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spk00: Good day and welcome to the SB Financial Group fourth quarter 2020 conference call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touchtone phone. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Sarah Mika. Please go ahead.
spk05: Good morning, everyone. I would like to remind you that this conference call is being broadcast live over the Internet and will be archived and available on our website at ir.yourstatebank.com. Joining me today are Mark Klein, Chairman, President, and CEO, Tony Cosentino, Chief Financial Officer, and John Gaffman, Senior Lending Officer. This call may contain forward-looking statements regarding SB Financial's performance, anticipated plans, operational results, and objectives. Forward-looking statements are based on management expectations and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied on our call today. We have identified a number of different factors within the forward-looking statements at the end of our earnings release, which you are encouraged to review. SB Financial undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statement except as required by law after the date of this call. In addition to the financial results presented in accordance with GAAP, this call will also contain certain non-GAAP financial measures. a reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures is included in our earnings release. I will now turn the call over to Mr. Klein.
spk01: Thank you, Sarah, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to our fourth and final conference call and webcast for 2020. At a high level, I'm pleased to report that in the midst of this pandemic, we found a way to deliver our strongest performance ever. For the quarter, we continue to see mortgage volume at the top end of our current capacity, welcome the beginnings of processing PPP forgiveness and witness greater flexibility by our entire staff to service clients in this new and different environment. Briefly highlights for the quarter, which included a $611,000 pre-tax mortgage servicing rates impairment, include net income, $5.4 million, up $2 million or 60% over the prior year quarter, When adjusted for the non-GAAP impairment item, net income would have been $5.8 million, or 87% increase. For the year, GAAP net income of $14.9 million, up $3 million, or nearly 25%. Adjusted return on average assets was 1.89%, up from the prior year quarter of 1.26%. Pre-tax, pre-provision ROAA for the quarter was 2.41%, up 74 basis points, or 44% from the prior year. That interest income of $9.3 million was up 7.6% from the prior year, as our 5.5% reduction in interest income was more than offset by the 49% reduction in interest expense. This, coupled with controlled non-interest expense, delivered positive operating leverage of five times. Loan balances from the linked quarterly decline $13 million, which reduced our year-over-year growth to $47 million or 5.7%. However, included in those balances were PPP initiative loans and those loans acquired from the Eden acquisition in June. Deposits increased $209 million or 25% year-over-year. Again, Eden balances, retention of PPP funding and business DDAs, and overall consumer liquidity drove that growth. expenses up a half a million due to higher mortgage commissions and increase in our title insurance business and e-acquisition. Mortgage origination volume increased to 169 million, up 31 million or 23% year over year. While asset quality metrics remain stable from prior year in the linked quarter, we elected to set another 800,000 in provision during the quarter, all of which were related to the COVID-19 future reserves. And finally, client loan deferrals were down substantially from the linked quarter with the number and dollar of loans in forbearance status declining in excess of 50%. The five key initiatives we've referenced in prior quarters and continue to consume us would be revenue diversity, be it organic and or M&A, more scale, broader footprint, more scope, more services per household, excellence in operation and more intimacy with current clients, and asset quality. First, revenue diversity. This quarter, mortgage volume and loan sale gains were up from the prior year 23% on volume and 136% on gains. Non-interest income increased to 8.9 million from the prior year quarter of 6 million. Current quarter includes a mortgage service impairment of 611,000, as I just mentioned, compared to a recovery of $303,000 in the fourth quarter of 2019. Adjusting for those impacts, non-interest income was up from the prior year by $3.9 million, or 68%. For the year, non-interest income to total revenue increased to 49%, and was driven principally by a gain on sale in residential real estate lending volume of nearly $700 million, our largest annual production on record. Peak Title had another strong quarter with revenue up 33% from the prior year quarter and for the year over 700%. We are especially pleased with the progress made by Peak and that entire team to double the revenue of the operation from the prior year run rate before acquisition. Our Indianapolis residential loan production office continued to gain market share during the year as we inched a bit closer to the original expectation and originated over 43 million in volume. We not only remained committed to this central Indiana region, but we will be building another production team in northeast Indiana this year. We're looking to each of these robust Indiana markets to make meaningful contribution to our production levels in 2021. As with prior quarters, wealth management assets under our care continue to rebound. over the prior year end with an overall market improvement of $48 million and new sales of $21 million, which has led to total assets under management of $558 million a year end or a net increase of $51 million. Our bench is stronger than ever before and we expect to monetize these new resources to identify more opportunities across the entire footprint. Secondly, more scale. Loan growth continued to be under pressure in the quarter as market activity has been constrained but has begun to slowly recover from the virus shutdown. Our $47 million in growth from a prior year is elevated due to our PPP balances and the loans, as I mentioned, required from the Eden acquisition. As we adjust growth for these items year over year, loan balances would decline on a core basis by $45 million. We continue to see higher performing clients and their companies exit ownership and our loan balances on their way out. However, pipelines continue to steadily grow in most of our markets, and we do expect success in 2021, much along the lines of our historical loan growth in the middle single digits. Our deposit base expanded to $1.05 billion, up $209 million, or 25%. Included in that growth were Eden deposits and our estimate at approximately 50%. of the PPP loan funding remain in our clients' operating accounts. We expect these funds, however, to gradually dissipate as the forgiveness process ramps up here early in 2021. Third, more scope, more services per household. The PPP initiative allowed us to demonstrate to not only existing clients, but also to prospects that we are both agile and interested and have the resources and capacity to service their needs. Our team will again be tested as we begin in earnest the loan forgiveness process of round one and move on into round two. To date, roughly half of our round one clients have applied for forgiveness and we expect that percentage again to climb into the first quarter of 2021. We are prepared to handle a similar level of client applications in round two and the program and we feel the lessons learned from round one will make for an even more positive client experience this time around. In fact, to do more with the same, we have acquired the StreetShare software to ensure that our capacity to process requests matches our appetite for balanced growth from existing clients and prospects alike. Operational excellence. The continued transition to a more normal residential purchase market was evident in the fourth quarter as we originated 47% of our volume from purchase transactions or 81 million. Internal refinances were 28% of volume or 48 million with external refinances, the remaining 24% or 24 million. For the full year, 291 million, 42% of our total volume was from new purchases or construction activity. $217 million or 31% from refinancing our own mortgages internally and the remaining 27% or $187 million from outside competitor refinancing. As a result of these successes, our servicing portfolio now stands at $1.3 billion and over 8,500 loans for an increase of $101 million this year. Expense levels for the quarter were up from the prior year, but as I mentioned, our operating leverage improved for the quarter due to our revenue growth. This growth also provided the path to our best net non-interest expense level in recent times at a negative 0.6%. For the full year, expenses and revenue were impacted by our servicing rights impairment and the EDEN merger costs. To adjust for these non-GAAP items, our operating leverage for the year improved from a reported 1.6 to 2.5 times. To extend this trend, we continue to examine all of the expense control initiatives that we put in place earlier this year when COVID-19 arrived. Fifth and final, asset quality. At quarter end, we had 83 loans in forbearance for a total dollar amount of nearly $40 million, which was down by 121 loans and $41 million from the linked quarter, or 51%. Remaining in these totals were $11.7 million of sold mortgage loans, which reduces our unbalanced sheet exposure to just $28 million, and was down $10.4 million, or 27%, from the second quarter. Of the $28 million in balances remaining in forbearance, 95% related to the hotel industry. That said, we continue to feel strongly that our portfolio, and in particular our exposure to the hospitality industry, will continue to weather the COVID-19 storm well due to our prudent underwriting process and the quality of the clients we've embraced over the past decade. However, should unexpected stress surface, we have made provisions to bolster our loss allocation. Back this quarter, we increased our provision, as I mentioned, to 800,000, and for the year now, 4.5 million. Our loan loss reserve is now 12.6 million, and the reserve ratio is up 38 basis points from the prior year, to 1.44%. We adjust for PPP balances and it increases to 1.5%. Our coverage of non-performing loans now stands at 174% and remains above the median of our peer group. Charge-offs for the quarter were just 18,000 and near to date our loan charge-off ratio is slightly above historical levels at just 8 basis points or this year 680,000 from essentially two borrowers. We feel our approach to build our reserve and stay ahead of market stress will bode well for our performance in future quarters. Finally, before I turn it over to our CFO Tony Costantino for some more color on our year and quarter, I do want to make a note of our dividend announcement this past week of 10.5 cents per share, up 11% over the prior year. We continue to review our capital allocation and not only fund balance sheet growth prudently, but also to return capital to our shareholders. via dividends and our current stock buyback program. Tony, if you could give us some more details on our quarterly performance.
spk03: Thanks, Mark. As Mark opened the call, we delivered 71 cents per share this quarter, up from 42 cents for the prior year quarter, 69% increase, leading to $1.96 in EPS for the full year of 2020. When we adjust 2020 full-year EPS for the OMSR and merger costs, which we have documented in our release, were up 51% from 2019. Operating revenue was up 24.7% from the prior year and up 31.7% when we adjust for the impairment. Loan sales again were strong delivering gains of 7.3 million from mortgage, small business and some agriculture loans up 4 million from the prior year. Margin revenue up 7.6% as we continue to offset interest income reductions with further reductions in our funding costs. Now as we break down the fourth quarter income statement, starting with the margin, net interest income was up from the prior year but level to the linked quarter. Average loan yield for the quarter of 4.42%, decreased by 60 basis points in the prior year. And overall earning asset yield was down 114 basis points in the prior year. Loan yields and the earning asset yield were obviously impacted by the 1% PPP portfolio And while, as Mark mentioned, close to 50% of our phase one PPP portfolio has applied for full forgiveness, we've really yet to receive the bulk of those payoffs from the SBA. As we get more detailed on the PPP phase one, we had 83 million in funded loans with total fees expected of 3.2 million. To date, we have realized 1.4 million of those fees and booked an additional $565,000 in interest income. If we exclude the initiative from margin, NIM would have risen by just one basis point for the entire year. On the funding side, as expected, we again reduced the cost of our interest-bearing liabilities from the prior year. For the quarter, the rate on those liabilities was 0.64%, which is down from the prior year by 78 basis points and down from the linked quarter by 11 basis points. Net interest margin at 3.21 was down 49 basis points from the prior year as the impact of PPP, excess cash, and Eden were headwinds to our margin. Interest expense costs are down by 49% from the prior year and down an additional 14% from the linked quarter. We are certainly nearing the bottom on interest expense reductions. However, repricing on our loan and asset portfolio, we expect to continue on into 2021. Total non-interest income of $10.4 million was up $5.1 million, or 94%, from the prior year, reflecting the mortgage origination volume, which overcame the servicing rights impairment. As Mark indicated, our title agency had a very strong quarter, closing a large number of transactions and delivering revenue of $500,000, up 31% from the prior year. And our fourth quarter mortgage sales were 85% of our originated volume, We achieved a record level of sales volume for 2020 with our sale percentage exceeding 86% of the $694 million in volume. Yields also continued to be robust in the quarter, which supplemented that sales volume. The shift to purchase volume from refinance continued in the fourth quarter. Total gains on sale came in at $7.2 million, which was 5% on our sold volume of $143 million. For all of 2020, as I indicated, we sold close to $600 million, or roughly 86%, with total gains on sale yielding 4.2%, yielding $25.4 million in total gains after our hedge. The focus and change we made several years ago to hedge our pipeline and become more aggressive in secondary paved the way for these higher-than-expected gain numbers. Our servicing portfolio provided revenue for the quarter of 857,000, and for the full year we realized 3.2 million in total servicing revenue. Market value, as we indicated, for our servicing rights declined slightly this past quarter. The calculated fair value of 60 basis points was down 39 basis points from the prior year and down six basis points from the linked quarter, which resulted in the $611,000 impairment. At December 31, 2020, our mortgage servicing rights were 7.8 million on the balance sheet, which is down 30% from the fourth quarter of 2019 and down 9% from the linked quarter. Our total remaining impairment is 4.9 million for potential future recapture, which, if realized, would increase tangible book value by approximately 53 cents per share or an increase of 3%. Operating expense for the quarter $10.7 million, up $500,000 or 4% from the prior year, but down $700,000 or 5.7% compared to the linked quarter. The higher level of mortgage volume drove compensation higher year over year, but contributed to the decline from the linked quarter. For the year, operating expenses up $5.7 million or 15%. However, if we would normalize for similar mortgage volume in the Eden and merger costs, year-to-date growth is $2.2 million, or 10%. As we turn to the balance sheet, loan outstandings at December 31, 2020 stood at $873 million, 69.4% of the total assets of the company. We had loan growth of $47 million, deposit growth of $209 million, and asset growth of $219 million from the prior year. All of these growth levels were unlike those we have experienced in our recent history as they were impacted by the pandemic, PPP, consumer liquidity, and of course the merger. As we look at our capital position, we finished the year at 142.9 million, up 6.8 million or 5% from the prior year, with our equity to asset ratio standing at 11.4%, which increases to 12% when we exclude the PPP balances. On a per share basis, book value is up $1.86 per share from the fourth quarter of 2019 or 10.6%. We continue to buy back our shares under our buyback authorization and during 2020 we've repurchased 435,000 shares at an average price of roughly 90% of book value. Total non-performing assets of 7.3 million or 58 basis points were up 600,000 from the prior year. and flat to the linked quarter. Including in our numbers are $800,000 in accruing restructured credits, which elevate our non-performing level by seven basis points. And absent those restructured accruing credits, our total non-performing asset ratio would reduce to 51 basis points. We continue to monitor the at-risk segments of our loan portfolio, and the improvement in forbearance balances is a positive trend in our asset quality. As Mark mentioned, provision expense for the quarter was $800,000 up from the prior year, but down $1 million from the linked quarter. Our absolute level of loan loss allowance at $12.6 million was up from the prior year by $3.8 million, or 44%. I'll now turn the call back over to Mark.
spk01: Thank you, Tony. In summary, clearly delivering record net income was a tremendous accomplishment for us this year, but It's all about the other milestones and achievements this past year that we're certainly equally proud. We continue to embrace alternative communication channels to remain connected to our 30,000-plus households and still expand market share through the PPP program and close an M&A transaction with the Eden acquisition. Additionally, this year we expanded the liquidity of our shareholder base, dealt with significant forbearance requests, that we've discussed for two quarters, approved in nearly 700 PPP applications and expanded our mortgage operation to provide record lending to over 3,100 homeowners across our entire footprint. 2020 was certainly unique in many ways and our team literally stepped up to meet those challenges and deliver one of our strongest earnings in history. As we turn the page to 2021, we certainly expect some challenges to subside yet Others unknown will certainly emerge. That said, as our markets steadily open, we believe the pent-up demand and liquidity will welcome the partnership of a community bank like ours with a diverse product base delivered through our seven key business lines. Now I'll turn the call back over to Sarah for questions. Sarah?
spk05: Thank you, Mark. We are now ready for our first question. While we're waiting for additional questions, I would like to remind you that today's call will be accessible on our website at ir.yourstatebank.com.
spk00: Thank you. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touchtone phone. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Our first question comes from Brian Martin with Jannie Montgomery. Please go ahead.
spk04: Hey, good morning, guys. Good morning, Brian.
spk01: Hi, Brian. Welcome.
spk04: Happy New Year. Well, just maybe if you could start... Just on kind of maybe just the mortgage outlook, I appreciate the comments, Mark, on just maybe the getting a little bit, you know, adding some new geography in the Indiana markets and just how we should be thinking about, you know, at least the kind of production levels and then, you know, the pricing, which was obviously, as Tony mentioned, very robust this year. Just how we should think about that as we go into the first half of this year.
spk01: Yeah, thanks, Brian. As we all know, mortgage has become increasingly important to our operation. As we've discussed before, that success certainly has led to some good earnings per share and net income, and we look to continue to drive those levels to a comparable level as 2020 had in 2021. We know we're going to have to add paychecks some additional regions and some additional MLOs to make all that happen, particularly if rates move on us. But we're expecting some stability in that arena, and we expect similar volume, but I know that our margins might not be as robust, Brian, as they were before. And I know Tony might have some perspective on our hedging process and how we think that's going to keep us to have a pretty robust $100, $150 million pipeline.
spk03: Yes. I think, Brian, you know, we had a fairly weak first quarter of 2020. You know, we look to be 30-ish plus percent from that quarter here in 2021. I would, you know, I would think we're on a fairly good pace through the first half of the year, and we'll see how things go. relative to that on a volume basis. Yeah, on pricing, yields were certainly at a premium throughout 2020. Our expectation is that yields will constrict a bit in 2021. I think a lot of banks that have looked at margin pressure have reached out and started to increase their exposure to the mortgage business. We know the competitive nature of people coming after our employees and high producers. So I don't think they're just going to walk away from that, and I think there's going to be some, potentially some stretch on price to maintain volume to manage that infrastructure, which I think will constrict yields and pricing a bit in 21.
spk04: Okay. But I mean, I guess given where they were, you know, if you look back to 19, Tony, versus even what you saw in the second half of this year, I mean, is it closer, I guess, is it higher in the first half of the year, and then it I guess when does it kind of maybe go back to or does it ever go back to kind of the levels we saw on the 19 on the premiums? I mean, they were closer to the maybe sub-3% type of levels versus where we're at today at north of 5 or at 5.
spk03: Yeah, I mean, you know, we've historically been kind of the, you know, excluding 2020, we've been from the 2.3 to kind of the 2.8 range fairly consistently going back 16, 17 to 19. I would think we're probably... trending towards that range but the first half I think is still going to be above fours based upon what I'm seeing right now and and we'll see how long that lasts but I would think the first half of the year probably fours and probably returns back to that 275 to three range for the second half of 21 would be my best guess as we sit today yeah okay no that's helpful and just remind me mark the the markets you intend to add staff in this year or you know I guess build out
spk04: You mentioned Northeast Indiana. Where are the expectations to be adding folks this year?
spk01: Well, clearly, as we've gone on record, Brian, that Columbus model that we built, certainly we think we can replicate. We've had a slower start than we anticipated in Indianapolis, but we finally caught stride of $50 million in this market. and we know that Northeast Indiana is rich with lots of lakes and lots of nice, expensive properties up around those lakes, and we're committed to getting into Northeast Indiana. We thought we had a strategy to lift a team out and build a team, but we're going to have to retool a little bit here. We've had a little of an aberration, so to speak, of who's going to lead that team, but we're committed to the market, and we like... the eastern side of Indiana and lower Michigan. And we're going to continue to push it along and find MLOs as well as a sport team to make that $600 million to $700 million happen.
spk04: Gotcha. Okay. Perfect. That's helpful. And then maybe just a little bit of thought, you know, on the loan growth outlook. I mean, given the liquidity in the market, just kind of how you're what the pipelines look like today or just kind of what your customers are, how you're expecting things to kind of unfold this year.
spk01: Yeah, sure. We've been accustomed, Brian, as we've said a number of times and as you've witnessed, we like that median level growth. We don't like to get out over our skis on loan growth. We like to be a median player in that world. We want to be a top decile player in asset quality as a result of that. But generally speaking, we know that in these times with real high sensitivity of the client's, With regard to interest rates and no GDP or low GDP, that we've got to be very competitive. And so through John's leadership, we've developed some fairly aggressive programs to hit some of our target markets with some very competitive interest rates, albeit with a little bit of duration risk. But, you know, our goal is to get back to that – middle to upper range, single digit growth in the lending arena. And John, I know our pipelines have been fairly robust of recent.
spk02: Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment. As Mark said, we've developed some programs. We've really begun thinking, Brian, as we enter 2021, as you said, the pie is not getting any bigger with limited GDP growth and liquidity in the market. So we've really focused on client acquisition from, frankly, other competitors and PPP has been a nice boost for us. We did a nice job running that program and obtained some good prospects through there in the first round. I anticipate doing that in the second round. In addition, the programs Mark mentioned, the pipeline, I would say, returned to a more robust level in the fourth quarter, and we're seeing that again here in the first quarter, up significantly from the second and third quarter, probably like most banks. But we're very optimistic just talking with some of the lenders about some of the things that we're working on, that's primarily coming from client acquisition of other financial institutions' business, but trying to make sure we get our share of any economic growth that's out there as well.
spk04: Okay. And, I mean, it's a headwind. The production and, you know, the pipelines are good. Just are the payoffs continuing to be a little bit elevated? And is that any trend you're seeing there as far as those slowing?
spk02: I do see it slowing. I think I said that last quarter. We continue to see. We saw in December – A borrower sells some properties to a REIT. And I think in the first quarter, particularly here in January and early into February, we're going to see just a couple more. But really, the pipeline of those, because they request those payouts so far in advance, we kind of know today that we expect that to slow here for the remainder of the first quarter and throughout 2021, as many of those companies have already taken advantage of those opportunities to sell real estate or their operation or whatever. So, no, I expect that to slow considerably here. later in the first quarter and the remainder of 2021. Gotcha.
spk04: Okay, that's helpful. And how about maybe just for Tony or somebody else, I guess, just on the margin outlook and just, you know, I guess how you're kind of thinking about that given the levels of liquidity and, you know, getting the loan growth to kind of deploy that or, you know, I guess would you look at doing some type of, you know, something with the proceeds if the loan growth isn't materializing and just kind of how to think about that.
spk03: Yeah, I think that's well put, and liquidity has certainly been significant this year, and our alternatives for that liquidity has been somewhat limited. I think we expect to do a decent level of PPP here in Phase 2. I think we've got some loan pipelines that we feel fairly good about. I think we've got kind of a window here that we're going to see what that looks like to to utilize that liquidity. And then if that doesn't come together as we expect, then I think we'll go into whatever investment market that we need to try to supplement margin a little bit. We've been extremely aggressive on the funding cost side. We've moved a lot of people out of high-cost deposits. We're going to continue to do that, but zero is fast approaching, so we understand we're limited on how much we can reduce costs and we've got to do more on the asset side of the balance sheet.
spk01: And Brian, just one comment. We know that the landscape out there is very competitive, which is why we've developed these low-rate buckets of money with the intent that margin might decrease, but we're always having that conversation that if the margin's going down, we know we have to incrementally add organic growth to replace that margin, all in the spirit of increasing total revenue. So ROA might go down, but net income and EPS and ROE should increase as a result of our approach to a client that is more sensitive to the low-rate environment.
spk04: Yeah, gotcha. And, Tony, just high level on kind of your thought on the margin. If this loan growth takes a little bit of time to kind of come together, I mean, kind of absent the PPP, you know, some acceleration there, I mean, the level you're at this quarter, you know, directionally, how do we think about, I mean, I guess, is it kind of flattish here? I guess it sounded like from the prepared remarks, there was some, like you said, there's not much room on the liability side, but there's still continued, it sounds like there's still some continued pressure on the asset side. So, I mean, as a margin percentage goes versus the margin dollars, a percentage should drift lower absent, you know, forgiveness here, or is that not the case?
spk03: You know, I think... I think generally our indication is we're going to be in kind of our fourth quarter range moving forward absent the moves and shakes of PPP. I think our core is going to be in kind of this 320 to 330 range for most of 2021. Mortgage volume is always a big factor in that because of the fees that we deliver. How much liquidity is going to go away? Is the consumer going to start to spend some of that money? And that's going to improve just by its very nature because we really don't have anything to do with that liquidity right now. And so there's a number of factors, I think, there. So I would think we're kind of at the bottom end, but we'll see how this first quarter goes. Gotcha.
spk04: Okay. And just the size of the balance sheet. with the PPP forgiveness? I mean, I guess there's, you know, I guess the forgiveness will just increase your liquidity further. Is that your expectation right now as this process begins?
spk03: Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we've taken, I don't know, 10 million or so that we've received to pay down of our original 83 million. You know, I would expect Those balances will be sub 40 million by the time we report here at Q1, absent what we do in phase two. You know, thus far, John, we've done, I don't know, 16 or 17 million of applications on the second part. So our expectation is it's going to be somewhere between 50 to potentially 75% of the volume we did in the first phase because of the different requirements. So absent PPP, I do think the cash and liquidity will trend down. and our hope is that we're going to put that in a lot of the loan categories. You know, we may look at not necessarily securitizing, but keeping a bit more of our production on our books, whether that be SBA or maybe some form of our residential real estate that we've traditionally sold, because I think in the current environment that using that liquidity is going to be a smarter play, maybe a little depressing on earnings in the short term, but long term a better play.
spk01: And, Brian, that said, just a follow-up comment. As Tony indicated and as John indicated, we've received 50% of our round one applications for forgiveness. We've only received 25% of the money. And so as we field round two requests, five days into it we have 144 requests and on an average amount of $119,000. So, you know, we're kind of back in. And, you know, with the government's commitment for a minimum of $2,500 per loan, we're in and we continue to expand not only with our clients but with prospects. And we'll have some good numbers in subsequent quarters here on the additional business we've received from at least round one of those 260 prospects that we brought in. So we're using it as a lever and we're turning lemons into lemonade on that thing.
spk04: Right. I got you. Okay. And then maybe this last one or two here, just the The reserve levels are kind of as high as they've been here, you know, given, you know, the ability to kind of put some aside for COVID. But with credit quality, you know, kind of holding up and, you know, I guess maybe just sounds as though the outlook continues to be pretty strong on credit. You know, the deferral trends were positive. You know, how do we think about maybe, you know, I guess the post-COVID, you know, economy reopening type of reserve? I mean, is there – Should that trend a bit lower as you get more visibility? Is that fair?
spk02: Yeah, I think, Brian, well, first of all, you know, a lot of the money we've put in reserve has really been a function of PPP revenue. So we made the strategic decision to set a lot of that money aside for a what-if scenario. As you said, our asset quality has really hung in there nicely, and a fair amount of that is a function of liquidity that the government has pumped in, whether it's PPP or stimulus. And you can see that in our forbearance numbers. But Yeah, we have, I think, I counted five credits that we've adversely rated due to COVID issues, various levels early in the process, special mention and a little substandard. But we're just keeping a close eye on them. But we feel pretty good about many of them, if not all of them. And I think, you know, it's self-gratiating to say, but our strict underwriting standards and having good secondary and tertiary sources of repayment have really led us to a good place here that many of those borrowers were prepared, particularly when we talk about hotels, some pretty good borrowers, pretty good guarantors backing those things that have enabled them to weather the storms, so to speak. And with a little bit of luck and a return to normalcy, if there is such a thing in the second or third quarter of this year, a lot of our borrowers are starting to see light at the end of the tunnel and have weathered the storm, so to speak, and we're starting to see some returns to some pre-COVID levels. For example, in our hotels, we're starting to see some ADRs return to levels back near break, even if not a little bit better, even in the middle of COVID. So with some return, we're optimistic that we're going to be over-reserved later in the year.
spk04: Okay. And that one, I guess the thought would be if all that plays out, your hope would be to grow into that reserve with loan growth as opposed to seeing, you know, a negative provision, for instance, or reserves. I mean, that's the, you know, at least the way to think about it today. It could change, certainly.
spk02: Yeah, that's our preferred method and thought process because obviously that yields some positive things in terms of growth and income.
spk01: And, Brian, just, you know, last parting comment on, you know, the loan growth is, you know, the variable is, is how hard we need to work. You know, it's not that we make the same number of calls and find credits that don't have the metrics we want. Uh, we've conveyed that to our staff. We've got to work twice as hard to get the same volume that we've done in prior years, uh, absent this COVID thing. So, uh, the variable is the number of calls and how we get it quality, uh, remains constant.
spk04: Gotcha. Okay. And then just the last one or two, the, yeah, I guess from a capital deployment standpoint, you know, the buyback still intact, uh, Man, I guess just kind of your expectations on that and just what, you know, from an M&A perspective, you know, I guess how is activity in that area right now? I mean, I guess has there been more dialogue given, you know, the conditions in the market or, you know, been pretty steady?
spk03: Well, I'll talk a little bit about capital and then, you know, Mark can fill it in on the M&A side. I think... You know, yeah, we've been, I think, fairly aggressive in the buyback. You know, we probably spent, of our $15 million in earnings, we spent about $10 million of it between dividend and buyback in 2020. You know, we certainly would have preferred to grow $150 million on the loan side, but, you know, that wasn't there. So I think that was the best use of our earned capital. I think we continue to think we've got plenty of liquidity and plenty of capital to manage the type of M&A transactions that we think are appropriate for us at this time. And I think we're going to continue along the lines of the buyback and where we are, and we'll see how that goes.
spk06: Go ahead, Mark.
spk01: Well, just to follow up, Brian, with regard to the M&A, might as well get that on the table here. You know, we continue to poke around the entire landscape, you know, absent organic growth. We think that organic growth is where we deliver, you know, immense amount of value. But M&A is certainly on the platform. We continue to talk to some opportunities. You know, we have the bench. You know, we have the managerial bench. We've got products and we've got the business line. We're just working to make sure that we control what we can, which would be quarterly earnings, and hopefully it will give us a stronger currency someday.
spk04: Right. Yeah. And I guess just as far as going back to the buyback, Tony, the remaining authorization out there, what you haven't completed yet, can you remind me of what that was?
spk03: Yeah. We originally approved $500,000, and we've got $210,000 roughly left on that. And I would think as we go through that, we're doing, I don't know, between $20,000 to $35,000 a month based upon volume and availability. And when that runs out, likely mid-2021, I think we'll look at that again and see what the opportunities lie going forward.
spk04: Gotcha. Okay. Perfect. And then, look, the expenses were a bright spot this quarter, along with some of the other items you guys have called out. But just your thought, I mean, given the environment we're in, and I guess kind of just expectations on expenses as you think about 2021.
spk01: Just at a high level, Ryan, we know that margins are going to continue to compress, and we certainly don't want to allow the robust mortgage business line to overshadow prudent operations in the other arenas. So we're continuing to look at all of the travel arrangements and meetings and offices, and can we run them with drive-ins? Do we need as many people? We're continuing to look at operating in new and different ways and a new world order. So we've got a keen eye on those because we know the job to be done is going to get more difficult. That said, a broader balance sheet, albeit with thinner margins, is where we're headed with the competitiveness in the landscape to find more scale. And we think we can continue to push profits higher by margins thinning, but a bigger balance sheet.
spk04: Gotcha. Okay. And then just the classified and criticized level, you talked a little bit about them earlier. Was there any notable change this quarter? It didn't sound like there was a whole lot of movement, you know, one way or the other on those areas.
spk02: Well, we're maintaining a solid criticized and classified level. We did have some movement, like I said, in about, well, five credits total, but four in the quarter period. And, again, many of those are just some preemptive kind of watch sort of things, special mention and one or two substandard. But just keeping a close eye on a couple credits. All of those credits are performing and doing very well. We haven't had any delinquency or increases there. Just, again, just more to keep an eye and see how the 2020 financial shape up and how they hit the ground running here in the first and second quarter of 2021.
spk03: And our expectation, Brian, is we've got six or seven commercial credits on forbearance as we sit here today. We really expect all but one of them will come off in Q1 based upon their current expectations and where we are. So worst-case scenario, as we sit here today, we potentially have one still on forbearance on the commercial side, a hotel, at the end of Q1. So we think it's going to continue to improve.
spk04: Okay, perfect. And Tony, that part about the expenses, you know, I guess if high level, if your expectation is that the mortgage volume is, you know, your hope is that it's similar to what it was this year, you know, albeit with, you know, a little bit different pricing, you know, would the expectation be that, you know, expenses from kind of the, you know, I'll just say the second half run rate, I mean, kind of all in with Eden, you know, this type of level we saw in the second half of the year is how we should think about you know, going into, you know, next year? I think this quarter is what, 10 and a half million or call it 10 to 11 million. Is that 11 million-ish? Is that kind of the run rate to think about as we go into next year given, you know, all the variables?
spk03: Yeah, I think in general, you know, I would have one caveat there. I mean, we've certainly put forward in our calls and our conversations that we're making some some investment in technology in 2021, which will come on board, you know, a new commercial loan origination system in the Encino platform. We're moving, you know, CIP to Salesforce for all of our sales teams. So we have some higher level of kind of year one as we transition, which will be in 2021 on some technology spend that will, you know, in my mind, inflate expense a bit. And I can get more color out on that. But, you know, generally, yeah, mortgage is going to be the variable on how expenses are going to flow quarter by quarter.
spk04: Okay. No, that's helpful, Tony. I appreciate that. So, okay. Well, thanks for taking the questions, guys. I appreciate it. Nice quarter and nice year. Yep. Thanks, Brian. Take care, Brian.
spk00: Again, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star then one at this time. Showing no further questions, this concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mark Klein for any closing remarks.
spk01: Once again, thanks, everyone, for joining us. We're pleased with our year. We're looking forward to 2021, albeit the challenges that we know we're going to face. But we'll look forward to joining up with you again in April as we report on our first quarter of 2021. Thanks again, and goodbye. Take care.
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