REE Automotive Ltd.

Q1 2023 Earnings Conference Call


spk08: Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the re-automotive first quarter 2023 earnings conference call. At this time all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speaker's presentation there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session you'll need to press star 1 1 on your telephone and you will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question please press star 1 1 again. Please be advised today's conference is being recorded. I'd now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Kamal Hamid, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
spk06: Thank you, Operator, and thank you all for joining our first quarter 2023 conference call. We hope that you have seen our press release and shareholder letter issued earlier this morning at Today, our co-founder and CEO, Daniel Burrell, will be sharing highlights from the shareholder letter before opening up the call to Q&A where he will be joined by our Chief Financial Officer, Jeroen Zaltzman, our Chief Business Officer, Tally Miller, and Josh Peck, our Chief Operating Officer. I would like to remind you that today's call may include forward-looking statements. Any statements describing our beliefs, goals, plans, strategies, expectations, projections, forecasts, and assumptions are forward-looking statements. Please note that the company's actual results may be different from other anticipated by such forward-looking statements for a variety of reasons, many of which are beyond our control. Please refer to the company's form 20F filed on March 28, 2023 with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which identifies principal risks and uncertainties that could affect our business, prospects, and future results. We assume no obligation to publicly update any forward-looking statements except as required by law. In addition, we will be discussing or providing certain non-GAAP financial measures today, including non-GAAP net loss and non-GAAP operating expenses. Please see our shareholder letter for a reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures. At this point, I will turn the call over to Daniel. Thanks, Kamal.
spk01: Hello, everybody, and thank you for joining us today. I hope that you have seen our press release and shareholder letter issued earlier this morning at If you haven't yet, I encourage you to review it, as it has additional information on the topic that we will discuss on this call today. I'm pleased to share that 2023 has gotten off to a great start for reautomotives. Our first quarter afforded us several exciting opportunities at events like World Truck Week and ACT Expo, where we were able to interact with influential fleets and dealers, understand their key challenges and showcase unique value proposition. Our team was also able to achieve important milestones like the completion of our winter testing in Sweden, another considerable step on our journey to getting RE vehicles on the road. Our focus remains on our path to certification by the second half of 2023, with initial pilot vehicle delivery by the end of 2023. And we continue to make great progress here. We are working on a two-phase production plan that will allow us to achieve sustainable growth Phase one, which is expected to run through 2024, anticipates the pilot production and assembly of vehicles in the low hundreds, targeting break-even gross margin on the unit level by the end of 2024. Phase two targets production in the low to mid thousands of vehicles with break-even EBITDA by the end of year 2025. More details on our two-phase production plan can be found in our shareholder letter. As you may have seen, we recently announced the introduction of the P7C chassis cap, which complements our existing product lineup and further emphasizes our near-term focus on zero-emission class 3 to 5 vehicles. The P7C targets the fast-growing and highly incentivized Class IV EV market, and joins our P7B, the box truck, and P7S, the street chassis, in the P7 program. We expect significant demand for zero-emission Class III to V vehicles to be driven by the recently adopted California Advanced Clean Fleet Regulations, the ACF, which sets ambitious targets for commercial fleets to pursue zero-emission trucks. The 2020 MOU signed by 15 states and the District of Columbia is expected to expand the benefits and reach of the ACF throughout the U.S., further driving the commercial EV market. Interest in the P7 program increased, as proven by the growth of our dealer network in the U.S., which now includes eight dealers and three fleet customers. Together, these dealers have already placed initial orders of approximately 100 vehicles, which are included in our current order book. From a financial perspective, we ended the quarter with liquidity of $126 million, comprised of cash, cash equivalents, and short-term investment, and no debt. We expect to end the year with $65 million of liquidity, including financing the initial 25 vehicles for internal testing and pilot deliveries for selected customers. We expect to generate sufficient orders to ramp up series production based on our growing dealer network and fleet customers. We understand that this ramp-up to the low to mid-thousands of vehicles produced will require additional funding before we reach break-even EBITDA, mainly due to the working capital requirements. We estimate that this ramp-up will require $80 to $100 million, and we will explore options of raising debt or equity in the right form, all in line with the progress of our business cycle and needs. We will provide more color on our model later this year with the progress of our plan. Before we open it up for questions, I want to first of all remind you to take a look at the shareholder letter which we shared this morning, which talks to all of these highlights in more detail. You can access it on our investor website at I would also like to take this opportunity and thank the REIT team across the globe for their continued hard work and dedication, particularly for the milestone they have already achieved this year. I look forward to sharing more of the great work we have accomplished together in future updates. Operator, please open up the call for questions.
spk08: Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you'll need to press star 1 and 1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. And to withdraw your question, please press star 1 and 1 again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Thank you. We'll now take our first question. Please stand by. First question is from the line of Mike Schliske from DA Davidson. Please go ahead.
spk03: Hello, good morning, and thanks for taking my question. I guess I just wanted to ask quickly, Daniel, about your last comment there about potentially curing some more capital for production as things ramp up. I guess I'd be curious, you're weighing debt, you're weighing equity. I guess I was wondering, do you expect to have orders first before you go to raise the capital? Because that would make debt a lot easier for, or do you need to... to raise money before you have any orders to kind of keep the operation going just before you start the heavier production.
spk02: Hi, good morning. It's Yaron here. So I think for us it's a little bit too early to make a decision about what to do first, right? So basically speaking, We know we have access both to equity and probably also of raising debt even today because we are quite sure that we can achieve our goals here. We'll explore it over time based on the coming months, and then we can make a decision. But for now, it's too early for us to make that direct call what we are going to do if it's equity or if it's credit.
spk03: Okay, okay. And just a quick product question. You mentioned winter testing, and that was over in Sweden. I guess from that point, what is left to do to ensure that we have a road-ready vehicle for anyone to purchase and drive? Is there anything major left to do, or is it going to be a sales event from that point on?
spk01: Josh, do you want to take this one?
spk07: Yes, I'll take that. No problem. So yeah, what we plan on doing is this year, I mean, the winter test was a milestone for base calibration, but we will continue to, this year we're still on track for completing certification activities. So we will be building our homologation vehicles ready for Q3, and that will allow us to complete all those related activities to be homologated and certified for by the end of the year. So we do not see any roadblocks there at the moment.
spk03: And that's all three major P7 products? one of them no that's that's correct that's that's uh that's the uh the uh p7d the p7c and of course the strip chassis for the for the class 5 walking van okay got it and then one last one for me um can you maybe update us on the status of uh the sort of readiness to produce in both coventry and austin i'm curious if one's way ahead of the other or if also just waiting to have that large organ start building within the U.S. at this point.
spk07: So what we do, we plan, I mean, 2024 production is expected to be, as we said, in the low hundreds. And we're going to initially do that from Coventry. And that's intentional, of course. And then during 24, we'll plan to build out the U.S. production capacity across the board.
spk03: Okay. I'll leave it there. Thanks so much for the comment. I appreciate it.
spk08: Thank you. We'll now take our next question. Please stand by. This is from the line of Colin Langan from Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.
spk09: Oh, great. Thanks for taking my question. Last quarter, you talked about you had enough cash to sort of launch the P7. What's changed in the last few months that now you need to raise 80 to 100 million in capital?
spk02: Hi. It's Joe. I'm here again. So actually nothing changed, right? So basically, if you look at our projection for the end of the year, in the coming three quarters, we are going to spend roughly $20 million per quarter. Part of it is because we still need to invest in the NRE. The question is what we're going to, and we are also going to have like 25 first vehicles. The question is how to work in the coming two years afterwards because we are going to ramp up. And for us, in order to ramp up, it's always a working capital issue because there's always a time gap between the time we are paying to the time that we are getting the money from the customer. So for that, it's the plan to raise money. So if there was no working capital issue, probably the answer would be that we don't need to raise 80 to 100. But based on our coin plan for the next two years, I think we need to be here a little bit to take another step and to make sure that we have enough capital not to have any working capital issue in the coming two years.
spk09: Got it. And just maybe this is an obvious question, but does this affect your accounting opinion? Because you're saying you need to raise capital. I think liquidity is one of those things that they sometimes flag. Will there be? Does it affect your audit opinion that you need to raise capital? Or is this, since it's so far out, it's not going to be an issue, just so we could know what to expect?
spk02: So the question is why we are mentioning 80 to 100. Can you repeat the question again?
spk09: Does it affect your accounting, you know, the auditor's opinion of your financials? There's like a going concern, I believe is sometimes what they refer to it as, if you need to raise capital. But it sounds like maybe this is next year, so that would be an issue.
spk02: Yeah, so for now, you see, we do not have any going concern paragraph in our report. But, again, we need to explore it on a quarterly basis, right? So for now, we don't have any going concern issue.
spk09: Got it. Okay. And then just lastly, so you have 76 orders now. How should we think about those coming in? Because I remember last year, I think you had a big event in July. Are those still potentially coming in? Are the new events going to drive new orders? How should we think about the cadence of the orders from here?
spk05: Thanks.
spk00: Hi, this is Tally speaking. Good morning. So with respect to how do we see our order book growing, I can say that we believe that the existing customer's potential is very significant. We're constantly growing carefully and with a selected customer base and prioritizing those with significant market share, especially those that are committed to electrification. And we expect to continue to build our authorized dealer network from the growing pipeline of dealers.
spk09: Okay. All right. Thanks for taking my questions.
spk00: Yeah. And actually, maybe to complete that, although we don't have a formal number, I can tell you that with the conversations held with our dealers, the indicative sales of magnitude of 50,000 vehicles per year and generating over a billion dollars.
spk08: Thank you. We'll now take our next question. Please stand by. This is from the line of Jeff Osborne from TD Cowan. Please go ahead.
spk04: Good morning. A couple of questions on my end. I was curious on the phase one and two. Is all of the phase one in 2024 expected to be produced for final assembly in Coventry Can you give us an update on how Austin is progressing?
spk07: Hey, this is Josh again. I'll take that one. At the moment, again, we're going to focus on those deliveries from the UK. I mean, we have the infrastructure and everything set up there. And as we build out our U.S. structure over 24, we'll make a logical decision when we make that break point. But either way, let's be honest, either way, we're going to ensure that we get the vehicles at the right time to the customers as needed.
spk04: Got it. And then, Josh, as you get into the thousands, would phase two be done in Austin, or would that be done at a partner's location? I thought that was one of the angles that you had.
spk07: Yeah, keep in mind, our approach is always the CapEx flight approach. It's part of how we differentiate ourselves from other, let's say, other manufacturers, right? Our approach is always to build the vehicle besides the corner, obviously, with partners.
spk04: Got it. And then what is the remaining, you mentioned the $20 million of burn. Should the R&D be at the similar levels to Q1 for the rest of the year? And can you touch on what the remaining CapEx is for your CapEx Lite approach that you have?
spk02: So this year, the $20 million per quarter athletes, of course, included heavy R&D, but lower than R&D that we have already until now. Next year, of course, we still have an R&D because we want to explore other opportunities. But the major R&D investments already have been taking place in our report.
spk04: Got it. It might be an unfair question just because the news was yesterday, but I think the loan that your battery partner, Microvast, received from the DOE was pulled. And so I was just curious, does your relationship or contract with them you know, involve domestic manufacturing that might be at risk, and do you have a backup plan if so?
spk01: Yeah, Daniel. I think that we still, you know, it just happened yesterday. There's a lot of discussions to be made. Currently, we don't see any risk to the supply chain at this point or to the deliveries.
spk04: But none of your potential customers or dealers are expecting an American-made battery. Is that a safe assumption, as well as my understanding for the credits, you don't need that?
spk01: Yeah. I think you should differentiate between the short term of the few of the low hundreds in 2024, which are test fleets, as to the ramp up of the low to mid thousands of 2025, which is the follow-up deployment. So for the test fleets, there are more flexibility in terms of sourcing and design, naturally. Remember, we keep the voice of the customer very close to us. So you can expect that once we deliver test fleet to customers, they would want to test it. It will be, as we said earlier in previous calls, we are – deploying product teams together with the test fleet to the customers to work together with them side by side and evaluate and help them to explore the vehicle better. So naturally, also we would take into account the voice of the customer. But as I said to your question, it's too early to tell.
spk04: I understand. That's all I have. Thank you.
spk05: Thank you.
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spk05: There are no further questions coming through at this time, so I'll hand back to the speakers. Thank you all for joining us today, and feel free to reach out if you have any follow-up questions or would like to speak with management. Thanks again.
spk08: Thank you. This does conclude today's conference call. Thank you for participating, and you may now disconnect. Speakers, please stand by.

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