Renasant Corporation

Good day and welcome to the Renasant Corporation's third quarter earnings conference call and webcast. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star, then one on a touch-tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would like now to turn the conference over to Kelly Hutchinson, Chief Accounting Officer for Renasant. Please go ahead.

Good morning, and thank you for joining us for Renasant Corporation's 2024 Quarterly Webcast and Conference Call. Participating in the call today are members of Renasant's Executive Management Team. Before we begin, please note that many of our comments during this call will be forward-looking statements, which involve risk and uncertainty. There are many factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from the anticipated results or other expectations expressed in the forward-looking statements. Such factors include, but are not limited to, changes in the mix and cost of our funding sources, interest rate fluctuation, regulatory changes, portfolio performance, and other factors discussed in our recent filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our recently filed earnings release, which has been posted to our corporate site, www.renaissance.com, at the Press Releases link under the News and Market Data tab. We undertake no obligation, and we specifically disclaim any obligation, to update or revise forward-looking statements to reflect changed assumptions, the occurrence of unanticipated events, or changes to future operating results over time. In addition, some of the financial measures that we may discuss this morning are non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of the non-GAAP measures to the most comparable GAAP measures can be found in our earnings release. And now, I will turn the call over to our Executive Vice Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Mitch Waycaster.

Thank you, Kelly. We are pleased with the results for the third quarter. They reflect solid financial performance, the sale of our insurance agency, and the issuance of common equity earlier in the quarter. I want to acknowledge the hard work by our team to remain focused on our core operations while contributing to the successful achievement of a number of significant transactions for the company. Turning to the merger with The First, a few weeks following the merger announcement, we filed applications with regulators seeking approval for the combination. And yesterday, shareholders of both Renasant and The First approved the merger. We believe we have made solid progress on the other tasks necessary to complete the merger, and we still expect a closing in the first half of 2025, followed by a conversion in August. I will now turn the call over to Kevin for comments on financial trends in the quarter.

Thank you, Mitch. Before discussing our results for the quarter, I would like to echo Mitch's praise of Renasant team members for their outstanding efforts in the third quarter. I've been tremendously impressed by our employees' abilities to both successfully execute their day jobs while also contributing meaningfully to the work necessary to successfully bring Renasant and the First together. We're well underway in our integration plan to come together as one company, and we have not yet identified any operational issues that would interrupt our plans. I will now turn our attention to the third quarter financial results of Renaissance. Our reported earnings were $72.5 million, or $1.18 per diluted share. Included in these results is the after-tax gain on the sale of the assets of our insurance agency of $39 million, or $0.63 in diluted EPS. as well as after-tax merger and conversion expenses of $9.5 million, or $0.15 in diluted EPS. Excluding these items, our adjusted earnings for the quarter were $43 million, or $0.70 in diluted EPS compared to $0.69 in diluted EPS for the second quarter. Net interest income increased $6 million on a linked quarter basis. Some of this increase was driven from interest earned on the proceeds from our capital raise, but the remainder is attributable to the increase in loan yields outpacing the increase in deposit costs. Our team continues to be diligent in our loan pricing with yields increasing six basis points on a link quarter basis, but the success of the team is truly evident on the liability side of the balance sheet. Traditional deposits increased over $285 million from the second quarter. Equally important to note, non-interest-bearing deposits were flat quarter over quarter. Although pricing for deposits remains competitive throughout our footprint, the continued hard work in managing our deposit base has paid dividends. Our total deposit cost increased only four basis points during the quarter compared to an increase of 12 basis points during the second quarter. Reported non-interest income increased $50.5 million from the second quarter, excluding the aforementioned gain on the sale of the insurance agency. Adjusted non-interest income decreased $2.8 million quarter over quarter, primarily due to insurance commissions foregone as a result of the sale. Income from our mortgage division decreased $1.3 million on a link quarter basis. Overall volume was relatively flat. However, an increase in the fallout percentage of our pipeline as rates begin to fall during the quarter, coupled with a decrease in the gain on sale margin of 13 basis points, were the primary drivers of the decline in revenue from the second quarter. Reported non-interest expense was $122 million for the third quarter, excluding merger and conversion expenses of $11.3 million on a pre-tax basis. Non-interest expense was $110.7 million for the quarter, representing a decrease of $2.2 million on a link quarter basis. Discipline around expenses and leveraging our existing expense base continue to be top priorities as we progress toward integration with the first. I will now turn the call over to Jim.

Thank you, Kevin. As we walk through the quarter's results, I will reference slides from the earnings deck. Total assets grew $450 million due in large part to the proceeds from our capital raise and the sale of the insurance agency. Loan growth in the second quarter was $23 million. Loan production was strong during the quarter, but we experienced higher levels of pay downs, which resulted in the lower growth. On the liability side, we experienced another quarter of strong core deposit growth, which allowed us to continue to shift away from non-core funding sources. Referencing slide 8, all regulatory capital ratios are in excess of required minimums to be considered well capitalized. The capital raise, gain on sale of the insurance agency, and retained earnings contributed to a meaningful increase in these ratios on a linked quarter basis. Turning to asset quality, we recorded a credit loss provision on loans of $1.2 million Net charge-offs were $703,000, and the ACL, as a percentage of total loans, remained flat at 1.59%. Asset quality metrics are presented on page 9. Our criticized loans and total non-performing assets increase due to the downgrade of a few larger loans. We believe these loans are adequately reserved. Our strategy remains to proactively identify underperforming loans early and work quickly towards resolution in order to mitigate loss. Our profitability metrics are presented on slides 10 and 11. Excluding one-time items, all profitability metrics, with the exception of return on tangible equity, improved from the second quarter largely due to growth in net income and discipline around expenses. The capital raise had a negative impact on ROTC. Turning to slide 12, adjusted net interest margin, which excludes purchase accounting accretion and interest recoveries, increased three basis points to 3.32% for the quarter. Interest earned on the proceeds from our capital raise and the sale of the insurance agency contributed to the growth in net interest income and margin. And the good work by our team to grow core deposits and remain diligent in pricing continued a trend of declining increases in rates. We continue to focus on growing the core funding base. Kevin commented on the highlights within non-interest income and expense. We expect the balance of the year to include additional expenses related to the proposed merger with the first, but we remain committed to improving the profitability of Renasant on a standalone basis. I will now turn the call back over to Mitch.

Thank you, Jim. As you have heard, we had a very active quarter but do not want the noise of this activity to drown out the success we had during the quarter to improve the underlying financial performance. Our adjusted efficiency ratio decreased 198 basis points, and our adjusted return on average assets increased seven basis points on a linked quarter basis. We are enthusiastic about the opportunities ahead for Renasant as we work to create a top-performing bank operating in some of the Southeast's most vibrant markets. I will now turn the call over to the operator.

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touchtone phone. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw it, please press star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question comes from Catherine Mueller of KBW. Please go ahead.

Thanks. Good morning.

And Catherine?

I thought we could just start on the margin, you know, nice expansion this quarter. And just curious, as we think about, you know, next quarter will be helpful, but even as we kind of get into 25, how to think about your margin just with, you know, potentially more rate cuts coming than we, you know, previously have been talking about. And then maybe kind of if you could help us think about Renaissance as a standalone and then with FDMS. as well, what that does to your margin outlook. Thanks.

Good morning, Katherine. This is Jim.

Morning, Jim.

Good morning. So, I think we've talked the last couple of quarters. As we have these rate cuts, at least in the intermediate or near term, those cuts are going to have a modestly negative impact on margin and still feel that way. If we see two more cuts in Q4, I mean, they'll impact on it, but the 50 basis point cut that we've had, we generally see that having a modest negative impact on margin, and that smooths out over time, but near term, that would be the case. 25 is, there's a lot to wrap our arms around there, you know, Certainly standalone, but when you add the first to that mix, as I think we talked about some previously, I mean, the first is less asset sensitive than we are. So I would say at the top of the house, that's going to help our NIM response to further rate cuts in 25. Generally, they're going to moderate the negative impact. But to speak to, I mean, I'm not quite sure how NIMS is going to behave because it'll depend upon the size and the pace of those cuts. And if you throw the first in there, there's just a lot to think through. So 25 is, you know, we'll see how that plays out. But near term, again, going to your first part of your question, I do see some modest negative impact in the short term on NIMS.

On the deposit side, Can you talk about what you've seen so far on your deposit costs just with the 50 basis point cut? It was too late in the quarter to really see the impact in the third, but curious if you've got kind of spot rates or just kind of what beta you're seeing so far.

I mean, we've been really pleased with our deposit behavior. I think about we started at the beginning of the year, and we went through budgeting and sort of, you know, 24 – you know, numbers and what we thought was going to happen. We envisioned a very tough environment for non-interest-bearing deposits, and we thought we would see meaningful runoff there, and in fact, they're essentially pretty close to flat for the year, and I think this is the fifth consecutive quarter that we've seen deposit growth outpace loan growth, and we certainly would like to have more loan growth, but the deposit trends have been really good. We started cutting our specials back in June. I think we're down, I think our five-month special is around 4.25%, and that was 100 basis points higher in June. So we've been able to cut rates and certainly think we're heading into an environment where we're going to see more benefit there. So the deposit basis behaved really well and much better than we thought. So I'm optimistic on the deposit side.

Great. Thank you.

The next question comes from Michael Rose of Raymond James. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, everyone. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just going back to the loan question before, you know, I think we've seen a lot of banks, you know, see relatively muted growth this quarter. A lot are, you know, kind of citing, you know, uncertainty around the election and the economy and things like that, but still pipelines are good. Mitch, I was wondering if you could you know, kind of give us your usual pipeline breakdown and kind of, you know, at least what you would, you know, expect to see from a net growth perspective and if there's any paydowns upcoming that we should be aware of. Thanks.

Good morning, Michael. Excuse me. So, as you suggested, we'll start with the pipeline. And we go into the quarter at $176 million, which, again, is a good increase over where we started 3Q at 130. It's also Jim mentioned earlier in his opening comments that we saw good production, and we did. Actually, production within the quarter was 507 million, up from 390 million. I think both the pipeline and the production which grew throughout the quarter, and we saw pipeline growing throughout the quarter, I think, again, is just a testament to the good, vibrant, resilient markets that we're operating in. Back to your other question and point brings us to payoffs, and what we did see this quarter were a modest increase in payoffs. They went up to 551 The prior quarter was $410 million. If you look at the previous four quarters, that average would be $400 million. I believe the change in rate, we saw some sale of business. We saw some seasoned commercial real estate projects that – acted on being able to move out to secondary market. We saw private equity funds active in some of the sale of business. It's likely in the right environment that payoffs could be, you know, moving up some as we go into future quarters. I think for Renaissance, though, it comes back to our ability to produce in the markets, which, again, is reflected in this quarter's production, and it's reflected in the pipeline that we're seeing. And again, I won't go through percentages of each market, but if I did, you would see a pretty broad-based, both in the pipeline and production representation across the market. And as I usually comment, I think as important as the geography, it's the types. Again, this past quarter of that 507, Just under 15% of that was in consumer one to four, those that we would hold on portfolio. But another, and we always do well here, another 26% was in that small business, business banking. I would say less than 2.5 million in size. And then commercial credits above 2.5, C&I type credits, owner occupied, commercial real estate, represented about 28 percent. And then in our corporate banking, larger CNI, commercial real estate, asset-based lending, equipment finance, SBA, factoring, a number of business lines contributing with an additional 34 percent. All of that to say our average loan size remains in the $300,000 range. So we just, we continue to hit on many different cylinders. so both geographically and by product type. And we're doing that while remaining disciplined in our pricing and our underwriting. Jim commented on the granularity of our deposit base. That's true of our loan base, of our asset base. And we do remain optimistic as we go forward with our ability to continue to – you know, to grow a diversified loan and fund it with a diversified deposit portfolio. And coming to your last question, just looking forward, I would continue to say, much like we've seen this year in the low to mid single-digit net, which the variable there will be payoffs, what, you know, what we see in coming quarters.

Mitch, that's great. Color is always very, very helpful. Maybe as a follow-up, just because I got a headline that home sales hit the lowest level since 2010 and mortgage rates have actually moved higher over the past couple of weeks. Kevin, if you can just give us kind of an update on the mortgage business and kind of the trends that you're seeing there, and then assuming that we get some future additional rate cuts, I would expect hopefully that the You'd see a pickup in activity, but just wanted to get some just broader color from you. Thanks.

Yeah, no, Michael, thank you for the question. I think you summed it up well as we've seen the short end of the curve come down. What isn't talked about maybe as much or receives as much attention is how the longer end of the curve or the mid-range of the curve continues to remain flat, if not tick up a little bit. So, It's good that we have steepness in the curve. I think that helps us from a banking standpoint, but it absolutely puts pressure on mortgage. So mortgage continues to be a tough environment where we saw a pullback in rates early on in Q3. Some of that momentum abated a little bit as we got towards the end of the quarter. We still have a pipeline. It hasn't gone to zero. We're seeing activity. It just continued that the pipeline isn't building as much as maybe we expected on the anticipation of the Fed cutting rates. But to your question, if rates, if longer-term rates come down, we do expect an uptick in mortgage activity, and that should float. And we do think, as we've been talking about what we've done to rebuild our mortgage team, our production, we continue to be successful in hiring production talent throughout our markets. We expect that to be immediately realized as rates cooperate.

Okay, great. Maybe just one final quick one. You know, the deal, the first acquisition expected to close in the first half of next year. I know it's hard to predict these things, but glad to see the shareholder votes. Any sort of refinement of when we could, you know, potentially see the acquisition close either first or second quarter at this point? Or is it just too soon still to really understand?

So, Michael, I think it's more of the latter. I commented in the beginning just about the shareholder approval, which we both received yesterday. We're some 80 days at this point past the announcement and some 60-plus days past actually the application. And We're early in the process, but as I commented earlier, we've made solid progress on the tasks necessary to complete the merger. And, of course, you mentioned the shareholder vote, which both received yesterday. But things are going well. We still expect closing in the first half of 2025, pending regulatory approvals, and, of course, followed by a conversion in August.

The next question comes from Matt Olney of Stevens. Please go ahead.

Good morning. Thanks for taking the question, guys. Going back to the margin discussion, I was hoping to dig into the fixed asset repricing dynamic. Any more color you can provide on that fixed variable rate loans that will be repricing higher over the next few quarters? And specifically, I'm just looking for the dollar amount of these loans. I don't know, Jim, if you have a three-month or a 12-month schedule. Just looking for the dollar amount of that and then also on the yield side, kind of what they've been yielding more recently and color on kind of the new yields on that.

Good morning, Matt. So, yeah, hopefully this will be helpful. So in terms of variable and adjustable, at least in the near term, We're talking about roughly $5.5 billion on the loan side that we price. And I think that variable book today is yielding somewhere in the mid-7s. And if you look at our new and renewed, we've been, I think in Q3, we were sort of upper 7s. So I don't know how that'll play out exactly, but that'll give you a sense for the repricing. On the fixed rate side, We do have, call it $750 million or so that we price over the next 12 months. That piece of the fixed book is carrying about a 5% yield. And I think about that, plus we've got a couple hundred million dollars of securities that will generate a couple hundred million dollars in cash flows. And that book is yielding about 2%. And I know you didn't ask this, but I sort of think about, all right, what's sort of the flip side of that? And that's the deposit pricing. And we've got about not quite $4.5 billion of funding, and I include in that a small piece of the floating right debt part of our funding that we price immediately. So those are some of the offsets and hope that's helpful as you think about margin.

Yeah, Jim, that's helpful. Appreciate the details there. And I appreciate there's several moving parts there, but it sounds like based off your previous commentary, you are expecting a little bit of margin compression in the first quarter as the balance sheet digests the Fed move from September. Any way you can size it up for us as far as what to expect in the fourth quarter?

I'm going to go back to the description of modest, Matt, because So even though we're well into the quarter, predicting how that's going to play out is still, I think, more of an art than a science. But I don't think it's significant in material, but I do think it makes sense for us to think about there'll be some modest contraction. And then in Q1, if we had no further rate cuts, that would start to sort of even out. and plateau. But of course, 25, you know, at some point we'll have the first in the mix and we'll also have a better sense of further cuts and the magnitude of those cuts and the timing. So it's 25 is, the outlook there is, you know, is cloudy in terms of how that's all going to piece together. But again, near term, I don't want to be precise, but I do think there's some modest contraction in that margin.

Okay. No, I appreciate that, Jim. Definitely several moving parts. So I appreciate just the general commentary. I also want to ask about credit. I think there was a mention in prepared remarks about the downgrade of a few larger loans. Just any more code you can provide on those downgrades as far as industry or any themes?

Hey, Matt, this is David. Good morning. Good morning. Those asset classes or the asset classes, I guess, that we're seeing, we've seen stress in and we continue to see stress in. They've been, they were dominated by loans in the senior housing space. There were three loans in the senior housing space and one loan in the non-medical office space that really comprised the downgrade for the quarter. So it's, as Jim mentioned, open comments. It's a few loans that continues to be in the asset classes that we've seen some level of stress. We continue to monitor those loans aggressively to make sure we're looking forward to performance and so we can recognize those problems and work them out of the bank. So I would say, and I found it of note just of senior housing, if you took that asset class out of our criticized loans, that number dropped materially from a little over 3% to about 2.1%. So you can see there's a there's a stress level in one asset class. And so we think it's pretty isolated. It hasn't gone across to other asset classes at this point.

Our next question comes from David Bishop of the Hove Group. Please go ahead.

Yeah, good morning, gentlemen. I'm curious, you know, staying on that credit quality topic, obviously some good capital inflows from the insurance sale. Just curious, you know, is the simple answer, you know, the CECL accounting or the accounting prevents this, but maybe why not plow a little bit more of that back into the reserve or provision, you know, given the recent trends and criticizing classified, or is that maybe commentary on the reserves already provided or lost potential, maybe just thoughts there on the provision and reserve?

Hey, David, good morning. When we ran our CECL model for the quarter, we kind of let that model play out based on the inputs and loss rates and qualitative factors. And so we let that model play out. And as you know, it's a pretty healthy reserve at a 159 and quarter over quarter it stayed at a 159. There's some repositioning within the assets quarter over quarter that kind of led that to be. flat in spite of the increase in criticized. We had some reposition within asset classes. But really, we let the model continue to drive the output based on loss rates, Q factors, and just believe it to be a very healthy number based on where it stands today at 159.

Hey, David, Kevin, I may just add to that. I think if you look at our allowance, I know we're talking about this year and maybe last year, but I think it's worthwhile to go back to 2020 because that's when we really built our allowance and we built it as a result of the pandemic and, um, you know, the, the lasting effects of the pandemic and what it did on certain asset classes, uh, that there were, that there were paradigm paradigm shifts as it relates to work environments or, um, senior housing and how that, how that impacted those, uh, those asset classes. Um, that we felt it would take time for those stresses to play out in the portfolio. We weren't going to recognize real-time losses with charge-offs in the pandemic. It took time for these stresses to show up in the portfolio. And I think what we're trying to say with our allowancing methodology is the provision we provided in 2021 to build the allowance, it's playing out. We had a lot of concern with a lot of different asset classes in 20 and 21, and some of those concerns have abated. Some of those concerns have been confirmed. But I think what we're seeing is in senior housing, there continues to be stress, but we provided a lot for senior housing in 20 and 21. As it's evolved, office has continued to be a persistent problem, or maybe not a problem, but a concern. And we're just monitoring that concern and maintaining reserves, and, you know, if we need to use the reserves, we will. But I think we have a history of quick identification of problem loans, work to resolve it, and minimize loss. And that is the process that kind of underlines not only the CECL, but also just our loss recognition, loss identification and loss recognition, which I think is the whole basis and theory behind CECL.

Got it. Appreciate that color. And then final question for me, saw the slide, a little bit of an uptick in excess liquidity, cash and liquidity, you know, given the sales. Do you think you're going to operate around that level into the merger or use that for funding loan growth?

Dave, this is Jim. I hope it's the latter. You know, you heard Mitch's comments about loan growth, and we'll see how that plays out. But we'd like to think that that liquidity will, some of that will transfer into the loan bucket. If not, then you could see us potentially, and I think this would probably maybe happen anyway just given our deposit behavior, but you could see us purchasing some securities for the first time in, you know, quite a while. But certainly our preference is to put it to work in the loan book.

Got it. Thank you. Our next question comes from Steven Scouten of Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning, everyone. Maybe kind of a follow-up to that line of question, just kind of thinking about the security balances moving forward. I assume maybe similar ideology to the cash balances, a preference to put them into loans if possible, but looks like they could elevate as a percentage of the balance sheet pro forma with FDMS. So just kind of wondering how you're thinking about securities kind of into the close and on a pro forma basis as a percentage of the balance sheet.

Good morning, Stephen. So you're correct. I mean, as we sit here today, and certainly as of the June numbers, we haven't run it as of September, but I doubt that I would think it's relatively unchanged. you know, we're going to come out with a pretty healthy liquidity position pro forma for the first. And so, you know, I don't know exactly where we'll put that liquidity, but I do like the fact that we're going to be sitting on considerable liquidity and how we put it to work, we'll see. But again, the hope would be that a lot of that liquidity would go into the loan book. And I sort of think that's the, at least, as we think about the balance sheet, I think that's sort of the theme with the first. When we do get to closing, you know, the balance sheet, the Renaissance balance sheet is just, you know, strengthened considerably by the first and certainly by the capital raise that we completed. I mean, liquidity is up considerably to your point. Capital will be quite strong pro forma. And then we've got the prospect of accreting considerable capital, as you know, So whether it's liquidity or capital, I feel like we'll be in a little bit of a different place as we get to the latter half of 25 and 26 than we've been the last couple of years. Meaningful excess liquidity and meaningful capital, which to me just opens doors for other uses for those companies. that we really, I mean, they've been on the table historically, but are going to be potentially more actionable as we get in the latter part of 25 and 26. Okay.

Great. Very helpful there, Jim. Appreciate that. And then just, you know, Mitch, appreciate your earlier comments around loan pipeline and kind of how you're thinking about that relative to paydowns and such. I mean, with what you saw this quarter in elevated paydowns, do you think that could be a more persistent problem in the quarters ahead just as rates continue to come down? Do you think there's a backlog of CRE paydowns potentially that we have to work through before we can actually see maybe better loan growth trends at some point in 25?

So, Stephen, I think likely for the industry, for us and other banks, it would be logical that you could have CRE, I've referred to them as more seasoned projects, that have been on the sideline waiting, uh, you know, to, to move and put that cap, you know, exit those projects and go into a new project, which in itself will create, uh, additional loan production. So, uh, if someone like a, a treadmill, you know, it, it speeds up. So, uh, both production will elevate some as well as payoffs. So I think that's logical and, and, uh, future quarters. I, I think, uh, I think that you make a good point. I don't know that that would be overpronounced maybe would be another way to say it. I was really in my comments there, I was reflecting on our ability to broadly, both geographically and in our product types to produce. But I think just in that Cree space, I think you make a good point. And that's likely to play out at our bank and probably in others as well.

Yeah. Yeah. I think it would be an industry issue if anything, for sure. Not specific to any, to your bank for sure. But I guess if that were to happen, I'm just curious kind of coupling these two conversations together, increased capital and liquidity, more, more fuel to put to work, but the potential for some, you know, larger pay downs, theoretically, what could other avenues be for deployment of that liquidity? I mean, do you think about loan purchases at any point or, I don't know, new verticals or team lift-outs. They're just kind of thinking about what could be the next derivative of growth if we do have that impediment maybe to deploying that liquidity in your term.

Steven, this is Jim. I'll start and certainly welcome Kevin or Mitch chiming in. But I think it's some of the things you said. I mean, whether it's team lift-outs or how we think about, you know, remixing that balance sheet, again, I think it's sort of a different position than we've been in. And we've really enjoyed a great balance sheet, a really strong balance sheet, but it just gets so much stronger. And so obviously the first goal here is to keep our eyes on the first and a very successful integration. That's job one, to bring over that balance sheet and those earnings and to execute that successfully. But I think on top of that or away from that, certainly, whether it's sort of the non-bank, we've done a couple of small non-bank deals, as you know, and that's gone extremely well. Really pleased with what's happened there, particularly at RBC. That's just been a really good story for us. So, excuse me, whether it's smaller deals or lift outs and I think all that's open to us, and we're going to have, as you point out, we're going to have the capacity to act on it if those things come along.

Thanks, Stephen. This is Kevin. I'll just chime in. I think you laid out a really good answer kind of to your question is optionality that that cash and liquidity brings, right? Everything you mentioned is on the table. because we have that cash and liquidity, and it's only going to be enhanced with the first. But that kind of sums up why we've put such an emphasis on deposit growth, is cash is king, liquidity is king. It's a fundamental of banking, not necessarily lending, but deposit generation is a fundamental of banking. And as an industry, maybe we took our eye off that ball for 13 years. If you look over the last year, 12, 15 months, We are keenly focused on deposit growth, and I think you've seen it in our numbers. And we're okay if that loan deposit ratio creeps down because our deposit generation is outpacing loan growth because it gives us optionality of everything you just mentioned. And I think that's the position we want to be in. Let's keep options on the table, and then let's evaluate what's best for us to execute on at that time. But it all starts with that optionality that the liquidity and cash bring to the equation.

Yeah, the optionality is definitely exciting. Appreciate all the color there. Thank you, guys.

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Mitch Waycaster for any closing remarks.

Well, thank you, Alan. We will next meet with investors at the Piper Sandler Conference in Florida on November the 14th. And thank you to each of you for joining the call today and for your interest in Renaissance.

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.