Sanmina Corporation

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Sanmina's second quarter fiscal 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all lines are in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. If at any time during this call you require immediate assistance, please press star zero for the operator. This call is being recorded on Monday, April 28, 2025. I would now like to turn the conference over to Paige Melching, Senior Vice President of Investor Communications, please go ahead.

Thank you, Constantine. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Sandmina's second quarter fiscal year 2025 earnings call. A copy of our press release and slide for today's discussion are available on our website at sandmina.com in the investor relations section. Joining me on today's call is Yuri Sola, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer.

Good afternoon.

And John Faust, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Good afternoon.

Before I turn the call over to Yuri, let me remind everyone that today's call is being webcasted and recorded and will be available on our website. You can follow along with our prepared remarks in the slides provided on our website. Please turn to slide three of our presentation and take note of our safe harbor statement. During this conference call, we may make projections or other forward-looking statements regarding the future events or the future financial performance of the company. We caution you that such statements are just projections. The company's actual results could differ materially from those projected in these statements as a result of factors set forth in the safe harbor statement. The company is under no obligation to and expressly disclaims any such obligation to update or alter any of the forward-looking statements made in this earnings release, their earnings presentation, the conference call, or the investor relations section of our website, whether as a result of new information, future events, or otherwise, unless otherwise required by law. Included in our press release and slides issued today, we have provided you with statements of operation for the second quarter ended March 29, 2025, on a GAAP basis, as well as certain non-GAAP financial information. A reconciliation between the GAAP and non-GAAP financial information is also provided in our press release and the slides posted on our website. In general, our non-GAAP information excludes restructuring costs, acquisition and integration costs, non-cash stock-based compensation expense, amortization expense, and other unusual or infrequent items. Any comments we make on this call as they relate to the income statement measures will be directed at our non-GAAP financial results. Accordingly, unless otherwise stated in this conference call, when we refer to gross profit, gross margin, operating income, operating margin, taxes, net income, and earnings per share, we are referring to our non-GAAP information. I'd now like to turn the call over to Yuri.

Thanks, Paige. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome. and thank you all for being here with us today. First, I would like to take this opportunity to recognize Sanmina leadership team and our employees for doing a great job. So to you, Sanmina's team, thank you for your dedication and delivering excellent service to our customers. For the second quarter fiscal year 2025, we deliver solid revenue of $1.98 billion and non-GAAP EPS of $1.41 per share. Again, to Samina employees, thank you, and let's keep it up. Now let's go to our agenda for today's call. We have John, our CFO, to review details of our results for you. I will follow up with additional comments about Samina results and future goals. And John and I will open for questions and answers. And now I'd like to turn this call over to John. John? Great.

Thank you, Yuri. And good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. And thank you for joining us here today. Before I review our results for the second quarter, I want to acknowledge the entire Sandmina team for their hard work, dedication, and support. The team has been agile in supporting our customer needs in a very dynamic environment and has executed well while doing so. Yuri and I and the rest of the Sand Management team appreciate the effort and thank you for delivering a solid second quarter and a great first half of fiscal 2025. Now please turn to slide five where I'll speak to the financial highlights. We're very pleased with our second quarter results, which as you can see, either met or exceeded all of our outlook commitments. Our revenue of $1.98 billion and our non-GAAP operating margin of 5.6% each came in towards the high end of our outlook. Also, our non-GAAP gross margin of 9.1% and our non-GAAP diluted earnings per share of $1.41 each exceeded our outlook. These results, combined with what we delivered in the first quarter, puts us on a solid trajectory for the fiscal year, and sets us on the right path towards achieving our long-term financial goals of driving growth and expanding margins. Now, please turn to slide six, where I'll speak to the P&L performance for the second quarter. As I just mentioned, we delivered revenue of $1.98 billion, which was up 8.1% compared to the same period a year ago. This was primarily driven by growth across the majority of our end markets, which Yuri will speak to in more detail as a part of his prepared remarks. Non-GAAP gross profit was $181.3 million, or 9.1% of revenue, up 20 basis points compared to the same period a year ago. This was driven by favorable mix, as well as operational efficiencies. Non-GAAP operating expenses were $70.7 million, above our outlook as we continue to make targeted investments to drive future growth. Non-GAAP operating income was $110.6 million, or 5.6% of revenue, up 20 basis points compared to the same period a year ago, driven by growth, mix, and focused execution. It's important to note that our non-GAAP operating margin continues to be in line with the 5% to 6% short-term target range that we have previously communicated. Non-GAAP other income and expense was $3.2 million of net expense favorable to our guidance, driven by our strong cash flow results. Non-GAAP diluted earnings per share came in at $1.41, based on approximately 56 million shares outstanding, which was up 7.8% compared to the same period a year ago. Now please turn to slide seven, where I'll speak to the P&L performance for the first half of fiscal 2025. Revenue for the first half was up 7.6% compared to the same period a year ago. This growth was driven by strong performance across the majority of our end markets, but with particular improvement coming from the communication networks and cloud infrastructure end markets. Non-GAAP earnings per share for the first half was $2.84, up 8.8% compared to the same period a year ago. As we mentioned on our prior call, we expect fiscal 2025 to be a growth year, and our results for the first half represent a solid start towards achieving that objective. Now please turn to slide eight, where I'll speak to the segment results. IMS revenue came in at $1.60 billion, up 9.8% compared to the same period a year ago, driven by growth in the majority of our end markets, but primarily in the communication networks and cloud infrastructure end markets. IMS non-GAAP gross margin was 7.7%, which is flat when compared to the same period a year ago. TPS revenue came in at $411 million, up 3.3% compared to the same period a year ago, driven by higher demand in most of our end markets. CPS non-GAAP gross margin was 13.9%, up 100 basis points compared to the same period a year ago, driven by favorable mix and operational efficiencies. We're pleased with the performance of the IMS and CPS businesses this quarter, but there is still room to improve in terms of both revenue growth and margin expansion which we will continue to focus on going forward. Now please turn to slide nine, where I'll speak to the balance sheet highlights. We maintained a very strong balance sheet in the second quarter. Cash and cash equivalents were $647 million. At the end of the quarter, we had no outstanding borrowings on our $800 million revolver, leaving us with substantial liquidity of approximately $1.5 billion. We ended the quarter with inventory, net of customer advances, of $1.2 billion, which was down 8% in absolute dollar terms compared to the same period a year ago. Inventory turns, net of customer advances, improved at 5.9 times for the quarter, as compared to 5.0 times in the same period a year ago. While we're pleased with these results, there is still room to improve. Our non-GAAP pre-tax ROIC was 23% for the quarter, well above our weighted average cost of capital and an improvement from the 22% from the same period a year ago. We continue to have one of the strongest balance sheets in the industry with no net debt and a low gross leverage ratio of 0.48 times, which puts us in a great position to execute on our strategy while navigating the uncertainty of the current macroeconomic environment. Now please turn to slide 10, where I'll speak to the cash flow highlights. As a result of the team's disciplined working capital management, our second quarter cash flow from operations came in at a solid $157 million, which equates to $221 million for the first half. Capital expenditures were $31 million for the quarter, in line with our outlook, and were $48 million for the first half. As I've mentioned before, we will continue to make strategic investments in the technology and capabilities needed to strengthen our position in the market and to support our long-term financial objectives. To that end, in the second half, we expect to make targeted investments in both capacity and technology across the U.S., India, and Mexico geographies. As such, on a full year basis, we now expect capital expenditures to be approximately 2% of revenue. Pre-cash flow was $126 million for the quarter and $173 million for the first half. During the quarter, we repurchased approximately 1.03 million shares for approximately $84 million. As of March 29th, 2025, we had $253 million remaining on our share repurchase program. Our strong cash flow performance gives us the flexibility to continue to invest in the business and return capital to our shareholders, all through a disciplined and balanced capital allocation approach. Now please turn to slide 11, where I'll cover our outlook for the third quarter. Our outlook is based on the forecast from our customers and takes into account market uncertainty due to tariffs and the current geopolitical landscape. Our third quarter outlook is as follows. We expect revenue between $1.925 billion to $2.025 billion, which at the midpoint of $1.975 billion puts us up 7.3% compared to the same period a year ago, and up 7.5% on a year-to-date basis. Non-GAAP gross margin of 8.6% to 9.0%, dependent on mix. Operating expenses of $62 million to $66 million. Non-GAAP operating margin of 5.4% to 5.8%. We expect other income and expense to be a net expense of approximately $6 million, a tax rate of 20% to 22% consistent with last quarter. We estimate an approximate $4.5 million non-cash reduction to our net income to reflect our India-JV partners' equity interest. Non-GAAP EPS in the range of $1.35 to $1.45 based on approximately 55 million fully diluted shares outstanding. At the midpoint of $1.40, that would put us up 12% compared to the same period a year ago, and 10.4% on a year-to-date basis. Capital expenditures to be around $50 million, and finally, depreciation of approximately $30 million. In summary, while considerable uncertainty around tariffs remains, at this time, we believe we are well positioned to navigate the current market environment, and we expect revenue to grow between 6.0% and 8.0% on a full year basis. With that, let me turn the call over to Yuri.

Thank you, John. Ladies and gentlemen, let me add a few more comments about our results. for the second quarter and the rest of the fiscal year 2025. Now please turn to slide 13. As you heard from John, our team delivers solid execution and excellent service to our customer, despite being in a very dynamic environment. Revenue, gross margin, operating margin, and non-GAAP EPS were either met or exceeded our outlook. I can also tell you that our customers' inventories continue to come down as we're starting to see more opportunities in the pipeline. Even in this geopolitical environment, our customers are still positive about future opportunities and their growth. To talk more about it, please turn to slide 14. Let's look at the revenue by end market for the second quarter. Industrial, energy, medical, defense, aerospace, and automotive came in at $1,251,000,000. That grew approximately 2.1% year over year. Percentage of the revenue in this segment was 63% overall. For communication, net force, and cloud infrastructure, it delivered 733 million for a quarter. That was very strong, up 20.3% year over year. That consists of 37% of our revenue. For the second quarter, total revenue of 1.984 billion, we delivered another solid quarter, up 8.1% year over year. Top 10 customers for the quarter was 51% of our revenue. Bookings, book to bill came around one to one as we continue to see solid, I call it stable demand. As you can see, we're a well diversified company. We continue to see positive trends for the fiscal year 25 and beyond. As I mentioned, industrial, medical, defense, aerospace, et cetera, is 63% of our revenue. So let me talk about more details in each of these segments. Industrial and energy is approximately 23% of our revenue. We have solid customer base, great opportunities around energy, power controls, and management system, strong demand from safety equipment, and we see exciting new projects in a pipeline. Medical is approximately 20% of our revenue right now. We see stable demand driven by medical devices around digital health. We do have strong customer base here that is well diversified within the market, and we're starting to see positive trends for the future. For defense and aerospace, automotive and transportation, That segment for us is around 20% of our revenue. We continue to see solid demand from critical defense projects, including Sanmina Defense products. We are growing and expanding advanced printed circuit boards fabrication business for this segment. We are also expanding precision mechanical system for defense and aerospace business. And we are well positioned in this market. For automotive, short term, it's challenging market. But I can tell you that this segment around our customer base grew double digits year over year for the second quarter. So what we see for this segment, we expect to see stable growth short term and solid market opportunities longer term. Communication networks and cloud infrastructure It's approximately 37% of our revenue. We see positive trends for high density, high performance network. So continue to see solid demand for high performance routers and switches, optical network systems, optical advanced packaging, and enterprise storage. Driven both by cloud and service providers, Cloud providers require large-scale networks, and Sanmina is well positioned for this segment. AI requirements continue to evolve at a rapid pace and is driving technology advancement. We are expanding our capabilities to meet present and future demand. Our goal is to provide industry-leading capabilities from design to full system end-to-end solution for the data center and cloud infrastructure. What we do today, we produce high technology printed circuit boards for this segment. We assemble these boards, subsystems, and full systems. We provide mechanical racks and enclosures. We're expanding our liquid cooling rack systems. We continue to manufacture cooling manifold for racks. We continue to manufacture bus bars for racks. We also have ODM products around our service and storage systems. We deliver custom memory and custom optical modules. And I can tell you we are expanding organically to full system integration and test. Also, I can tell you that we will continue to invest in this key market to drive future growth. Please turn to slide 15. Let me add a few more comments about fiscal year 25 outlook. While we continue to manage through a very dynamic environment, we remain focused on operational execution, customer satisfaction, cost management, and consistently delivering value to our customers. With that said, I am very pleased with our performance for the first six months of the fiscal year 25. as revenue was up 7.6% compared to the same period a year ago. We are growing non-GAAP EPS and generating strong cash flow, as you heard from John. Based on our results for the first six months and our outlook for the third quarter, at the midpoint, this puts us on a track to deliver nice growth in the fiscal year 25. We expect to see growth to come from new and existing programs, and we're adding new customers with the higher margin opportunities. Short-term operating margin will be stable at the range five to 6%, and long-term for our business model, we expect to deliver operating margin of six plus percent. Again, for the fiscal year 25, we remain focused on our strategy investing in a faster growing and higher margin and markets. Please turn to slide 16. Now let me talk to you about our favorite topic. It's called tariffs. With tariffs, uncertainty remains. As you know, the tariff situation is not unique to Sanmina. But as the geopolitical situation continues to evolve, Our ability to be agile and responsive will be key to our customer success. We have well-established materials, supply chain, and trade compliance team with seasoned professionals dedicated to navigate these complex trade requirements. We are taking proactive approach and actively working with our customers to support their involving needs. and our single IT system is agile and responsive to our customer requirements. As a reminder, while tariffs may have an impact on our customers' demand, any changes in tariff costs are passed through our customers. To meet customer needs in this environment, our global regional footprint is strategically aligned to provide global solution. We have industry-leading established capacity in the United States. Please turn to slide 17 to talk more about our global structure. As you can see on this map, Sunmina has a global regional manufacturing footprint. I believe it is industry-leading, lean, and flexible. As our customers evaluate where they want their products manufactured, Stamina has capacity in the United States and in other geographies to provide local solution. As you can see, we're well diversified by the regions. Again, very strong here in North America, specifically in the United States. Our global and regional manufacturing footprint, agile and responsive IT systems, and our strong balance sheet are key competitive advantages for us in supporting our customer in times like these. Please turn to slide 18. In summary, ladies and gentlemen, our manufacturing footprint is well aligned with our customer requirements. We are focused on the key markets to drive profitable growth. We continue to generate cash to fund the business using a disciplined ROI approach. We remain focused on fundamentals and future financial performance. Tamina continues to be a partner of choice with our top customers and market leaders. We'll continue to execute on our strategy as evident in the progress we have made in our financial results. Again, in this dynamic environment, we are on the track to grow revenue, expand margins, grow EPS, and generate strong cash flow in physical year 2025. Ladies and gentlemen, now I would like to say thank you to all for your time and your support. Operator, we're now ready to open the lines for questions and answers. Thank you.

Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Should you have a question, please press star followed by the number one on your touchstone phone. You will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised. Should you wish to decline from the polling process, please press star followed by the number two. If you are using a speakerphone, make sure to lift your handset before pressing any keys. Your first question comes from the line of Ruplu Batacharya from Bank of America. Your line is now open.

Hi, Yuri. Thanks for taking my questions. Um, first starting on tariffs, did you see any pull forward of demand and fiscal 2Q ahead of the potential tariff increases and have any of your customers ask you to move manufacturing around to different regions?

First of all, you know, personally, you know, I don't have the really data to say there was anything major moved around during the quarter because Our customers are confused just as much as I am, and I'm sure you are, too, what's going on. But, yeah, we had a lot of discussion with our customers, what are the options, you know, if the aesthetics, you know, basically come real. But the good things, you know, we now have some time here to figure out. As I mentioned, I think from Samina's point of view, we have a great global footprint to service our customer locally. and then offer them our global support to minimize the impact of them. As I said, these tariffs, you know, can be very high, and this can impact our customers, not just for short-term, but the long-term. So we're very sensitive to this. We're working with our customers, and we have what is scenario if something changes. But I can tell you, overall, nothing major really has been changed in the last 90 days.

Okay. Okay. So as a follow-up, it looks like when I look at what you said about fiscal 25 revenues growing, I think John talked about 7% year-on-year growth at the midpoint. I think you said 6% to 8%. So just using that, that would imply like around 6% year-on-year growth for fiscal 4Q. using the midpoint of your guidance for fiscal 3Q. Are you seeing any slowdown in demand in fiscal second half of 25 or, you know, any thoughts on have you seen any change in customer buying behavior or are you just being prudent in the guidance?

I think we're more prudent right now in, you know, in the guidance what we see with all these, you know, dynamics that are happening in today's environment. Our demand and the programs that are coming up are very exciting. So longer term, you know, unless something really falls off the cliff in geopolitical issues, I think we are well positioned to continue to see the growth. We also had one program, Ruplu, that was a major program that got pushed out for redesign. It's going to come back on board the end of September, early October. But, you know, that happens all the time. So we're still very optimistic about our fourth quarter. But in this environment, it's one quarter at a time. But for a year, you know, we're going to have a good year. And I think as we look at it in 26, 27, there's a lot of exciting opportunities. And that's one of the reasons. We are continuing to invest more now for the future and expanding in certain regions, especially India for data center. You know, we also put in more capacity for data center here in North America. So both on a full system and at the component level from a printed circuit board, mechanical, rocks, and et cetera.

Okay, that's helpful. If I can ask a question on inventory, it looks like gross inventory dollars were up 9% sequentially. What drove that and how should we think about working capital trend and cash flow and uses of cash for the rest of the year?

I'll turn you over to my CFO. I think he's better in numbers than I am.

Yeah, thanks for the question, Rupalu. So we really look at it on a net basis. So the gross inventory net of customer advances is And if you look at that on a year-over-year basis, we improved quite a bit. Now, that was to compare last year where we were working through inventory absorption. Now, if you think ahead to the Q3 on a sequential basis, a little bit of movement there, but it really is starting to build our inventory stockpiles to support the future growth. So we see that as positive. But what we're really focused on this quarter is just that year-over-year improvement and continuing to see that progress. Now, going forward, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, you know, we said that there's still room to improve in inventory. I quoted net inventory turns at 5.9 times. You know, we've said in the past, you know, around six or so is a good place to be. So we're pretty pleased with the 5.9, but we still think there's some progress. But to Yuri's point about new programs coming on board, as we see that, you know, we'll put the necessary inventory in place to support that growth.

Okay, that's helpful. If I can squeeze one more in. In the communications and market, Yuri, I think you talked a little bit about demand. Can you help us rank order, like which was strong, which was weak in terms of optical versus routing, switching versus wireless? How are you seeing demand trending? Because networking was going through an inventory correction. Are you seeing anything positive? And how are you seeing these three things, optical, routing, and wireless coming back?

First of all, on inventory, as I mentioned in my prepared statement, inventory is definitely coming down. We're almost close to the normal. We have a few customers that still have some inventory in the pipeline, but I can see the light end of the tunnel talking to them that's disappearing. For communication, you know, it was very strong for this quarter, you know, year over year, 20% up. I would say that, you know, high-end routing, routers, switches, that was pretty strong. Also, optical networks were strong, you know, coming back, optical packaging. And, you know, across the board, it was a very good quarter. As I look at the, you know, future, I see DEC to continue to be strong at least for, you know, when I said at least for at least next couple quarters, and then, you know, we'll see one quarter at a time. But definitely we see upside driven by, you know, both the service sector and also the data centers.

Okay. Thank you for all the details. Appreciate it.

Thanks, Rupal, for your support.

Your next question comes from the line of Stephen Fox from Fox Advisors. Please go ahead.

Hello, Steve.

Hi. Good afternoon, guys. I guess, first of all, I was wondering if you can go back to the prepared remarks where you mentioned that some second half investments in capacity and technology in India, US and Mexico. Can you just sort of expand on that? What that comment is related to what you're doing more specifically? And then I had a follow up.

Well, let me add a few more points to that, and then, John, you can comment, you know, where we are really focused. If you look at India, we think there's a lot of opportunity for growth. Our joint venture in India is doing well. You know, I would say it's working perfectly to what we imagined when we put this thing together. You know, Samina is fully responsible running this thing. You know, Reliance is basically a investment investor partner for us we see a lot of growth in india in next couple years uh you know for made in india and also for export out of india and we see a lot of interest actually if you look at the survey from our customers where we see more survey than anywhere else any other plant around the world is india uh so a lot of interest there uh you know we have a hundred acre campus uh We have, I don't know, about 700,000, 800,000 square feet of manufacturing space, and we are expanding that mainly around, you know, data center demand that we feel we're going to see in the next 12 months, 18 months. In fact, the facility should be ready sometime in October, November timeframe, and then we'll go from there. We're doing the same thing especially in Mexico. and then also in North America. But also on top of the EMS expansion, we're also doing expansion in high technology printed circuit boards. We're adding more capacity here in North America, and we're also adding fair amount mechanical capacity. John, anything?

Yeah, I think you covered it well, Yuri. I mean, just to add, Steve, to Yuri's comments, it's both capacity and capabilities. You know, we're building up our capabilities in that space, too, to take on more complex programs. And really, at the end of the day, we had a pretty broad range on CapEx, you know, to date so far this year of 1% to 2%. So we thought with these investments coming up in the second half, it would be prudent to narrow that down and give a little bit clearer guidance, which is why I said about 2% to revenue.

That's all super helpful. And then I was just curious, you've mentioned for the last few quarters now how you're looking to do more RAC integration. You obviously have a lot of the pieces to that puzzle there. How can you sort of – can you, one, give us an update on how you're progressing there and, like, how do you sort of penetrate with cloud guys in a bigger way in what seems to be becoming a pretty competitive market? Thanks very much.

Yeah, Steve, first of all, you know, we do have an ODM product around the service storage systems, and we have our own design group and, you know, been around a long time. So we have our core capabilities. We're able to really drive our mechanical business up, you know, around the rocks and cooling rocks, manifolds and things like that. That business is doing really well, and I wish I had more capacity there right now, to be honest with you. As we are getting more into the, as you know, our typical EMS business, you know, we do full system today, you know, from basically new product to full system and distribution. One area that we've been looking at it in the last year or so is expansion into the data center for computing and so on. Since we're already doing a lot of networking business, Optical business, I think next step for us is to do more integration on this computing and for data center. And we're setting that up. We're already doing some, but we are really expanding to drive organically to the full system integration and test. And that seems like a promising for us, and we'll see where it goes.

Great. That's all very helpful. Thank you.

Thanks, Steve.

Ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by the number one on your touchtone phone. If you would wish to decline from the polling process, please press star followed by the number two. If you are using a speakerphone, as a reminder, please make sure you lift your handset before pressing any keys. Your next question comes from the line of Agnes Sonderstrom from Sidoti. Please go ahead.

Hi, and thank you for taking my questions. Hello, Anna, how are you? I'm good. So you mentioned some new customer wins. In what area are those mainly, and how is the competitive environment for those with Windows?

Could you repeat the question, Anna? I'm sorry, I'll ask you there for a second.

You mentioned you added some new customer wins in the quarter. Yeah. In what area were those, Minlin?

It's across the board. I think, as I said, I think our energy business continues to do well. I think communication networks and cloud infrastructure, that continues to do well. And on defense, we have some new programs, including some medical programs that are coming up. We're doing some expansion in – in Europe for medical products, and we expect it to grow for us. So in general terms, our pipeline is very solid and, you know, across the board.

Okay, thank you. And how was the competitive process for you to win those?

Well, first of all, we would like to compete based on our technology that we supply to our customer, quality of the product, flexibility, speed to the market. So, Samina, we believe we are very competitive when you look at the total technology that you get and total cost. and security of supply. That's what we are known for, and that's what really the value that we are investing for is that we want to be able, that our customer can depend on us at any time, 24-7, anywhere around the world. And we earn the reputation on that by being customer-centric and building the partnership by providing the right solution, technology and performance.

Okay, thank you. And in terms of the tariffs, in the event that they would stick and your customers would like to move their production around, what is your capacity utilization worldwide?

Well, first of all, we've been expanding capacity. We can take on today. It depends on a mix and which plant. But I can ship additional plants. 30% based on just adding, you know, people and few pieces of equipment here and there. But also that we are adding capacity for some of the new capability and new technology. John, anything else?

Yeah, I think just to add to that, Anya, like I was saying in my prepared remarks, like the key in this type of market environment is to be agile. And that we believe we've got a competitive advantage in just because of our breadth of capabilities across various different end markets, the geographic distribution, you know, all of our capacity that Yuri covered in his slides, and just the proactive customer outreach. That's what we've been looking to do, you know, over the last several months as tariffs and all those conversations have been taking place is just making sure that we're staying connected with our customers and offering them the flexibility and the options depending on whatever they'd like to do. Okay, thank you. That was a

Sorry, Anya, and I said that, you know, as we do these things, we have a longer-term plan, is that how do we, you know, how do we monetize these investments and so on? And that's one of the, we're excited about our long-term growth for Sanmina and also investing in some of these technology components and around AI, I think will allow us to deliver our, you know, our goal of operating margin better than 6%. and accomplish the goals that we want to accomplish in the next two, three years, as we talked about how do we get this business from 8, 9 to 12 billion run rate plus. So that's the plan, and that's what we are 100% focused on. But again, as John said, it's the flexibility that we offer by providing the right technology and giving the, especially in this environment, giving the global visibility to our customers is one of the key competitive advantages we have.

Okay, great. Thank you. That was helpful. That was helpful for me.

All right. Thank you, Anya.

There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Yuri Sola for closing comments. Sir, please go ahead.

Thank you, operator. First of all, I want to thank you all for participating in this call. If we didn't answer all your questions or if you have additional questions, please contact us. And I'm looking forward to talking to you and Most importantly, we'll talk again 90 days from now. Bye-bye. Thank you.

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