Resources Connection, Inc.

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Resources Connection Inc. conference call. Currently, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session, and instructions will follow at that time. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. At this time, I would like to remind everyone that management will be commenting on results for the first quarter ended August 30, 2025. They will also refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. An explanation and reconciliation of these measures to the most comparable GAAP financial measures are included in the press release issued today. Today's press release can be viewed in the investor relations section of RGP's website and filed today with the SEC. Also during this call, management may make forward-looking statements regarding plans, initiatives, and strategies that the anticipated financial performance of the company. Such statements or predictions in actual events or results may differ materially. Please see the Risk Factors section in RGP's report on Form 10-K for the year ended May 31, 2025, for a discussion of risk, uncertainties, and other factors that may cause the company's business, results of operations, and financial condition to differ materially from what is expressed or implied by forward-looking statements made during this call. I'll now turn the call over to RGP CEO, Kate Duchesne.

Thank you, operator, and welcome, everyone, to RGP's Q1 earnings call.

We continue to make progress in evolving the company to become more integrated, diversified, and resilient. While the global macro environment remains uncertain, disrupted, and slow-moving for professional services, we are working aggressively to evolve the business to be well-positioned for the upturn. Our activities are producing meaningful progress, which I'll highlight. In Q1, we delivered results better than our outlook for all measures. Revenue was above our outlook range, growth margin was significantly better, and SG&A also came in better than our outlook. As a result, we achieved more profit than expected by a significant amount. While we have more work to do, we have a clear plan to delivery and enhanced value creation. Several parts of the business are growing, and I want to highlight those. Europe and Asia-Pac achieved a solid quarter, delivering 5% growth, and have built a strong pipeline for Q2. Japan and India delivered growth in Q1, again with solid momentum moving into Q2. Revenue from our top 10 clients also grew year over year, reflecting the global transformation and transaction work happening in the very large company client segments. Kelsey grew in Q1 and is busy with strong proposal activity in Q2. But Dresh and Jen will share more details about our progress, especially around double-digit bill rate improvements in our consulting segment, increasing deal size, and pipeline momentum. These are the indicators that we closely monitor to track our continued progress against our strategic goals. We are engaged in our transformation to deliver more for our clients and colleagues, while improving return for our shareholders. We are transforming purposefully to increase our addressable market while becoming known for a focused set of solutions. We've taken the company from a professional staffing organization to a diversified platform combining on-demand talent with consulting and outsource services. We are focused on two critical solution areas across all delivery models. CFO advisory, and digital transformation. These services are relevant to every business today, large and small. In these areas, we help our clients drive transformation from strategy through to execution by providing heightened value and impact. Our unique value proposition is built on five key differentiators. First, we bring agility, expertise, and experience. Unlike big four and large consultancies, we deploy skilled analytical consultants paired with highly experienced professionals who can plug into client teams quickly without the heavy overhead, long timelines, or rigid methodologies. Clients value this model when they need execution and results fast, not just advisory. Also, our global talent network is unmatched. Our experienced professionals tend to be mid to senior level practitioners with 10 to 20 plus years of experience who have worked in industry, not just consulting, and have operated in our client seats. This makes them credible to client teams immediately. Second, our diversified services model is a strength. We serve clients across consulting, professional staffing, and managed solutions or outsourcing. giving clients flexibility in how they engage. Few firms combine all three effectively, especially on a global stage like ours. Clients increasingly want more choice, including blended delivery teams that can operate around the world. In addition, with the U.S. changing the H-1B availability and cost model, our global delivery centers in India and Asia pack allow us to quickly access outstanding global talent without extra complexity or cost. Third, our focus on CFO advisory and digital transformation is right on target for the next several years. We specialize in the high demand areas of finance transformation, including AI and data, risk and compliance, transaction integration, supply chain optimization, digital and cloud transformation. This is a sweet spot where clients need both deep functional expertise and execution support. Our pipeline of opportunities is growing in the digital finance, ERP, and data space, and we expect that to continue. We have accordingly upskilled our talent communities to deliver the specialized skills clients need today. Fourth, our diversified model is scalable. Our clients can flex our team up or down depending on project demand. This gives clients more control over cost and outcomes compared with traditional consulting engagements. In today's macro environment, cost efficiency and flexibility are critical considerations for clients in making procurement decisions. The models of yesterday with large layered teams or inflexible playbook delivery are declining. This shift will play in our favor because we don't deliver services with layers of inexperienced generalists or juniors, often learning skills on the client's dime. We know that much of that work is being actively disrupted by automation and AI. Our GP sweet spot is in the delivery of consulting and on-demand specialized talent that embraces AI and automation to streamline, enhance, and cost optimize the delivery of complex change and transformation work. We take pride knowing that when our clients demand teams and talent that have been in their shoes and have experienced the problems they face, we can quickly provide that solution anywhere in the world. In digital finance work, for example, our consultants work collaboratively with modern tools for automating, processing, and analyzing. allowing focus to shift to capturing insights and designing innovative new processes and technical architectures that enable the use of these tools at scale. As the on-demand environment improves and clients are reintroduced to the capabilities of RGP today, we believe the market opportunity ahead is significant. The fifth differentiator is our client-centric approach. We partner to truly integrate with client teams. We do not engage as an external firm dictating solutions. Our model is designed to be collaborative, outcome-oriented, and more cost-effective than large consultancies. As one client buyer from a $6 billion enterprise undergoing finance transformation recently shared, RGP is positively unique because you deliver strategy when I need it and specialized talent when I need it. You are a trusted partner for both types of services, providing greater control and efficiency as every day brings something new. Next, I want to comment on the qualitative aspects of our transformation, as they are important to unlocking cross-sell and up-sell opportunities in our exceptional client base. We are working more collaboratively across the enterprise's one RGP and are accelerating the integration of our consulting capabilities. The mindset and attitude of our organization has significantly changed to understand the importance of sales, delivery, and talent working together. This mindset shift and accompanying behavioral changes are beginning to produce the right results. In sum, we're transforming to build a more stable and profitable business. The past three years have been volatile and disrupted, especially in the staffing market. During this time, we have been building our talent base and solutions to bring to market a new model of consulting that is more affordable, more flexible, and more impactful. Larger consulting projects are already beginning to help us create stickier business and higher-level client relationships. This new playing field and approach will pay dividends quickly in an improving global environment. We're also building more outsource services capabilities with COUNCY as it fits into our diversification strategy and the CFO and digital agendas. COUNCY is an outsource finance and accounting service combining automation, AI, and highly specialized fractional CFO talent to serve startups, scale-ups, and divested assets of larger enterprises and private equity firms. We are currently expanding our offerings to incorporate more AI and automation in these outsourced services, in turn driving growth and longer-term revenue opportunity. We believe we will increase the market opportunity for County in two ways. One, adding clients that are divested assets of larger enterprises or private equity portfolios, and two, by maintaining clients longer as they mature. County is not just a solution for the startup and scale-up stage, but a long-term solution for finance and accounting services for a broader range of clients. For example, County's newest client base is AI Technology and FinTech, who want F&A as an outsource solution long-term. County also delivers RGP's strongest operating margins, which will continue to benefit our consolidated results and drive shareholder value. Finally, I want to share an update on our cost structure, which we are actively redesigning to fit the current size and scale of the business, our current technology platform, and our diversified services strategy. We are streamlining organizational structure, simplifying processes, embracing automation and AI, and evaluating all functions to ensure they are strategically aligned to what we need today and where we're headed. We've made good progress in reducing our run rate SG&A and will continue to do so at a meaningful level from a holistic point of view. We will report continued progress throughout the fiscal year as we fully optimize our technology investments to simplify process and drive efficiency. Jen will share more on our cost structure improvements in a moment. In closing, we have a clear strategy we are executing to allow us to rebound quickly as the demand environment improves. We believe the improvements we are making in the business today will enable us to return to double-digit profitability. Our strengths, including our brand, people, client base, technology, and flexible solutions will allow us to capitalize on the opportunities ahead, driving long-term shareholder value. With that, I'll turn it over to Padresh.

Thank you, Kate, and good afternoon, everyone. We're pleased to report another quarter of progress in advancing our transformation strategy, positioning RGP at the intersection of professional, staffing, consulting, and outsource services. Our flexible client-centric offerings continue to resonate with clients, supporting both their transformation and operational priorities. In the first quarter, we delivered results ahead of expectations in both revenue and gross margin. This performance reflects the ongoing stabilization of our operating model, stronger cross-practice collaboration, continued focus on value-based pricing within consulting, and disciplined cost management. Together, these actions are driving stronger bottom-line performance, which Jen will cover in more detail shortly. Despite the still choppy demand environment that Kate referred to, our pipeline returned to growth during the quarter. Demand is strengthening across CFO advisory and digital transformation, directly aligned to client priorities around cost efficiency and process automation. This demand underscores the alignment between our sales organization and practice leaders in our positioning at the intersection of staffing, consulting, and outsource services. Europe and Asia-Pac, as well as outsource services, continue to deliver year-over-year growth. On-demand is stabilizing, and consulting is building pipeline while achieving higher bill rates. We are making targeted investments in leadership and services to further accelerate this momentum. With that, let me turn to our performance by segment. Our consulting segment revenue declined year over year, but we did achieve revenue growth in a few areas, including ServiceNow, project and change management, and our federal digital offerings. Additionally, we saw meaningful improvement in bill rates and utilization compared to the same quarter last year, and importantly, we're achieving notably higher bill rate increases on new projects. This validates client demand for our specialized solutions, supports our value-based pricing initiative, and contributed to the gross margin improvement year over year. In addition, stronger collaboration between our sales and consulting teams is expanding the pipeline with larger, more strategic transformation opportunities, particularly in our focus areas of CFO advisory and digital transformation, as Kate mentioned. These areas remain directly relevant to client priorities, but the longer sales cycle and slower project starts in the current environment often translates into elongated revenue conversion. While this impacts near-term quarterly revenue, We believe these engagements represent durable demand that over time will translate into meaningful opportunity at increasingly higher margins. Notable wins this quarter include execution of a technology strategy across multiple work streams for a Fortune 500 financial services company, a master data management implementation for a multi-billion dollar food processing company, and employee experience modernization for a large multinational technology company. On the pipeline side, we added several significant opportunities, including global program management support for a Fortune 500 energy company's finance transformation, stabilization pods for cutover support and data validation for a complex best-in-breed ERP and data platform deployment for a large energy distributor, and transformation advisor and implementation support of the source-to-pay function for an independent business unit of a FTSE 100 global consumer goods company. Many of these wins and pipeline additions are with clients we have historically served through our on-demand talent channels. which is a testament to our unwavering focus on the value of our integrated go-to-market strategy. Finally, on consulting, as announced in August, I'd like to welcome Scott Rotman as our new leader for CFO Advisory. Scott will oversee finance transformation, risk assurance, tax and treasury, and M&A offerings. He brings deep expertise from the Big Four and Morgan Franklin, a boutique transformation-focused consultancy with a proven track record of building practices and trusted teams and helping clients navigate complex transformation agendas. Turning to on-demand, revenue declined year-over-year but is showing signs of stabilization over the first quarter with improved growth margins supported by moderate bill rate increases. After the expected seasonality of summer, the pipeline returned to growth in the quarter, driven by more net new opportunities and continued focus on extension management, pivoting away from operational accounting as these roles will continue to be replaced by AI and automation. We remain disciplined in pipeline management and qualification, with a particular focus in the areas of ERP, finance transformation, data, and supply chain, which are more relevant in today's marketplace. In addition, as we continue to build leadership and capabilities in consulting, we're increasingly positioning on-demand talent alongside consulting opportunities and engagement. This integrated approach not only strengthens client impact, but also creates revenue growth across our service line. Moving to international, our Europe and Asia PAC segment delivered solid first quarter year-over-year revenue growth. Europe and Asia led the way with revenue gains, higher run rates, and stronger bill rates versus last year, underscoring the strength of client relationships and the effectiveness of our regional strategy. Growth in Europe and Asia PAC has been driven by a dual focus in deepening multilateral client relationships and expanding our local client base. Demand for our CFO advisory and digital transformation offerings remain strong, and our ability to combine local delivery with scalable global delivery centers continues to differentiate us. Together with SG&A management and ongoing optimization initiatives, these actions position us to maintain margins and sustain growth despite longer sales cycles and competitive dynamics. Lastly, on outsource services, we delivered year-over-year revenue growth with continued gross margin expansions. We added new clients to our platform while also exhibiting strong retention, while bottom-line performance benefited from both operating leverage and discipline cost management. While our outsource services focus continues to be on startups, scale-ups, and spin-outs, we are capitalizing on the broader venture funding environment by targeting venture-backed AI startups, where demand is increasingly robust. At the same time, we are advancing our AI strategy to support a rapidly expanding client base with scalable, technology-enabled solutions. This includes enhancing internal tools, evolving our go-to-market approach, and exploring new delivery models such as AI-enabled accounting agents and innovative pricing structures. To conclude, we remain focused on disciplined execution and delivering meaningful value for our clients as we wait for the demand environment to turn. With a diversified portfolio, strong client relationships, and a winning strategy, we are positioning RGP for sustained long-term growth and profitability. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Jen.

Thank you, Bidrash, and good afternoon, everyone. We delivered strong performance this quarter against our expectations. Revenue of $120.2 million, gross margin of 39.5%, and SG&A expense of $44.5 million all beat the favorable end of our outlook ranges. We also delivered improved adjusted EBITDA of $3.1 million, or a 2.5% adjusted EBITDA margin. We're pleased to see the return to growth in revenue for both our Europe and Asia PAC segments and outdoor services segments with 5% and 4% growth over the prior year quarter. Revenue within the on-demand and consulting segments continue to be soft as the operating environment in the U.S. remains choppy. This quarter, our continued focus on the number and quality of client outreaches and meetings. pipeline management, and cross-sell collaboration have yielded growth in the pipeline. Importantly, we believe the positive progress in our key operating metrics will lead to tangible improvement in revenue over time. Turning to profitability metrics, we achieved strong growth margin for the quarter at 39.5%, 300 basis point higher than the prior year quarter, and significantly better than the high end of our outlook range. Contributing to the strong growth margin are one, continued improvement in our average bill rate and expansion of the pay bill spread. Two, significant reduction in employee benefit costs, including healthcare costs, holiday and pay time off. And three, strategic management of our bench consultants utilization. Enterprise-wide average bill rate increased to $120 constant currency from $118 a year ago. The improvement came despite the revenue mix weighing more toward the Asia-Pac region, and as noted, we saw an 11% improvement in average bill rate in consulting, from $144 to $160. As we continue to execute our pricing strategy and move up the value chain to deliver higher value, larger scale engagement, we expect more upside in bill rates, especially in the consulting business. Now on to SG&A. Our enterprise run rate SG&A expense for the quarter was $44.5 million, a 7% improvement from $47.7 million a year ago, primarily driven by lower management compensation expense and reductions in other G&A spend, such as travel and occupancy. Subsequent to the quarter at the beginning of October, we further streamlined our organizational structure to right-size leadership layers and headcount through a reduction in force. We expect approximately $6 to $8 million of annual cost savings associated with this effort. Going forward, we will continue to pull the cost levers within our control to improve operating leverage. Next, I'll provide some additional color on segment performance. All year-over-year percentage comparisons for revenue are adjusted for business days and currency impact. And as a reminder, segment-adjusted EBITDA excludes certain shared corporate costs. Revenue for our on-demand segment was $44.4 million, a decline of 16% versus prior year. However, segment adjusted EBITDA improved to $4.4 million, or a margin of 10%, from $2.6 million, or a 4.9% margin in the prior year quarter. The notable improvement is primarily driven by our cost reduction effort in this segment. Revenue for our consulting segment was $43.6 million, a decline of 22% from the prior year. First quarter segment adjusted EBITDA was $5 million, or an 11.6% margin compared to 7.8 million, or a 14.1% margin in the prior year quarter. Turning to our Europe and Asia PAC segment, revenue was $19.9 million, a 5% growth from a prior year quarter, Segment adjusted EBITDA was $.8 million, or a 4.2% margin, both up from $.2 million and a 1.3% margin in the prior year. Finally, our outsourced services segment revenue was $10 million, up 4% compared to the prior year quarter. Segment adjusted EBITDA was $2.3 million, or a 23.3% margin, up from $1.4 million, or a 14.7% margin. driven by significant improvement in its gross margin as a result of more effective management of consultant utilization. Turning to liquidity, our balance sheet remains pristine with $77.5 million of cash and cash equivalents and zero outstanding debt. Quarterly dividend distributions total $2.3 million. With cash on hand, combined with available borrowing capacity under our credit facility, We will continue to take a balanced approach to capital allocation between investing in the business to drive growth and returning cash to shareholders through dividends and opportunistic share buybacks under our repurchase program, which has $79 million remaining at the end of the quarter. I'll now close with our second quarter outlook. Early second quarter weekly revenue run rate has been largely stable compared to the first quarter. We expect to maintain revenue stability through the second quarter, while continuing to push forward the momentum in the sales pipeline. I'll also note that while we have very limited U.S. government exposure and therefore are not materially impacted directly by our clients in the sector, the current government shutdown could lead to additional disruption in the operating environment. With that in mind, and based on our current revenue backlog and expectations on late-stage pipeline deals, our outlook cost for revenue of $115 to $120 million for the second quarter. On the gross margin front, we also expect similar trends to the first quarter with an outlook range of 38 to 39%, with Thanksgiving adding one additional holiday in the US compared to Q1. Second quarter run rate SG&A expense is expected to be in a range of $43 to $45 million, reflecting the benefit from our cost reduction efforts. Non-run rate and non-cash expenses will be around $5 million, consisting primarily of non-cash stock compensation and approximately $2 million of restructuring expense associated with the reduction in force. In closing, we continue to be laser focused on improving our sales execution as well as driving an efficient cost structure to deliver more value even in this operating environment. As better economic clarity emerges, For our customers and new business prospects, we will be well positioned for return to consolidated growth accompanied by even stronger profitability. This concludes our prepared remarks, and we will now open the call for Q&A.

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 1-1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 1-1 again. One moment for questions.

Our first question comes from Jessica Luce with North Coast Research.

She may proceed.

Hi. Good evening. Thank you for taking my questions. First, I would like to congratulate you on such a positive first quarter. Amazing results. And second, I have a question for you and then one brief follow-up. To start, what would you say regarding the trend in pricing? Are you seeing pricing pressure in any particular business?

Yeah. Hi, Jessica. This is Badrash. From a trending perspective, you know, in our staffing business, we have been able to keep our rates pretty steady. However, on the consulting side, you know, while we do see pricing pressures, the value we're bringing is warranting for us to be able to increase our rates, especially on that new projects that we're selling to our clients, which, you know, ultimately is bringing a different value to our clients than what we have historically from a professional staffing perspective because we're bringing thought leadership to those projects. So, There are pricing pressures for sure. Roles like operational accounting and things like that face a lot more pricing pressures from our space, but we're also pivoting away from those roles as AI and automation is taking over, and we're focused on more high-value roles, especially around ERP, data, supply chain, digital transformation, really aligned to the strategy that we've laid forth for our business.

All right, perfect. That's very helpful. Thank you. And then as for the follow-up question, I know that you guys are having success with cross-selling. Looking at your pipeline now, how much of the pipeline would you attribute to cross-selling?

I mean, you know, we're still building that pipeline, but the good news is that we continue to increase million-plus dollar deals into our pipeline. And we anticipate that with the motions we're playing across, you know, both our sales teams and our practice leaders and consulting that that pipeline to increase. and then for us to see the conversion as it relates to that increase.

Okay, awesome. I appreciate it. Thank you again for answering my questions, and another congratulations to the company on a great first quarter.

Thank you, Jessica.

Thank you. And as a reminder, to ask a question, please press star 1-1 on your telephone. One moment for questions. Our next question comes from Mark Marcon with Robert W. Baird. You may proceed.

Good afternoon. I was just wondering, with regards to the revenue guide that you gave us, Jen, can you break that out between the segments? And specifically, you know, what are you seeing for consulting and on-demand talent?

Yeah. Hi, Mark. Sure. um the revenue guys for q2 we're expecting across our business units you know our europe and asia pac region will continue to uh to to show strength uh as they did in q1 so we expect um continued strength in that if not it may get it might even get better than q1 um and in the other two segments on demand and consulting i you know the the trend is to be more or less the same And really, it depends on, especially on the consulting side, some of the deals in the pipeline in late stage and the timing of conversion of that. So I would say across all of our business units, performance in Q2 will be somewhat consistent with what you're seeing in Q1.

Yeah, Mark, it's Kate. Can I just add, I think it really depends on how quickly we can get some of this pipeline, especially the improving pipeline in CFO advisory data. You know, we do have, as Bidresh shared, a new leader who's very dynamic and has a very clear plan to improve our performance there. So, you know, he has shared that there's a lot of momentum right now. It just depends on how quickly I think we can move that through the pipeline.

Great. And then just with regards to on-demand and consulting within the U.S., any regional differences that you're seeing either from your West Coast operations or Chicago or the tri-state area?

Yeah, I mean, we are, you know, we are seeing a lot of demand in the West Coast and the Southeast as well. And I think it's really attributed to the teams and the tenure of the teams there. So overall in the market, we're seeing consistent kind of demand across our core offerings. You know, we've aligned in CFO advisory and digital transformation for a reason, because those are the two agendas that are moving in client spaces. And, you know, we're balancing this across, you know, the tenure and the leadership that we have in other markets and really building pipeline and, you know, work across those markets as well. Great.

And your new leader, where is he going to be based?

He's based in Washington, D.C., Northern Virginia, actually.

Okay.

Great.

Super. Thank you.

Thanks, Mark.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Judson Lindley with J.P.

Morgan. You may proceed.

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Maybe just the first one on this quarter's revenue. I know same-day constant currency revenues were down 13.9%. So could you maybe break out for me the delta between same-day constant currency and reported revenue growth? How much of that was from FX and how much was the day's impact?

Yeah. More day's impact, business day impact. There's some currency impact, but it's probably about a third of the business day impact. Most of it is, as you know, The first quarter, I think we had one less day in business days this quarter compared to last year.

Okay, great. Thank you very much. And then maybe as a follow-up, if there was any acquired revenue in the quarter, and if you could, maybe those same three components for the second quarter guide.

Yeah. In the first quarter, year over year, there's very little acquired. As you know, we acquired Reference Point. last year in the first quarter, a month into the first quarter last year.

So the inorganic piece is minimal. And then for the second quarter, if you could.

Yeah, for the second quarter, comparing year over year, at the top end of the guidance range, it's a 16% decline on a same-day constant currency basis.

Great. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Our next question comes from Joe Gomes with Noble Capital. You may proceed.

Good evening. Hi, Joe. Just a quick question. You know, when you talk to clients or potential clients, you know, what are they saying in terms of their general appetite to move forward and spend? And, you know, how has that changed over the past year if it's changed?

I would say it hasn't changed much, Joe. I think we're still in a choppy environment, as we've said before. I expect there's probably more of the same for the next couple of quarters. Every time I think people feel like we're getting more stability and the foundation is getting stable, then it seems like something else happens. You know, as Jen said, we don't have a lot of exposure to federal government or federal work, but, you know, it feels destabilizing when there's that level of uncertainty. And so we've reflected that in our outlook because we're just uncertain. As I said before, there is work that's progressing. I mean, there's some really interesting work we're talking to clients about right now. It just depends on how quickly we can progress that work. through our pipeline. I'm very impressed with some of the new talent we've brought into the organization, especially around, you know, whether you call it finance 4.0, which includes ERP, cloud migration, digital finance, automation, AI, data work, everything that's happening there. That work is progressing. I mean, it's happening in our client base right now. So, again, I think a lot of it is timing and making sure we're positioned and having the right conversations with clients.

Okay, great. Thanks for that. And one follow-up. In the summer, you guys did a board refresh and added two new members to the board. I was wondering what, if anything, they've brought to the board here that is kind of new or different ways of thinking or different approaches. that would be attributable to them?

Yeah, so let me speak to that. We have welcomed, I think, two strong board members. One brings more of a, I would say, private equity lens, if you will, to what we're doing, especially as we look at optimizing our bottom line performance, given that we all recognize the macro environment is difficult and difficult really across professional services. So that has been, I think, instructive for us to look at things with a fresh set of eyes. Our other board member brings a lot of operating experience and operating experience through transformation. And I think what we're learning from his experience is the importance of the behavioral changes that I've talked about. making sure that we're getting incentive comp right, making sure that we are creating collaborative teams to hunt and farm together and not creating silos or competitive mindset. So competitive, by that I mean against each other, not competitive to the broader marketplace. I think they're both good ads to our board and the work that we're undertaking right now.

Great. Thanks for that. I appreciate it. I'll get back to Q. Okay.

Thanks, Joe.

Thank you. I would now like to turn the call back over to Kate Duchesne for any closing remarks.

Yes, thank you. Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. I want to highlight that we will be participating in the Noble Capital Markets Emerging Growth Virtual Equity Conference tomorrow, so we hope to engage further with investors then. We'll also look forward to updating you on our strategic progress and results following Q2 in early January. Thanks again, everyone. Good night.

Thank you. This concludes the conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.