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Operator
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Greetings, and welcome to the Regency Centers Corporation First Quarter 2024 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Christy McElroy, Senior Vice President, Capital Markets, Thank you. You may begin.
Christy McElroy
Senior Vice President, Capital Markets
Good morning, and welcome to Regency Center's first quarter 2024 earnings conference call. Joining me today are Lisa Palmer, President and Chief Executive Officer, Mike Moss, Chief Financial Officer, Alan Roth, East Region President and Chief Operating Officer, and Nick Wibbenmeyer, West Region President and Chief Investment Officer. As a reminder, today's discussion may contain forward-looking statements about the company's views of future business and financial performance, including forward earnings guidance and future market conditions. They are based on management's current beliefs and expectations and are subject to various risks and uncertainties. It's possible that actual results may differ materially from those suggested by these forward-looking statements we may make. Factors and risks that could cause actual results to differ materially from these statements may be included in our presentation today and are described in more detail in our filings with the SEC, specifically our most recent Form 10-K and 10-Q filings. In our discussion today, we will also reference certain non-GAAP financial measures. The comparable GAAP financial measures are included in this quarter's earnings materials, which are posted on our investor relations website. Please note that we have also posted a presentation on our website with additional information, including disclosures related to forward earnings guidance. Our caution on forward-looking statements also applies to these presentation materials. Lisa?
Lisa Palmer
President and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you, Christy, and good morning, everyone. We had another really solid quarter. in line with our expectations and driven by a continuation of very healthy leasing fundamentals. Robust tenant demand is driving significant leasing activity across all of our shopping centers, and this is evident in an even higher percent lease rate and strong rent growth. With this robust demand and activity, we are poised to accelerate growth into 2025. As you will hear more from Alan, we are having great success quickly releasing space and I will note some of which we've intentionally recaptured, with upgraded merchandising of leading operators and at higher rents. As a result, our pipeline of executed leases is larger than it's ever been, and we look forward to these tenants coming online, propelling our future growth. I'm also really excited about the progress our team has made executing on our value creation pipeline. Sustained development activity over the long term, which creates value and enhances growth, is an important part of our business and is a differentiator for Regency in our sector today. The strength of our platform provides us an unequaled strategic advantage. Our talented and experienced national development team, our relationships with top grocers and retailers, and ready access to capital all are enabling strong execution on an impressive lineup of great in-process projects and continued growth in our pipeline of opportunities. As you'll hear from Nick, following our impressive execution in 2023, with over $250 million of development and redevelopment starts, we expect to drive a similar level of success this year. The benefits from this ramp up in activity will continue to grow as NOI comes online in 2025 and beyond. Importantly, the strength of our balance sheet And our liquidity position is what provides Regency with the ability to sustain a meaningful value creation pipeline through cycles, to remain opportunistic in our capital allocation strategy, and to consistently grow our dividend. And we are really gratified to see this position of strength acknowledged by Moody's with a credit rating upgrade to A3, which occurred in February. We are currently the only REIT in the open-air shopping center sector with an A rating, and and we are already seeing the benefits in our relative bond market pricing further supporting our cost of capital advantage. This is a big accomplishment and a direct result of our team's consistent track record of operational excellence and balance sheet strength over the long term. It's a reflection of what I speak to often, which is what we believe to be Regency's unique and unparalleled combination of strategic advantages that differentiates us from our peers and allows us to drive above average earnings per share, dividend, and free cash flow growth. It's the favorable attributes of our portfolio, including quality tenants and merchandising mix, format, and trade area demographics, driving rent growth and durability of occupancy. It's the expertise of our people and the strength of our operating platform. It's our ability to create value through development and redevelopment consistently over time. It's the strength of our balance sheet, and it's our commitment to corporate responsibility and stakeholder stewardship. High-quality suburban shopping centers, especially with the particular strength of our portfolio and the trade areas in which we operate, will continue to benefit from structural tailwinds that support continued excellent performance and long-term growth of our business. Alan?
Alan Roth
East Region President and Chief Operating Officer
Thank you, Lisa, and good morning, everyone. We had another great quarter of leasing activity in Q1, as tenant demand for our centers remains very strong. The tremendous appetite for space that we saw in 2023 has continued unabated, enabling our team to achieve both higher rents and push our lease rate to even higher levels. We are executing leases with high quality tenants, further improving upon the strength of our merchandising and creating value at our centers. Our same property percent lease rate increased by another 20 basis points this quarter to 95.8%. This is especially impressive given the significant anchor move outs that I discussed on last quarter's call, which I'll come back to in a moment, coupled with the seasonality of higher move outs we historically experienced in the first quarter. Our shop lease rate was up 10 basis points sequentially in the first quarter, reaching yet another new record high for shops of 93.5%. Base rent growth in 2024 is benefiting from shop commencement activity given our record year of lease up in 2023. You'll recall that a quarter ago, we discussed an expected decline in our commenced occupancy rate in the first quarter, driven by anchor move outs. Consistent with our plan, while our lease rate has moved even higher, Our same property commenced rate ended the first quarter, down 70 basis points from year end. Roughly half of this decline was attributable to the intentional recapture of a Walmart store in Norwalk, Connecticut. Some of you were with us on a recent tour of the property, seeing firsthand this great opportunity to create value from an anchor tenant lease expiration in an exceptional location. We will experience some downtime impact while the space is built out and the center undergoes a transformative redevelopment, but the new lease with target has already been executed with significant accretion. This is just one example of similar scenarios within the portfolio. On the surface, this disconnect between lease occupancy and rent paying occupancy would appear counterintuitive, but the strength in the leasing environment coupled with our deliberate approach to asset management is enabling us to take advantage of these accretive opportunities quickly, and in many cases, before the tenant vacates. We are re-merchandising with upgraded stores and at higher rents, improving and growing the long-term value of our centers, and we look forward to getting these new anchors open for business in the coming months. As we've replenished this vacating space with new leases, our pipeline of executed leases has grown. We stand today with a 370 basis point delta between our same property leased and commenced occupancy rates, which is an all-time high for us, reflecting an incremental $50 million of annual base rent that will be very rewarding as these leases commence within our operating portfolio. Beyond what's already baked, we have another 1.4 million square feet of space under letter of intent or in negotiation with consistent demand across the portfolio from a wide variety of categories, including grocers, restaurants, health and wellness, off-price, and personal services. Cash-releasing spreads in the first quarter were more than 8% on a blended basis, including the highest spread for renewals that we've seen since 2019, an indication of our ability to increase rents further as occupancy rises and available space is limited, a reflection of the strong demand in today's environment. Both gap and net effective rent spreads were in the mid-teens this quarter, given strength in contractual rent steps in the majority of our leases and our prudent use of leasing capital. Our team across the country is energized by the unwavering strength in leasing activity we are seeing, supported by a limited supply of high-quality retail space available and a surplus of great retailers actively looking to expand. We look forward to harvesting the benefits of our record-high S&O pipeline, getting those tenants open and operating, and continuing to move the occupancy needle higher in the months ahead. Nick?
Nick Wibbenmeyer
West Region President and Chief Investment Officer
Thank you, Alan. Good morning, everyone. Motivated by our tremendous success in 2023, including the start of more than $250 million of new projects, our team remains very active, both executing and growing our development and redevelopment pipelines. Among our first quarter starts was the shaft at Stonebridge in Cheshire, Connecticut. This $67 million ground-up development will be anchored by Whole Foods as well as TJ Maxx, and while we just broke ground last month, we are already seeing significant leasing demand. The project serves as the retail component of a new master plan community, a format with which we've had great success over the years. We recognize the mutual benefits and value that these relationships with master plan developers can provide for our shopping centers as well as the communities they serve. In addition to new starts, we continue to make great progress executing on our in-process pipeline and bringing NOI online. In total, we now have more than a half a billion dollars in process, which is nearly 90% leased with blended returns of 9%. And in 2024, we plan to complete over $200 million of these projects. Some examples of this tremendous progress are several exciting recent anchor openings that are worthy of highlighting. At our Glenwood Green ground-up development in Old Bridge, New Jersey, Both Target and ShopRite celebrated successful grand openings last month, and the project is now nearly 95% leased. Exciting shop tenants opening soon include HoneyGrow, Duck Donuts, and Playa Bowls. At West Bard Square in Bethesda, the new giant grocery store opened in January, and rent will start commencing from the shop space over the coming months, including tenants such as Tate, Stretch Zone, Silver & Sons BBQ, and Oak Barrel & Dine. Turning to the private transactions market, although data points and deal volumes remain below historical norms. We are seeing increased activity in deeper bidding pools in the marketplace, and cap rates remain low. The implications of the recent move in treasuries remains to be seen, but our team is actively underwriting acquisition opportunities that fit within our portfolio quality, growth, and earnings accretion requirements. This includes a great asset that we are buying in Westport, Connecticut, immediately adjacent to one of our existing centers, adding to our already strong portfolio in that region. As we look ahead, our team is focused on sourcing a creative investment opportunity across our national platform. We expect to execute on acquisitions opportunistically, and we have great visibility on development and redevelopment activity as we continue to grow our pipelines. We are planning for another year of project starts north of $200 million and remain on track to meet our strategic objective of completing more than $1 billion of projects over the next five years. We are partnering with leading grocers looking to grow their footprints in high-quality centers within our attractive trade areas, and our recent project successes are also driving additional opportunities to further grow our pipeline. The strong momentum within our program is supported by macro tailwinds within the shopping center business, but more importantly by Regency's sourcing and execution capabilities. As you hear me repeatedly say, we have the best development team in the business, which combined with our free cash flow and balance sheet give us an unequaled ability to fund and drive significant value creation within our investments program. Mike?
Mike Moss
Chief Financial Officer
Thank you, Nick, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with some highlights from our first quarter results and then walk through updates to our 2024 guidance and forward expectations before ending with comments on our balance sheet position. We reported an A-REIT FFO of $1.08 per share and core operating earnings of $1.04 per share for the first quarter. Same property NOI growth, excluding term fees and COVID period reserve collections, was 2.1%. It's worth a reminder that while bad debt this quarter trended closer to our historical averages, we are comping against a year ago bad debt number that was net positive, which we know is unusual. This anomaly impacted our first quarter growth rate by 60 basis points. At 2.7%, base rent was the largest contributor same property NOI growth and continues to be the best indicator of portfolio performance. This was largely driven by our team driving rent growth through embedded rent steps and releasing spreads, as well as executing on our redevelopment pipelines. Our same property leased occupancy rate is 95.8%, up another 20 basis points in the quarter, reflecting the continued strong leasing environment. First quarter earnings results benefited from a penny of timing-related items outside of the same property pool, as well as a penny of straight-line rent, which you can see in our increased full-year non-cash guidance. Additionally, recall that we typically recognize more than half of our annual percentage rents in the first quarter, benefiting Q1 by about 3 cents compared to the implied run rate for the balance of the year. I also would like to point out our new ASFO disclosure on page 9 of our supplemental. which highlights what in our view is one of the most important performance metrics reflecting a REIT's ability to grow dividends and to invest back into its business in order to grow earnings. This added disclosure also provides transparency around the level of capital used to drive same property NOI growth and allows for greater apples to apples comparison across the peer group. Turning to our guidance updates, as always, I'll refer you to the helpful detail on slides five through six in our earnings presentation. We raised our NAREAD SSO outlook by a penny at the midpoint, which corresponds to the increase in our guidance for non-cash items. Our guidance for same property NOI growth remains unchanged at 2% to 2.5%, excluding term fees and COVID period reserve collections. We also adjusted our full year transactions outlook. As Nick referenced earlier, the asset we are buying in Westport is now included in our acquisition guidance, and we modestly increased our dispositions guidance to include the potential sale of a few smaller, non-core, lower-growth assets. Notably, our core operating earnings per share guidance, excluding COVID period reserve collections, implies growth of more than 3% at the midpoint, despite higher interest rates and the impact of our debt refinancing this year. As we look beyond the calendar year, we wanted to highlight some tailwinds we see impacting our growth, especially as it relates to items where we have greater visibility. We've discussed the meaningful growth coming from our pipeline of executed leases, where outsized commencement activity will begin as we approach year end and move into 2025. As Alan mentioned, our SNO pipeline sits at an historical high of more than $50 million of annual base rent. of which about 65% is scheduled to commence by the end of this year. In fact, we expect our spot commenced occupancy rate to end this year roughly 50 basis points higher as compared to year end 2023. As these lease commencements are weighted to the second half of the year, the NOI and earnings impact will largely occur in 2025. And as Nick discussed, we've continued to ramp up our in-process development redevelopment activity. and look forward to completing these projects, delivering space, and commencing rent. We expect same property NOI to benefit from this redevelopment activity and for growth to accelerate into 2025. The positive contribution to same property NOI is likely to exceed 100 basis points next year, leading to above trend overall growth. And total NOI growth will also benefit from the continued momentum of our ground up development program. which will also start to bear more fruit as we head into next year. Finally, turning to our balance sheet, the recent credit rating upgrade from Moody's to A3 further validates Regency's balance sheet strategy and liquidity position. We are relatively insulated from the current volatility in the debt capital markets as our balance sheet is in phenomenal shape. The majority of this year's maturities have been pre-funded following our bond issuance in January, which we are gratified to price at a 10-year treasury yield meaningfully below where it sits today. And our next unsecured bond maturity is not until November 2025. Nearly all of our debt is fixed, our weighted average maturity is close to seven years, and we remain near the low end of our targeted leverage range of five to five and a half times net debt preferred EBITDA. We have approximately $1.7 billion of liquidity today, including nearly full capacity on our revolver, and we remain on track to generate free cash flow of more than $160 million this year. With that, we are happy to take your questions.
Operator
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Lizzie Dweck
Participant
Lizzie Dweck, and I'd like to ask about sort of maybe like the benefits
Lisa Palmer
President and Chief Executive Officer
We cannot hear the question. I don't know if it's us or if it's Lizzie.
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Lizzie Dweck
Participant
So I was asking if any of the benefits the same store flowed through in the first quarter. Just seeing if maybe any upside from losing or additional sources of accretion might have exceeded your expectations as we're through the early part of the year.
Mike Moss
Chief Financial Officer
I think, Lizzy, you're still breaking up a little bit in the early parts, but I think I understand the gist of your question. Maybe cadence on earnings, given the beat in the first quarter, versus the run rate for the balance of the year. I think that's what I heard you ask. Let me just kind of go back to some of the comments I made in the remarks and maybe color some of that up a little bit for you. Let me start by saying, at a very high level, we thought we delivered a really solid quarter. We were very happy with our performance. We met our plan. Our confidence and our outlook was simply confirmed, as you can see through our limited guidance changes. There was some timing in the first quarter that, as I outlined on the remarks, that do impact our forward run rate, right? So percentage rent is the biggest one. That is a seasonal issue. It's 50% or more of that rent is collected in the first quarter. That does lead to about a 3 cent kind of deceleration from an earnings impact perspective going forward on a run rate. And then there were some timing, little timing issues coming out of the non-same property portfolio, which, again, as a reminder, is a little larger than it customarily is because we have Our entire IRSTEP Biddle merged portfolio designated as non-same for 2024. But those timing issues didn't change our outlook for the year, right? So those aren't going to flow through in any kind of additive way. So at this point, we continue to have a lot of confidence in the guide that we shared last quarter. We did raise may read FFO by a penny. That is incremental to the plan that's coming from non-cash revenue and specifically straight line rents coming out of, improved straight line rents coming out of the development pipeline. We also had a mark to market adjustment following a mortgage pay down that we executed on this quarter. So that led to the $2 million that we increased our non-cash guidance and that's what you're seeing flow through it from a Navy FFO perspective. Let me just end with this. From a same property growth, we didn't modify the range. We have a lot of conviction in that range. The fallout in percent commenced that we anticipated and communicated last quarter happened as we planned. And the best part of that is we've released as much space as we've gotten back and then some. Done a remarkable job there. And our outlook for the balance of the year and commencing that rent going into end of 24 and end of 25, we feel really good about it.
Lizzie Dweck
Participant
Okay, thanks for that walkthrough. That's helpful. And I apologize for the connection issue. Just as a follow-up, I know you all said that, you know, you're viewing external growth opportunities opportunistically, and there's a lot to go on the development, redevelopment front. But just curious on maybe what kind of opportunities would look the most interesting to you today, maybe what you're seeing out in the market. more color on that would be helpful.
Lisa Palmer
President and Chief Executive Officer
I'll take that and I'll allow Nick to come over top of me if he wants to add a little more detail. Really unchanged. Our investment strategy, whether it's for acquisitions, which we've had recent success with, or whether it's for development, is aligning with our operating portfolio. So above average quality with regards to merchandising mix, the tenants, and to the extent that we can add our expertise to make that happen, we're looking for those opportunities as well. Grocery anchored primarily and also in great trade areas with above average demographics. We've had success from both the acquisition and the development strategy in doing that and remaining disciplined. And we continue to find opportunities. I really want to reiterate, because I know that we continue to get questions about our development pipeline. Remember, we're generating ample free cash flow. And the best use of that free cash flow is into our developments and redevelopments. And we have had a really impressive track record with that, especially of late. 2023 was an exceptional year. And as I said in my prepared remarks, we expect that to continue into 2024. And I'm not saying that it's easy. But when you take what we have, which is a talented, experienced development team across the country, when you have access to capital with the strength of our balance sheet, and when you have the relationships that we have with top grocers, top retailers, master plan community developers, it's equaling success. And we're really proud of that.
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Our next question comes from the line of Michael Goldsmith with UBS. Please proceed with your question.
Michael Goldsmith
Analyst with UBS
Good morning. Thanks a lot for taking my question. Same property NOI growth of 2.1% in the quarter. Mike, you called out a tough bad debt comparison of 60 basis points with base rent contribution at 2.7%. So looking forward, can you remind us of maybe any other moving pieces in the comparisons and that if we should use that 2.7, the high 2% range is the rate base rent growth is the forward trajectory. And did you say that next year should be about 100 basis points above trend? Thanks.
Mike Moss
Chief Financial Officer
Thanks, Michael. As we look in through the balance of 24, 2 to 2.5% guide range, we still have a lot of confidence in that expectation. It's going to hover around It's going to hover within that range quarter over quarter and really pretty consistent, I would say, as we look through the balance. And I appreciate you highlighting the fact that Q1 did have a unique anomaly in the prior year basis. I did say plus 100. Let's make sure we understand what that means. That's the positive contribution coming from redevelopment deliveries to our same property growth rate. We are really excited about about and have growing conviction in that pipeline and that delivery of projects. And you can see it on our redevelopment disclosure page, by the way, and get really comfortable yourself with thinking about when that income will be delivered. Remember, and we spent a lot of time kind of talking about our steady state growth rate. Generally, redevelopments are going to provide about a plus or minus 50 basis point positive contribution to our growth. plus 100 basis points in our outlook for 2025 is materially better than that. And again, I would just come back to the conviction we have over that, given the projects that we see, the leasing that the team is executing on, and really it's just a matter of executing on deliveries and commencing those rents, which you'll start to see happen in earnest towards the end of this year and into 2025.
Lisa Palmer
President and Chief Executive Officer
I'll just add, and I promise, Mike, I won't give guidance. for 2025. But what I would like, Michael, if you just go back and you look at long-term growth rates, same property I know I growth, FFO growth rate, I picked five years, you will see that Regency is at the top of the sector with that. And that is a result of our strategy. It's all of the things, right? It's our unequaled strategic advantages that I talked about in my prepared remarks. And with that, Given 2024 is a temporary dip from those long term expectations, we would expect 2025 would kind of make up for that. And that with the growth of 2025 that we expect all else being equal with regards to the economy, we would still we would we will rise to the top of the sector.
Michael Goldsmith
Analyst with UBS
Thanks for that. And my follow-up is on the S&O pipeline. It took a step up here, now currently sitting at 370 basis points or 50 million. With the S&O pipeline, what's the elevator, what's the trajectory from here? Should we expect that to be worked down through 24 and 25, or should it kind of still remain elevated and choppy? Just trying to understand a better better around how quickly you can monetize this elevated pipeline.
Mike Moss
Chief Financial Officer
Thanks. Listen, I hope for the right reasons, I hope it grows. And I'm looking at Alan when I say that. He'd say the same thing. I think we have a lot of conviction in our leasing team's ability. We know our properties and how well they are desired by the talent community. And we have a lot of conviction in continuing to lease at a high rate. So I wouldn't be, you know, Honestly, I'd like to see that number increase. But from an economic impact perspective, it's about our commenced occupancy rate is the essence of your question. And we do think, as we look at our plans, we do think that we've troughed on a spot basis from a commenced perspective. All planned, we knew these move-outs were going to occur in the first quarter of this year, and now it's about moving and delivering space, moving that commenced rate up. Let me give you something to help you with your question. a little bit over $50 million of S&O pipeline from an ABR perspective. 65% of those leases will commence by year-end, but that's not rent, right? So $14 million, plus or minus, I'm going to be in the area we should recognize in the earnings in 24. So that's only a quarter of that pipeline. So that tells you that adds to that conviction we have in 2025 that the balance of that ABR is going to come online soon. as we deliver units into 2025.
Lizzie Dweck
Participant
Thank you very much.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Our next question comes from Juan Sanabria with BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.
Juan Sanabria
Analyst with BMO Capital Markets
Hi, good morning. Thanks for the time. Just curious on the decisions in some cases to be proactive in trying to increase the or improve their merchandise mix and increase rents. And if that, how are you making that decision? And it seems like that's obviously a product of a stronger market here. Could you do more of that in 25 that could temporarily offset growth? Just trying to play devil's advocate here.
Alan Roth
East Region President and Chief Operating Officer
Juan, this is Alan. Thank you. Thank you for the question. We've always taken the long-term view of intense asset management. And so to answer your question, We're absolutely all about what is the right long-term decision for the asset, for the portfolio, and for the future success of Regency. You know, it's interesting. I said last quarter that we moved three office supply stores out of our portfolio. I'm not so sure that I actually identified who's replacing them, but to take those units and replace those with Sprouts in one location, HomeSense in another location, and a Baptist Health Medical Facility in a third location, I think is just really good examples of how we look at enhancing the merchandising, providing durability to our occupancy through better tenant credit, and, to your point, getting significant rent growth. So it's certainly the mindset of how we're trained. It's certainly the mindset of how we think about managing our portfolio, and I would expect that to continue.
Juan Sanabria
Analyst with BMO Capital Markets
Great. Thanks. And then just curious on how Erstat is performing, IFSTAT, would have been if included in the same store numbers additive and presumably there's more lease up opportunities there. Does that maybe then create a tough comp issue next year as that's folded into the same store pool?
Mike Moss
Chief Financial Officer
Let me take it first and then I'd like Alan to give some color on what he's seen in the portfolio. But from my perspective, The IRSTAT portfolio is performing right on plan, and we had high expectations for the portfolio, and the team's doing a remarkable job at delivering on those expectations. So just to reiterate that, we called for about a point and a half worth of accretion. We're going to deliver that, and we haven't come off plus or minus that expectation. And there was a little bit of timing noise from a cadence perspective, as I indicated in the first quarter, and that will level off by year-end. It is additive. There would have been additive had we called it same property by about the same amounts I mentioned last quarter, which we said we're up to about a quarter of a point. I'll leave it at that, and if Alan has any comments.
Alan Roth
East Region President and Chief Operating Officer
Yeah, Juan, the only thing I would add is we continue to be thrilled with the expanded platform, but I am personally probably more thrilled with the great people that have come into the organization as a result of it, and we did have another productive quarter. We signed about 50 transactions in that portfolio, and as I said the last few quarters, there's runway there. We are going to grow that 93% formally leased portfolio and leverage the platform certainly that we have, and that is the hyper-focus of the company right now relative to that acquisition. Redevelopments are something that are more medium to long-term, but, you know, we're doing some small little pad deals out in the parking lots, maybe evaluating a couple multi-tenant deals, but largely it's a hyper-focus on leasing, and the team is doing well.
Lizzie Dweck
Participant
Thank you very much.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Greg McGinnis with Scotiabank. Please proceed with your question.
Victor Fadeon
Analyst with Greg McGinnis
Hello, this is Victor Fadeon with Greg McGinnis. So we've noticed that your new leases, tenant allowances, and landlord work as a percentage of new base rent have increased both on quarter-to-quarter and year-to-year basis. It's curious, was it something unique this quarter or it's a current market environment so you need to provide higher TA's and landlord work to get new leases done?
Alan Roth
East Region President and Chief Operating Officer
Victor, this is Alan. Thank you for the question. The short answer is we're not seeing any material shift at all, although there is a slight elevation this quarter. I'll start on the renewal front. The elevation you see there is one tenant that we did a turnkey relocation to make way for a larger junior box. If you take that one out, our capitals are absolutely in line with historic levels. And again, I think that ties back to the intense asset management mindset of what's right for the asset. On the new leasing front, I would just tell you it's largely elevated by anchor leasing. And we had four anchor transactions. Notably, one of them was a space that was vacant for over seven years. And so, again, I think there's some mixed issue in terms of just anchor transactions that's driving that, but we're not seeing any market shifts as a result.
Lisa Palmer
President and Chief Executive Officer
I think it's important to just reiterate that our strategy and our approach hasn't changed. We're very judicious with our leasing capitals and do believe that that is, you know, clearly leads to, again, ample free cash flow growth, but also helps drive our AFFO growth, which if you were to look at, you know, long-term AFFO growth, we do lead the sector.
Victor Fadeon
Analyst with Greg McGinnis
Got it. Got it. Thank you. And then as a follow-up, would you please provide some additional color on the remaining 75 million of dispositions? So far, both dispositions in 24 were in Florida. And apart from properties being non-core, was it also driven by just relatively more attractive pricing and transaction market in Florida now? And should we expect other dispositions to be within the same sub-market or there are no other non-core assets in that sub-market?
Nick Wibbenmeyer
West Region President and Chief Investment Officer
Victor, this is Nick. I appreciate the question. Good morning. No, as you referenced, I mean, you answered part of the question in your question, which is we are always looking to fortify our growth profile. And we're always looking to potentially sell non-core, non-strategic assets at attractive cap rates. And so as we look into the future, as you see in our guidance now, we do expect to continue to sell assets at attractive cap rates, recycle that capital into more creative opportunities that we may see. And so it just so happens these two are in Florida, but I would not tell you strategically we are trying to exit Florida. As you know, we have a tremendous portfolio in Florida. And so these are really case-by-case decision to asset by asset, trade area by trade area. And so I would not expect these additional assets necessarily be in Florida.
Lizzie Dweck
Participant
Understood. Thank you.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Ronald Camden with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed with your question.
Ronald Camden
Hey, just two quick ones. So one on just on the acquisition front, obviously the $46 million. added in the guidance. Maybe can you talk about just how that came about and has sort of opportunities sprung up or changed given sort of the moving rates? Has that sort of slowed activity?
Nick Wibbenmeyer
West Region President and Chief Investment Officer
Good morning, Ronald. This is Nick again. I appreciate the question. So let me talk first to the first part of your question, which is about the acquisition we've now guided to. And so that asset we're very excited about. It's a 76,000 square foot shopping center and Westport, Connecticut at CVS Anchored. And for those of you recently on our tour in the Northeast, you'll be familiar with it since it's the center directly across the street from our Trader Joe's asset that we own at the corner of Comple Road and Post Road. And so just a tremendous opportunity to bring a great asset into a region that we already are really, really familiar with and excited about, again, adding to that great portfolio. And so, um, that asset was fully marketed. And so we, we competed in on market, uh, process and, um, I think given our reputation and our presence in the market definitely helped us as it related to that competition. And so excited to get that closed here very, very soon, maybe even as soon as today. Um, and so beyond that, we continue to be again, opportunistic as Lisa indicated earlier, which is looking across the country. for opportunities that we believe we can create and add value to shopping centers. And so there is definitely more opportunities on the market over the last quarter than there were the quarter before. But as we all know, treasuries have moved here in the last couple of weeks. And so it's TBD of does that slow transaction volume or not. But from the chatter we're hearing, we do expect transaction volume to stay pretty darn steady. And we're going to take advantage of any opportunity we see that we think we can add value to.
Assistant Operator
Conference Call Assistant
Does that complete your question?
Ronald Camden
Yep, my second question was just on the same store. Look, I'm getting the theme of the call, which seems to be acceleration 2025 on the same store. I guess the question is, is the conviction coming from sort of the fact that you have sort of the sign not lease pipeline and you have visibility, or is it more that the sort of the tenant health, there's no sort of larger
Lisa Palmer
President and Chief Executive Officer
uh you know move outs or bankruptcies that that could be a headwind next year or or both right just trying to figure out where the convictions coming i i'll answer that just very high level and to the extent that um my partners here want to add any more specific color but it is both i'm glad that you added that at the end i mean i i think you can see with our leasing success and results the health in the portfolio, and records are meant to be broken. And we continue to drive our percent least higher and higher. And that SNO pipeline is real. And so that does create real visibility to rent that will commence. And we also have been really successful with our redevelopment pipeline. And Mike talked about those in the prepared remarks and in one of the questions. And we have real visibility to that also being additive in 2025. So it's all of the above.
Lizzie Dweck
Participant
Great. Thanks so much.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Hundell St. Just with Mizuho. Please proceed with your question.
Ravi Vaidya
Analyst with Hundell for Mizuho
Hi. Good morning. This is Ravi Vaidya on the line for Hundell. Hope you guys are doing well. We've heard from you and your peers that the leasing environment is very strong and robust, but I just wanted to ask, particularly around MedTail and urgent care centers and things along that line, we've started to hear some softness in demand from some of the operators there, notably Walmart, and just wanted to hear your thoughts on what you're seeing from a leasing demand perspective. Thanks.
Alan Roth
East Region President and Chief Operating Officer
Yeah, Robbie. Good morning. It's Alan. Um, so our current medical exposure is about 7% of ABR and that has grown from 5%, uh, where we were pre COVID. We are very comfortable, uh, not only with where it is, um, but certainly comfortable, uh, if it were to continue to grow, uh, interestingly, we signed nearly 20 new medical leases, uh, in the first quarter. And that was our second highest category for new leasing from a square footage. perspective, and it was largely dentists, optometrists, physical therapy, primary care, and it included a new ground lease that we also did with the largest primary care operator in Houston, where they're going to build a new medical building where Regency didn't even invest any capital in that. But overall, we're comfortable certainly with that category from an urgent care specifically to answer that question. It's just not a significant piece of our medical exposure. It's less than 1% of our ABR. We, interestingly also, of all the medical transactions we did in the first quarter, none of our new leasing activity this quarter was in the urgent care facility arena. But, you know, I would just take us back to the strict vetting process that we do for all of our operators, whether medical, personal services, restaurants, et cetera. And I think the team does a really nice job to make sure we're aligning with the right operators.
Ravi Vaidya
Analyst with Hundell for Mizuho
Thank you. That's helpful. Just one more here. Where do you think CapEx goes as a percentage of NOI goes from here for you and I guess broadly for the sector? As we're seeing with occupancies, more leases are renewals than new ones. How do you think this could impact ASFO growth maybe over the next couple of years? Are we approaching an inflection point, I guess, is the crux of the question?
Mike Moss
Chief Financial Officer
Hey, Robbie. It's Mike. Maybe I'll give you a bit of a boring answer, but we don't see any change. We've been pretty consistent on this topic for some time. 11% area is kind of our run rate, and that's all CapEx, right? So that's maintenance and leasing capitals. And we don't see that changing on balance on average over the long run. You're going to have periods of time where as you're adding to commenced occupancy, as we are now, where that could increase over that line, that average line, again, because of the volume of activity you're doing. But the team does an incredible job of ensuring that we're investing the right amount of money into the operator's business, and we're getting a market-leading rent in those cases and market-leading terms, and they're just very judicious with our capital spend, and I think that's appropriate. Capital's precious. We're going to generate as much free cash flow as we can so that we can reinvest that, to Lisa's point, back into our development and redevelopment business. And when we have available capital outside of that, buy properties like the great asset we're going to add to the portfolio in Westport. So I don't see that 11% area changing over the long run.
Lisa Palmer
President and Chief Executive Officer
And I do just want to reiterate, because it's an intentional strategy to maximize rent while limiting leasing capital, staying within our parameters of our expectations. And it's the strength of our asset quality and our shopping centers that allows us to do that. And we are successful in doing so. And it is a reason that it does drive our SFO growth.
Lizzie Dweck
Participant
Got it. Thank you.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Craig Mailman with Citi. Please proceed with your question.
Ronald Camden
Analyst with Morgan Stanley
Hey, everyone. Just want to follow up. I know you guys increased dispositions a little bit here to partly pay for the Westport acquisition, but just from a need of capital, $125 million with the free cash flow you guys throw off, Is this just a placeholder because you think you could get more acquisitions or is this necessary to fund the redevelopment? Just trying to get at that accelerated pace of dispos just given the spending you guys have.
Mike Moss
Chief Financial Officer
Yeah, I think this will help you, Craig. We don't need to sell the properties to afford or pay for the Westport acquisition. We have the free cash flow in position. We have the balance sheet capacity. We have on a leverage neutral basis, if you take our free cash flow expectations, we have over $300 million of kind of investment capacity at our fingertips, so to speak. So honestly, the $25 million ad was simply identifying some small non-core assets in our portfolio where we have received indications of interest that show pretty low cap rates. And when we think about that trade of exiting a non-core asset on an accretive basis, into either our developments or redevelopments, an acquisition, some of these assets you could argue you could pay down debt and it's accretive. So when we see that trade opportunity, we're going to take it. And that's all we're doing here is just a little bit of pruning. Why? I think kind of smartly and over time, that's going to lead to a more durable income stream and earnings growth as well.
Ronald Camden
Analyst with Morgan Stanley
And the remaining $95 million that you guys have kind of dialed in, how much of that do you have visibility on at this point? And maybe what do you think timing could be on some of these sales?
Mike Moss
Chief Financial Officer
I think, I mean, the $25 million that we've added, we have visibility on all of it. And it's on the market. It's actively being discussed. The $25 million, it's going to be back-end weighted. And I think I still have a lot of confidence that we're going to execute on that plan. The other transactions are known. They're going to occur. These aren't speculative disposition assumptions. These are actionable dispos that we have a lot of confidence in.
Ronald Camden
Analyst with Morgan Stanley
Okay, so I guess I was getting at you guys have done 30, 25 is incremental, you kind of think, but then the other 70 million is kind of known. What's the timing on those?
Mike Moss
Chief Financial Officer
Timing, I'm going to look to the team to help me out. Q3, end of Q3, a summit on the 70, roughly, is how I would think about it.
Christy McElroy
Senior Vice President, Capital Markets
Yeah.
Mike Moss
Chief Financial Officer
I think about it at the kind of end of third quarter.
Christy McElroy
Senior Vice President, Capital Markets
And, Craig, we also announced that we did another edition in the second quarter with Tamarack, and we disclosed that in the press release. It's just not in the transactions list yet.
Assistant Operator
Conference Call Assistant
Yep.
Lizzie Dweck
Participant
Okay, perfect. Thanks.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Keebin Kim with Truist. Please proceed with your question.
Ravi Vaidya
Analyst with Hundell for Mizuho
Thank you.
Unknown
Participant with Keebin Kim with Truist
So there's been a couple retailers in the media like Starbucks, McDonald's, and I think Grocers has been talking about smaller basket sizes and certain consumers being stretched for some time. I was just curious if you've noticed any of that conversation in your dialogue with tenants today and I know both things can coexist where demand could be good for a while, even though there might be some challenges. I'm just curious what you're seeing on the ground.
Lisa Palmer
President and Chief Executive Officer
Let me just take it generally first, and then I'll let Alan talk about the actual discussions with tenants. I mean, the future is always uncertain, right? And in today's world, the macroeconomic – I don't know that any of us can predict what is going to happen – But what we do know is that we have high-quality centers, and our trade areas have been to this point, and we expect to continue, especially given the types of uses within our centers. It's value, convenience, service. that we would expect that our shopping centers, the trade areas, the consumers in our trade areas are going to be capable of absorbing the macro pressures that we're seeing today. And we are generally seeing that through the results in our shopping centers. You also made a comment about stress for time, which I think is really important because this even goes to the medical that we spoke about. It's a real structural tailwind that And you've heard us say this, a renewed appreciation for a physical presence of the shopping centers near and close to people's homes to service their needs and to buy goods because they are stretched for time. And it is why that we really do have this tailwind, the suburban shopping centers, for all the types of uses that we are offering at our shopping centers. And I think that that is, we don't see that softening today.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Okay, great.
Lisa Palmer
President and Chief Executive Officer
Alan's giving me hand signals, but he thinks I hit it, so he's not going to add.
Unknown
Participant with Keebin Kim with Truist
Okay, and on development, I don't think you guys have a large land bank, but you guys have been very successful in starting some projects at high yields. I was just curious about the second round of development that you might be pursuing. How might that be different in terms of yields versus the current pipeline, especially given your kind of land bank positions?
Nick Wibbenmeyer
West Region President and Chief Investment Officer
Sure. Kevin, this is Nick. Appreciate the question. You're absolutely right. We do not land bank as a strategy for our development program. And so we are very, very thoughtful about de-risking these projects as part of our diligence while we control the real estate prior to closing. And so our process is we make sure we have control of the real estate. We make sure we have really high quality tenants committed to the projects, especially our grocer tenants. We work through the entitlement process. We work through the pricing exercise and As we've talked about in previous quarters, it is a challenging environment to bring all of those pieces of the puzzle together, but it is a core competency of ours, and our teams continue to do a really, really tremendous job of finding those opportunities across our platform, across the country, and as we've said on multiple occasions, we feel really bullish about the future of our development program. We continue to lean into it, and our teams are continuing to find more than our fair share of those opportunities, and In terms of your questions of yield, as you can see in our end process, our yields range between 7% and 9% on our development or redevelopment program, and that's where we're still targeting, and we expect to have additional success in that range. Okay, thank you.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Flores Van Dykem with CompassPoint. Please proceed with your question.
Flores Van Dykem
Analyst with CompassPoint
Thanks, guys. I guess it's more of a follow-up question in terms of the development versus redevelopment. You know, one of Regency's core competencies has always been the development, I think, Lisa. You guys have, you're somewhat unique as I think most of your peers are saying that rents probably need to rise by, anyway, over 25% in order to justify new development on a national basis, but obviously there's always unique opportunities. And I suspect Cheshire is one of those. But how much of an advantage or how much of your development, future development pipeline do you think is going to come from your existing portfolio versus brand new opportunities like Cheshire? And also, what's the difference in return on those kinds of opportunities in your view?
Lisa Palmer
President and Chief Executive Officer
I'll start, and then I'll let Nick finish. I think you've been following us, and so you have seen that the percentages were more weighted towards redevelopment in the recent past, but we have generated a ton of momentum in the ground-up side, and again, this goes back to the renewed appreciation of for bricks and mortar and for being close to customers' homes and for the retailers to be able to service their customers through all channels. And one is for the customer to walk through the front door and also to buy online and pick up in store. All tailwinds for our business. And you're correct, and I appreciate the acknowledgement that development has been a differentiator for us and a competitive advantage for as long as I've been at the company, and I've been here almost 28 years. And we have an extremely successful track record in that regard. And that matters because we have an experienced, talented national team with these relationships that is helping us find. And Nick and the team remind me all the time, and I'm not saying that it's not easy, but that's what makes us so good. And so I would expect that we're going to continue to see more momentum on the ground-up side. Redevelopments will also continue to happen, as Alan talked about. We intensely manage our existing portfolio, and it's an important part of fortifying our future NOI growth. But I do expect that you're going to see GroundUp grow over the next few years.
Nick Wibbenmeyer
West Region President and Chief Investment Officer
And all I would add to that, Floris, is we, as Mike alluded to earlier, and we continue to be very vocal about, the great news is, for us, it's not an either-or process. We are in an enviable position with our capital, that we are going to take advantage of opportunities that we see in our existing portfolio. And as you see in our end process, the team has found a lot of opportunities that vary a creative and attractive returns to invest new capital into our existing portfolio. But we also are going to continue to take advantage of every opportunity we see in a ground up basis that we know we can de-risk and we can put a shell on the ground and an attractive return there. And we have the capability. We have the team that's across the country focused on that. And we have the capital. And so we are blessed to be in a position of not choosing between the two. We're going to do both.
Flores Van Dykem
Analyst with CompassPoint
And maybe in terms of the return thresholds, I guess maybe if you can talk about, like, I would imagine that some of the redevelopment, you know, opportunities are going to have higher returns. But how does that compare to buying, for example, something today in the market like a Westport or other things that you're looking at? how much higher does the return need to be in order for you to pull the trigger on opportunities?
Lisa Palmer
President and Chief Executive Officer
Yeah, it's a great question. Sorry, I was just going to reiterate, Nick, what you already said earlier, and that was the 7% to 9% is the target threshold hasn't changed for developments. And acquisitions, it's going to vary. It's going to depend on the total return, if you will. What's the future growth? We acquired Knoll Plaza, which had a tremendous amount of upside and a much lower cap rate, for example. We did our Chicago acquisition, higher cap rate, there was not as much leasing upside or redevelopment upside. So acquisitions are going to really vary depending upon the actual individual opportunity. Development, 7% to 9%. Historically, we've tried to target a minimum of 150 basis points spread over what that shopping center upon completion would sell in the market. And I think we're still pretty successful with that.
Lizzie Dweck
Participant
Thanks, Lisa.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Linda Tsai with Jefferies. Please proceed with your question.
Linda Tsai
Analyst with Jefferies
Yes, hi. For the 39 anchors that have signed but not yet commenced, just wondering who some of those anchor tenants are. Like, you know, how many of those are grocers? And then I guess just my second question is, do you think your grocer penetration, if it's plus 80% right now, could get much higher?
Alan Roth
East Region President and Chief Operating Officer
Linda, this is Alan. I don't have the actual number of what percent were grocers, but there certainly were a number of transactions that are in there. The target that we had mentioned in Norwalk, we are very excited about the first Whole Foods daily shop. I think that was announced here a few months ago in Manhattan. which will be opening likely in the fourth quarter of this year. And if you haven't heard about that concept, that's their new quick and convenient shopping experience for that urban customer. We've got a couple of Publix deals that are under redevelopment right now. So I would tell you there's a pretty significant amount of grocer activity that is within that number. We're excited to get both of those Publix deals open, which are down in Atlanta. And so it's a significant part of it. Second part of your question. I'm having a moment with it. Sorry.
Mike Moss
Chief Financial Officer
We're not grocery penetrated. We're 80% grocery anchored, and I don't think we see that number materially changing from this point forward. The bias here is around grocery, and we'll continue to pursue grocery anchored shopping centers as a rule, but I don't think you're going to see that go materially or change materially from here.
Assistant Operator
Conference Call Assistant
Thanks.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Mike Muller with JP Morgan. Please proceed with your question.
Mike Muller
Analyst with JP Morgan
Yeah, hi. So for the Stonebridge development that's part of a master plan community, how mature or early stage is the community? And does being part of a project like that change the risk profile or economics compared to a development not one of those communities?
Nick Wibbenmeyer
West Region President and Chief Investment Officer
Mike, I appreciate the question. This is Nick. And I'm glad you actually pointed out that it is part of the master plan community because To us, these partnering and working with master plan developers is a real competitive advantage of ours. And so if you put yourselves in the shoe of a master plan developer, one of the most important things you can have to make sure that you continue to sell high quality homes to high quality purchasers is retail amenities and grocer being a really important part of that. And so in the communities that we're servicing, these are wealthy areas with expected high purchase prices for the homes. And so they want high quality grocers. We have the relationships with the high quality grocers. We have the expertise to design those assets at a really high level. They know we have the capital to build them and they know we anticipate owning those. And so we're making every decision along the way from a long-term ownership perspective. And so when you put yourself in the seat of a master plan developer, we're really one of the best partners that you could hope for to execute on that important amenity. And therefore, that's why we've had a lot of success in that. And so, as you mentioned, Cheshire is an example of that. Our Baybrook development, our HEB development down in Houston is an example of that. Our Siena project is an example of that. And we continue to work with a lot of large master plan developers around the country, and that's part of our pipeline. But I'll just add to that. These are not greenfield areas. These are not tertiary markets. These are infill master plan communities that have been underway for, in some cases, decades. And so that's where the sort of perfect formula is coming together, where there is demand at high enough rents to make our deals pencil. And that's the sweet spot we're working in and continue to focus on.
Mike Muller
Analyst with JP Morgan
Got it. Okay. Thank you.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Teo Acasana with Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question.
Teo Acasana
Analyst with Deutsche Bank
Hi, yes, good afternoon, everyone. So based on all the commentary on the call, everything seems to be going really, really well at the company. So I guess just going back to guidance, again, I'm trying to understand the solid beat in one cue, you know, understanding all the items. Why that doesn't kind of translate to a bigger increase in guidance and kind of what's trying to connect those two dots of what am I missing?
Mike Moss
Chief Financial Officer
Listen, I think it's timing. Really, on just about every line item in our outlook, we've delivered on a full year basis what we anticipate delivering, but some of that timing was front loaded. Again, I'll just reiterate in the percent rent, that's kind of a classic first quarter issue, but it occurs largely in the first quarter. Again, over half of our percentage rents are earned then. And the balance is coming from other line items like other income where the income streams within those live items can be nonlinear, and it just so happens that some of that occurred in the first quarter, for example, rather than our plan, which was in the second. So some of those items are just kind of idiosyncratic, but on a full-year basis, as we kind of zoom out, we are delivering on all of them at the level that we anticipated. So it's just not translating to the full-year expectations. What you're sensing, though, in our commentary is that the incredible quarter we have from a leasing perspective – combined with the incredible momentum we continue to generate on the development side of the business, is leading to this added conviction over our future growth. And that's what we're trying to convey today, is that that plus 100 basis point contribution on the same property NOI from REDEV as a 25 event, you didn't hear us talk about that last quarter. That's, I think, what's happening. The quality of Q1 is translating into our conviction over the end of 24 and full year 25.
Lizzie Dweck
Participant
Understood. Thank you.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, press star 1 on your telephone keypad. Our next question comes from the line of RJ Milligan with Raymond James. Please proceed with your question.
RJ Milligan
Analyst with Raymond James
Hey, good morning. First off, really appreciate the AFO disclosure. Hopefully the rest of your peers that don't already provide it follow your lead. But aside from the lack of disclosure from some of your peers, there's always a lot of different bucketing of CapEx. And so I have more of a philosophical question. In your AFFO calculation, you don't include redevelopment CapEx. And I think as an industry, some of your peers are pretty discerning as to what's really redevelopment, i.e. growth CapEx. Well, I think some are pretty liberal in throwing a lot of retenanting into that redevelopment bucket, which really looks a lot more like maintenance CapEx. So I'm just curious how you think about bucketing those costs to get to your AFFO calculation.
Mike Moss
Chief Financial Officer
I'm happy to take it. And RJ, I appreciate the question. The team did a nice job, really nice job enhancing our disclosure. So thank you for the kudos. I would encourage you to look at it on a look-through basis. That's my simple answer to it. And I understand that redevelopments are hybrids. They can be challenging to differentiate between maintenance capital and and added capital. As we think about our bucketing, it is, we're densifying the site, we're adding GLA, we're significantly repositioning the asset within the market, and when that occurs, we are designating that as a redevelopment. If it's straight lease for lease, box for box, refacading that space as is, that's leasing capex, and we're gonna put that into the leasing bucket. But I would encourage you, as you think about Regency versus others, Put it all in. Call Redevelopment Capital. We're happy for you to do it. And then compare us on an apples to apples basis. And we like how we stack up.
Lisa Palmer
President and Chief Executive Officer
I think what Mike is trying to say is that whether you look at it just the leasing only, we're at the low end. And if you bump, if you throw everything together, we're still at the low end. And it goes back again to just our intentional approach to leasing capital.
Lizzie Dweck
Participant
Great. Appreciate the disclosure. Thanks, guys.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Anthony Powell with Barclays. Please proceed with your question.
Anthony Powell
Analyst with Barclays
Good afternoon. Just a question on the Kroger-Albertsons merger and the back and forth with FTC and that with the dispositions. Any concerns that that merger may be taking a bit longer to completely expect it or any impact if it's not commenced? We've gotten a few questions on that from clients the past few months.
Lisa Palmer
President and Chief Executive Officer
I can appreciate that you probably are getting questions for that. but we don't have any new information. We're reading, we're reading what you're reading. Um, and it has not, it doesn't, the timing of it isn't impacting our operations whatsoever. They're still operating as two separate companies. They're talking with us as two separate companies. I mean, and they're, and they're key, they're key customers of ours. So we do have really, we do have good relationships with them, but they're not allowed to give us any inside information. Um, we continue to feel really, we, we continue to feel really good about our real estate. Um, And I think you've heard us and you've heard me say this before. If the merger goes through, we believe that that will create a stronger, more well-capitalized grocer that will better be able to compete with some of their competitors and will be a really strong operator for us. And if it does happen, the spinoff of stores that would happen certainly is the greatest area of uncertainty. But again, we feel really good about our stores. and those are productive grocery locations, and we would expect them to continue to be so. If the merger doesn't happen, they're really good operators, and we're happy to have both of them operate in our portfolio.
Lizzie Dweck
Participant
Okay, thank you for that.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Thank you. Ms. Palmer, we have no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to you for closing comments.
Lisa Palmer
President and Chief Executive Officer
Thank you all for joining us this morning. Appreciate your interest and have a great weekend. Thank you.
Operator
Conference Call Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day.
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