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spk01: Good morning, and thank you for joining us. This is Kevin Miller, Chief Financial Officer for RCM Technologies. I am joined today by Brad Veazey, RCM's Executive Chairman. Our presentation in this call will contain forward-looking statements. The information contained in the forward-looking statements is based on our beliefs, estimates, and assumptions, and information currently available to us. And these matters may materially change in the future. Many of these beliefs, estimates, and assumptions are subject to rapid changes. For more information on our forward-looking statements and the risks, uncertainties, and other factors to which they are subject, please see the periodic reports on Forms 10-K, 10-Q, and 8-K that we file with the SEC, as well as our press releases that we issue from time to time. I will now turn the call over to Brad Veazey, Executive Chairman, to provide an overview of RCM's operating performance during the third quarter.
spk07: Thanks, Kevin. Good morning, everyone. Our SCIM delivered continued strong performance in our seasonally weak third quarter. I am proud of the team's execution. Our results demonstrate the leverageability of our team's business model driven by our unwavering commitment to delivering value for our world-class client base. During the quarter, strong performance was demonstrated across each division. Our life sciences and IT group bolstered its RPO offering with the addition of Talent Herder. I will speak more about the acquisition in a moment. Turning to our engineering team, each of our business units delivered solid performance and I'm excited about the traction we are gaining across several new business initiatives. Lastly, our healthcare services team continues to expand its presence across the K-12 end market with the addition of several strategic accounts. Kevin will cover our financial performance in more detail. but I want to share several financial and operational highlights from the quarter. RCM generated third quarter revenue of $58 million, a 28% increase year over year after adjusting to the power systems Canada sale. As for profitability, RCM generated adjusted EBITDA of $4.8 million in Q3, representing growth of approximately 162% on a year over year basis. On the operational front, there were several highlights worth calling out in more detail. First, as previously mentioned, our life sciences and IT group recently acquired Talent Herder, a leading talent services acquisition company. Talent Herder will bolster RCM's existing RPO capabilities by expanding candidate reach, extending alternative service models to our current base, and providing proven methods to new clients, responding to a changing employment landscape at incredibly competitive rates. Talent Herder's proven recruitment processes can help scale both in-person and remote working environments for companies across the globe. We are excited about the growth opportunities Talent Herder presents to our clients and staff. Over the near term, the focus remains on the seamless integration of the Talent Herder team. We are integrating the recruiting groups in addition to gaining leverage from our acquired offshore sourcing staff and we have already identified several new opportunities through our joint sales efforts. I look forward to sharing more updates on our progress in future calls. On the engineering front, I'm excited to announce the grand opening of our Innovation Center at Thermal Kinetics. The implementation of this state-of-the-art facility complements our team's existing equipment capabilities and enables our engineers to develop new processes alongside our customers. For many process applications, the ability to run a small-scale version of a system yields the required empirical data to design and de-risk the process successfully. This go-to-market approach will be essential as we scale up initiatives across select emerging technologies in which we have the necessary expertise, including sustainable aviation fuels. With an estimated $40 to $50 billion in SAF investment planned through 2025 and a further $1 trillion required by 2040, we believe there will be robust demand for identifying ways to scale supply cost effectively. Our test center has a strategic role to play, and it will be a powerful tool as we position ourselves to become the go-to partner for clients looking to scale emerging process technologies in the future. Fitting to our healthcare services group, the team continues to excel amidst the ever-changing healthcare landscape. The industry's issues are structural and will not be solved over the near term. COVID-19 has caused many healthcare professionals in the US to reconsider their plans. For example, in a recent survey by McKinsey, 29% of RNs in the US said they were likely to leave their current role in direct patient care. Many respondents indicated they were considering leaving the workforce entirely. The bottom line. The U.S. health sector is facing a substantial talent shortfall, with several studies estimating that by 2025, there may be a supply-demand imbalance of 200,000 to 450,000 nurses. We have the expertise to help close this gap for our clients, as it will require a combination of innovation and robust execution that comes from decades of service committed to this head market. Thankfully, these are two of RCM's healthcare's greatest attributes. We believe our SIEM healthcare will play an important role in addressing this structural deficiency, most prominently in our core education and market where our experience and scale is unrivaled. Our team is leveraging technology to take a more analytical, data-driven approach to resource allocation. This focus has enabled us to engage with our clients more strategically by providing tailored holistic solutions according to their needs. as opposed to the non-scalable practices of yesteryear that focused on placing individuals on an ad hoc basis. We are confident this model will lead to a more sustained value creation for our customers and a more defensible economic moat for RCM. Finally, I would like to take a minute to express appreciation to our shareholders on behalf of RCM and its employees. I have spent nearly my entire career helping publicly traded companies realize their potential. I cannot recall a more supportive, constructively engaged group. I know a substantial portion of you are long-term shareholders, more than one-third of which are current and prior RCM employees. Your support is one of many latent assets at RCM. Your commitment has allowed us to retire over 25% of the company's shares outstanding since the summer of 2020 while investing heavily in the company's future. We are committed to further rewarding your support with a scalable platform and clean balance sheet to compound value to all stakeholders for years to come. In closing, as our clients grapple with the realities of scaling their businesses in a talent-starved, increasingly technology-driven world, our expanding suite of cross-functional capabilities and technical expertise have positioned RCN as the de facto platform of choice when searching for solutions. I remain optimistic about the company's future as we have many exciting initiatives underway. I will now turn the call back to Kevin to discuss the Q3 2022 financial results in more detail.
spk01: Thank you, Brad. Regarding our consolidated results, revenue for the third quarter was 58.2 million, growing by 12.7 million on a year-over-year basis. Adjusted EBITDA in Q3 2022 was 4.8 million. representing an approximately 3 million increase on a year-over-year basis. RCM generated gross profit of $17.4 million during the quarter, a 42% year-over-year increase. Turning to our healthcare segment, the group generated revenue of $28 million in Q3 2022, which represents a 43% increase year-over-year. The team continues to make great progress within the K-12 market and has expanded its footprint with the onboarding of several new accounts. The opportunities across behavioral health and special education remain robust, and the team is positioned to take advantage. Turning to our life sciences and information technology segment, as Brad mentioned, the team's integration efforts regarding the talent herder acquisition are going very well, and the execution across each of the remaining practice groups has not missed a beat. In terms of revenue, we generated $9.2 million in Q2 2022, which is essentially flat with Q3 2021. From a profitability standpoint, the group's gross margin profile increased by 200 basis points as the team transitioned the business model to a more leverageable managed service contract profile. And finally, regarding our engineering segment, after adjusting for the sale of our Canada Power Systems office in Q3 2021, Our engineering Q3-22 revenues of 20.9 million grew by 31% as compared to adjusted Q3-21 engineering revenue of 16 million. The performance was broad-based across each of the divisions, and the team is doing an excellent job of expanding into adjacent service offerings that leverage each unit's diverse skill sets. As we migrate through the fourth quarter, we remain confident that we will finish the year strong and enter 2023 in stride. We are in a strong position financially to be opportunistic across each of our segments, and we are excited about 2023 as our teams continue to execute throughout the organization. This concludes our prepared remarks.
spk04: At this time, we will open the call for questions.
spk03: All right, ladies and gentlemen, at this time, if you have a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad.
spk04: Again, that's star one on your telephone keypad.
spk03: And first up, it looks like we have Bill Sutherland of Benchmark Company. Your line is now open.
spk05: Hello, Bill. Thank you. Thank you. Good morning, guys. A couple of questions on health care. Kevin, what was the mix between education and
spk00: I should have that in front of me, but I don't.
spk05: So let me get it for you as you... While you're looking for Brad, I was thinking about your comment about healthcare and leveraging technology for the clients. Can you give us a little color on what's involved there?
spk07: Yeah, so the first wave of our investment is going to be focused upon driving productivity of our recruitment resources. As you've probably read, Bill, I know you follow the industry pretty closely. There's no shortage of needs out there, really. It's just a matter of making sure you're able to connect the dots between the resources that are out there and the needs that exist. So inevitably, we think that driving productivity of our recruitment
spk04: resources could potentially unlock quite a bit of upside for us.
spk01: So, Bill, just to answer your first question, our school revenue was $16.6 million and our non-school revenue was $10.4.
spk05: And the seasonality played out about as you expected, Kevin?
spk04: Pretty much, yes.
spk05: Okay. The gross margin, was that a mixed benefit?
spk01: was strong in healthcare. Yeah, it's a combination of things. It's mixed. It's, you know, a robust market, you know, robust demand. You know, it's, you know, if you sort of look out to the future, I would tell you that Q3 is probably a little bit, you know, on the high side compared to what we probably expect to see in the substantially higher than what we expect to see.
spk05: Okay. And then I guess last, Brad, as you look at your opportunities for capital deployment, do you rank order or is it – or tell me how you're thinking about that. Thanks.
spk07: Well, I would normally refer to our stock response, but You could probably guess what is towards the top of the rank order. But look, we've been pretty judicious in our approach so far. We'll continue to do so. The good news is we have multiple teams that we have a very high level of confidence in and are excited to put capital behind. Um, so, you know, we're at a point where, you know, there's, uh, there isn't the shortage or opportunities for which, for us to benchmark returns against to deploy capital. So, um, you know, where ultimately it ends up, whether it be in the form of, um, you know, organic investment, both on acquisitions or, uh, share buybacks, um, you know, again, this is something that's, uh, we review regularly and can change, uh, very quickly. but we're in a good spot with what we believe is a healthy earnings power, a clean balance sheet, and, again, a very talented group of individuals to get behind.
spk05: Actually, I meant to ask, did you guys provide any detail on Talent Herder in terms of the financial impact?
spk01: We have not, you know, but there is an AK filing on it. Yep.
spk05: All right. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.
spk03: All right. Next up, we have Alex Reigeel of V. Reilly. Your line is now open.
spk06: Hi, Alex.
spk03: Morning, guys.
spk06: Very nice quarter. Following up on that talent herder question, I did notice in the 8K that you paid, I think, around $4 million in cash for that acquisition. Can you talk a little bit about maybe what the revenue contribution could be If not, maybe talk about what your traditional acquisition purchase multiples generally are targeted in a range of.
spk01: So if you want to talk about multiples, I would say somewhere between four times and eight times is a typical range for us. You know, when we do deals, if someone's getting to 8X, it's probably because they're performing really well. you know, during the earn-out period. So we're happy to pay eight times, you know, if we can, you know, because that just means that they've delivered outstanding performance. You know, we focus on companies that we think have, you know, sort of a low floor in terms of performance post-closing, but also, you know, potentially have some good synergies and we can really drive a lot of growth. In the case of Talent Herder, it's a really good fit for us in terms of, you know, what we're seeing in the market and mapping that against the outstanding team that we acquired.
spk06: And when you think about Talent Herder, can you talk a little bit about sort of the revenue growth expectations that you or opportunity that you see over the next couple of years and what the margin profile of that business is compared to yours?
spk01: Well, the margin profile is quite high. You know, you're probably looking at like a 30%, you know, operating margin, you know, on that business, which is pretty typical in the RPO space. So it certainly will be accretive to our margins. But, you know, this is something, you know, we're small players in the RPO business today, but we have tremendous aspirations in terms of being a major player in that space. We think the team that we brought on has the capability to really, you know, combine with RCM resources and our sales team and everything that we bring to the table. We believe we can become a fairly prominent player in that space over time.
spk06: That's great. And then, Brad, you mentioned in the healthcare space you had several new strategic accounts. Can you expand upon that a bit?
spk07: Yeah, so I would think of them as being in our core education and market, you know, really as we continue to diversify that base. And most importantly is, you know, there are accounts that we think that, you know, in aggregate are, you know, certainly accretive over the near term, but have opportunity to grow materially from where they are today. So really our K through 12 initiative is, is, really starting to gain its footing. And, you know, we're really starting to build our presence throughout the country.
spk01: I would say, Alex, if you compared our school business to, say, three or four years ago, we have tripled the number of clients easily today. You know, and we feel like we have just a lot of momentum to add a lot more In addition to the bricks and mortar schools, we're also making some pretty good inroads with some large virtual school systems as well, which is really exciting because we can service those schools from anywhere in the country. We're not restricted to finding regional talent where the schools are. We can have somebody in Idaho providing services for a virtual school system. So we're really excited about expanding that. We think that That portion of the business is still a little small today, but from our perspective, it has huge potential to grow really fast.
spk06: And then lastly, the revenue in the healthcare business was up 42% year over year.
spk04: What dynamics are at play that would either increase or decrease that number in the fourth quarter? In terms of the fourth quarter versus the third quarter?
spk06: Fourth quarter of this year versus fourth quarter of last year.
spk01: Sure. Well, the major dynamic is the demand is still off the charts. I mean, the demand for our services is fantastic, right? You know, we have a lot more school clients. you know, this year than we did last year. We have deeper penetration into some of our non-school clients. We've added some new school clients. You know, obviously, the transition of COVID from, you know, pandemic to endemic will have a little bit of a headwind for the fourth quarter, you know, compared to the fourth quarter of last year. But, you know, everything else is going fantastic. I mean, we're just – we're crushing – just about every area in healthcare. I would say the only impediment to continuing to grow the healthcare, and obviously we're not just focused on the fourth quarter, we're focused on 2023 and 2024, I would say the biggest headwind is obviously getting the people right. It's an incredibly competitive market to find the people. But our healthcare group is just performing exceptionally well with regard to finding people for our clients. We'll probably never be able to find enough, right? Because we can pretty much place every quality provider that we find, but they're doing a great job.
spk04: Very helpful. Thank you very much. All right.
spk03: Next up in queue, we have Frank Kelly, a private investor. Your line is now open.
spk02: Good morning, gentlemen. What a great quarter and compliments to the entire team that pulled that together. I have a couple of questions. One, Brad, I'll actually start out with a thank you for Brad for acknowledging the long term significant shareholders that are out there that are kind of hanging on and growing with the company and being patient at that. The second, I know, Brad, you discussed a little bit about capital expenditures and whatnot, the capital program. You talked about organic investment. We talked about buybacks. But what was obviously missing was the addressing of rewarding those shareholders with some sort of return. Is that in the mix? It was noted as missing in your response earlier.
spk07: Yeah, no. Third question, Frank. Look, I mean, having fought back 25% of the company at this point, I think to the extent that we do introduce a dividend one day, it's reoccurring, and we're able to continue to grow EBITDA and shrink share count The good news is the dividend's likely to be much bigger when you get it. So, you know, as long as we continue to see opportunities with the return profile that we see and, you know, we continue to generate extraordinary returns on capital, I think I mentioned earlier, I think we're, you know, we're in that 50% range at this point. You know, Frank, historically, in my... investment career. Anytime I found teams that were able to put up numbers like that, I wanted them to keep the capital and potentially add to it. Though we are pretty active with respect to retiring shares, a dividend in the very near future isn't really on the dashboard. But look, that could always change. And, you know, again, we talk about it regularly.
spk02: Great. Yeah, I just noticed, I guess, come December, it's been five years since there's been actually any direct return. Obviously, buybacks do affect the price, but an actual return to the shareholders. So, if we could just, you know, in the future, keep that in mind, that would be great. And it sounds like you're doing that. Kevin, I guess on the financial side, looking at SG&A Q over Q, and it's not much undifferent for year over year, I see a 21% increase in SG&A versus a revenue increase of 27%. So I just, at least in the Q and to some degree in the year over year, the SG&A seems to be growing significantly higher as a percentage than would be expected for that kind of revenue growth. Could you shed some light on that?
spk00: You left out the EBITDA growth. Don't we have to throw that into the mix?
spk02: No, I think just looking at pure SG&A, I know there's a lot buried in there, and not only that, but in the older Q, there were some higher interest numbers, right, for interest payments, which run through there as well, that are not necessarily at the same number that are in the current queue.
spk01: Sure. Well, the interest is down because the debt is down, but interest is not included in SG&A. But anyway, I was just needling you a little bit. I think I can do that. But at any rate, no, look, the bottom line for us, Frank, is, and you know as well, is we're incredibly mindful of every dollar that we spend on SG&A. However, I will say this, when we look across our businesses, all of them, we see incredible opportunities. Every single business is in a market that is exploding. Okay, so we are happy to continue to wisely invest SG&A because we know that, you know, and every decision that we make, obviously, on the SG&A front is not going to turn out, you know, the way we expect it to. But most of them do and most of them have. And, you know, we need to continue to invest in SG&A, frankly, to keep growing the company. We're not interested in being a $30 million EBITDA company for very long. Brad and I want to get this to $100 million in EBITDA, and we're not going to do that without increasing SG&A. Simply, we have to increase SG&A to make more money and to drive more EBITDA and to drive the stock price. Now, we have to do it wisely, but we absolutely have to invest in SG&A to grow the company. And I think if we look at this company historically, that's an area where we've made some mistakes, where we've been hesitant to make investments. And part of our performance in the past is a result of not investing in SG&A. And just to give you a really easy example to understand, and you know this company really well, but obviously other people are listening. you know, we will hire every single recruiter, qualified recruiter that we could find, period. If you came to me with 50 recruiters that I could hire tomorrow, I'd hire them, period. You know, and I'm not going to worry about the SG&A increase because I know that, you know, if I hire 50 recruiters, 40 of them are going to work out really, really well, and we're going to get an outstanding return on those 40 recruiters. And when you look out to The investment front, we're continually looking about how we can drive efficiencies in the business through technology. Well, that's going to take short-term investment to get a long-term return, and that's something we're going to continue to do. But be aware that we are very mindful of every dollar that we spend.
spk02: Yeah, well, that's certainly encouraging to hear. I guess one of the concerns I had was, the growth rate of SG&A in this past quarter versus the revenue growth rate? Because they're, you know, you'd like to think, yes, yes, we're investing, but, you know, a 21 versus 27, 27 REV, maybe close to 28 REV increase in the SG&A at 21%.
spk01: Sure, but you're also looking, you know, you really ought to be looking at it on a year-to-date basis because, you know, Q3, SG&A has a lot of fixed cost in it, and we have a lot of seasonal variability in the revenue and gross profit in Q3, as you know. So, you know, if you're going to go through that exercise and look at the growth in SG&A, compare it to the growth in revenue, you've got to do it on a year-over-year basis.
spk07: I might disagree with both of you. Kevin, what was the operating margin increase year-over-year? 600 basis points, 700 basis points? Yes. So, Frank, as long as we can increase operating margin at a clip anywhere near that, we are going to pour on SG&A.
spk04: And I think you're going to like the outcome. Okay.
spk02: Yeah, because we do see, to Kevin's point, a 54% increase year-over-year on revenue and a 33% increase in the SG&A. So I guess, and sometimes obviously you have to drill down into, you know, specifics of the SG&A and what's in there. But it's something certainly that, you know, as long as it's being monitored historically, you know, we need to do that.
spk07: Appreciate, you know, definitely appreciate the feedback. And you've always been a great thought partner on a couple topics, this being one of them, Frank. Thank you.
spk02: Great. Thank you, gentlemen. Again, great quarter, and certainly without the seasonality anomaly in the third quarter, we're hopefully looking at an absolutely outstanding fourth cue.
spk03: All right. I just wanted to remind participants they could join the cue by pressing star 1 on their telephone keypad. Again, that's star 1 on your telephone keypad for any questions.
spk04: At this time, I'm seeing no further questions in queue. Thank you for attending RCN's third quarter conference call. We look forward to our next update in 2023. All right, ladies and gentlemen, it looks like that concludes your call. You may now disconnect your lines, and thank you again for joining us today.
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