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Royal Gold, Inc.
8/6/2026
Hello, everyone. Thank you for joining us and welcome to the Royal Gold, Inc. 2026 Second Quarter Conference Call. After today's prepared remarks, we will host a question and answer session. To withdraw your question, press star 1 again. I will now hand the conference over to Alistair Baker, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations and Business Development. Alistair, please go ahead.
Thank you, Operator. Good morning and welcome to our discussion of Royal Gold's second quarter 2026 results. This event is being webcast live and a replay of this call will be available on our website. Speaking on the call today are Bill Heissenbuttel, President and CEO of Paul Libner, Senior Vice President and CFO, and Martin Raffield, Senior Vice President of Operations. Other members of the management team are also available for questions. During today's call, we will make forward-looking statements, including statements about our projections and expectations for the future. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from these statements. These risks and uncertainties are discussed in yesterday's press release and our filings with the SEC. We will also refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted net income, adjusted net income per share, adjusted EBITDA, and cash G&A. Reconciliations of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are available in yesterday's press release, which can be found at our website. Bill will start with an overview of the second quarter. Martin will provide portfolio commentary, and Paul will give a financial update. After the formal remarks, we'll open the lines for a Q&A session. I'll now turn the call over to Bill.
Good morning and thank you for joining the call. I'll begin on slide four. This is our second complete quarter of consolidated financial results after significantly growing our business in 2025. And our strong first half of 2026 clearly demonstrates material change in the scale of our portfolio. Revenue for the quarter was $451 million. Operating cash flow was a record $335 million. and earnings were $236 million. These were increases of 115%, 119% and 79% respectively over the same period last year. Our diversified portfolio produced revenue from a variety of properties with no one asset contributing more than 13% of revenue and only two assets generating more than 10% of revenue. Reducing asset concentration risk was a key driver for our acquisitions in 2025, and we are pleased to see this reflected in our portfolio, which is now one of the most diversified in the sector. After adjustments, net income was $218 million, or $2.56 per share, a 41% increase over last year. We remain a gold-focused business, and gold contributed 76% of total revenue for the quarter. Our adjusted EBITDA margin remained high at 83% for the quarter, reflecting our low and stable cash G&A. We paid dividends of $40 million to shareholders in the quarter at our annual rate of $1.90 per share, 6% higher than last year. We repaid $200 million on the revolver during the quarter, and we ended the quarter with total available liquidity of $1.2 billion. and we're active on our share buyback program and repurchased and canceled 147,000 shares for a total cost of $30 million. As we discussed on our last quarterly call, we put the share buyback program in place as an additional capital allocation tool to be used with discretion. We have multiple priorities for capital deployment and our decision making considers the business development pipeline, the balance sheet, our regular dividend and our equity valuation. During the quarter, we balanced the agreed further investment at Warrensa, paid $40 million in dividends, bought back shares, and made a meaningful reduction in debt, the latter of which preserves liquidity. Changes in market conditions and our outlook mean we must be flexible as we balance all opportunities for the accretive deployment of capital over the long term. In the second quarter, we thought the market did not reflect what we see as the value of our company, and we are active on the share buyback alongside our other priorities. And any further activity will be based on the short and long-term priorities of the company and not just valuation. During the quarter, we also made further progress on simplifying the Sandstorm portfolio. We announced the restructuring of our ownership in the Hod-Modden joint venture. And after quarter end, we reduced our equity interest from 30% to 15% in return for additional royalty interest. Badman is a high-grade and high-margin project, and we are pleased to preserve the value of our position while bringing our overall interest more in line with our core royalty and streaming business. While the residual equity interest is not the ideal investment structure for our portfolio, the smaller interest materially reduces our exposure to operating and capital cost risks, and we may still look for opportunities to reduce this interest in the future. We also worked with America's Gold and Silver to settle fixed delivery obligations related to the relief canyon mine. This was a complicated arrangement that was cumbersome to manage, and it eliminates a distraction for both sides without impacting our royalty or stream interests at the leaf canyon. With these transactions, we have significantly simplified aspects of the Sandstorm portfolio that were difficult for investors to understand. Over the past few months, we have streamlined the Horizon structure, divested non-core equity positions, restructured the Bear Creek investments, settled the Relief Canyon obligations, and made progress on restructuring the direct equity interest in Hodmoden. These steps were a strategic priority for us when we announced the Sandstorm and Horizon transaction, and I am pleased with how quickly we have been able to show progress. I'll now turn the call over to Martin to discuss portfolio performance in the quarter.
Thanks, Bill. Turning to slide five, we had another quarter of solid portfolio performance. Volume was 100,000 GEOs with revenue of $451 million. Royalty revenue was up by 83% from the prior year quarter to $140 million. We saw large revenue increases over the prior year from the Cortez Legacy Zone and Voices Bay, as well as strong contributions from our new Antemina, Casarones, Hyundai, and Fruta del Norte interests. Stream revenue was also up strongly from the prior year to $311 million, an increase of 133%. We saw materially higher revenue year over year from Andacoya, Pueblo Viejo, Rainy River, Comacau, Hwasa, and Zavanchina, slightly offset by lower revenue from Mount Milligan. We also saw a strong contribution from Kinsanchi, as well as our new Greenstone, Bonnecrow, Cerro Mora, and Chapada streams. With respect to 2026 metal sales guidance, Gold and Silver are tracking well to the guidance ranges, and copper and other metals are trending to be around or above the top end of the ranges. We've seen strong copper-related revenue, largely due to lower than expected deductions on the Antamina NPI royalty and strong performance at other assets. Other metal sales have benefited from strong zinc production at Antamina and nickel production at Voices Bay. I'll now turn to slide six and give some high-level commentary on notable developments within the portfolio. At Mount Milligan, Sentera reported that gold and copper production is on track to meet full-year guidance. At Rainy River, CORE announced its plans after acquiring new gold late in the first quarter, including a more aggressive exploration program with a focus on near-mine drill testing and exploration of the large land package in the Rainy River District, which extends over 50 square kilometers. At Greenstone, Equinox reported that operations are continuing to ramp up, and 69% of the days in the second quarter exceeded the mill nameplate capacity of 27,000 tons per day. Equinox expects this trend to continue, resulting in higher quarter-over-quarter production for the balance of the year. At Red Cris, the Government of Canada announced a $500 million Canadian dollar investment in the Block Cave project. Newmont has received key regulatory approvals for the project from the province of British Columbia and is advancing towards board approval near the end of the year. At Casarones, work is underway by Lundeen Mining to increase utilization of the cathode plant and grow copper production. 39,000 meters of drilling is planned this year on more than 10 exploration targets in the district. An initial resource at Angelica and the deep sulphide targets adjacent to the Casaronas pit is expected in the first quarter of 2027. At Fruta del Norte, Lundeen Gold reported the discovery of two additional copper gold porphyries, increasing the district total to seven, with a maiden resource for the Sandia porphyry expected in early 2027. At Kansanshi, First Quantum confirmed 2026 production guidance and reported that the S3 plant throughput was sustained above design capacity in the second quarter, driven by higher operating time, strong utilization, and improved milling rates. At Bonacro, Allied expects to extend the mine life from 2029 to 2036, with average annual gold production of 120,000 ounces per year. Allied is also studying an increase in plant capacity to bring forward the processing of low-grade stockpiles beginning in late 2026 to early 2027. At Platte Reef, Ivanhoe is now expecting commercial production from Phase 1 in the fourth quarter of 2026. Chaff 3 commissioning was completed in June, and Ivanhoe expects this will support the Phase 1 ramp-up and the Phase 2 expansion. Construction of the phase two concentrator is on schedule for completion in the fourth quarter of 2027. We received the first delivery under our gold stream last week, and we are looking forward to increased deliveries as the mine ramps up towards commercial production. At Mara, Glencore reported yesterday that mining restarted ahead of schedule at Alambrera, and that Agua Rica feasibility engineering is underway with the environmental permitting submission expected in the coming weeks and Riggi approval expected shortly thereafter. At Hog Madden, the transition of operatorship to Lydia is complete and construction is continuing while Lydia undertakes a review of the project schedule and execution plan. Based on the work so far, project expenditures and commitments remain within the scope reflected in the technical report summary published by SSR Mining in January, 2026. As of June 30th, overall project progress was approximately 25%, when considering engineering at 74%, contracts and procurement at 44%, and construction at 8%. Cumulative expenditures were approximately $175 million. Lydia continues to target initial concentrate production in 2028, subject to completion of the schedule and execution plan review and timely execution of the remaining major construction and procurement packages. Finally, I'll note that recent severe winter weather in central and northern Chile has caused temporary operational issues at both Andacoyo and Casarones. The weather system has passed and neither operator has indicated a change to four-year guidance. I'll now turn the call over to Paul.
Thanks, Martin. I'll turn to slide 7 and give an overview of the financial results for the quarter. For the discussion of slides 7 and 8, I'll be comparing the quarter end of June 30, 2026 to the prior year quarter. Revenue for the quarter was up strongly by 115% to $451 million. The large increase was driven by higher metal prices, new contributions from Consangie and the Sandstorm portfolio, and higher volumes from Andacoyo, Rainy River, and the Cortez Legacy Zone. Some of these increases were partially offset by lower sales from Mt. Milligan. We also recognized a large revenue contribution from Relief Canyon in the second quarter when we sold 5,000 ounces of gold related to the advanced delivery of stream ounces. The original delivery schedule was 1,275 ounces per quarter through the end of 2027. In terms of the impact on this year's guidance, we are receiving 1,175 more ounces this year than expected. and all the ounces were delivered in the first half of 2026 rather than being spread evenly across the year. The incremental revenue this quarter from the sale of the advanced delivery was approximately $22 million. Metal price increases were significant with gold up 37%, silver up 117% and copper up 40%. Gold remains our dominant revenue driver at 76% of total revenue with silver at 12% and copper at 8%. Turning to slide eight, I'll provide more detail on certain financial items for the quarter. G&A expense was $13.4 million, which is approximately $3 million higher than the prior year. The increase in our G&A expenses period was mostly due to higher office and employee-related costs, which also includes non-cash stock compensation expense. We continue to expect our total G&A expense for the year will finish near the high end of the $50 million to $60 million range we provided earlier on our February conference call. Our DD&A expense increased to $96 million from $31 million in the prior year. On a unit basis, this expense was $962 per GEO for the quarter compared to $487 per GEO last year. The increase is mainly driven by higher carrying values at Constantia Goldstream and the Sandstorm Horizon interest we acquired in 2025, partially offset by lower gold sales and depletion rates at Mt. Milligan. Further, as we flagged in our preliminary financial information press release in July, Approximately $12 million of the increase was due to the one-time sale of the gold ounces related to the Relief Canyon fixed delivery obligation settlement. Our overall DD&A expense is in line with expectations, and we expect to finish the year within the guidance range of $339 to $379 million. Fair value change in equity securities was $22 million for the quarter, primarily due to the increase in the value of the Entrez resources shares we acquired with the Sandstorm and Horizon acquisition. Interest and other expense increased to $10 million from $1.5 million, primarily due to higher average amounts outstanding under the revolving credit facility in the current quarter. Tax expense for the quarter was $58 million, resulting in an effective tax rate of 19.7%. Before discrete items, our year-to-date effective tax rate is 19.9%, and we continue to expect that the rate for the full year will be within the guidance range of 17% to 22%. Net income for the quarter was $236 million, or $2.78 per share, which compares to $132 million, or $2.01 per share, in the prior year. The increase in net income was largely due to higher revenue and fair value changes in our equity securities. These increases were partially offset by the higher cost of sales, DD&A, interest, and income tax expense. After adjusting for the fair value changes in equity securities, the gain on settlements of the Relief Canyon obligation and the tax effect of these adjustments adjusted net income with $218 million or $2.56 per share. Finally, our operating cash flow this quarter was a record $335 million, up 119% from $153 million in the prior year. The increase was primarily due to higher stream and royalty revenue partially offset by higher income tax payments, G&A costs and interest payments. In summary, it was another very strong financial quarter that reflects the significant cash generation potential of the portfolio and the overall increase in the scale of our business. I will end on slide nine and summarize our financial position. Our increased cash flow has allowed us to quickly pay down debt, repurchase shares, and rebuild our liquidity. At the end of June, we had total available liquidity of $1.2 billion between the available amounts on the revolver and $244 billion of working capital. After quarter end, we continued our focus on the balance sheet as we made a further $75 million repayment in July, and we intend to make an additional $100 million repayment in mid-August. We continue to expect to fully repay the outstanding balance during the fourth quarter based on current metal prices and absent further significant acquisitions. In terms of additional liquidity, we expect Centera to deliver the second tranche of gold as part of the deferred consideration for the Mount Milligan cost support agreement. sometime towards the end of the third quarter or beginning of the fourth quarter. Recall that the sale of these ounces will not be treated as revenue and will not be reflected in our calculation of GEOs, and the cash received from the sale of these ounces will be reflected in our operating cash flow. With respect to financial commitments, at the end of June, we had $50 million of funding outstanding for the warrants acquisition. We expect to fund this amount in the third or fourth quarter, subject to registration of security, which is underway. Our only other remaining commitment is our 15% share of Hodman project costs. As part of the ownership restructuring, we funded $70 million of project costs in the second quarter. Lydia is required to fund the next $397 million, after which both parties will fund their share of costs according to their ownership. Assuming no changes to the project timeline or scope and no debt financing, we expect we will start contributing our share of spending in mid-2027. That concludes my comments on our financial performance for the quarter, and I will now turn the call back to Bill for closing comments. Thanks, Paul.
As I said at the beginning of the call, this is our second full quarter of results after a year of transformational activity. Our financial results so far this year show the benefits of holding a large, diversified, and cash-flowing portfolio. And with the resolution of some of the more complicated Sandstorm interests complete, and the transaction noise behind us, we have returned to delivering steady and predictable results. A year ago, there was concern that our 2025 transactions would cause dilution to near-term results. While it is only two quarters, our per share metrics in terms of GEO per share, adjusted EBITDA per share, operating cash flow per share and EPS, also the overall accretion of our 2025 transactions. Our business model should be simple for investors to understand and value. We have interest in some of the best assets in the mining business. Cortez, Four Mile, Consanche, Antamina, Red Crisp, Great Bear, Mara, just to name a few. And I hope we will return to a premium valuation when the market has digested the results and values the cash flow and organic growth potential within the portfolio. Until such time, we will try to continue to show strong financial performance and use our increased cash flows to address multiple opportunities that may be present, ranging from new investments, further debt repayments and potentially further share repurchases. Operator, that concludes our prepared remarks. I'll now open the line for questions.
We will now begin the question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 to raise your hand. To withdraw your question, press star 1 again. We ask that you pick up your handset when asking a question to allow for optimum sound quality. If you are muted locally, please remember to unmute your device. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Brian McArthur, Raymond James. Brian, your line is now open.
Good morning. Just a few quick ones. You talked about cleaning up the portfolio from Sandstrom. You mentioned you still have the entree shared. What's the latest thinking with respect to them?
Hey, Brian, thanks for the question. We're going to be a little patient there. You know, Rio and the government of Mongolia have been having ongoing discussions regarding some of the mining concessions. We just think if that were to get solved, maybe that might have a positive impact on the Entrez shares. So, you know, where it was with VersaMet and some of the other ones, we were just, oh, well, let's just sell it. As of right now, we're going to just hold on for a little bit and see what happens.
Great, thanks. My second question, thank you for the hot Madden update spending. So I guess now you sort of, you know, they pay the next 397, you say there's 175 in, and you think you're going to make payments in mid-2027. The way you see it now, I mean, that's a fair bit of the capital will be spent by mid-2027. Is that... Martin, is there anything on the construction timing we can add at this point? I don't quite know what we've talked about in the past.
I imagine it's going to go from in 2027 and 2028 but anything you can add Martin?
I think that the so Lydia is still talking about first production of Concentrate in 2028 so I think the way to think about it Brian would that the remaining input from Royal Gold would probably be split over the second half of 2027 and the the first half of 2028. But that's a very rough view at the moment.
Great, thank you. And just third question, you mentioned your second trunk for under the support payments for Mt. Milliken. Can you just remind me when you get the final ounces under that deal, what the trigger is for that and when you might receive it?
Oh, boy. Paul, I'm going to take a shot at it, and if you can help me a little bit, I would appreciate it. So the total delivery was 50,000 ounces. I think there were three scheduled chances based on greenstone of 11,000 ounces. So after the one we get in, say, next quarter or the fourth quarter, will it be another 11? I don't remember the trigger for it. But then the rest of it, I think, is longer term. It sort of goes out into the next decade. Paul, am I anywhere close?
That's correct, Bill. And Brian, just remember, it's based on a delivery, or I'm sorry, threshold, excuse me, production thresholds at Greenstone. So, but Bill is correct. The second tranche, 11,111 ounces, as I mentioned, we're anticipating that they're going to meet the next threshold required for that sometime in the late third quarter or possibly early fourth quarter.
Great. Thanks very much for answering my questions. Thanks, Brian.
Your next question comes from the line of Cosmos Chiu with CIBC. Cosmos, your line is now open.
Thanks, Bill and team. Maybe my first question is on your guidance. You're tracking very well in the other metals category and also the copper category. So maybe in the other metals, could you remind me what's included in that $29 million that you've generated so far in Q1 and Q2?
Yeah, Cosmos. I mean, others are going to be things like lead, zinc, nickel, which is good. It's going to come from antamine on the zinc side, I believe, Boise's Bay, copper, nickel. and, oh, excuse me, there's one more. But, Paul, what's the other? Oh, Penesquito, Lead and Zinc. Paul, is there anything else other than those three that really drive that?
No, those are the big highlights.
Okay.
So I guess my question is, you know, it's driven off of, I would imagine, higher sort of base metal prices we've seen so far in the first half. Is it a possibility that I take what has been generated in the first half and times two and then that would be sort of what the annualized number might be because that would be much higher than what you had expected at least for other metals and significantly higher as well for copper. Is that one possibility if base metal prices stay at where they are today?
Yes, sure, it's a possibility. The only caveat we have is the NPI is new to us and, you know, we've seen revenue of $26 million in the first six months of this year. You go back to 23 and 24, Antimeda paid somewhere between $16 and $17 million of royalty revenue for the full year. Now, we don't know of anything in the portfolio that would bring it down and that's why we're uncomfortable changing guidance. But, you know, we don't have a lot of insight into Penesquita. We don't have a lot of insight into Boise Bay. So, as I thought was, look, it's a small piece of revenue. Let's get to the end of the third quarter. And then if we need to adjust it so people know where they're going to end up at the end of the year, you know, then we can talk a little bit better about talking about it then.
Yeah. And Bill, you know, since you talk about being comfortable here and, you know, it's a good news story, copper up and, you know, other metals up. But now copper makes up about 8% of your revenue, as Paul had mentioned earlier. It could potentially go higher. Is that a good mix, or does that make you uncomfortable? At what point could it make you uncomfortable in terms of cost?
I don't think we did uncomfortable. I mean, we're 76% gold, and I just can't see. I don't know what the copper price would have to go to to suddenly say, well, that 76% is now substantially lower. I don't worry about it.
Do you see it as an opportunity or no? We're still very much precious metals focused.
We're precious metals focused, but as we've always said, if someone wants to call us up and show us something in another metals market that we can understand and we like the asset, yeah, we'll certainly consider an investment. But copper is not suddenly a strategic metal for us where we're going out looking for it.
Maybe go into hot medan a little bit, Bill. You know, from where you're standing and from where your team is standing, how has the transition been in terms of the operatorship from SSR Mining to Lydia? Has it been okay?
Yeah, I think it's been okay. But I'm going to turn that question over to Martin because he's really been in touch with the Lydia technical folks. So, Martin, why don't you give Cosmos your thoughts?
Yeah, so I think to answer your question clearly, yes, we do believe the transition has gone well. You know, at the mine site level, not really very much has changed. They've changed some senior leadership positions, but the work is still ongoing. So they're still working on the main access tunnels and they are, you know, they're ramping those up. They're working on the Salachore Tunnel, which is key for us because it gets access between the South Valley and the North Valley where the tailings are stored. They're still working on the permanent camp infrastructure. They're working and almost complete on the water management infrastructure. So everything that we would have expected to continue work under SSR leadership is still going ahead and appears to be ramping up as we would expect. So I think we are We're comfortable with that. We're comfortable with the sort of communications that we have with the Lydia team. We've got good relationships going there, so we've got clear insight into how the operation is progressing. So, yes, overall, very comfortable with the handover. Great.
And, you know, as we talked about timelines at hot mid-end, you know, you talked about potentially needing to make that mixed payment in mid-2027, right? followed by production starting in sometime 2028. I guess my question is, Bill, as you mentioned, there could be potential for further optimization of the structure. You're still a 15% joint venture ownership, owner of the joint venture partnership. So ideally, if a transaction were to happen, a further transaction were to happen, Would you want that to happen before you need to make that next contribution or before production starts? Is there kind of like, you know, kind of different timelines that you look at?
Not in that way. You know, I wouldn't want to start setting deadlines, threshold dates beyond which we don't want to go beyond it. I guess the message we're trying to say is, look, when we started the year, We were a 30% holder, and we were very clear that's not strategic. We want to turn it into something else that looks more similar to what we do. With the change in ownership, we took a half step down towards that road. So the 15% is still non-core. If somebody is interested in buying it, we are more than happy to have a discussion. But it's not the same priority. We're not out there hiring investment banks to run processes. We may be looking for the opportune time to dispose of the rest of the 15%, but it's not tied to when we have to make the next payment. It's not before the mine goes into production. We're going to play it by ear more than what we were doing at the beginning of the year, which was this is a priority. Let's figure it out.
Great. Thanks, Bill, Martin, and Paul for answering all my questions. That's all I have. Enjoy the rest of your summer, and we'll chat again later.
Thanks, Cosmos.
A reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your device. Your next question comes from the line of Daniel Major with UBS. Daniel, your line is now open.
Hi, and thanks very much for the questions. The first one is on the buyback. You've obviously started buying back stock this quarter. How should we be thinking about the criteria for the buyback going forward and how should we be modeling it? I mean, is this very much dependent on where the shares are trading relative to the peers, where the shares are trading in absolute terms relative to the gold price, etc.? ? should we be thinking about it as a proportion of cash generation? How should we be thinking about the parameters to determine the run rate of that buyback?
Honestly, I try to talk you out of modeling it because the decisions to buy shares back or not depends on a number of factors. And as we talked about in May when we announced the program, You know, NAV multiples and where we trade relative to the others, sure, that is the factor that sort of trips the rest of the decision making. But it doesn't mean we're going to do something. And so, you know, we're not going to talk about at a NAV multiple below this, we're going to buy back so many shares. We're going to look at all the priorities. And the way I view it is share buybacks are great, but that's sort of a short-term priority. We have to We have to, as a management team, consider the long-term priorities of the company, and that involves new investments. Is it better to buy back shares now or make an investment in a mine that's going to produce revenue for us for 20 years? We don't go into this with, oh, you should expect this amount to be bought back each quarter. That's just not the way we're going to approach the program. What we're going to do is come and tell you what we did, as we did with the announcement and the in July on the quarter end results. So I'm going to frustrate you a little bit there and not be able to give you a modeling number.
No worries. That's useful, Culler. Thank you. Then the second question maybe follows on from Brian's question just around the hard margin additional payments for the remaining capex. Can you remind us what your share of the residual capex will be Do you in 2H2728 based on the previous capex estimate and how you think that capex number is trending under new ownership?
Yeah, well, I mean, let's just stick with the number that was in the technical report, and I'm going to round it here just to make the math easy. $900 million project. And so 15% of that is $135 million, and we've already invested 70. So we only have $65 million to go. to be invested over 2728. So it's actually, I mean, compared to our overall cash flow, the remaining commitment here on the base CapEx is relatively small. So, and that's why we kind of, we like, I don't know, I'm not too worried about it. We've already invested more than half of what the commitment would be in the last month or two. So, but that's, I mean, those are the numbers and I don't have a trending CapEx number for you. I think we're pretty early and I know Lydia is using the original budget to work towards.
Okay. Thank you. And then, yeah, the last question, I mean, we've obviously seen some consolidation in the equity valuations across the space. How's the deal pipeline looking? Yeah. Yeah, are you seeing any opportunity set? How's the landscape changing?
In terms of asset acquisitions, new investments?
Yeah, yeah, new investments.
Yeah, Dan, I'll get Dan Breeze on the line here and let him give you some.
Sure. Yeah, yeah, thanks, Bill. Hi, Daniel. Yeah, thanks for the question. We've been pretty busy. I think that's the way we would describe things. It's pretty wide in terms of the opportunity sets. And your question specifically, we were wondering at the start of the year with the volatility of the markets and the political risk situation, if that was going to slow down deal flow and sellers and whatnot. We haven't seen that at all. And now with Gold finding a bit of a floor here. I hope that's a positive as well. So we're kind of as busy as ever. And it's a good mix of things that we're looking at new streams and royalties. And we're still finding third party royalties out there packages and standalone royalties. So it's a really good mix for us right now. We're feeling pretty good about the pipeline.
Great, thanks. Maybe just one follow-up on that. We've been, I think, as a broader industry, waiting for the inflection point in FIDs of copper projects. That hasn't really taken off yet, but are you seeing any more opportunity there in terms of funding streams on more sizable base metal investments?
Yeah, I think we are, Daniel. I mean, we're always in conversations with operators and assets like that. I mean, that's where a product works best is when you can kind of liberate precious byproducts out of a base metal asset. And of course, we've all seen the big dealer this year over Antamina. And I think that speaks some interest of other large diversified. So we'll see where things end up, but that's more of a, You know, arbitrage opportunity as a maybe as opposed to, you know, development capex going into a new project. But those do exist out there from what we're seeing.
Great, thanks for the questions.
Thank you. Our last question comes from the line of Tanya Jakuskinek from Scotiabank. Tanya, your line is now open.
Oh, great. Thank you so much for taking my questions. Maybe, Dan, I could just finish up with you on the pipeline. What I've got is what you talked about, there's oil opportunities, there's opportunities on streams from base metal companies on their metal production, and there's also opportunities as well as fine bills. Did I understand that correctly?
Daniel, you're breaking up. Tonya. Go ahead.
Hello.
Tonya, we're just breaking up a little bit. Could you repeat that, please?
Yeah.
I didn't quite hear all that, if you don't mind.
Yeah, so I just wanted to confirm with Dan that the opportunities that you are seeing for transactions are royalty opportunities also opportunities from base metal companies on precious metal streams and also on mine builds on gold producers. Is that how I should be thinking about the opportunities?
Yeah, that's right, Tonya. And the bread and butter, which is still what we see right now, is skewed towards gold over development projects, primary gold assets, generally speaking. As I mentioned, there are other opportunities out there with the base metal assets and third-party royalties and whatnot. But that core that's always there is still the prominent deal opportunity for us.
And one of your peers mentioned, Dan, that they've seen the size of opportunities increase. You were seeing between 300 and 500. Is that still your bread and butter of what you're seeing out there?
Yeah, I think that's still the core, Tanya. I'd say, you know, 100 to 500 million. You were aware of a couple of larger opportunities out there that would be about 500 million, but the bulk of them are still in that category, 100 to 500.
Okay. Thank you, Dan, for that. Just wanted to circle back, if I could, to what Madden, I know we're, you know, focusing on this assets and what has to be done in mid-2027 from your standpoint. Can you remind me, is there a right of first refusal for you selling your 15% interest?
Yeah, I mean, the joint venture has all the usual protections you would find with a joint venture partner.
Okay, and then Bill, do you also have the right for dilution should you not want to proceed?
Yeah, it's a standard joint venture agreement.
Okay, so that's another way you can do it. Okay, perfect. And if I can circle back just on your guidance again, it seems that the metals guidance, from what I understood, the reason that you are trending towards the upper end of the range and or beyond is to do with the Antamina NPI and obviously what capital is placed on that NPI. Is that correct?
That to me is the biggest variable. in those numbers, the copper number and the other metals number. I mean, we've had Penesquito for years. We've had Boise Bay for years. They have variability too, but it's the Antimena NPI that I just, I look at the historical revenues and I look at what we've earned so far this year, and I think there is just volatility in the number. That's why we're a little uncomfortable sitting here today saying, we think we should change what we're telling you for the year end. We're just not there. I think in early November when we report, we'll certainly be able to help you with what things might look like by year end.
Okay. Well, it seems like it's a champagne problem. Maybe just turning on to... Yeah. Maybe just turning on to just your guidance that you're tracking guidance. And it had been that the second half of the year was supposed to be stronger. As we look at Q3 and Q4, is there between the two quarters anything that stands out asset-wise where we have a stronger contribution in Q4?
Paul, I'm going to turn to you on this. I know we've only talked in terms of halves of years. We haven't talked quarter by quarter. Is there anything else we can add to it?
No, there isn't, Tanya. I mean, you probably recall earlier where we talked about kind of the 48-52 split here today. I think that that still is, you know, looking at Q3 and Q4 as well.
Yeah, I was just wondering if there were certain assets in Q4 that you saw within the mine plant that are supposed to do better to guide it.
Yeah, and Martin, I would probably then Look over to you then. Is there any one that you can recall, Q3, Q4, that may be forgetting here?
No, Tanya. I think Q3 and Q4 at the moment are looking pretty well balanced. Just remember that a lot of our production or our sales come from assets with a significant delay between the production to the deliveries to the sales. So we're pretty comfortable with those Q3, Q4 numbers being balanced and with the numbers that Paul talked about earlier in terms of magnitude of comparison between H1 and H2.
Okay. Well, that's very helpful. Thank you for that. I really appreciate you taking all of my questions and see you all at Colorado Springs. Sounds good.
Thanks, Tanya. Thanks, Tanya.
There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back to Bill Heissenbuttel for closing remarks.
Thanks, everybody, for taking the time to join us today. We certainly appreciate your interest, and we look forward to updating you on our progress during our next quarterly call. Take care.
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