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spk02: Greetings and welcome to Gibraltar Industries' fourth quarter 2023 financial results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce Carolyn Capaccio, LHA Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.
spk06: Thanks, Operator. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. With me on the call is Bill Bosway, Gibraltar Industries Chairman, President, and Chief Executive Officer, and Tim Murphy, Gibraltar's Chief Financial Officer. The earnings press release that was issued this morning, as well as a slide presentation that management will use during the call, are both available in the Investors section of the company's website, GibraltarOne.com. Gibraltar's earnings press release and remarks contain non-GAAP financial measures. Tables of reconciliation of GAAP to adjusted financial measures can be found in the earnings press release that was issued today. Also, as noted on slide two of the presentation, the earnings press release and slide presentation contain forward-looking statements with respect to future financial results. These statements are not guarantees of future performance, and the company's actual results may differ materially from the anticipated events performance, or results expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements. Gibraltar advises you to read the risk factors detailed in its SEC filings, which can be accessed through the company's website. Now I'll turn the call over to Bill Bosway. Bill?
spk05: Bill Bosway Thanks, Carolyn. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining today's call. We'll start with an overview of fourth quarter and full-year 2023 results, and Tim will take you through our financial performance, and I'll walk you through our 2024 outlook And then we'll open the call for your questions. So let's turn to slide three, titled 2023 Year in Review. We delivered a strong finish to a very good year for Gibraltar, and I like our momentum as we move forward. In 2023, we expanded our market leadership positions. We continue to improve our quality of earnings and generate strong cash flow. Our residential and infrastructure businesses delivered solid growth and strong margin expansion. And renewables delivered excellent margin expansion despite ongoing industry headwinds impacting revenue. For the year, adjusted operating income grew 16%, adjusted EBITDA grew 15%, and adjusted EPS grew 21% on essentially flat sales. Through solid margin expansion and improvement in working capital, we generated $218 million of operating cash flow and a free cash flow rate to sales of 15%. In the fourth quarter, all four segments contributed net sales growth. demonstrating solid momentum going forward, and booking strength resulted in the backlog being up 10% as we closed out the year. As well, our recent acquisitions and residential executed to plan, and during the fourth quarter, we further optimized our portfolio by divesting our small non-strategic solar business located in Japan. In all, we had a very productive year, and I'm incredibly proud of our entire organization for staying focused on what matters most, doing things the right way, and building a stronger foundation for the future. We enter the new year with solid in-market fundamentals, improving market conditions and renewables and ag tech in markets, and a more scalable and efficient operating engine, and we look forward to another strong year in 2024. Let's turn to slide four for an update on the solar market. Although the overall industry has improved, there remain some short-term headwinds that the industry is navigating through. First, the industry is waiting on the Department of Treasury to issue final guidelines on IRA tax credits, specifically a 10% domestic content bonus. The delay of these guidelines, particularly in this high interest rate environment, has caused some customers to pause finalizing and executing projects as they try to pin down project economics and returns and therefore project financing. The most recent consensus is that the guidelines are expected in the first or second quarter of 2024. Secondly, permitting delays at the local level are impacting some customer project start dates, so the situation is improving as local government offices add capacity to support normalized demand levels. For our customers, each permit situation is unique to a location and local government office, and ultimately, project schedule changes create a timing impact for revenue. For context, historically, we experienced about 10% of our planned revenue to shift from one quarter to the next or to a future quarter, Toward the end of 2022 and for the first three quarters of 2023, we experienced a revenue shift of approximately 25%, which is a significant change to historical norms. We started to see the situation improve during the fourth quarter, which is reflected in our business generating positive growth in the quarter. With respect to module supply, it continues to improve and be less of a headwind for our customers. For the UFLTA, importers continue to move up the enforcement learning curve, and there seems to be much more consistency in flow and availability of modules. In regard to the Department of Commerce anti-dumping and countervailing duty case, as of now, three of the eight module suppliers investigated by the DOC are expected to export modules to the U.S., are able to export modules to the U.S. without duty. An executive order from the administration to waive tariffs for two years has remained in force and will so until June 2024. In December, The plaintiff in the original case sued the Department of Commerce and the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Agency for not collecting duties on Southeast Asian imports, claiming the Department of Commerce was not required to follow administration's executive order. The plaintiff has asked the U.S. Court of International Trade to end the tariff waiver and open up the opportunity for retroactive duties on modules imported from Southeast Asia. It is challenging to predict the timing and outcome of the current legal situation, but regardless of where it lands, customers have been preparing for the executive order to end in June, and they have worked hard to develop and implement more flexible and reliable solutions for modules. With that, I'll turn it over to Tim to review our results.
spk03: Thanks, Bill, and good morning, everyone. I'll take you through our consolidated and second results starting on slide five. Adjusted fourth quarter sales increased 5% to $329 million. All segments contributed to the growth in the quarter as renewables in the ag tech businesses converted backlog to sales at higher rates than in previous quarters, and we grew market participation. These drivers were partially offset by pricing adjustments related to prior year commodity deflation in the residential business. Backlog at quarter end was $330 million, up approximately 10% versus the fourth quarter of 2022. Demand and order flow remained strong heading into the first quarter of 2024. Adjusted operating income and adjusted EBITDA dollars increased 10% and 9% respectively in the fourth quarter, with adjusted EPS up 18%. A recent acquisition in the residential segment added about a penny to adjusted EPS. Margin improvement in the quarter was driven by solid execution, price cost management, higher volumes, operational improvements, and additional 80-20 benefits. Weighted average shares outstanding decreased 1.7% from the fourth quarter of 2022 to 30.7 million shares in the fourth quarter of 2023. And there were no share repurchases in the quarter. Now let's review each segment starting with slide six, the renewable segment. Segment net sales increased 1.9% with backlog converting to sales at higher rates than in the previous quarters as customers continue to work through scheduling challenges related to permitting delays and await final tax credit guidance for the Inflation Reduction Act. Module availability continues to improve as module importers advance up the UFLPA enforcement learning curve and permitting delays are gradually improving at the local level. Bookings of new orders were robust, with year-over-year growth again accelerating to 20.9% versus last year. And as Bill mentioned, while some customers are waiting to sign contracts until the Department of Treasury issues Inflation Reduction Act tax credit guidance, a pipeline remains very strong. And as a reminder, our backlog consists only of signed contracts with deposits. We do not include purchase orders without a signed contract and deposit, MSAs without specific work orders, Our verbal agreements with customers and our new bookings are backlogged. Adjusted operating and EBITDA margins decreased 210 basis points versus the prior year. The strong execution across the business was offset by warranty costs incurred during the quarter for a project completed in 2022. The cost relates to a project where we were delayed in installing after materials were delivered to the job site according to our agreement. As we've discussed, we've changed our contract terms and conditions and our internal processes to ensure our customers are ready for us when we arrive on site according to the agreed upon schedule. Before this charge, segment profitability improved in the fourth quarter of 2023. We expect full year 2024 growth and continued margin expansion in the renewables business, assuming industry constraints continue to ease with continued improvement in module importation, IRA guidance issuance, and the additional recovery and local permitting. We do expect a slower first quarter as more of our backlog is for our new 1P tracker, and this product has longer lead time than some of our other offerings. Let's move to slide seven to review our residential segment. Segment sales increased 4.3% from last year. Organic growth was 3.1%, and the recent acquisitions added 1.2%. Organic growth was driven by participation gains of volume and partially offset by pricing adjustments related to prior year commodity deflation. We continue to benefit from increased participation with new and existing customers and from having expanded into new regions. We've seen our customer demand continue to follow historical seasonal demand patterns and our most recent acquisition is performing to our expectations. Adjusted operating and EBITDA margin of 17.5% and 19.2% respectively, both expanded 410 basis points through higher volume, improved price-cost alignment versus prior year's quarter, and 80-20 initiatives. And this year, we plan to move additional locations to our common ERP systems and expect to begin to leverage the IT investments made to date in the residential business. In 2024, we expect modest revenue growth with continued improvement in margins as your increased market participation gains and contribution from acquisitions support the top line, and continued 80-20 in operational efficiencies drive margins. Let's move to slide eight to review our ag tech segment. Adjusted net sales increased 12.8% as our team executed well, converting new orders, including a large project, into sales. Backlog at quarter end was down 4.2% as some customers continue to undergo project redesigns and our pipeline of project remains very strong. Segment adjusted operating and EBITDA margins decreased to negative levels because of the inclusion in our operating results of a $3.5 million charge related to a receivable associated with a distressed cannabis customer. We determined during the fourth quarter that the likelihood of recovery was sufficiently low and wrote it down. Before the charge, adjusted operating margin was approximately 5%, an increase of 40 basis points from last year, driven by higher volume, strong customer and product mix, and benefits from 80-20 initiatives. We expect sales growth and margin expansion in 2024 as the headwinds affecting our customers shift to tailwinds, and expected upcoming orders from our strong pipeline reflect improving industry demand. Let's move to slide 9 to review our infrastructure segment. Segment sales increased 12.1% driven by solid end market demand and market participation gains. Backlog increased 3% year-over-year. Segment adjusted operating and EBITDA margins improved 490 and 460 basis points respectively, driven by strong execution, 80-20 productivity, and favorable product and customer mix. Segment reported a strong year of growth and expanding profitability, and we expect continued sales growth and margin expansion in 2024. Now let's move to slide 10 to discuss our balance sheet and cash flow. At December 31st, we had cash on hand of $99 million and $396 million available on our revolver. During the year, we generated $218 million in cash from operations through a combination of margin improvement and $41 million generated from working capital as we reversed the impact from the prior two years increased working capital investments as we managed through pandemic era supply chain challenges. As a result, our free cash flow generation for 2023 was very strong at 15% of sales. There were no share repurchases in the quarter and we entered 2024 debt free. We expect to continue to generate strong cash flow driven by revenue growth and margin expansion in 2024 and beyond. This year, our priorities in capital allocation are on continuing to invest in our organic growth and operating systems for scale. We might spend more than we historically have on capital expenditures this year as we see a number of opportunities to in-source manufacturing to improve profitability. We've historically spent less than 2% of sales. We could invest approximately 3% of sales this year if we're able to prove out the cost savings we anticipate. We also remain focused on high quality M&A. We're equipped with a strong balance sheet to pursue opportunities realistically in the residential segment in the near term and in other segments in the medium to long term. And we'll opportunistically return value through the remaining $89 million authorization under our share repurchase program. And we'll fund these investments through generated cash, supplemented as needed by the use of our revolver, depending on the timing of any M&A or repurchases. I'll turn the call back to Bill.
spk05: Thanks, Tim. Let's move to slide 11 to review our 2024 strategy and key priorities. There are really five core initiatives we continue to focus on as we enter 2024. First, drive growth, margin improvement, strong cash performance, and execute M&A to expand our leadership positions across our core businesses. Secondly, execute our 80-20 initiatives, expand our participation, and drive service levels higher with speed and agility. Continue to invest in our digital transformation to scale our businesses, connect with our customers, suppliers, and our organization, and optimize our operating systems. Fourth, continue to strengthen the team. Add the right experience and competency, drive diversity of thought across the businesses, and optimize our structure to drive focus, scalability, and accountability. And finally, as always, conduct business in the right way every day. Let's move to slides. move to slides 12 and 13, and we'll review expectations for each of our segments as we move into 2024. On slide 12, we'll start with renewables and current market conditions. The industry is expecting final Treasury IRA guidelines on tax credits in the first half of 2024, which, as mentioned earlier, should have a positive effect for customers. We expect module supply to be more consistent, reliable, and we also expect local permitting challenges to improve. We are excited with our new products in the market. We launched our 1P Tracker in 2023, and along with our 2P Tracker technology launched in 2022, customer reception has been very positive, and new bookings are helping build our order backlog. As well, in 2023, we experienced significant growth in our SolarBoss solution for utility-scale applications, and our combined and optimized offering of Racking and eBoss is gaining momentum with more and more customers. We are the only company in the world that manufactures and offers racking, foundations, and eBOS, and our ability to create specific solutions for solar installations is really starting to create value-added differentiation for us. Renewables is positioned to perform well in 2024. We have momentum in our backlog and order flow, and we expect sales and margin to grow as the business is positioned to scale and support our growing customer base. Let's move to residential. The supply of existing and new homes relative to inherent demand continues to create a tailwind for the industry. And despite the higher industry environment and demand for new homes and or repair projects like roofing remain relatively consistent in 2023. As well, there are regions in the U.S. and different types of new home construction that continue to experience solid demand. And we expect these trends to continue in 2024. From a product perspective, we have a number of new products in development or coming to market in the near future. our new shingle vent roll, our new line of pipe flashings, our next generation mailboxes, and our wireless valance drop offering in our home improvement business. We continue to expand our presence in key product categories and geographies both organically and through our recent acquisitions. As well, we will continue to roll out our ERP and digital initiatives to additional facilities across the business. These business systems initiatives are driving customer connectivity, really helping us improve productivity and drive our speed and agility. Based on the success to date in the greater Salt Lake City region, we will also expand our local asset-light service model into new markets and are currently launching in the greater Denver, Colorado market, leveraging an existing Gibraltar facility to do so. Now on slide 13, let's discuss ag tech and infrastructure. For ag tech, we are seeing strong in-market tailwinds, which started to pick up pace last year in Q4. We see them continuing throughout 2024 with significant project investment for controlled environment produce growing in both U.S. and Canada. Controlled environment growers are accelerating investment capacity to serve growing demand from both food retailers and food service operators. Providing high-quality produce while localizing the supply chain and minimizing risk related to climate events is resonating well with retailers and end customers alike. Additionally, the commercial end markets remain steady with solid demand retail garden centers, plant flower growers, institutional research facilities, and our car wash customers. Gibraltar is the largest provider in North America of large-scale controlled environment growing facilities, commercial greenhouses, and cultivation structures offering design and engineering, field project management, and construction management services. We deliver turnkey services, including the design, manufacturing, and construction of structures, developing, integrating, and operating subsystems, and refurbishment optimization services for existing growing facilities. And in 2024, we're well positioned to support U.S. and Canadian growers having invested in the right resources and systems to support execution to scale more effectively. We expect solid growth this year and margin expansion will be driven by the investments we made in design and engineering, project and construction management, and supply chain productivity. In our infrastructure segment, Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act continues to create good visibility of available federal funding for state DOTs as they plan for their respective projects. This has enabled states to remain focused on multi-year projects as well as planning for future projects. In-demand remains robust, and this is reflected in the growing number of projects we are designing, quoting, bidding, and winning. In general, state DOT funding remains healthy, and airport runway resurfacing investment is expected to grow as well. We are also excited with our newer products in the market, as well as the products currently in development. Our paved, saver, and del patch reformulations will help us grow our coatings business further, and our extensive line of bearings designed for highway bridges, rail line bridges, stadiums, and buildings are well received. And there's more coming in our modular joint product line. We're well positioned across the core industry product categories, and as important, we're well positioned with our partner customers in the states where there's significant investment being made, and we look forward to another good year in this business. Now let's move to slide 14 to review our 2024 guidance. For the year, we expect strong performance in all four segments, with renewables and ag tech returning to top-line growth and residential and infrastructure position for continued performance. We remain focused on our five key priorities, and we will leverage our operating engine to drive revenue growth, expand margin, and deliver strong cash flow performance. Here's our guidance for earnings for the full year of 2024. Consolidated revenues expected to range between $1.43 billion and $1.48 billion, compared to $1.37 billion in 2023, up between 4% and 9%. Gap operating margin expected to range between 12.1% and 12.4%, up between 120 and 150 basis points. An adjusted operating margin is expected to range between 13.5% and 13.7%, up between 80 and 100 basis points. Adjusted EBITDA margin is expected to range between 16% and 16.3%, up between 60 and 90 basis points. GAAP EPS is expected to range between $4.04 and $4.29, compared to $3.59 in 2023, up between 12% and 19%. And adjusted EPS is expected to range between $4.57 and $4.82 compared to $4.11 in 2023, between 11% and 17% respectively. And we expect pre-cash flow of approximately 10% of sales for the year. Our team delivered terrific results in 2023. I think we executed well with focus and flexibility, and we continue to invest and improve in each of our businesses. I am really proud and proud of and grateful for our team's work and accomplishments, the entire organization's commitment to what we do and, frankly, how we do it. We're looking forward to another good year in 2024 and expect a solid start to the year in the first quarter. And finally, as you may have seen in a separate press release this morning, Tim Murphy, our Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, has announced he will retire from the company in early 2025. Tim's going to continue in his current role and tell his successor's name, and then he will lead the onboard and transition process accordingly. I think back over Tim's 20-year tenure with Gibraltar, he's played an incredibly crucial role in transforming Gibraltar into the business it is today. He's been a tremendous partner for me, and he has been incredibly instrumental in driving change across the organization. And I think of his skill and integrity and commitment and judgment have just been greatly appreciated. And I'm excited for Tim as he enters this new phase of his journey. But I'll also say in the meantime, given we're going to have Tim for another year, we have a lot of work to do. And I know he's excited to deliver our plans in 2024. So with that, let's open up the call and we'll take your questions.
spk02: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time we will be conducting a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, you may press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star key. Our first question comes from the line of Dan Moore with CJS Securities. Please proceed with your question.
spk01: Yes. Hi. Good morning. It's Pete Lucas for Dan. First, congratulations, Tim. And then we'd just like to see if you could drill down a little bit more on your guidance for 24 in terms of what that implies from a segment perspective. What are your expectations for organic growth and margins across residential, renewable, and ag tech? And what's the cadence? Do you expect growth to be stronger in the first or second half, or do you think relatively uniform across the year?
spk05: Yeah, Pete, this is Bill. You know, I would say... For residential in particular, as Tim had mentioned in his comments, we are back to our normal seasonality. So you'll see, first and foremost, that the business will build with the slowest quarter being in Q1. It builds in Q2 and Q3. And then Q4 is always a little bit of a question mark depending on weather patterns. But I would think that would be consistent with what you saw in 2023 in total. I think overall we're expecting growth in the business It's consistent with last year in terms of in-market. Demand, I think, is going to be pretty consistent. I think our growth will hopefully be a little bit faster than in-market demand through our participation opportunities and some of the things we're working on. And we expect margins to improve accordingly as we do every year across each of the businesses. So that's overall the general plan with Q2 and Q3 being the strongest of the four quarters.
spk01: And then I guess going to renewables, can you talk a little bit about your two-year outlook today relative to where you started the year previously in previous years? How much of an impediment the tax credit you did touch on that uncertainty is in the near term? And really just trying to get a sense for your confidence and the growth over the next few years compared to where it's been over the last two or three years and the major changes.
spk05: Yeah, no, a couple things play into that. Obviously, we have some in-market stuff that we've been dealing with the last couple years. That is improving. The last leg of the stool on the IRA ITC credits has to do with, as I mentioned earlier, domestic content bonus, which is substantial. It's 10%. So I do think customers are it'll free up some projects and it'll create some demand going forward than what we've seen in the past. I just think that's been one of the issues with customers pulling the trigger. I do think the permitting has gotten a little bit better, but again, that gets down to each individual project. So for a particular customer, depending on where they are in the country, modules I don't think are near a big issue. At least that's what we hear from our customers. So I would say that the ability to grow going forward should be getting back on pace with what we saw prior to a lot of this happening. And that was at a pretty good clip before a lot of this stuff hit the industry. So we're excited with what we see evolving in 2024. Our backlog being up 21% in the quarter is a good indication of that. That's the kind of pace that I think would be is something that's a little bit better than we've seen the last year and a half. So based on that, that's where we see growth starting to pick back up. So we'll see how things evolve over the next quarter or two with getting the final IRA piece of the puzzle in place. But assuming that happens, we expect the next couple of years to be back on the growth train as we had seen before.
spk01: Great, thanks. And the last one for me, Can you just drill down a little bit more into the landscape for ag tech, where you're seeing the biggest opportunity, and where is funding coming for these projects, and how interest rate sensitive are they? And also, just who are you competing with? Really just trying to get a sense for whether the space is becoming more competitive or remaining stable.
spk05: Yeah, you know, from a market perspective, we're really the only ones in North America, particularly in the produce space, which is... a big piece of what we do. All the folks that participate in this industry tend to be European. And so it's really kind of our home turf versus the rest of the world, if you will. That's the competitive landscape. The funding for many of our commercial growers is consistent with their sources that they've been using for the last 30, 40 years. And I think that's what most people may not understand is This industry has been around for a long, long time. What's actually starting to accelerate it is the success that growers have had the last five or six years with introducing new what they call varieties. So different types, colors, sizes, et cetera, of a variety of not just vegetables, but now it's fruits. So strawberries is an example. Now raspberries is the next nut to crack, so to speak. cantaloupe, etc., all of that stuff is starting to move more in an indoor environment where, again, for what I said earlier, you're eliminating all this risk associated with outdoor farming. It doesn't mean outdoor farming is going to go away, but if you think about the simplicity of being able to grow something local, do it more than one time a year and get it to your stores without having to use lengthy supply chains, all the other things you need when you have a lengthy supply chain, like chemicals to keep things right, picking things when they're unripe and hoping that they end up being ripe at the right time, all that stuff starts to go away. And I think retailers, as an example, I'll give you one example. The strawberry production that's going on from an indoor grow perspective is literally sold out and has been for the last couple years. So we have a lot of growers that are, you know, how do we expand and how do we add that capacity? And their business models are such that, you know, getting funding, I think, is – relatively consistent for them. In the interest rate environment, because these guys have been around so long, they've dealt in the world of double-digit interest rates, and they've been in the world of 2%. So they understand and how to manage through that. And I think any time you see an interest rate change, there's always a pause. We saw that the last year, hoping to see if it comes down or not. But now that people understand that, hey, it's elevated, it's probably going to stay here, For a while, people are starting to move forward accordingly. So I don't expect that to be a deterrent here going forward based on all the things that we're actually designing right now.
spk01: Extremely helpful. Thanks. I'll jump back in the queue. Yep.
spk02: Our next question comes from the line of Julio Romero with Sedodian Company. Please proceed with your question.
spk00: Thanks. Good morning, Bill, and congratulations, Tim. Hey, Julio. How are you? Hey, I'm good. So maybe to start on renewables, when the Department of Treasury does finally issue final guidance for the IRA tax credit, just how do you expect orders to trend as that bottleneck is lifted? Would it look more like a shorter-term surge with folks kind of just waiting to sign on the dotted line, or would you expect a more gradual uptick at that point? You know...
spk05: Julio, that's a good question. It's probably going to be a bit of a combination of both. So you've got projects that are probably right on the finish line that come through, get signed. How they actually get, you know, convert and put into the ground will be driven by, A, a customer schedule itself now that they have something finished, and B, if there's any permitting challenge at that time. But I think what you'll find is more of a gradual pickup, which is preferred, if you will, I think, for the industry just because you've got to line up the delivery base, if you will. So I don't think it'll be a flash in the pan overnight and all of a sudden you get a big slug of orders as much as it'll be not trickling out, but I think it'll pick up demand. But I think that'll really manifest itself over the next 6, 9, 12 months. It won't all come in a short period of time.
spk00: Got it. That's helpful there. And then you said you started to see the permitting situation improve a bit in the fourth quarter. Have you kind of continued to see that improve throughout the first few months of the first quarter?
spk05: Yeah. As we've talked in the past, it really comes down to there's not a permitting issue for the country. There's a permitting issue for each individual project that happens to be in the country. So So, it really comes down to where you're putting your field and what's going on in that local community in terms of backlog and how they're processing and any other issues they're dealing with. So, you know, if you're positioned well, if you're positioned with customers that aren't seeing those problems, then you can see that become less of an issue. And we started to see that in Q4 of last year where that became less of an issue than it was the first, the last three quarters prior to that. You know, we believe it's going to continue to get a little bit better. As I mentioned in my comments, the amount of revenue shifting from one quarter to the next is tightening up, which is something good to see. And then the other thing that ultimately at the end of the day is, look, if you've experienced a shift in revenue consistent in the year before, you should be able to plan on that going forward, right? So you don't get surprised. So, you know, unless it shifts well beyond, 25% where it did this year, fundamentally, that shouldn't be new news. So therefore, your plan should be reflective of what you thought going in the quarter just because you're going off of a different base. So there's a number of things that I think are going to play into that. But in general, I think permitting is getting better. And that's what we're hearing from customers. And hopefully, that will continue.
spk00: Got it. That's helpful. And you talked about that new 1P tracker that It's making up a larger portion of your renewables backlog. Can you maybe give us some flavor as to the margin profile of that? And is the backlog called out for manufactured orders or also installation of the tracker?
spk05: Both. The backlog reflects both. We're in the ramp-up phase, so we're going to have a margin mix. The challenge initially, as you always do when you ramp up something, but we expect the margin profile based on the cost reduction efforts that are going in ramping up our supply chain, that will land. We're happy with the margin profile that we expect. The good news here is the uptake of this product came quicker than we originally thought. So we thought it would be more of a 2024 where it would start building momentum in the second half of the year. We had 30 or so developers down in Florida at our – main location there and showed them a lot of this technology last year. And I just think it's resonated and the uptake's been quicker than we had thought. So we've had to move quite quickly to get our supply chain ramped up sooner. That's caused, you know, Tim mentioned, hey, we're going to be off. We'll be a little slower in the first quarter. That's nothing more than lead times are a little bit longer because of the ramp that we're going through as we speak. But it'll catch up as we... start building the base.
spk00: Understood. And then just last one for me would be just on the guidance. Would it be fair to say that the puts and takes of the $50 million sales range of the guidance is kind of largely dependent on what renewables does this year?
spk05: Well, I think it's a combination of all four. But, you know, our plan going into this year, obviously, with renewables and ag tech, where they landed, they have to be positive, right? They have to show growth this year, so I'd say both need to contribute more than they did last year, and we expect that to happen based on a backlog that we're seeing in the businesses and all the design work we're doing on projects. So we feel pretty confident in those two segments driving more in the top line than they did last year.
spk00: Very helpful. I'll pass it on, and congratulations again to Tim. Thank you, Leo.
spk02: As a reminder, it is 1 to ask a question. Our next question comes from the line of Walt Liptack with Seaport Global Securities. Please proceed with your question.
spk04: Hi, thanks. Good morning, guys, and congratulations to Tim. I wanted to ask first about the renewables backlog up Is it up because of delays in shipping in the fourth quarter or is it up because the orders are starting to come in a little bit better?
spk05: Well, we were up in the fourth quarter on sales. Our orders have increased. So that's what's driving the backlog.
spk04: Okay. Can you give us an idea of the magnitude, how much were orders up for renewables in the fourth quarter?
spk05: I don't have off the top of my head.
spk03: I'm guessing, well, without having it in front of me, it had to be directionally similar to the backlog growth because revenue was up, right? Right.
spk05: It's got to be in that range. It's double-digit. We'll circle back with a number for you, but it has to be because, like Tim said, revenue was up.
spk04: Okay, all right, that sounds great. Okay, all right, fair enough. And then just wanted to check in on a couple of the charges in the quarter. So the renewables charge goes back to 2022. It sounds like that's one-timey. Was that just one customer, one project? You know, how should we think about this happening again in the future?
spk05: Yeah, so Tim talked about this, but federally – When you have all this disruption in the end market, the timing of how projects flow and all that, we effectively delivered material to a customer to a site per schedule. In that particular case, other things happened, permitting, et cetera, for that customer. There was rust that formed on the material that we put out there, which can happen if it's out there exposed. And in a way, our contracts historically have been written. that was on us. And so going forward, we've made those changes in our T&Cs a year ago or so, because that contract was actually from 2021. And so that will be eliminated going forward, and we have a much better process working with our customers to ensure that when we deliver, it's when they're ready to roll so we don't have collectively materials sitting out on site. That's why it's a one-time kind of situation.
spk04: Okay, great. And then on the resi side, you said there was a price adjustment. I don't remember hearing about those. Maybe these have been more, you know, behind the scenes. But I wonder if you just talked about the resi price adjustment that happened.
spk03: Yeah. Late 22, early 23 is when there were some pricing adjustments. But we're lapping it now, right? So there's just a mix of we were – some of the price adjustments went out in the fourth quarter, first quarter, and I think a little bit in the second quarter. If you'll recall, commodity price on steel really sort of started dropping pretty significantly in the third quarter of 22. So when we look at the end of 23 sales against the end of 22 sales, on average prices were higher at the end of 22 than they are at the end of 23. Okay.
spk04: Okay, great. And then maybe a last one for me is just the, you know, Tim, you talked about the slow start to the year. I wonder if you can give us kind of directionally, you know, from the fourth quarter, year over year, or maybe as a percentage of sales, you know, how are you thinking the first quarter sales are going to look?
spk03: Well, it's renewable specifically that I called out. Okay. And, you know, we're still working supply chain, you know, But, you know, we expect a slower start than we would have seen than what we saw last quarter just because of the sort of the time it takes to get material available to even go out into the field and do an install versus some or other products where we could take an order and be in production and, you know, within 30 days and be in the field in 45. The tracker product right now is more than 12 weeks. So orders that we were taking at the end of last year, we just can't get started in the quarter at all. And some of the stuff that came in a little earlier will get started, but it will be late in the quarter.
spk04: Okay.
spk03: So are we thinking renewables will be down from the fourth quarter? Yeah. It's year over year. I didn't look at quarter over quarter, but we'll be down against last year's first quarter is really what the comment was.
spk05: But, Walt, just to clarify, Gibraltar, we're not expecting that.
spk04: Okay, got it.
spk05: That's a renewable situation. Total Gibraltar, we're not expecting that.
spk04: Okay, got it. Okay, thank you.
spk02: Our next question is a follow-up question from the line of Julio Romero. Please proceed with your question.
spk00: Hey, guys. Thanks for taking a couple of follow-ups here. Just on the CapEx, can you maybe expand on some of the opportunities to insource the manufacturing just any color on product lines or segments that's targeted towards? Yeah, it's really renewable.
spk03: Tim, go ahead. Yeah, I was going to say it's not any one segment that we've got opportunities in, but additional opportunities probably are around renewables, depending on how some of that IRA guidance comes out for domestic manufacturing and for domestic content. It may, you know, we've identified opportunities to do things and, you know, it's just sometimes we're down to the math of does it make sense and can we do it. In others, it's, hey, when this guidance comes out, here's five ideas, but we've got to wait until the guidance before we make the investment.
spk00: Okay, got it.
spk03: If you think about our CapEx, you know, I call it, you know, 15 to 20 million over the past few years. we could be in the high 20s. So it's not huge dollars, but I wanted to call it out because, you know, it would be a little different than what you guys are used to.
spk00: Yeah, for sure. And, you know, you have a very nice balance sheet at this point, and you talked a little bit about, you know, M&A pipelines, some short-term ops and resi, but beyond that are maybe some of the challenges with regards to M&A, you know, more about evaluation or... or a lack of available opportunities at this point?
spk05: I think it's timing, Julio. Just when these opportunities are going to present themselves, there's more activity today than there was a year ago and even six months ago. So we're starting to see that percolate, so it's more of a timing issue, and we'll be engaged and involved as a few of these opportunities get a little bit more clarity around them, but we're ready to roll. It's just a matter of when the processes start.
spk00: Very helpful. Thanks so much.
spk02: There are no further questions. I'd like to hand it back to Mr. Bosway for closing remarks.
spk05: Great. Thank you. And again, thank you, everybody, for joining us today. Coming up, we are presenting tomorrow at the Gabelli 34th Annual Pump, Valve, and Water Symposium. and in March at the B of A Power Utilities Clean Energy Leaders Conference, the Sonoti Spring Conference, and the Roth MKM Annual Growth Conference, in addition to a number of other marketing activities. So thank you again for your ongoing support of Gibraltar, and have a great day and a great rest of the week.
spk02: Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time. And have a wonderful day.
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