11/20/2024

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you for standing by and welcome to the Renew Q2 2025 Earnings Report. All participants are in listen-only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question and answer session. If you wish to ask a question, you will need to press the star key followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. I would now like to hand the conference over to Ernest Shahi. Please go ahead.

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Ernest Shahi
Moderator

Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. We did put out a press release announcing results for fiscal 2025 second quarter, ended September 30th, 2024 last night. And a copy of the press release and the earnings presentation are available in the investor relations section on Renew's website at www.renew.com. With me today are Suman Sinha, our founder, chairman, and CEO, Kailash Vaswani, our CFO, and Vaishali Nigam-Sinha, co-founder and chairperson, sustainability. After the prepared remarks, which we expect will take about half an hour, we will open the call for questions. Please note, our Safe Harbor statements are contained within our press release, presentation materials, and materials available on our website. These statements are important and integral to all our remarks. There are risks and uncertainties that could cause our results to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements. So we encourage you to review the press release we furnish in our Form 6-K and the presentation on our website for a more complete description. Also contained in our press release, presentation materials, and annual report are certain non-IFRS measures that we reconciled to the most comparable IFRS measures And these reconciliations are also available on our website in the best release, presentation materials, and our annual report. It's now my pleasure to hand it over to Sumanth, who recently featured in Time's list of 100 Most Influential Leaders Driving Business Climate Action. Over to you, Sumanth.

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Sumanth Sinha
Founder, Chairman, and CEO

Yeah, thank you, Anand. Good morning, everyone. Good evening or good afternoon. I'm glad to have all of you on our earnings call. Before we get into our business, let me take note of extreme weather changes that we continue to see globally, underlining the urgent need to deliver sustainable sources of clean energy. From forest fires in the US to flash floods in Europe or the soaring AQI levels in northern India, which we are currently experiencing, we see more events that indicate that climate change is for real. Renew, of course, is doing its bit to fight this enormous challenge by changing the energy mix of India, the most populous country on the planet, with a growing energy demand and no alternative sources to fill the demand supply gap. Having said that, let me now turn to updates from our business. I am glad to inform our investors that we are on track to deliver the megawatts and accretive growth for the current fiscal year, along with expanding our contracted pipelines. we continue to strive towards reducing costs and building efficiency in our operations. Among all our peers, we have commissioned the most renewable energy megawatts in India in the first six months of this fiscal year. While our share price movement has been affected by U.S. macro factors, these factors actually have little or no bearing on our own business or growth or profitability as all of our business and operations are linked to the Indian economy that is in fact expected to grow at more than 7% this fiscal year. Turning to highlights for the quarter, we have commissioned 860 megawatts to date in this fiscal year and are on track to meet our guidance of installed megawatts. In addition to the 860 megawatts commissioned so far, there are another 350 to 400 megawatts that are currently installed, which should be largely commissioned in the third quarter. Our total operating capacity net of assets that we sold in the last fiscal year grew by approximately 30%. Our total portfolio in absolute terms grew by about 18% and would have been an even higher 21% after adjusting for the 400 megawatts that we sold last year. Including the approximately 700 megawatts capacity signed in October of this year, we have been able to sign PPAs for 2.9 gigawatts of renewable energy capacity in the current fiscal year, extending thereby our current portfolio from 13.8 gigawatts in September 24 to 16.3 gigawatts. That does not include 900 megawatt hours of battery storage capacity that are part of our complex projects. So just to say again, our current portfolio is 16.3 gigawatts of contracted capacity, including to that, another 900 megawatts of battery storage capacity, which is in addition to that. Turning to our financial performance, we reported a 14% growth in our adjusted EBITDA this quarter, driven by cost optimization. In addition, we had a 31% increase in profit after tax, primarily on account of lower G&A and lower finance costs. And Kailash will cover this in detail in the finance section. Our 6.4 gigawatt solar module manufacturing facilities are now fully operational. I am delighted to announce that recently our cell facility has started trial production of cells as well. While it is expected to take the rest of the fiscal year to stabilize cell operations, we expect that our entire cell and module facilities will be stabilized fully and will be operating for the full next fiscal year. In addition, We have now secured an external order book of over 900 megawatts, ensuring that our surplus capacity is sold in the market. Additionally, we are also listed as a Bloomberg Tier 1 supplier, underlining the quality that we have been able to create. Turning to page eight, we are committed to creating shareholder value, of course. Over the years, we have built a sustainable competitive advantage in one of the fastest growing markets globally, by raising capital to the cheapest source. We have grown responsibly, demonstrating capital discipline and taking up projects where returns are significantly above the cost of capital. Not only this, we have also created a platform with in-house manufacturing, EPC and O&M, bundled with our own digitization and data analytics. We are the leaders in complex solutions and one of the very few Indian IPPs to have commission over 2 gigawatts of renewable energy assets in a single year. Turning to page 9, we continue to be one of the leaders in terms of megawatts commissioned since Q3 of FI24, as we have commissioned 2.4 gigawatts, or about 25% of our portfolio, in this period of the last 12 months. Our operating megawatts have increased by around 30% after adjusting for asset sales that we did in the last 12 months. Fiscal year to date, we have done around 860 megawatts of commissioning, ensuring that we are on track to hit our megawatt target for the year. In addition, we also have about 350 megawatts of solar projects that are currently installed and are in the process of getting connected to the grid. We expect that the peak power project should also be fully commissioned this quarter, and so will the RTC wind phase two. We'll also start getting commissioned later this quarter. While our peers in the market have faced connectivity and supply chain issues, our strategy has ensured that we have not only secured interconnection approvals for our current bid wins, but also beyond that. That is for our bid wins, not just for the contracted capacity. Our in-house EPC teams have ensured that supply chain bottlenecks are sorted out and there is no shortage of materials for wind or solar sites. Additionally, we continue to demonstrate capital discipline as the auction markets continue to evolve at a rapid pace. As stated earlier, we don't target market share, but are focused on delivering returns above our cost of capital, targeting levered returns of 16 to 20%. And we have won around 1.4 gigawatts of additional capacity so far this fiscal year, where the expected returns have met our thresholds. Do note that while there are still over six gigawatts of bid wins with letters of award beyond our current portfolio that won't be included into our portfolio until the PP is signed, we are basing our construction principally around interconnection infrastructure availability. Turning to page 10, let me turn to updates from our manufacturing facilities. Getting into manufacturing was a strategic move to secure our supply chain. as India was moving to restrict imports of solar modules into India. This barrier meant that we needed to build our own facilities. The results are visible in the commissioning that we have been able to do in the last 12 months or so using our own solar modules. While the two module plants are fully ramped up, I'm happy to announce that our cell plant in Gujarat has also started trial production. Our plants are now featured in the Bloomberg Tier 1 module supplier list as well as a PVEL top performer 2024. Our external order book now stands at over 900 megawatts and is likely to grow and contribute to consolidated EBITDA. We will be able to provide more granularity on the FI26 projected numbers along with our FI25 results next year. In addition to securing supply, we are also looking to de-risk our capital by finding partners for the manufacturing business. Let me now hand it over to Kailash to talk more about the financial updates. Kailash, over to you.

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Kailash Vaswani
CFO

Thanks, Samant. Turning to slide 12, we continue to deliver consistent growth in megawatt and profitability. Since the same time last year, we have constructed over 2.4 gigawatt of projects and nearly 30% increase in operating capacity after adjusting for the 400 megawatt sold during last year. Not only this, but I'm also happy to report a 31% increase in profit after tax year on year. This has been possible through a continued focus on cost control and building efficiency in our operations. We also continue to expand our contracted pipeline with a 21% increase in the portfolio adjusted for asset sales that we have made during the year. And our contracted portfolio now stands at 16.3 gigawatt. There has been an 18 days reduction year on year in the debtor sales outstanding which follows the trend that we have been able to deliver over the past two years. There's been a sequential uptick, but that largely reflects the seasonality, primarily due to higher revenue earned during Q1 and Q2 to be earned in Q3. We expect lower DSOs in the following two quarters. On slide nine, in addition to profitability, we are also focused on generating cash from our projects. Our cash from operating activities has been increasing to almost 20.1 billion in this quarter. It's almost a 10% increase year on year. Cash profit, a non-GAAP measure to showcase our P&L on a cash basis, increased by 31% to 9.2 billion. From 9.2 billion to 12.1 billion rupees for the quarter. Turning to slide 14, net debt to EBITDA leverage at the operating asset level continues to be below 6X, a threshold that we have set for ourselves. On a trailing 12-month basis, leverage was around 5.9X. including our under-construction portfolio, the contribution from JV partners in the form of compulsory convertible instruments, and our manufacturing and transmission businesses. As we continue to grow our portfolio, the proportion of under-construction projects should come down and will improve the ratios in addition to our efforts to be disciplined in our approach towards capital deployment. Turning to page 15, we have had questions about how we derive returns from our financials given the distortion between growth and other businesses' which we've done. What this slide shows is that we build up our assets at seven to seven and a half times project cost to EBITDA. The projects are funded 75-25 in the ratio of debt to equity. And hence, typically the project debt levels are expected to remain around five and a half times, you know, debt by EBITDA in the initial years of the project. And the interest and depreciation ends up providing us with a tax shield on that. While generally we assume no asset recycling while bidding for projects, we have demonstrated the value creation in several transactions wherein we've been able to sell the assets between nine to nine and a half times EV builder or two times price to book, creating additional value and raising low-cost equity for growth, and which currently remains for us the cheapest source of equity to grow our pipeline. Let me now hand it over to Vaishali for comments on ESG.

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Vaishali Nigam-Sinha
Co-founder and Chairperson, Sustainability

Thank you, Kailash. Turning to page 17, With a strong performance in the first quarter and the successful release of our inaugural annual integrated report, making significant strides towards achieving our sustainability targets, we're pleased to present the updates for the second quarter of fiscal year 25. Renew is committed to leading the way and to meet its net zero targets. I'd like to highlight a few. We've achieved carbon neutrality for the fourth consecutive year, and showcasing 10% reduction in scope one and two. Renewal is focused on enhancing the ESG ratings. As part of this effort, we've strengthened and developed key policies, including the board diversity, stakeholder engagement, and data privacy policies, all of which are available on our website. Social responsibility has been integral to our business. Our CSR journey began in 2014 and since then we have impacted the lives of over 1.4 million people across 500 plus villages in India spanning over 10 states. Turning to page 18, I would now like to switch to some of our efforts for Q2 fiscal year 25. Women for Climate. This is a socio-economic empowerment program which is focused on building climate resilience where we have trained over 450 women salt pan farmers. Employee-driven programs. We have programs led by our employees ensuring sustainable, equitable, and responsible growth. Our volunteering campaigns cover rice bucket challenge which is donating rice to needy and contributing towards a hunger-free India where we've distributed over 210,000 kilos of rice. Renew has been recognized for its sustained efforts in advancing sustainability. Turning to page 19, switching to showcase some marquee recognitions for Q2 fiscal year 25. At the Ministry of New and Renewable Energy's flagship event, REinvest, Renew solidified its position as a market leader across different categories. The prestigious Sword of Honor Award was earned by Renew's hydropower plant for safety. We were placed on the 18th position in the Energy Innovators Group in Fortune's renowned Change the World list. Turning to page 20, showcasing our progress, update on ESG targets for Q2 F525. Advancing to the second phase of our sustainable supply chain assessment set to begin this quarter, we focused on supply evaluations, recognition initiatives, and capacity building efforts which are so critical in this sector. We maintained our AA rating with MSCI, securing a position in the leadership band. We have also submitted our 2024 responses for CDP and CSA with submissions to MSCI and Refinitiv planned for the next quarter. So we are on our sustainability journey and it's on track. We have also identified 46 schools for electrification across Rajasthan and Maharashtra in collaboration with HSBC. Additionally, four digital labs were established in Uttarakhand and 25 entrepreneurs received support through the Green Tech Accelerator Program. Let me now hand it back or over to Sumanth for guidance. Thank you.

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Sumanth Sinha
Founder, Chairman, and CEO

Yeah, thank you, Vishali. Coming to our guidance, we are reaffirming our megawatts in spite of some challenges in wind execution and adjusted EBITDA guidance. We have also updated guidance for our updated contracted portfolio of 16.3 gigawatts. Do note that seasonally, our Q3 numbers are normally lower than the Q2 numbers due to weather patterns. With that, we will be happy to take any questions. Ananya, over to you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star 2. If you're on a speakerphone, please pick up the handset to ask your question. Your first question comes from Justin Clair with Roth Capital Partners.

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Justin Clair
Roth Capital Partners

Hey, good morning. Thanks for taking the questions here. So first, I wanted to ask about the RTC project. So it looks like it's planned for completion still in the second half of fiscal 2025. But it looks like it's subject to the transmission readiness. So I was wondering if you could just provide a little bit more detail on whether you think the transmission will be ready in time or if there's a potential for delay. And also wondering if this is a case where you think with this RTC project you might end up selling in the merchant market before you end up selling under the PPA.

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Sumanth Sinha
Founder, Chairman, and CEO

Yeah, Arun, should I take that?

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Ernest Shahi
Moderator

Yes, go ahead.

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Sumanth Sinha
Founder, Chairman, and CEO

Okay. Yeah, Justin, hi. So yeah, the RTC project will be ready in the second half of this year. And as far as the transmission part is concerned, no, I don't think there's any delay that we expect to have on account of the transmission or the interconnect. I think all of that is pretty much on track. So I don't see that delaying matters. And to the extent that we are able to commission certain parts of the project ahead of the final commissioning, to some extent we can sell that in the merchant market. But the way the PPA was structured, it meant that up to the first 400 megawatts of delivered capacity, we would have to sell to the end customers. And it's only when we generate capacities higher than 400 megawatts are we able to sell that part of the market, that part of the capacity into the merchant market. So there will be some sales in the merchant market, but small amounts. which is, by the way, dissimilar to what is happening on the peak power project where we are being able to send into the merchant market whatever is, in fact, commissioned so far. So it's just people have adopted differently and, therefore, had different outcomes for party commission capacity.

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Justin Clair
Roth Capital Partners

Okay. Okay. That makes sense. Thanks. Thanks. And then also wondering if you could just comment on the new proposed restriction for cell manufacturing with the intention to eliminate cell imports. Does that affect your thinking on your manufacturing plan, your plans for capacity here? And then just wondering if, you know, do you think your 2.5 gigawatts of cell capacity will be sufficient or could you look at expanding that?

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Sumanth Sinha
Founder, Chairman, and CEO

Yeah, so the government is quite actively thinking of imposing an ALMM for cells starting in April 2026. So there's still about 18 months left for that to happen. So the government is giving significant advance notice that this is something that is likely to come, you know, in the near future. And so that gives us time to plan for our own response to that. And the most sensible response for us would be, in fact, to expand our cell capacity to a point where it meets at least, at the very least, our own internal requirements. So that's something that we are actively considering at this point, but we haven't taken a final decision on that yet. But yeah, that would, in fact, be the sensible thing for us to consider doing.

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Justin Clair
Roth Capital Partners

Okay, got it. Appreciate it. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Your next question comes from Mahid Manloy with Mizuho.

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Mahid Manloy
Mizuho

Hey, hi. Thanks for taking the questions here. I think an impressive job on the cost optimization. Could you just maybe touch upon that as to what drove that and how to think about the cost optimization? Maybe if I can tag on that, like if I look at the medium-term I think you have only 700 megawatts of more build-outs, but the EBITDA increase or the CFE increase is much higher than that ratio. So it looks like you expect more cost cuts or optimizations in the medium term as well. So could you just touch upon those? What are the drivers for that? Thanks.

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Sumanth Sinha
Founder, Chairman, and CEO

Yeah, Kailash, do you want to take that? Yeah, sure, Samant.

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Kailash Vaswani
CFO

So, Mohit, basically on cost, what we have been doing is that there's been a lot of optimization program that we've been running within the company, and a lot of discretionary spends are being canceled, given the underperformance that we have been seeing as far as wind is concerned. Also, we have managed to renegotiate a lot with some of our OEMs on some of the OEM contracts for our earlier wind projects. So that helped us also reduce the cost on existing projects on a going forward basis. And also enabled us to write back some provisions that we had kept in the form of equalization reserves. So we expect that, you know, some of these benefits will continue into the future. And the idea is to obviously now grow the portfolio from here on without incurring any significant additional cost as far as manpower and all is concerned. and get the benefits of whatever operating leverage we can get.

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Mahid Manloy
Mizuho

Gotcha. And then just to also maybe clarify on that, that 700 megawatt which is adding to your medium term, that PPA is more or less in line with recent PPAs or how to think about the PPA price? Because I was trying to find the when and couldn't find any details online.

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Kailash Vaswani
CFO

Yeah, so these projects have all been won within the last one, one and a half years. So the returns are within our thresholds, as we've been discussing.

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Mahid Manloy
Mizuho

Karen, and then separately, just looking at the FDRE and the hybrid projects, I think you had... some changes possible on the solar and the wind mix in those winds over there. Could you clarify what's driving that? I know you kind of talked about transmission being an issue, but when would you know that and any other reason which was driving that? And how should we think about the impact on the IRRs? Does doing more solar, for example, increase the IRRs here, or how should we think about that? Thanks.

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Sumanth Sinha
Founder, Chairman, and CEO

Yeah, if you want me to take that, I can. So, Maheep, basically what's happening is that from the time that we run some of these bids, prices have obviously moved, and equipment costs have, particularly in the case of solar, have come down quite sharply, and so have the cost of batteries. And what that is allowing us to do is to reconfigure some of these plants in a way that, therefore, there is likely to be more solar and more batteries in them and less wind. which also is something that will mean less variability because, as you know, we've had a lot of variability on wind speeds and so on. So we are quite happy to, therefore, decrease the relative amount of wind in some of these projects. And the net result of all of this, in our minds, is that the IRRs are actually improving by doing this reconfiguration and hopefully with less variability associated with them. So that's what we have done for a lot of our RTC and FDRE projects that we have run recently on the last couple of years.

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Mahid Manloy
Mizuho

But to your point, there's more flexibility on the PPS side, and you'll still be in that 12%, 16% levered IRR.

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Sumanth Sinha
Founder, Chairman, and CEO

No, no, much more than that. See, these are all bids that we have run in the last 18 months. And frankly, a lot of them in the time period of six months to 18 months back. And as I said, equipment costs have been coming down over this time period. So when we won these bids, they were already at attractive IRRs. By doing the reconfiguration, we're actually able to increase IRRs even more. So I think they're all at the higher end of our threshold level.

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Mahid Manloy
Mizuho

Gotcha. And then maybe just like one last one from me and I'll hand over to others. On that 900 megawatt cell and module order, I think that's 600 last quarter just for modules. How much of that is international? I know I've seen you guys in international conferences or trade shows, but I'm just curious if it's all India or do you have some international?

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Sumanth Sinha
Founder, Chairman, and CEO

At this point, Mahit, this is all India.

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Mahid Manloy
Mizuho

Gotcha. Perfect. Thanks.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Your next question comes from Nikhil Nagania with Bernstein.

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Nikhil Nagania
Bernstein

Yeah, thank you for taking my question. My first question is regarding the PPAs. So I wanted to understand, I'm good to see the wins by Renew and the tariffs that are happening, but are we seeing a slowdown in tendering activity in India or slowdown in signing of PPAs, given the big quantum that we saw happen last year and early this fiscal year as well?

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Sumanth Sinha
Founder, Chairman, and CEO

So, Nikhil, we haven't yet seen a slowdown in the bidding process, although there have been more sort of discussions around it within government corridors. And so that is something that you may see happening in the future. But at this point, everybody continues to bid out capacities. I guess the key issue is what is the amount of PPA conversion that is happening? And that, as we all know, there is a gap. And there's about 40 gigawatts of PPAs that have not yet been signed off all the auctions that have happened.

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Nikhil Nagania
Bernstein

And related point was, I also see some legacy PPAs that we have, for example, SECI 11 for wind, where tariffs are quite below the tariffs we are seeing right now. Is there any option to exit some of those legacy contracts which we have not built?

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Sumanth Sinha
Founder, Chairman, and CEO

Yeah, so, you know, actually a lot of these contracts have a lot of complexity associated with them because in a number of cases, the PPS got signed after a very long time and, you know, our contention is that it's not fair to hold us accountable for bids that might have happened, you know, a year, two years prior to when the PPS are finally in the process of getting signed. So a lot of those are under discussion right now with the regulatory authorities and the bidding agencies to see whether, in fact, those should be proceeded with at all or not. And of course, our downside is that in case we, you know, don't do it and the bidding agencies say, no, no, you should have, then of course there is a PP amount, there is a BG amount that would be, you know, penalty that would be leviable. But that in some ways that bounds the downside that we have. So that's really where we are. But of course, our first attempt is to be able to demonstrate that some of these projects were By the time they got signed, things had changed.

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Nikhil Nagania
Bernstein

Understood. Thanks. The third question and the last set of questions I have is regarding the module business. Again, very timely commissioning of the module plant and now the cell plant. Given most of it is to be used internally, I wanted to understand if you had to compare ballpark capex per megawatt for a solar plant with the in-house manufacturing versus without, where do things change? where would we indicate if we place it also, which would give us the benefit that you get from it. And we, uh, this entire point four gigawatt module at two and a half gigawatt, uh, sell, uh, am I correct to assume it's Monopark and not Topcon?

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Sumanth Sinha
Founder, Chairman, and CEO

Yeah, the, the, so many questions there. So let me try to unpack them. The module lines are, uh, were initially set up as Monopark, but are being entirely converted to Topcon. Uh, most of the conversion has already happened. We have eight lines altogether. I think six or seven of those lines have already got converted. The conversion for module line from Monoperc to Topcon is relatively straightforward. It takes a couple of weeks. So that is all happening. The cell lines are Monoperc lines and those will continue to operate that way. We may consider converting them to Topcon depending on the cost and the requirement and so on. But at this point, they are Monoperc. The Question that you asked, which is what is the advantage that we are getting? You know, the flip side to look at it is that what is the margin that we are making in the cell manufacturing business for third party sales? I guess that is in some ways, you know, an estimate or giving us a pointer to, you know, what the prices, the benefit that we're getting. And it's actually quite sizable, to be very honest with you, because we all know that margins in the solar manufacturing business are reasonably high right now. And how long they stay, of course, is a different matter. But today they are high. And so had we been buying from the market, I would say there would be at least one and a half to two cent differential that you would have had to pay. But having our own manufacturing capacity, therefore, allows us to not have to pay that extra cost. So I think that is the benefit that we're getting from having in-house manufacturing. Now, of course, internally we have arms line pricing between the two businesses, but of course it all gets consolidated out for internal sales. Just to also add that not all of our solar manufacturing is going to go in-house. We expect about 50 to 60% of the modules to be delivered in-house. And the balance will get sold externally. And so to the extent that prices stay high, to that extent we will get benefit in our solar manufacturing business on third-party sales. Now, the guidance on that we're not giving because this year was in some way the startup year for us. So we didn't give any guidance for this year. And for next year, as we get closer to that point and once we get a better sense of our order book and so on, and likely pricing levels, we'll then at that point give guidance for the solar manufacturing business separately.

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Nikhil Nagania
Bernstein

Very clear. Thank you so much for answering my questions.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Your next question comes from Aniket Mittal with SBI Mutual Fund.

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Aniket Mittal
SBI Mutual Fund

Yes, thank you. A few questions. Firstly, just to get some clarity on the wind PLFs, again, the average PLFs for the quarter are down about 300 basis points to 38.3%. If you could just elaborate the reasons for that, and typically how far away would this be from P90 levels?

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Sumanth Sinha
Founder, Chairman, and CEO

Yeah, so, you know, Aniket, forecasting wind, you know, and therefore assuming What is the right P-75, of course, is an assessment that we make. And somebody else's assessment could be higher or could be lower depending on how they go about doing it. We are tending to be relatively conservative on these forecasts because obviously wind has not been kind to us over the last four or five years now. So it's something that has in some ways impacted or shaped our view on what assumptions to make for wind PLS going forward. But Just to give you an answer to that question, specifically, the 300 basis points probably is at the P90 level, away from the P75 that we would have assumed. Last year was just, you know, at the 41.3% was just two, three percentage points below what we would have assumed to be the P75. And this year being points below that would get us to maybe P85 and P90. So that would be the performance likely from this year's win so far. Now, of course, there is another five, six months still left, and we have to see what happens. And there could be changes in that as well.

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Aniket Mittal
SBI Mutual Fund

Okay. I got that. That's actually helpful. The other question was specifically on the CNI portfolio. We've got a fairly large, I think, close to 1.3 gigawatt in construction. If you could just give me a bit more granularity, let's say on the execution timelines over here, and are there any challenges that are currently facing on the CNI platform?

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Sumanth Sinha
Founder, Chairman, and CEO

So, Aniket, half of that 1.3 is likely to get commissioned this year, and I'm giving you a ballpark number, and the balance would probably get done next year. There are no challenges that we are facing in the CNI business per se. I think everything is going very smoothly in that business. We are actually, there's a lot of demand in the market. We're actually turning back a lot of people that are coming to us because their projects are perhaps too small or in states where we may not have development capacity. And we are really, from our side, focusing on the larger off-takers, people typically at 100 megawatts and above type level. And the U.S. large tech companies. I think those are the areas that we are looking at right now. And there seems to be a lot of interest and appetite from all of these segments of the market. And our sense is that we should be able to get easily up to 15% of our total every year capacity coming in from the CNI segment.

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Aniket Mittal
SBI Mutual Fund

Fantastic. Lastly, just in the finance course, if I look at the balance sheet, on a YY basis, our gross debt is up almost 19%. But our finance costs have been stable. I understand some of this would still be within CWIP. But still, we've put a fairly good control on the interest costs for the quarter. If you could just highlight, why is that happening?

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Kailash Vaswani
CFO

Yeah, so what's happening as far as finance cost is concerned, we were hit by mark-to-market movements because of the open exposure that we had earlier on rupee-dollar exchange rate. And what we've done since then is that we have put all those into firm hedges where there is no mark-to-market impact. So that is contributing a lot as far as our finance cost stabilization is concerned. Secondly, we've also done some refinancing of high-cost debt We had made some announcements that, you know, we had bonds that matured and we refinanced that when we got a 200 basis point saving as far as finance costs was concerned. So all that is also being reflected now in the numbers, you know, on a reported basis.

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Aniket Mittal
SBI Mutual Fund

Okay. Just one last question if I may squeeze it. In one of the earlier questions you highlighted on the other expenses, there's some write-back that you've done on certain provisions. Could you quantify that number? What's the write-back that's sitting in other expenses?

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Kailash Vaswani
CFO

So because we had O&M equalization reserve earlier, which was built at a certain level of O&M cost, because we managed to reduce our O&M cost, we were able to reverse that provision. So that was somewhere in the range of around 60 crore rupees.

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Aniket Mittal
SBI Mutual Fund

Okay. Got that. Those are the questions.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Your next question comes from with HSBC.

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Puneet
HSBC

Yeah, thank you so much. My first question is with respect to your, you know, EBITDA guidance for 16.3 gigawatts and a few quarters back you talked about, you know, re-evaluating numbers in the land of variability of wind. Does the 16.6 gigawatt rendered EBITDA that you've given in your presentation now factor in poor PLF on wind or is it still more on normalized spaces?

speaker
Kailash Vaswani
CFO

Yeah, so we have... Yeah, Yasham. So, Punit, we have taken some normalization from our initial estimates, but doesn't reflect, you know, the year's performance, for example, because, you know, we are still seeing current performance being affected by, you know, near-term trends, which are likely to reverse in the longer term. But there has been some adjustment that has already been factored in.

speaker
Puneet
HSBC

But there could be room for some more adjustments in this as well.

speaker
Kailash Vaswani
CFO

So again, you know, the thing is that, you know, when we do our planning, we assume that there will be normalized wind and, you know, because of actual performance, there could be some variation. So again, I can confirm to you that we have assumed some adjustment to our earlier estimates to assume make more normalized estimate basis the last few years track record. But year on year, there is still some variability which may still be there. Interesting.

speaker
Puneet
HSBC

And on your modules, you said half are sold. What is the plan for sales? Is there a thought to see the U.S. market as well?

speaker
Sumanth Sinha
Founder, Chairman, and CEO

So, Puneet, on sales, I mean, to the extent that we can tap into that market, of course, you would like to do that. There's no question. But it really all depends on how open that market is, what is the total, you know, what is the pricing we can get there, what is the pricing we can get in India, Right now in India, the DCR market is also very attractive and it's giving us very good margins. And so we are quite, with whatever surplus we have, we're happy to sell into that market right now. But having said that, as Maheep said, we are keeping our eyes and ears open for selling into the US market as well. We are participating in a lot of the conversations that are going on there. So yes, I think to the extent that we can sell into that market and it gives us better Margins, definitely we will be looking at doing that.

speaker
Puneet
HSBC

So what is your assessment of the pricing for the DCR market in the sales side currently?

speaker
Sumanth Sinha
Founder, Chairman, and CEO

What is the pricing? See, it's a function of what is the prefer cost. So, you know, at least internally, we tend to think of it more in terms of what is the margin that we're getting for conversion. And that is not something that we've disclosed so far. And I don't want to just give you, you know, a number just like that. I think we'll work it out. We'll sort of look at exactly what and how we want to disclose it, and then we'll come back. The only thing I would say is that the margins that we are getting, both for modules and sales right now, are actually quite attractive. And that is, in fact, being reflected, as you can see, in the profitability of some of our peer group companies in the segment right now. So some benefit of that, we're also seeing that in our solar business.

speaker
Puneet
HSBC

And after the 2.6 gigawatts that you've already produced, how much has been sold outside so far?

speaker
Sumanth Sinha
Founder, Chairman, and CEO

I can't give you an exact number, Puneet. Anand and Kailash, would you guys know?

speaker
Kailash Vaswani
CFO

It's right now less than 100 megawatts.

speaker
Puneet
HSBC

Okay. That's it. Thank you so much and all the best.

speaker
Operator
Conference Operator

Once again, if you wish to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. Your next question comes from Macaulay Smith with 91.

speaker
Macaulay Smith
91

Hi, thanks. You've answered most of my questions. I just wondered if you could give any guidance on CapEx for the remainder of the year.

speaker
Sumanth Sinha
Founder, Chairman, and CEO

Yes, Lars.

speaker
Kailash Vaswani
CFO

Yeah, so most of the capex for the remainder of the year has already been incurred. I would say that maybe we have a few solar projects in which some capex work is going on. That would be somewhere in the range of around $200 to $250 million. Okay.

speaker
Macaulay Smith
91

Just for the capacity at the end of the year, what are your expectations on commissioned, total commissioned capacity?

speaker
Kailash Vaswani
CFO

So, you know, we have given guidance of, you know, doing between 1.8 to 2.4 gigawatt. I think, you know, we are still tracking within that range, 1.9 to 2.4. So that will take us to somewhere around 11.5 gigawatt in that ballpark.

speaker
Macaulay Smith
91

Okay. Thank you. That was all my questions.

speaker
Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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