FPGA during the coming years. Beyond the discrete SRH FPGA market, we are leveraging this test chip to cast a much broader net. In addition to the applications that require strategic radiation hardness that are most likely to design using our storefront discrete SRH FPGA, There are many other applications with less rigorous radiation requirements that may prefer to integrate our SRH eFPGA hard IP in ASICs. DIBs are already using Global Foundry's 12OP fabrication process for various levels of radiation hardness in ASIC designs. By demonstrating our SRH FPGA test chip that is also fabricated on 12OP, We are positioning QuickLogic to address both discrete SRH FPGA requirements, as well as provide DIBs with the confidence they need to integrate our SRH eFPGA hard IP in future ASIC designs. In some cases, these DIBs may also elect to utilize our storefront services for their ASIC designs. The short story here is by leveraging the milestones accomplished in 2025, we believe we are very well positioned to successfully address both discrete and embedded FPGA designs across the full spectrum of radiation hardness requirements. And with the architectural enhancements we implemented last year that are extensible to 12LP, we have significantly expanded our SAM in these markets to include the lucrative applications for very high-density discrete and embedded FPGA. During our last conference call, I stated that a mid-seven-figure EFPGA hard IP contract leveraging Intel 18A was pushed into 2026 due to a delay in government funding. Based on our conversations with this DIB, we remain highly confident we will be awarded this contract once it is funded. While the timing of funding remains uncertain, Our discussions with this DIV have expanded to include the potential of QuickLogic providing storefront services for the customer-designed ASIC that will include our EFPGA hard IP. We expect that we will learn more about the potential expansion to storefront and the timing for this award in the coming months. During this funding delay and the discussions about expanding the scope of our participation, we have worked closely with this DIV on a variety of projects. Through these efforts, we have been awarded three smaller Intel 18A contracts that total well over $1 million, and a fourth is pending that will bring the total to nearly $2 million. The first two contracts were for Intel 18A test chips. We delivered IP for both in 2025 and expect to receive an allotment of test chips for our internal evaluation next quarter. The third contract was for a 1 million LUT feasibility study that we completed in Q4. A fourth contract, which we anticipate being awarded yet this quarter, leverages the architectural enhancements developed during the 1 million LUT study. In support of this contract, we will deliver HART-IP for a very large Intel 18A EFPGA core that customer plans to integrate into its ASIC that is targeted for tape-out during the second half of 2026. The architectural enhancements we developed in support of the One Million Let Study can be leveraged across all advanced fabrication nodes, which we define as 12 nanometers and smaller. These enhancements reduce power consumption, increase performance, and reduce the silicon area required for a given size block of our core FPGA technology. In industry terms, the enhancements materially improve our PPA. With these architectural enhancements in place, we can address the lucrative markets that require very high-density eFPGA cores in ASIC designs and very high-density discrete FPGAs. This significantly expands our SAM for eFPGA hard IP and discrete devices, including our SRH FPGA, chiplets, and other storefront opportunities. In addition to these DIB contracts, we are working closely with a large commercial customer on a new Intel 18A contract valued at several million dollars. We originally expected this contract would be awarded in late Q4. However, the customer decided to expand the size of the eFPGA core in their ASIC to provide greater programmable flexibility. While this is a beneficial trend for QuickLogic, it has delayed the contract award. We are currently forecasting this contract will be awarded during Q2. During our November 2025 conference call, I stated that we would soon announce the expansion of our involvement with a DIB that specializes in cybersecurity for strategic and tactical weapon systems. On December 8th, we issued a press release announcing Idaho Scientific selected our EFPGA hard IP for forward-leaning hardware-based cryptographic solutions designed to address mobile IoT infrastructure and defense systems. Idaho Scientific has a rich history in leveraging FPGA technology to deliver robust security systems that can adapt quickly to changing external threats without the vulnerabilities that are inherent in software-based solutions. By integrating our eFPGA hard IP into its secure system-on-chip processors, It can further enhance its cryptographic security and address new markets much more quickly and with lower risks and lower costs. Last April, we announced an EFPGA hard IP contract with a new defense industrial-based customer valued at $1.1 million that will be fabricated on the GF12LP process. This application utilizes a large block of our EFPGA hard IP for critical functions. which is a trend we are seeing in designs targeting advanced fabrication notes. With the cooperation of this DIB and its end customer, we are leveraging the large EFPGA core into a new seven-figure contract that we expect to announce this year. However, due to the fact this contract involves multiple parties, it is taking longer than we expected to finalize. Based on current forecasts, we anticipate the contract award later this quarter. In the scope of this new contract, we will be provided with test chips that we will incorporate in an evaluation kit. The evaluation kit, which is currently scheduled for late 2026, will be compatible with common third-party development environments used by both DIBs and commercial customers. This enables these customers to accelerate system-level evaluations and designs that can use either a storefront version of the discrete FPGA or our eFPGA hard IP in an ASIC. In parallel with these efforts, we're exploring the potential to leverage the FPGA as a chiplet that is co-packaged with one of our partner's microcontrollers. We are already seeing interest from some of our partners on this concept. We completed the initial phase of our digital proof of concept chiplet program in 2025 as a strategy to accelerate our storefront chiplet initiative. Internally, we refer to this as POC. With the support of our large strategic partners, we leveraged our existing eFPGA HART IP and readily available third-party IP to move this program forward rapidly and with minimal investment. With ongoing debates regarding the communications and protocol layers of chiplet interfaces, this POC and our decades of experience in FPGA bridging positions us well as a potential solution to move chiplet designs forward to satisfy what appears to be significant pent-up demand. We were invited to present a paper on our POC at the recent Chiplet Summit and at the Intel Foundry's Partners presentation at the upcoming GoMAC, together with Cadence and Trusted Summit Conductor Solutions. The net takeaway from our presentation at the Chiplet Summit supports our optimism that chiplets will build traction in 2026. The primary hurdles today are interoperability gaps, and we believe a storefront FPGA chiplet is the logical solution for a programmable bridge. Earlier this year, Epson gave us permission to share its case study that supports our claims that using FPGA technology to process algorithms lowers power consumption without sacrificing programmability relative to processing and software. We published the results in a blog post on January 13th. Epson's SOC was originally architected to run workloads entirely in software. But as demand for more features and real-time responsiveness grew, power consumption became a limiting factor. Epson's engineering team recognized that moving compute-intensive functions into dedicated hardware could deliver significant efficiency gains. But the hardware solution would need to be capable of adapting to changes in algorithms. This meant the only practical solution would be an eFPGA core integrated inside the SOC. By using our proprietary Astralis eFPGA IP generator, we were able to quickly deliver a customized hard IP core specifically designed to the SOC application that targeted TSMC's E12N fabrication technology. Adding to our challenge was the fact that this would be our first eFPGA hard IP for E12N. From design handoff to silicon validation, the IP integrated cleanly into Epson's SOC without the need for respins or late-stage design changes. Epson was able to boot, configure, and validate the eFPGA subsystem immediately, accelerating its schedule and reducing risk. After final testing, Epson confirmed the resulting design reduced overall power consumption by 50%. This makes a huge difference for battery-powered systems. Given our success in this design, we believe we are very well positioned for future opportunities with Epson, as well as other companies with similar requirements. As I'm sure you noticed in our 8K, we took a large impairment charge on Sensible. This is due to the standard accounting practice to impair the value of an asset held for sale for a year or longer. During the last year, we have discussed the divestiture of Sensible with microcontroller companies, and in one case, those discussions advanced to due diligence. but were concluded without an agreement. We are in discussions today with a large company where sensible software potentially presents high value for new AI and drone projects. We cannot provide assurance that this or other discussions will result in a transaction. With that, I will turn the call over to Elias for his presentation of financial data.

Thank you, Brian. And good afternoon, everyone. Total fourth quarter revenue was 3.7 million. This was down 35% from Q4 2024 and up 84% from Q3 2025. New product revenue in Q4 was 2.8 million and mature product revenue was 0.9 million. New product revenue was down 39% from Q4 2024 and up 199% compared to Q3 2025. Mature product revenue was down from $1 million in the fourth quarter of 2024 and $1.1 million in the third quarter of 2025. Non-GAAP gross margin in Q4 was 20.8%. The primary reasons the non-GAAP gross profit margin was below my outlook are $473,000 in inventory reserves and $135,000 in contracted professional services costs attributable to COGS that were not anticipated at the time of our last conference call. The balance is mostly attributable to a higher than expected contribution from professional services relative to IP and mature product revenue. Non-GAAP operating expenses in Q4 were approximately $3.5 million. This was $500,000 above the midpoints of outlook due to the booking of certain executive incentives in Q4. This compares with non-GAAP operating expenses of $2.9 million in the fourth quarter of 2024 and $2.9 million in the third quarter of 2025. Non-GAAP net loss was 2.9 million or 17 cents per share. This compares to a non-GAAP net income of 0.6 million or 4 cents per diluted share in Q4 2024, and a non-GAAP net loss of 3.2 million or 19 cents per share in the third quarter of fiscal 2025. The difference between our GAAP and non-GAAP results is related to non-cash stock-based compensation expenses and the non-cash impairment charge for Sentinel that Brian mentioned. Stock-based compensation for Q4 was $700,000 compared to $900,000 in Q4 2024 and $800,000 in Q3 2025. For the fourth quarter, three customers accounted for 10% or more of total revenue. At the close of Q4, total cash was $18.8 million, inclusive of $15 million from our credit facility. This compares with $17.3 million inclusive of $15 million from our credit facility at the close of Q3 2025. This increase of $1.5 million in net cash is inclusive of $3.2 million raised with our ATM during Q4. Now moving to our guidance and outlook for our fiscal first quarter, which will end on March 29, 2026. Based on backlog and customer forecasts, our total revenue guidance for Q1 is 5.5 million plus or minus 10%. We expect total revenue to be comprised of 4.5 million in new product revenue and 1 million in mature product revenue. For the full year, we anticipate mature product revenue will be approximately $4 million. Based on the anticipated Q1 revenue mix, non-GAAP gross margin for the first quarter is expected to be approximately 45% plus or minus 5%. For the full year 2026, we're modeling a 57% non-GAAP gross profit margin. However, There are several factors that we believe will weigh on our non-GAAP gross profit margin during the first half of 2026. We are modeling services revenue will be a high percentage of total revenue during the first half. In support of services, we will have costs for software tools that we lease, and we will utilize outside engineering services in addition to our internal resources. A large percentage of these costs are currently being modeled as COGS. We expect some percentage of these costs will be capitalized, but it is unclear at this point the exact percentage. Also during the first half, we will incur certain significant costs associated with large contracts that will be recognized late during the quarter and the offsetting revenue will not be recognized until the following quarter. We're modeling these factors as negatively impacting our non-GAAP gross profit margin during Q1 and Q2. Among the significant costs we're modeling for fiscal 2026 are three multi-project wafer or MPW tip-outs. All three tape-outs are for products that we intend to sell via our storefront program. The costs associated with two of these tape-outs will be fully covered by customer contracts. One of these contracts is already on the books, and another is in the very late stages of negotiation. We believe the costs associated with the third tape-out will be covered, at least in part, by contracts. If contracts are secured in advance of this tape-out, it would be an upside to our full-year model. Please note that given the nature of our industry, we may occasionally need to classify certain expenses to COGS versus OPEX or capitalize certain costs. These classifications are related to labor and tooling for IP products, IP contracts, pardon me. This may cause variability in our quarterly gross margins and operating results that will usually balance out on the operating line. With that in mind, our Q1 non-GAAP operating expenses are expected to be approximately $3.2 million plus or minus 5%. We are expecting full-year non-GAAP operating expenses to be approximately $13.5 million. This forecasted growth of 14% in non-GAAP OPEX over 2025 is to support our anticipated revenue growth in 2026. After interest and other income, we're forecasting a Q1 net loss of about $800,000 or loss of approximately $0.04 per share. The main difference between our GAAP or non-GAAP results is related to non-cash stock-based compensation expenses. In Q1, we expect this compensation will be approximately $800,000, which is similar to Q4 2025 and Q1 2025. As a reminder, there will be movement in our stock-based compensation during the year, and it may vary quarter to quarter based on the timing of grants. Prior to this conference call, we raised approximately $3.2 million during Q1 using our existing ATM. We anticipate Q1 cash use net of money raised with our ATM will be approximately 1.4 million. Our projected Q1 cash use is negatively impacted by the expected timing of payments attributable to our prime U.S. government contract. The timing of these payments during the year are expected to benefit cash flow during the second half. As a heads up, We are working to secure a new banking partner as we are focused on obtaining more favorable terms that will lower our costs and purposely reduce our line of credit from $20 million to $10 million. Thank you for your time, and with that, I will now turn the call over to Brian for his closing comments.

Thank you, Elias. Through hard work, dedication, and long hours, the QuickLogic team accomplished numerous strategic milestones in 2025 that has enabled us to enter 2026 on extremely sound footing. Thank you all for what you have accomplished. Our continued performance on our prime U.S. government contract has led to its expansion to a potential $89 million. The addition of GlobalFoundries and its 12LP fabrication process which is used today by numerous DIBs for a variety of radiation hardness requirements, and most recently the award of a $13 million tranche. Independent of this contract, QuickLogic funded its own strategic radiation hard, or SRH, discrete FPGA test chip. We now have test chips in hand as well as orders for our SRH FPGA dev kit that will enable DIBs to evaluate our test chip for the full spectrum radiation hardness requirements. This significantly accelerates our ability to win both discrete SRH FPGA designs we can storefront, as well as designs that are better suited to embed our SRH eFPGA hard IP in ASICs. To further accelerate our storefront business model in 2026, we are planning three multi-project wafer or MPW tapeouts this year. All three tapeouts are for chips that we intend to sell via our storefront program. The cost for two of these tape-outs will be fully covered by customer contracts. One of these contracts is already on the books, and another is in the very late stages of negotiation. We believe the third tape-out will be covered at least in part by contracts. Through a revenue-generating contract with a customer, we developed architectural enhancements for our core eFPGA technology that enables us to address the lucrative markets for very high density in both discrete and embedded designs. These enhancements were initially developed for Intel 18A and are extensible to all advanced fabrication notes. Given the sound foundation of the recently awarded U.S. government contract, our outlook for continuing mature business of approximately $4 million in 2026, and the number of pending contracts that are in the late stages of negotiation, we believe we are well positioned to deliver between 50% and 100% revenue growth in 2026. With that, I will turn the call over for questions.

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. And for participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Our first question is from Richard Shannon. With Craig Callum, Capital Group, please proceed.

Thanks, Brian and Elias, for taking my questions. Hey, Richard. Hey, Brian, you kind of saved the best for last year with the outlook for the year here. So I guess I'll start with that topic here and ask for a little bit of help. I'm trying to think about the dollar growth here, contributions as we go from 25 to 26 in that year. 50% to 100% here. I wonder if you could portray that by storefront contribution, defense versus commercial, and any other ways you'd like to split that up, please.

Sure. So as I said, $4 million of that is going to be our base mature business, which we're very comfortable with at this point for the year. And then, of course, the $13 million tranche for the U.S. government contract, so that's $17 million. If you were to look at the range of 50 to 100%. Obviously, we need to get well into the 20s to get to that, and we're expecting that there will be additional contracts that are defense-related for either one of those NPW test ships that I alluded to and or IP that would be to defense contractors for use in their ASICs. As I mentioned, as we've gone and upgraded our architecture to support higher LUT counts, We're seeing a lot of interest in that type of architecture for some of these process technologies that are tried and true for U.S. defense companies like 18A and 12OP. And then if you go on top of that a little bit further, we see other commercial IP opportunities, one of which I mentioned during the call that we felt was pushed into 2026 from 2025 with that commercial customer specifically because they were looking at making the IP core larger to handle more capability. And so there was a lot of architectural discussions and trade-offs going on that sort of naturally pushed that IP contract into what we're now forecasting to be 2026. But that would be a non-defense customer for that particular IP license. Does that help give color to the question, Richard?

Yes, it does here. So maybe I probably should have asked this as a multiple to part question here, but maybe I just want to get a little sense of what are the differences between high and low end of that range here. I think I heard part of it, but I'd love to hear you put that all together, please.

Sure.

So if you look at the low end of that range, that would definitely be the base $4 million business, the current tranche that we have for the government contract, and I'd say a couple of IP licenses, one of which would be useful for one of these NPW tapeouts. And then the higher end or even exceeding the higher end of that would be as we layer additional IP licenses on top of that and perhaps even further funding on the government contract.

Okay. That is helpful.

Maybe a couple other questions for me here. So big picture, when we look at strategic ride hard, both, I asked this question, both as FPJs as well as the opportunity to store fronts for ASICs to include your IP here. What do we think, or how do we think about timing of wins with any of these dibs for, you know, I think substantial programs, I think that was the intention of this program all along here. Help us understand what you're expecting to happen this year versus the following years.

So this year, we're expecting evaluations to take place using our test chips, either ours or the government-funded one, and then getting to some sort of architecture understanding with these dips by the end of this year, this fiscal year. Next year, starting actual development activity with those chips. So to be clear, this year is very much an evaluation year. All of these companies are very risk-averse from a technical perspective, and so they need the time to dig into the test chip and make sure that they understand it and are comfortable with the tools that go along with it, meaning our software tools and the device and the dev kits themselves. So, meaning exiting this year with their positive feedback and sort of thumbs up that they want to move forward with architecture insertion next year.

Okay.

That is a helpful perspective. Maybe jumping back quickly to thought process for the year here, you mentioned a sales number, and then Elias also gave us some other numbers. I wasn't able to put those together here to understand whether we're going to be net income positive or cash flow positive this year. Maybe you can help us understand your thought process, both at the low and the high end of your sales guidance ranking.

Well, I'll tell you, we're expecting cash flow positive on the second half of the year for sure.

Not the first half, Richard. Okay. And how about net income or EPS?

What's that looking like?

Same. I think we'll be on the high end in the second half of the year and not the first half as well. But I expect to be both positive on net income in the second half of the year.

Okay, that is helpful.

And one last question for me, I'll jump on the line here. Brian, you mentioned targeting three MPWs this year, and I think I've lost some of the details you offered regarding that, but maybe you could help us understand the dynamics here, and is this something that's kind of follow on to the ones you got on last year, or are these blossoming opportunities that you expect to continue to do here? Like, how should we think about these And I can't remember also, did you mention the process note or even founders of those? Yeah, thank you.

Yeah, we did not mention process technology for these, and I'm not going to. But they are based on process technologies that we already support, so we don't have to do an actual physical port to a new process to execute on these. And I think we're trying to convey that two of these will be fully covered by customer contracts. and one of them would be partially covered by the contract. The key here being that there's going to be end customers associated with all three of them. They're the driving force behind the definition of these, and in some cases, like we mentioned, either partial or fully funding the development of them during the year.

Okay, sounds good. I will jump on the line, guys. Thank you. Thanks, Richard.

Our next question is from Neil Young with Needham and Company. Please proceed.

Hey, everyone. Thank you for letting me ask some questions. Hey, Neil. First, hey, the first question I wanted to ask about the high performance data center one that you talked about in the press release. Maybe if we could dig a little bit deeper in that, you know, share what the application is, you know, just any other color I think would be interesting. Thanks.

Sure.

So this is a 12 nanometer design, and it's for an EFPG IP core. The EFPG IP core for this particular one is a meaningful percent of the die size, meaning it's not just an insurance policy. It's actually delivering capability that they've architected in from day one to be very important for the functionality of this chip. Because it's not a three or four nanometer chip, obviously it's not going to be a GPU class device. But there's a lot of peripheral components in these data center printed circuit boards that surround those types of devices. And this would be an example of one of those, let's call it peripheral chips, that are still important and critical for overall functionality, but not the core of the compute. So we're continuing to execute on that, continuing our engagement with the customer, and hopefully supporting their tape out at some point later this year. You know, the nice thing about it, I'm glad you brought it up, Neil, because This is sort of probably the largest IP contract we've had in recent times for a non-defense application. And a lot of people have asked us repeatedly, are you going to be beyond just defense? And we said yes. And I think it's glad that we're able to talk about this particular example because it clearly is a non-defense application. And we believe hopefully the start of other non-defense applications as well. The other one I'll mention is Epson, right? We gave Epson more airtime today in the call. Based on that blog, that's also an example of a non-defense use. So it's been a while getting to more commercial customers, but I think we're starting to see a little bit more momentum and interest there now that we have these other process technologies supported.

Thanks. That makes sense. The other question I had, I'm just interested in the competitive dynamics. You talked about, you know, the potential storefront business being pretty large for this discrete, you know, strategic Red Heart FPGA during the coming year and the year after that. I was curious if the competition differs at all from, you know, your traditional EFPGA IP that you've talked about. So just anything different on the competition front would be helpful, just understanding that.

Sure. So we go up to 50,000 feet and we say, what's the programmable logic umbrella in total? There's eFPGA and there's FPGAs. And most people know the FPGA competitors, or I guess the peers, if you will, some of them not really competitors, would be Xilinx and Altera and the FPGA division at Microchip and Lattice and Phoenix and Acronix. Those are sort of the companies that do discrete FPGA devices. Now, of those, If we think about what are the ones that are U.S.-based and have a defense focus and do devices that would fall into this category of some level of radiation hardness, you can kind of go and zoom in and say, okay, well, today Microchip has devices from their Actel acquisition long ago that do this rad-tolerant to some extent rad-hard. Xilinx has some rad-tolerant, I think one rad-hard device. I think Altera has some of them. I admit I haven't looked at their product portfolio recently. And I think Lattice would like to get into defense and doesn't really have anything today in that area. I don't think Equinix has. I think Equinix is mostly focused on Asia. So you already whittled down pretty closely to just a couple people that do any level of serious radiation hardness or tolerance. But when you compare and you say, okay, well, let me move the bar and say it has to be manufactured onshore and it's got to meet strategic levels. I would challenge anybody to go to the websites of those companies I just mentioned and point to a device that meets those requirements. I think it's a null set. So I think we're really well positioned in that sense as we continue to execute on this program. Now, the other part of the programmable logic umbrella, as I mentioned, is EFPG IP. And none of those companies that I just mentioned have a real EFPG IP business. They want to sell you devices because they view IP as undermining device sales, I would imagine. From an IP perspective, there's really just a couple companies that have done IP in the last few years besides QuickLogic. One is called FlexLogix that was acquired last year by Analog Devices and made captive, so they don't do licensing anymore. Another is a French startup company called Menta, and they have licensable IP. And then there's a couple of really tiny academically-oriented companies that I won't even give airtime to today. So if you compare us against one company, Menta. Again, I go back to, you know, we're a more established company. We're doing business with all these big companies. We have the spectrum of IP2 devices. We're a U.S. company, products made in the U.S., so we have a lot of, I would say, differentiation at that level compared to Menta. But the more important one is when you dig into the technical details, Menta is a soft IP company. And so soft IP means that when you're licensing IP to a customer, They're not just getting soft IP. They're getting a big boatload of work to make it a hard IP before they put it into their ASIC. And with that boatload of work comes a lot of risk and time and cost. And when you're a hard IP supplier like we are, we take care of all that. They don't have to worry about designing anything. They just need to think about how do I architect and use this IP. And so there's a huge difference in the engagement model between us and Menta. And that's, I think, reflected in the wins that we're announcing, who's using us. It's also reflected in the average selling price of our IP, right? We're not doing soft IP, you know, as a $20,000 IP that comes with it a lot of work. You're licensing something for quite a bit more money, but we're taking care of that work and risk for the customer. And that's the huge difference between us and Mensa as far as the EFPG IP goes.

Hopefully that helps as an update on the competitive dynamics.

Yes, very helpful. Thank you. Those are all my questions.

You're welcome, Neil.

Our next question is from Tyler Burmeister with Lake Street Capital Markets. Please proceed.

Hey, guys. Thanks for letting me ask a few questions here. So first, great to see, excuse me, the next tranche of the U.S. SRH Development Program, the $13 million you got, you know, as well as the announcement that the program had expanded with the Global Foundries process. Maybe it's a little bit of a fallout from an earlier question. I think you said potentially in the high end of expectations this year, you could see more funding, but to the extent you're able to, I'm just wondering if you're going to give any color on what next milestones we should be expecting or looking forward to from that program.

So I'm asked this question a lot, Tyler, and unfortunately I can't give programmatic details out on the program, but what I can say is is I'll go back to something I was given permission to say when we first got this contract in 2022, which is that the scope of this whole contract contemplates two devices, a test chip and a final chip. And so we were able to say, I think it was in December press release when we announced the contract ceiling expansion to 89 million and adding global foundries that we had in fact taped out a test chip for that contract. So you can sort of check one off the list there of the two. So you can imagine, I think it's a natural extension that with more funding, especially the rate, the increase in the funding from this year over last year, and the fact we've already done one but not two chips, that we're embarking on that second chip development now. And unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to give really specific details on what's in the chip and when we're taping it out and when it's going to come out, but it's all in line with...

with our obligations to the government for this contract.

Yeah, that's perfect. Appreciate the extra color there. And then, you know, the full year guidance was great and I appreciate the details around that. You know, just putting the pieces together, you know, strong Q1 and a number of initiatives, you know, kind of coming together at the same time here. Would it be reasonable to potentially expect some lumpiness through the year? Maybe, you know, Q2 sequentially down or do you think you could grow revenue sequentially, you know, kind of linearly through the year?

So we actually think that Q1 is going to be the low point for the year, right?

We'll give that breadcrumb. That the other quarters will be over Q1. There may be some lumpiness. And the reason why I say maybe is that when you're dealing with contracts that are, you know, $2 million, $3 million each, especially if it's IP and it's recognized on delivery, then there's some natural lumpiness to when we get the contract and we make the delivery in a particular quarter, right? So there may be lumpiness from that perspective, but I think, you know, we're trying to give this outlook that Q1 is actually the low point for the year, that it's going to be up from here.

That's perfect. I appreciate that. All right. That's all for me. Thanks, guys. Thanks, Tyler.

Our next question is from Gus Richard with Northland Capital Markets. Please proceed.

Yes, thanks for taking the questions. On Q3, you guys mentioned a $3 million commercial contract that you expected the revenue in Q4. It didn't look like you did. Is that part of the guide for Q1?

No, it's not. In this call, we said that we're expecting or forecasting that to be contracted in Q2, and so that That $3 million is not part of the Q1 guide. The other thing I'll add, Gus, is when we said initially Q3 and then in Q4 we said it may be in there or not, and it clearly got pushed. This is the one where we had said that now what they're looking at is a larger EFPGA core, and because they're looking at larger cores, they want to basically take more time on the technical feasibility side and diligence before we execute a contract. But it's not in the Q1 guide, to be very clear.

Okay, and that contract is upside, if I heard you correctly.

I'm sorry, could you say that? The value of the contract, it was increased.

Yeah, well, we said the size of the core is increased. We didn't say the value of it is increased, but the amount of eFPGA logic that they want is definitely larger than what they had originally thought of.

Thank you. I understand. And then my next question is for the test chip that you guys take out and have gotten samples back and you're getting orders for, you know, the test development boards. When do you expect those to start to ship and, you know, how much revenue do you think you can generate and from how many customers?

Several questions in there. Let me unpack that.

So, and for clarity, we've talked about two test chip tape outs now, right, publicly. We've talked about the government-funded one. We've talked about the self-funded one. So, because I can't give updates on the government one by my obligations to the government, I can just talk about our self-funded one. So, on the self-funded one, we did receive the chips in Q1. I'd say the FAB was a little bit later than what we had planned on for that. Our engineering team is working on those chips right now and going through the validation process. And what I've said previously is that as soon as we have those validated, then we'll make sure that we can get those out to fulfill the test chip or the dev kit orders. And I think we'd said previously, you know, we'd love to get it out by the end of Q1. If it's into Q2, then that's fine too, because we intentionally did this test chip tape out So we gave ourselves a lot of buffer in terms of time for us to get these into the hands of the DIP, but then to do the evaluations that they need to do to get comfortable. And I think your last question, Gus, there was how many customers. So the nature of this type of device being Rathard means that there aren't a lot of people that you're actually allowed to sell it to. Clearly U.S. based and the The nature of this is really for the strategic defense systems, and there's only a handful of those that actually design for any kind of subsystem in those devices or systems, I should say. So, you know, our target is less than five because those five really, really matter in terms of these major systems.

Got it. Thanks. Thanks for that clarity. And then my last one is on gross margins. You know, how do we think about the trajectory of gross margins going through the year? You know, non-GAAP, 45% for the first quarter. Does that step up at all in the second quarter? And, you know, or is it more of a linear ramp? How do we think about that?

Q1, we said 45%, give or take. Q2 would most likely be around the same flattish. Q3 and Q4, I see an upside big time on gross margins. I have to say, over the time I've been here, this has been the most difficult piece of the puzzle to gauge and forecast, mainly because of the way we capitalize certain cogs and move certain things into OPEX and otherwise. So it's been a very tough exercise to do, but we're getting there. But overall, I see a decent 57% for the full year in terms of gross margin that I said in the script.

Got it. I understand. Thank you so much.

You're very welcome. Thank you.

Our next question is from Rick Neaton with River Shore Investment Research. Please proceed.

Thank you for taking my question. I just had one question about chiplets. And you're talking about your bridging technology that you've used in the past with programmable logic. How do you see these chiplet applications using programmable logic? In what end uses are some of these being contemplated?

and when you say the second part of the question is on bridging are you talking about bridging on the chiplet or between chiplets okay so two questions there one is really the use case for the end applications for chiplets and then one is i guess how is it how are they partitioned within these packages is it all resident in one chiplet or is it multiple chiplets to solve the problems right

Right, right. Are you bridging between layers on a chiplet or are you bridging between multi-layer chiplets?

Yeah, okay.

I'm just curious.

I think, yeah, no, I can elaborate on some of this. So on the, let's start with the end markets and use cases for the chiplets. So I think we've talked about this before, but aerospace and defense is a really big market for chiplets because They don't want to have to do a bunch of custom ASICs if they can avoid it because their volumes are not terribly large and it costs a lot of money to go off and do these custom ASICs. So to the extent they can make things heterogeneous inside the package, it's going to really help offset their program costs for development. So the FPGA in that case, you can almost look at where are FPGAs used today in those systems? and that becoming a chiplet and connecting it with other devices that FPGAs interface with in those systems today. So in those systems today, you generally have some sort of big processor. It could be a flight computer. The FPGA technology today is very useful for signals that are coming in from sensors, doing preprocessing on those signals and packetizing them in a way that the actual CPU doesn't or SOC can process on without having to redo a lot of that capability that the FPJ is doing. Because remember, FPJs are very good at real-time, highly parallelized computation. So that's sort of the overall defense use case for these. And again, you can imagine that there's a lot of software that's already been written in the defense industry for certain processor architectures. There's already a lot of FPJs used. Packaging those DAI or capabilities inside one package actually saves on the A in PPA, which is area, right? A lot of these systems are going for more miniaturization and they're looking at packaging these things in a single package to do that. So that's the big use case there. I'd say outside of defense, there's a lot of interest for security or things that are sort of protected from this post-quantum era of computing for really just protecting systems from a cyber perspective. And eFPGA or FPGA is good for that because in the event that anything is hacked in the future, if the hardware itself is programmable, then you can reprogram whatever algorithm that you have in those to adapt to that threat at the time. And so there's interest in that as far as making these systems more trusted. And I don't mean trusted from a defense perspective. I mean trusted in the sense that you can trust that it's running what it's supposed to be running and nothing more than that. So that's also an interesting use case that's coming up for EFPGA chiplets. Again, the same idea being they've got a lot of software and infrastructure already. How can they adapt that existing infrastructure by adding a little bit of programmability and not redesigning all the ASICs? So that's a good use for an EFPGA chiplet. Now, as far as the bridging goes, you can see from these examples that we're not replacing the whole SOC with this EFPGA. It's basically taking the capability of a discrete FPGA and getting it inside the same package as what the SOC is or the ASIC is in their system architecture. And then as far as the actual bridging goes, you know, chipless is kind of like if you go back to when USB or PCI was first being broadly adopted in the PC or laptop era of growth. That sort of happened. That was successful because everybody was able to standardize on a common interface, right? PCI is PCI. USB is USB. You design a peripheral with that. You go to the plug fest. Everything works. Everybody's happy. In chipless, it's a lot more complicated than that because you have these different flavors of UCIE, as an example, and you have a bunch of wires, BOW, and they're incompatible. And so there isn't this notion of universal compatibility between And then if you dig even further into the details, if you want to, there's a difference between the physical layer and the protocol layer, right? So you can imagine like a physical layer is me writing a note on a piece of paper and passing it to you, right? I pass the paper, you receive it, we're all good. But if I'm writing in a different language than what you understand, it's going to look like gibberish when you try to read that paper. And the same thing is happening with UCIE where you're The physical layers may be compatible, right, UCIE cores on both sides, but the protocol that people are putting over UCIE are different. And that's exacerbated by people doing ASICs at different points in time. So one of the things with our eFPGA is we're thinking, well, that hardware is actually programmable. So as long as the physical layers are connecting and as long as you have enough gates in our FPGA, you can probably program them to add some level of compatibility or, in my paper analogy, like a translator. And so we're hopeful that some of those will actually come to fruition based on that value proposition. And we're starting to get some positive feedback on that idea based on what we heard at the Chiplet Summit last week and I think what we're going to hear at GOMAC next week in Louisiana when we're there presenting. Leonard, does that help with the use cases?

Yeah. No, I appreciate the color. And thanks for your time and answering my questions. Yeah, no problem. It's a pleasure.

Our final question is a follow-up from Richard Shannon with Craig Hallam Capital Group. Please proceed.

Hey guys, just one last question for me. Brian, we've been hitting on the topic of strategic rad hard and actually probably want to extend this maybe to rad hard given your comments on the call today here, but how many distinct programs are you bidding on here? I know you're not going to tell us an exact number, but I was hoping you could use language like a couple, a few, several, over a dozen, that sort of thing here. Just help us get a sense of the number of programs you're bidding on.

Thank you. I would say the immediate ones that are the highest level of radiation hardness, there are less than five major programs, but there are several subsystems within each major program that we would like to be inserted into. So I guess what you care about there is the total number of socket opportunities and that kind of parlance.

And that would be, I don't know, 10 to 20 total.

And that's for the highest level of radiation, which has been our focus because that's the greatest area of differentiation. If you start relaxing the radiation hardness requirements, obviously you can get into a lot of new applications around space. And there's going to be tens of applications in space, but the initial focus, especially for these first dev kit orders, is going to be the ones that are the higher levels of radiation where we don't have a competition at this point.

Got it. That's great perspective, Brian. That's all for me. Thank you.

Thanks, Richard.

There are no further questions. I would like to turn the conference back over to Brian Faith for closing remarks.

Thank you. And we will provide a technical presentation on our chiplet POC at the Intel Foundry's Partners presentation at the upcoming GOMAC March 10th, together with Cadence and Trusted Semiconductor Solutions. In April, we will exhibit at HEART, which is another government radiation effects-oriented conference, and also exhibit and present at IPSOC Day in Silicon Valley, again in April. Thank you for your support and for joining us today, and we'll talk with you next time. Thank you. Goodbye.

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